Originally by: Paper

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Rock's fine, nerf Scissors

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Originally by: MaxSkywalker

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Great fun guys, nice epic end of some weeks weeks planing :)

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Originally by: Jags

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****in idiot

And you can quote me on this

IF YOU ****S HAD GOT YER ARSE UP TO BRANCH YOU WOULDNT HAVE LOST YOUR MS.

Congrats on the kill , would love to know how he managed to lose it

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Originally by: ZaKma

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This is why you always have a backup cyno online and are ganged with it. You see your cap go down, right click -> jump. Not that hard?

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Originally by: Elliott Manchild

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Edited by: Elliott Manchild on 23/09/2007 19:31:22
Thank-you so much :) And grats on first MS kill in low sec.

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Originally by: Jags

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****in idiot

And you can quote me on this

IF YOU ****S HAD GOT YER ARSE UP TO BRANCH YOU WOULDNT HAVE LOST YOUR MS.

Congrats on the kill , would love to know how he managed to lose it

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Originally by: Jags

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****in idiot

And you can quote me on this

IF YOU ****S HAD GOT YER ARSE UP TO BRANCH YOU WOULDNT HAVE LOST YOUR MS.

Congrats on the kill , would love to know how he managed to lose it

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Originally by: Jags

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****in idiot

And you can quote me on this

IF YOU ****S HAD GOT YER ARSE UP TO BRANCH YOU WOULDNT HAVE LOST YOUR MS.

Congrats on the kill , would love to know how he managed to lose it

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Originally by: Perfecht

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Edited by: Perfecht on 23/09/2007 19:44:08
Wow. A little backstory on this specific Nyx.

It didn't even belong to The End.

It was Mr. Xtreme's, leader of UXM, one of the former leaders of Terror in The System.

If none of you remember, this was the same Nyx Mr. X used to gate camp in Aunenen with for a while (because he was too afraid to take it to 0.0).

The greatest thing about this specific mothership is that neither Mr. X, nor The End (Ender Hawkins) deserved it to begin with. They con'd it out of Lord 2evil (another former Terror in The System leadership) who has been trying to get it back/see it destroyed since that happened.

This just proves that neither of those "geniuses", Ender or Mr. X deserved the ship to begin with and now they have nothing but bad reputations left..Especially since Ender (The End) was just kicked out of Tri.

The End. lol

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Originally by: Perfecht

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Edited by: Perfecht on 23/09/2007 19:44:08
Wow. A little backstory on this specific Nyx.

It didn't even belong to The End.

It was Mr. Xtreme's, leader of UXM, one of the former leaders of Terror in The System.

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Originally by: The End

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Arguing that every ship must be killable is just stupid, because any ship in the game, if piloted by an experienced person, can/will always get away in low-sec if they so choose.

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Originally by: Dramaticus

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Originally by: ZaKma

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This is why you always have a backup cyno online and are ganged with it. You see your cap go down, right click -> jump. Not that hard?

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This is M. Pire we're talking about.

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Originally by: Jenna Shame

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Originally by: Dramaticus

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Originally by: ZaKma

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This is why you always have a backup cyno online and are ganged with it. You see your cap go down, right click -> jump. Not that hard?

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This is M. Pire we're talking about.

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Kettle meet pot.

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Originally by: Velios

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This is Xtremely upsetting news!

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Originally by: SirMolle

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Excuse me? BoB slave corp?

k, if thats what you wish, you just got your wish granted. Forever.

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Originally by: Ventosus

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Edited by: Ventosus on 23/09/2007 20:04:37
Edited by: Ventosus on 23/09/2007 19:29:56
Confirmed

Today @1800 we started to form up a gang to kill a mothership in Empire.

Our gang of apx 20 pilots (half bs, half capital + supercaps) went in position.

Enemy NyX sat at pos, and we watched him for 30 mins. When the pilot (The End) went to the gate, we jumped in 6 bs and one neutral bs which sat in station. when bs gang arrived, we cynoed in our cap fleet.

Target was bumped and killed in a few minutes. (apx 3 mins i think i think)

Loot and fraps will be released tomorrow.

BOOM

Edit: A hell of a long time planning was put into this. All corp went into to this operation. Im happy it went well.

Ventosus
x13

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Originally by: Fred0

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TBH, this ms loss means nothing to m.pire. This is just one ****** that hasn't known how to play eve for years but that's been buffing the m.pire killboards the last couple of weeks.

