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BH Desryn ISD BH	Posted - 2007.09.23 22:31:00 - [1] Edited by: BH Desryn on 23/09/2007 22:36:07 Since so many people keep asking the question of when the next mirror is, here is the answer. Mirrors are only made when the devs have a reason to need an updated one. Mirrors take quite some time and work to create which is why they're not done that often. To make a mirror to singularity takes around 2 hours of downtime to copy the tranquility database, followed by a day or more of work internally to prepare the database for use. It is therefore not feasible to do this regularly. Asking the same question that's already been asked by hundreds of others before you will not change the answer. As for skills, If you want more skills on Singularity, start training them on Singularity. Ensign? What? I'm a Captain now! [Bug Report Here]


ISD BH Desryn ISD BH	Posted - 2007.09.23 22:31:00 - [2] Edited by: BH Desryn on 29/09/2007 00:40:20 Since so many people keep asking the question of when the next mirror is, here is the answer. Mirrors are only made when the devs have a reason to need an updated one. Mirrors take quite some time and work to create which is why they're not done that often. To make a mirror to singularity takes around 2 hours of downtime to copy the tranquility database, followed by a day or more of work internally to prepare the database for use. It is therefore not feasible to do this regularly. Asking the same question that's already been asked by hundreds of others before you will not change the answer. As for skills, If you want more skills on Singularity, start training them on Singularity. So when is the next mirror? SoonÖ Ensign? What? I'm a Captain now! [Bug Report Here]

Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.23 23:05:00 - [3] Perhaps you could elaborate a little? i.e., when do the devs usually consider it worthwhile to do a mirror? I can appreciate some of the work involved with creating a new one - all science & industry jobs in progress at the time of the mirror have to be cancelled, starbases and outposts (and their contents) wiped, markets reseeded and goodness knows what else. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Jita Alt	Posted - 2007.09.23 23:07:00 - [4] You know this won't actually reduce the number of mirror whine threads, right? :p __________________________________ Calling you an idiot on a forum nearby
Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.24 00:11:00 - [5] Edited by: Aramendel on 24/09/2007 00:11:09 At least they will be able to be squished faster. As for "when do the devs usually consider it worthwhile to do a mirror?" - thats pretty easy to answer with a bit of thinking: When it is needed or when it can be done with minimal additional effort. The test server is used primary to..well..test new game content. And not new ship setups (although it can be used very well for that, you just have to invest effort by training your chars on sisi too). So, essentially, devs will upddate the char database when they need more people on sisi to test new stuff. Right now that isn't the case, at least until we'll see the new ships. Either that or they do it when it is the least work intensive or can be combined with other needed stuff. For example, a TQ copy will most likely be done when they need an extended downtime anyway (for example hardware upgrades, should be no problem to do these and copy in the meanwhile the database). And the sisi update when they need to fiddle with the user database there anyway, too.
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2007.09.24 00:34:00 - [6] So I suppose the question here is really "When is Rev 3 appearing on SISI?" That seems the best time to mirror TQ. The new engine and new content will require a large patch (and likely downtime), and they'll need testers in droves to test the new stuff out. Since Rev 3 ships in November and we haven't heard anything about delays, I would guess testing would start sometime in October. -------------------------------------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth

CCP Atropos	Posted - 2007.09.24 11:23:00 - [7] BH Desryn is correct though; at the moment we're working on fixing the 600+ defects that Oveur mentioned in his devblog. These obviously require new clients rather than a new db, which is why Sisi players have to patch so regularly, and do not have an up-to-TQ-date version of their skills. When we have a need to release content for public playtesting, for example with the new ships, then we may very well update the db, if we feel that there aren't enough people currently being able to test a specific feature.

