Enjoy incursions but they do get stale.
More dynamic vg's with more variable content so people don't min max as much. Maybe occasionally they will be long range fit and be far away, or use some e-war.

The brick thing is sort of silly but it really hurts casual players. I can only play 2h or so a night and if most of that is spent making 20 or so jumps to the next location I don;t actually get to play much. So logging in to do incursions does not happen.

In my 2h play period i want to get on and shoot stuff. Incursions lasting only 1 play period mean moving each day.

Incursions should stay in one place longer...that said incursions do not escilate....
Never seen a high sec incursion with penalties....for high sec the penalty system should be a lot harder to push.

Don't worry about the incursion income. 4/10 plexes in high sec drop now the Pithum C-Type Invul. Fields. Their stats are idenical to Kaikka's invul. field and they go for around 1.5 bil atm.

Incursions were big part of my EVE's social life. Got to know great group of ppl i ran them with. Now i lost that.
As i mentioned B4 i used incursions to fuel my PVP.
Since this income is gone i had to make tough decision - deactivate 2 of my 3 accounts. (CCP will love that)
Ill give it couple more days/weeks and if nothing changes im back to Starcraft 2.

If CCP doesn't care - I don't care

Incursions were big part of my EVE's social life. Got to know great group of ppl i ran them with. Now i lost that.
As i mentioned B4 i used incursions to fuel my PVP.
Since this income is gone i had to make tough decision - deactivate 2 of my 3 accounts. (CCP will love that)
Ill give it couple more days/weeks and if nothing changes im back to Starcraft 2.

If CCP doesn't care - I don't care

Please have a look at this screenshot. What you see there is the development of the plex price in the last year in Jita, the main market for this fine item of bittervet prolongment. Incursions where introduced about a year ago, you can see the price on the left. We are now at the price on the right.

It is right now fairly easy for you to plex your 3 account with running up to 2 hours of Incursions per day. Lets say you make 100M per day, every day (a fairly high picture frankly). You would earn 3B ISK per 30 days. If we take the growth of plex prices for the last 2 month and keep going for another 2 years (pretty unlikely, I know) you would have to pay 5BISK per month to keep your 3 accounts active.

I'm a griefer by heard. I really care about your feelings and I therefore beg you to stay with us. I really want to see your tears when you realise that the collected greed for faction shinies of your "social life" is forcing you out of the game.

Quite frankly, if you call farming the same NPCs (exactly the same NPCs) over and over again your "social life" you may want to look for professional help. I really mean it because I, as a griefer, recognise and care about other players feelings.

You know PI also came out at about the same time as incursions. Hum which do I think is causing inflation, a couple people running incursions or the removal of a massive isk sink (NPC POS fuels).

You know PI also came out at about the same time as incursions. Hum which do I think is causing inflation, a couple people running incursions or the removal of a massive isk sink (NPC POS fuels).

Incursions were big part of my EVE's social life. Got to know great group of ppl i ran them with. Now i lost that.
As i mentioned B4 i used incursions to fuel my PVP.
Since this income is gone i had to make tough decision - deactivate 2 of my 3 accounts. (CCP will love that)
Ill give it couple more days/weeks and if nothing changes im back to Starcraft 2.

If CCP doesn't care - I don't care

Incursions were big part of my EVE's social life. Got to know great group of ppl i ran them with. Now i lost that.
As i mentioned B4 i used incursions to fuel my PVP.
Since this income is gone i had to make tough decision - deactivate 2 of my 3 accounts. (CCP will love that)
Ill give it couple more days/weeks and if nothing changes im back to Starcraft 2.

If CCP doesn't care - I don't care

PI does not generate ISK nor does it do so in highsec. I have 15 planets myself and they are good ISK - in lowsec. That's where highsec incursion runners wont go. The money that I earn with my 15 planets has to come from somewhere. Moon goo can't be it because it's moon goo and not ISK. Sanctums are less ISK then Incursions and there are a lot fewer of them then there used to be. Missions provide a nice ISK sink with the LP shop and they where not changed in the last year.

I'm terribly sorry but the only place where that ISK can come from are Incursions. It would be nice when CCP would step up and provide some hard numbers but for some strange reason I doubt they will do that any time soon, because it would put them between a rock and a hard place. The rock are the stressed out Incursion runners and the hard place are the "griefers".

Ohh, and PI did not came at the same time then Incursions. It came with Dominion.