M.Pire has quite a few standup pilots. Why they choose to be associated with these guys I don't know. :(

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Originally by: Angor

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I'd just like to know was this an afk kill as he was bumped away from pos, wondered if he'd just gone afk at the edge of the bubble.

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Originally by: Angor

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I'd just like to know was this an afk kill as he was bumped away from pos, wondered if he'd just gone afk at the edge of the bubble.

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Originally by: Jags

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Originally by: Fred0

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TBH, this ms loss means nothing to m.pire. This is just one ****** that hasn't known how to play eve for years but that's been buffing the m.pire killboards the last couple of weeks.

M.Pire has quite a few standup pilots. Why they choose to be associated with these guys I don't know. :(

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100% agree Fred0

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i guess the multitasking (killing + cynoing out) skillbook in your cargo was one you were going to train soon?

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Originally by: eXtas

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didnt Ginger get banned, maybe u thinking of miz

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Originally by: Kieranda

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his K:D ratio is impressive :shock:

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Originally by: consider telos

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..then we had a fight and he was so dead and
then I like became champion of eve and then
ccp gave me a medal and a t-shirt and asked
me to go out with him on a date to mcD'

Originally by: ZaKma

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This is why you always have a backup cyno online and are ganged with it. You see your cap go down, right click -> jump. Not that hard?

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Originally by: Xenny Lee

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Edited by: Xenny Lee on 23/09/2007 20:46:33

Originally by: ZaKma

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This is why you always have a backup cyno online and are ganged with it. You see your cap go down, right click -> jump. Not that hard?

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To be fair weve been sandboxing doing the same for a little while, and yes we did come to the conclusion that if the pilot was extremely paranoid it would be impossible but when you sit on a gate for 4-6 hrs + less you take shifts you dont always have your hand directly on the jump out button, but like ganking freighters in high sec, theirs an exact number of neuts you need to fire on someone at the same time to preety much instantly drop him below 70% cap once thats done the key is well stopping him from warping off and getting suffiently big and powerful ships to bring down a ship that still has a ton of fighters and cant be damped.

The last thing that remains is ... how badly do you want to kill him :P

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Originally by: Ventosus

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Edited by: Ventosus on 23/09/2007 20:27:30


Confirmed

Today @1800 we started to form up a gang to kill a mothership in Empire.

Our gang of apx 20 pilots (half bs, half capital + supercaps) went in position.

Enemy NyX sat at pos, and we watched him for 30 mins. When the pilot (The End) went to the gate, we jumped in 6 bs and one neutral bs which sat in station. when bs gang arrived, we cynoed in our cap fleet.

Target was bumped and killed in a few minutes. (apx 3 mins i think i think)

Loot and fraps will be released tomorrow.

BOOM

Edit: A hell of a long time planning was put into this. All corp went into to this operation. Im happy it went well.

Ventosus
x13

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Originally by: Radioactive Babe

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Now we know he was a muppet, but I reckon the same could be done on some of those Tri MS's ... they just told us that they dont do emergency cynos

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Originally by: Radioactive Babe

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Now we know he was a muppet, but I reckon the same could be done on some of those Tri MS's ... they just told us that they dont do emergency cynos

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Originally by: MassonA

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Originally by: Radioactive Babe

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Now we know he was a muppet, but I reckon the same could be done on some of those Tri MS's ... they just told us that they dont do emergency cynos

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Unless I can't read, the lowsec-MS were the TRI MS until they left, obviously moving onto bigger and better things

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Originally by: Bei Bao

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Originally by: Radioactive Babe

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Now we know he was a muppet, but I reckon the same could be done on some of those Tri MS's ... they just told us that they dont do emergency cynos

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Both xtreme and Ender are ex-TRI, they were asked to stop camping Aunenen, they didnt want to and its one of several reasons they left.

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Originally by: xBlood

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Yep. Received too much flak from several TRI members who thought them camping low sec was a waste, so they left, joined M.Pire, and proceeded to do nothing once again before losing a ms

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Originally by: Radioactive Babe

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Originally by: Bei Bao

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Originally by: Radioactive Babe

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Now we know he was a muppet, but I reckon the same could be done on some of those Tri MS's ... they just told us that they dont do emergency cynos

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Both xtreme and Ender are ex-TRI, they were asked to stop camping Aunenen, they didnt want to and its one of several reasons they left.

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Oopa apologies

Grats on getting rid of the scum

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Originally by: Baun

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Cool and GJ. A more detailed report would probably be appreciate by everyone though.

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Originally by: Six Strangelove

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X13 wins EVE today.

GF ;)

Times thirteen.

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Originally by: Myz Toyou

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Was it Honor tanked ?