Dominion Release date: December 1st, 2009.
Incursion 18 January 2011: New character creator, and Sansha's Nation incursion content (incursions actually start on 25 January)

source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Eve_Expansions

I do not claim to be an expert in math but you seam to be more then a year off target.

Thanks for the post. It was good to hear a friendly voice on the forums, but I really have got to get back to the incursion-griefing channel. We're plotting our next big move!! ^0^

I heared goonies are asking for tornado pilots. Is this related?

You pretty much sum up here everything that is wrong with the general mentality of the highsec carebear population. This is the same tears and whining that has lead to so many bad/unnecessary nerfs and buffs throughout the history of eve. Its like a plague/virus this self created feeling of entitlement that seems to make you think that everything should be geared for your play style and made as easy for you as possible.

So far there is only pure speculation of a nerf and you are already threatening to quit. The income from incursions hasn't gone anywhere nor is it going to. It may be reduced but that is it, just reduced. Rather than adapt your income source or wait to see what is going to be suggested as a balance you head straight to the forums to whine and threaten to cut accounts.

Your so engrossed in how you play the game and how it should cater for you that you can't take the time to look at the overall picture and actually assess what is right for the good off the game. I've had many of my income streams dry up or change throughout my time playing eve, but each time I just adapt and find a new way to play.


(if its the incursions being cut short by brick squad that you are whining about the same argument about getting over it and adapting still applys)

make all on vanguard sites pay more
make all sites take a bit longer
more sites per constellation
3 day minimum for incursions

Abusing a broken system gj

i don't dont see why i should change my EVE routine because bunch of bankrupt pubies cant have their way

ATT'N: All carebears in this thread, and in general.

There is more to EVE than grinding ISK, especially when you're only doing it...so you can make even more ISK more quickly.

That is all.

Despite an army of suicide blackbirds that where not effective because of the constant whining about suicide ganks and the resulting CONCORD spawn timer nerf,

The next incursion was taken down early tonight. After successfully blueballing the enemy by Darius III in his leroy logistic, we went in and took the mom down by the smallest fleet ever to attempt so. Despite an army of suicide blackbirds that where not effective because of the constant whining about suicide ganks and the resulting CONCORD spawn timer nerf, we took only 3 losses in a fight of fame and glory against the Sansha-Invaders that raged on for more then halve an hour. Nobody ever finished the mom site with less then 30 players because the only thing highsec carebears are interested in is ISK.

The glory is with the griefers as it should be.

... You want to give Incursions (esp VGs) a Buff?

The next incursion was taken down early tonight. After successfully blueballing the enemy by Darius III in his leroy logistic, we went in and took the mom down by the smallest fleet ever to attempt so. Despite an army of suicide blackbirds that where not effective because of the constant whining about suicide ganks and the resulting CONCORD spawn timer nerf, we took only 3 losses in a fight of fame and glory against the Sansha-Invaders that raged on for more then halve an hour. Nobody ever finished the mom site with less then 30 players because the only thing highsec carebears are interested in is ISK.

The glory is with the griefers as it should be.

From what I can see, they don't need nerfing or buffing per se, it's the loophole in the mechanic/s that allows the easier ones to be farmed 23.5/7 that needs closing.

If you consider that a nerf, then well...

I lose anything between 2-10 maelstroms every month, depending on how many fights we have, and how competent the enemy is. That's not a risk, that's a certainty.

PI does not generate ISK nor does it do so in highsec. I have 15 planets myself and they are good ISK - in lowsec. That's where highsec incursion runners wont go. The money that I earn with my 15 planets has to come from somewhere. Moon goo can't be it because it's moon goo and not ISK. Sanctums are less ISK then Incursions and there are a lot fewer of them then there used to be. Missions provide a nice ISK sink with the LP shop and they where not changed in the last year.

I'm terribly sorry but the only place where that ISK can come from are Incursions. It would be nice when CCP would step up and provide some hard numbers but for some strange reason I doubt they will do that any time soon, because it would put them between a rock and a hard place. The rock are the stressed out Incursion runners and the hard place are the "griefers".

Ohh, and PI did not came at the same time then Incursions. It came with Dominion.

Dominion Release date: December 1st, 2009.
Incursion 18 January 2011: New character creator, and Sansha's Nation incursion content (incursions actually start on 25 January)

source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Eve_Expansions

I do not claim to be an expert in math but you seam to be more then a year off target.