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Originally by: Plaetean

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Originally by: Six Strangelove

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X13 wins EVE today.

GF ;)

Times thirteen.

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Just noticed, 13 parties on the killmail

Was that intentional, or coincidence?

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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i have untrashed this bug report and i will take care of it.

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Originally by: Ex0dus

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One word: Karma.

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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Love the new need for speed initiative.

Pilots involved in a fleet battle can post on the forum and get a reply about wha

Originally by: BuckStrider

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Originally by: Ex0dus

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One word: Karma.

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/signed

Guess all that Whining and Crying of "You can't kill a MOM in Low-Sec!" just got pwned.

x13...All props to you....You PROVED to everyone that with excellent leadership, planning and organization...Even the most remote probability becomes reality.

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Arguing that every ship must be killable is just stupid, because any ship in the game, if piloted by an experienced person, can/will always get away in low-sec if they so choose.

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Originally by: Evilempire1

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good, im pentitioning you for slandering.

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Originally by: BuckStrider

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Originally by: Ex0dus

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One word: Karma.

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/signed

Guess all that Whining and Crying of "You can't kill a MOM in Low-Sec!" just got pwned.

x13...All props to you....You PROVED to everyone that with excellent leadership, planning and organization...Even the most remote probability becomes reality.

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Id say it was more like 95% mom pilot screwing up and 5% x13 preparations, but whatever :)

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Originally by: zilllii

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that MS was quite a northern MS and not just a M.Pire one i heard

paid for by Tri
built by Morsus Mihi
lost by M.Pire

if you think about it then its pretty funny

except that The End isnt so happy atm i guess.

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Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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He died because he wasn't honourtanked.

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Originally by: Franga

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Edited by: Franga on 24/09/2007 04:43:08

Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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He died because he wasn't honourtanked.

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Edit: Why on earth has it blotted out the 's-h-i-z' of "Viper ****zle"? Sensitive little censoring program running there.

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.

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Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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Originally by: Franga

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Edited by: Franga on 24/09/2007 04:43:08

Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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He died because he wasn't honourtanked.

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Edit: Why on earth has it blotted out the 's-h-i-z' of "Viper ****zle"? Sensitive little censoring program running there.

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I'm too awesome for these forums.

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Originally by: Steve Holt

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To the people saying enders messed up and x13 was there to take advantage, seriously X13 did there research i bet, they knew he would be most vulnerable after his first warp to gate, they waited for him to get into position and they pounced, probably before he got his alt logged in for cyno and everything, Gratz guys on a well thought out and well played plan.

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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i have untrashed this bug report and i will take care of it.

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"Arguing that every ship must be killable is just stupid, because any ship in the game, if piloted by an experienced person, can/will always get away in low-sec if they so choose."
-The End (9.17.07)

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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Good kill bears.

Serious though wtf was the pilot doing? Was he not watching local? Did he not have cyno geny alts ready (I keep 2 logged on and in gang at all times). Shame on you noob.

Anyway at least it has now proven what I have said all along, MS's CAN be taken down in low sec. So you jelous lil bears can take your cries for the nerfbat and shove em. Grow a pair, get some skills and follow x13's example.

GG guys.

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Originally by: gordon cain

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Id say it was more like 95% mom pilot screwing up and 5% x13 preparations, but whatever :)

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Just keep telling yourself that.

G.

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To the people saying enders messed up and x13 was there to take advantage, seriously X13 did there research i bet, they knew he would be most vulnerable after his first warp to gate, they waited for him to get into position and they pounced, probably before he got his alt logged in for cyno and everything, Gratz guys on a well thought out and well played plan.

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Originally by: Heckelgruber

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Congratulations on a truly immense kill. I think it's really good for the game that some guys went and achieved something that people were saying isn't possible rather than complaining on the forums and calling for the game to be adapted to how they want to play.

It's one of the really great things about EVE that cunning players can push the boundaries of tactics and that thought and planning can put you ahead of skillpoints and money. Well played.

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Originally by: ZaKma

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Well, if I was flying a 20b+ ship I'd be damn paranoid. Especially if local suddenly rises by 5+ on my gate. They might be able to get him bellow 70% instantly, however with a good lowsec fit he'd use injectors and less tank stuff and more cap stuff so he'd probably get past 70% and jump (neut cycle time = 24 seconds, plenty of time). Also I'd have a few friends nearby in full cap transfer guardian setups as backup.

Not saying it's impossible, but with a pilot that knows what he's doing and is fit properly for lowsec camping.. it's extremely difficult.

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 24/09/2007 10:18:43

Originally by: gordon cain

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Id say it was more like 95% mom pilot screwing up and 5% x13 preparations, but whatever :)

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Just keep telling yourself that.

G.

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Prove me wrong by killing another one? :)

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To the people saying enders messed up and x13 was there to take advantage, seriously X13 did there research i bet, they knew he would be most vulnerable after his first warp to gate, they waited for him to get into position and they pounced, probably before he got his alt logged in for cyno and everything, Gratz guys on a well thought out and well played plan.

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Um isnt forgetting to log on cyno alt before acting a pilot error?
Neways who cares - one lame gatecamper less.

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Originally by: zykerx

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gratz X13, kill them all

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Originally by: Revnant

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I'll ask you this directly as you seem to have a view counter to mine but probably know a lot more than I do about the subject. If they jumped in the neut BS's while he was in warp, zapped him down to below cyno capable cap as soon as he was targetable (how long can it possibly take to taget something that big? o.O) and then bumped him with high mass ships continuously. How could he have escaped? Even if he was perma running a cyno alt he's only got the time in warp to make the call to try and spam the cyno out button after he reaches the gate surely?

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Originally by: Heckelgruber

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Congratulations on a truly immense kill. I think it's really good for the game that some guys went and achieved something that people were saying isn't possible rather than complaining on the forums and calling for the game to be adapted to how they want to play.

It's one of the really great things about EVE that cunning players can push the boundaries of tactics and that thought and planning can put you ahead of skillpoints and money. Well played.

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Originally by: Revnant

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I'll ask you this directly as you seem to have a view counter to mine but probably know a lot more than I do about the subject. If they jumped in the neut BS's while he was in warp, zapped him down to below cyno capable cap as soon as he was targetable (how long can it possibly take to taget something that big? o.O) and then bumped him with high mass ships continuously. How could he have escaped? Even if he was perma running a cyno alt he's only got the time in warp to make the call to try and spam the cyno out button after he reaches the gate surely?

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He can cyno before they manage to even lock. Yes its THAT fast. And with module lag lock+activate module is slower than only cynoing out.

But if he didnt cyno out, well... he died :) Ofc he could have tried using alt/friend to double web him so he can insta-warp (same as freighters), but this is a bit bump-direction dependant.

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Originally by: Alias11

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Originally by: Heckelgruber

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Congratulations on a truly immense kill. I think it's really good for the game that some guys went and achieved something that people were saying isn't possible rather than complaining on the forums and calling for the game to be adapted to how they want to play.

It's one of the really great things about EVE that cunning players can push the boundaries of tactics and that thought and planning can put you ahead of skillpoints and money. Well played.

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That's cute, you're acting like this was possible without The End having a terrible case of water on the brain

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Originally by: Alias11

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Originally by: Heckelgruber

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Congratulations on a truly immense kill. I think it's really good for the game that some guys went and achieved something that people were saying isn't possible rather than complaining on the forums and calling for the game to be adapted to how they want to play.

It's one of the really great things about EVE that cunning players can push the boundaries of tactics and that thought and planning can put you ahead of skillpoints and money. Well played.

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That's cute, you're acting like this was possible without The End having a terrible case of water on the brain

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Typical goon responce.

If it cannot be done with a uber blob or a nerf or if it takes planning and precision timing they call it luck.

Crawl back under your rock or behind your noob ships or at least try to show some respect to ppl who play the game well to get good kills instead of breaking the game by spamming noob ships and shuttles.

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Originally by: Ventosus

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Edited by: Ventosus on 24/09/2007 11:34:05
due to speculations, as stated ealier, i will post a full detailed report later today.

Many of the speculations are not correct. However. Also keep in mind, that we only had a limited number of ships engaging him at first. Everyone talks about him not running off. I think he actually choosed to fight, until he realised we drained his cap.

Then it was to late.

If you choose to fight and win, you are a hero, if you loose, forum will kill you.

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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Good kill bears.

Serious though wtf was the pilot doing? Was he not watching local? Did he not have cyno geny alts ready (I keep 2 logged on and in gang at all times). Shame on you noob.

Anyway at least it has now proven what I have said all along, MS's CAN be taken down in low sec. So you jelous lil bears can take your cries for the nerfbat and shove em. Grow a pair, get some skills and follow x13's example.

GG guys.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: Alias11

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Originally by: Heckelgruber

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Congratulations on a truly immense kill. I think it's really good for the game that some guys went and achieved something that people were saying isn't possible rather than complaining on the forums and calling for the game to be adapted to how they want to play.

It's one of the really great things about EVE that cunning players can push the boundaries of tactics and that thought and planning can put you ahead of skillpoints and money. Well played.

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That's cute, you're acting like this was possible without The End having a terrible case of water on the brain

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Typical goon responce.

If it cannot be done with a uber blob or a nerf or if it takes planning and precision timing they call it luck.

Crawl back under your rock or behind your noob ships or at least try to show some respect to ppl who play the game well to get good kills instead of breaking the game by spamming noob ships and shuttles.

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Originally by: Swamp Ziro

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Part of it was due to End not preparing a cyno in time.

Another part of it tho was because they kept him bumped, something Outbreak failed to do vs Hera if you remember.

So no, it was mostly skill.

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Originally by: Alias11

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That's cute, you're acting like this was possible without The End having a terrible case of water on the brain

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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It was proly due to your lack of ships that made him stick around and fight instead of running. So if using a small ammount of ships as bait to get his cap down and then calling in bumpers and high dmg boys to pop him was the idea then it was a very good plan.

gratz.

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I see 5 BSs on the killmail although I think someone said there were more ships and the carriers could have packed neuts too (supposedly the caps jumped in later though).

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Killmail was truncated. Your math is correct, but number of ships is incorrect. Timing and math behind it will be revealed later today.

...............
I will win Eve

Originally by: Lazuran

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Originally by: ZaKma

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Well, if I was flying a 20b+ ship I'd be damn paranoid. Especially if local suddenly rises by 5+ on my gate. They might be able to get him bellow 70% instantly, however with a good lowsec fit he'd use injectors and less tank stuff and more cap stuff so he'd probably get past 70% and jump (neut cycle time = 24 seconds, plenty of time). Also I'd have a few friends nearby in full cap transfer guardian setups as backup.

Not saying it's impossible, but with a pilot that knows what he's doing and is fit properly for lowsec camping.. it's extremely difficult.

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If you were flying a 20b+ ship, chances are that we'd already have laughed over your loss in here, I suppose. If you would really fit cap boosters, that is (how many would you fit to keep up with 6+ neutralizing BS, eh?).

Anyway, the way x13 planned and executed this, it would have taken a lot of luck or a special fitting just for this occasion to escape. Everyone who is flaming the MS pilot is obviously too stupid to understand this.

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Originally by: Ventosus

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Killmail was truncated. Your math is correct, but number of ships is incorrect. Timing and math behind it will be revealed later today.

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Originally by: ZaKma

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The cap boosters would give you enough of a boost to get past 70% and jump (with the number of BS x13 had).

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Originally by: Heckelgruber

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Originally by: Alias11

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That's cute, you're acting like this was possible without The End having a terrible case of water on the brain

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Let's be honest - I don't think we know enough about the exact circumstances of the kill (I don't at any rate) to know how much of what happened is due to perfect planning/execution and how much is a sheer indictment of The End's intellect.

The kindest theory about what happened to The End would have to be that he was dropped to < 70% as he came out of warp. This theory would be that he had very little time to save his ship by jumping and he made the wrong decision under pressure. I think this is unlikely because:

A Nyx with top cap skills has 84375 cap at 100%. To remove 30% of his cap to stop him from jumping would mean taking away about 25300 (assuming The End had no Semi Mem Cell rigs). A TII Neut neuts 600 cap/cycle, so to do this in one coordinated volley would take about 42 neuts, probably eight battleships. I see 5 BSs on the killmail although I think someone said there were more ships and the carriers could have packed neuts too (supposedly the caps jumped in later though).

This is speculative but it's my guess that The End *did* have a bit longer to decide whether to leave or not, so some hubris (or water on the brain) may have contributed to his demise.

At any rate, he is the first to lose a Mummy in losec, nobody can take THAT away from him :)

I look forward to the FRAPS and report to see if we can understand what happened.

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Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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Also a few Bombers with Capacitor kill bombs could help a lot :)

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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Also a few Bombers with Capacitor kill bombs could help a lot :)

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LOWSEC

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Originally by: Captian Internet

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Did some one say IBTL? because I think I just heard some one say IBTL

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Originally by: Ventosus

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Originally by: ZaKma

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The cap boosters would give you enough of a boost to get past 70% and jump (with the number of BS x13 had).

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Let me put this straight. He couldt cyno off. Not with cap boosters or anything.

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Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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Also a few Bombers with Capacitor kill bombs could help a lot :)

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LOWSEC

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I amno bomber pilot, don know where they work :P

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