Braaage eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.09.24 17:21:00 - [8] "When is the next mirror" NEVER -- eve-guides.com POS, Outpost and Sovereignty info Now includes setting up POSs in Empire
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.09.24 21:32:00 - [9] replace mirrors with +20 implants
AiC Gallente modro	Posted - 2007.09.25 12:09:00 - [10] last mirror: 2007-07-03 nice service for rl-euros paying members like me... thx
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.09.25 14:27:00 - [11] Originally by: AiC last mirror: 2007-07-03 nice service for rl-euros paying members like me... thx Emm ur paying for tq not for sisi, sisi is test server, given us as "extra". I don't udnerstand all those ppl whining, u wanna pvp - pvp on tq. --- Battlecarriers !
SilentHunter13	Posted - 2007.09.25 15:53:00 - [12] 'If you want to pvp, pvp on TQ' Interesting, well, i can pvp on TQ but my problem is (as with some other people) is i don't have the isk to buy every single ship that i want to test and fit it out to see if its worth buying or not or how effective it might be mining or combat wise yada yada yada. Alot, if not all can understand that we don't pay for the test server, that it is there for everyone to use and that it takes time to update it. Even if you update it now, someone will complain in 2 weeks time saying its not up to date (then its possible to use the phrase "learn it on the test server then"). Some people in eve play for a while before even using the test server, who you say? well not everyone is awake when playing eve and not everyone uses it to its full, i for one have not used the test server til recently and i played it for 30 mins and decided to wait til next update. Why you ask? why not learn the skills in the server and then you can do as you wish? Because my skills on TQ are such that i can use minmatar, amarr, gallente and caldari battlecruisers, caldari and gallente battleships and the skills associated with using those ships in combat situations properly such as rigs and tech 2 modules. However, the test server only has me down as being able to use gallente battlecruisers and nothing else, i cannot even fit a shield hardener. I am fully aware this takes time and its not a thing of "your all lazy" or whatever, that it is a chore to do such a thing when its not payed for or really needed towards game play however i would rather not have to train all the skills i have done on the test server just to catch up and test the ship or modules out, by that time i would have made the money and bought it, tested it on TQ and moved on. How can i truely test ships and modules and new things coming out in the world of eve properly if i do not have the skills to well.....test them.....Don't by all means instantly go and upgrade the server because i made this statement, but please put it higher on your list of 'things to do', yes it takes time, yes it will cut down on people's play time and yes we don't pay you for doing it however doing the update will benefit all who use the test server and besides, sure we don't pay you for doing the test server or whatever but you provide it and thus it should be maintained and kept reasonably up to date otherwise there is no real point in providing it. (i say all, there is always one person whos got somthing to complain about). Last thing before i submit this wall of jibberish to the world to be cut into peices and thrown back at me is the thought of "ergh, but.....it takes time to do it, we don't get payed for it, why should we bother. Just means we have to work" Will generally just carry on, i mean you remember back when you were teenagers? "i'll do my work later, i got plenty of time, besides there is no rush" is somthing said alot until you realise at the last moment "oh noes its becoming a real problem and i'm getting a yelling about it, damn i wish i shoulda done it earlier", if hundreds of people post complaints about the test server not being up to date, isn't that a sign that somthing should be done? Think about it and read carefully before replying ^^ (there is always someone who doesn't read it all carefully and posts somthing stupid) Thank you for your time SilentHunter13
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.09.25 17:32:00 - [13] When there is NEED to test certain new feature, ppl get this skill slapped, ie this is what happened when hams kicked in. And beside that and point that u don't have isk on tq to test some ships (tho then why u need to test this ship if u can't afford to fly it ?), i didnt rly understand what u wanted to say in ur too-long post, less text more content and life will be easier. U first agree that updating because of whiners is pointless, coz in 2 weeks they will start whining again, but then u write half page about how bad and bo-hoo is fact that server is not updated. Also there is a lot of ppl complaining that **** and cocain + other hard drugs should be legal, altogether with child **, doesnt that mean that this should become legal ? No it don't. --- Battlecarriers !
Cyberus Caldari Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.25 18:27:00 - [14] blah blah blah....... 2-3 weeks more and forums will be silent again about sisi mirror. ohhh btw to all who said its not about to test your setups on sisi. WTF you think we should do? doing some npc trading? TEST means -> TEST so much if posseble ships/ mods/ items/ rigs etc. All difrend kinds of fittings and so on. CCP wants us to test so thats what we/you do. YOU testing and who knows meaby while you trying some new shiny setup on ya probebly future ship you will find something like: ".....WTF???? this is wrong, its broken or whatever it is. its not supose work like this." and then you run and write bug report and thats what CCP expect from us while we trying our setups on sisi. :) and means WE ARE TESTING!!!!
SilentHunter13 Underworld Protection Agency The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2007.09.25 20:09:00 - [15] 'And beside that and point that u don't have isk on tq to test some ships (tho then why u need to test this ship if u can't afford to fly it ?)' - sigh ok, here we go. Do you know what you actually wrote? "why do you need to test the ship if you cant afford it" well Valandril i would like to know if the ship setup is worth using the money or saving up for instead of using my isk on another project in TQ so that is why i want to test it on sisi, use your head, i know tonnes of people who fit out abaddons with lots of T2 equipment and rigs and see how it handles full well knowing it will take them a few weeks to get the money for such a setup. 'i didnt rly understand what u wanted to say in ur too-long post, less text more content and life will be easier.' - Called making a rounded argument and looking at it from all sides, yes some people want the upgrade, and yes some ppl don't have the time to initiate the upgrade. 'Too-long' tbh its a forum where you type words down so people can read it, if you dont like reading on a forum for more than 10 seconds, go to ship setups and read that. 'U first agree that updating because of whiners is pointless, coz in 2 weeks they will start whining again, but then u write half page about how bad and bo-hoo is fact that server is not updated.' - Again, balanced, showing all sides of the argument so that others can understand fully what we are asking and the reasons why and so on and so forth. 'Also there is a lot of ppl complaining that **** and cocain + other hard drugs should be legal, altogether with child **, doesnt that mean that this should become legal? No it don't.' - Doesn't really relate to this matter i'm sorry. This is indeed a internet game whereby you pay per play, game mods and designers are interested in your opinions to help the game out and change things for the better, this is why we have this section of the forums and this is why we have the forums in the first place, otherwise it would just be roleplay. I urge you to not reply on what i just wrote and instead read it and read my previous statement again. I fear you posting again about my statements might lead to pointless arguments and eventually insults of which this game could do without. Yours Silent ------------------------------------------ Analysing and Destroying your arguments since early 2007 :) Enjoy. Yankee Alpha Romeo Romeo Romeo
Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.25 22:23:00 - [16] Edited by: Aramendel on 25/09/2007 22:25:19 Originally by: Cyberus blah blah blah....... 2-3 weeks more and forums will be silent again about sisi mirror. ohhh btw to all who said its not about to test your setups on sisi. WTF you think we should do? doing some npc trading? You should play on TQ. Sisi is not intended as TQ alternative. You still can use it to test setups, but that requires gasp effort. By keeping your skilsl trained on sisi. This isn't exactly difficult, I have on both servers about the same SP. Quote: TEST means -> TEST so much if posseble ships/ mods/ items/ rigs etc. All difrend kinds of fittings and so on. CCP wants us to test so thats what we/you do. YOU testing and who knows meaby while you trying some new shiny setup on ya probebly future ship you will find something like: ".....WTF???? this is wrong, its broken or whatever it is. its not supose work like this." and then you run and write bug report and thats what CCP expect from us while we trying our setups on sisi. :) and means WE ARE TESTING!!!! Trying out new setups is virtually useless as bug finder. Especially since if you are testing NEW setups you usually have no real experience with them and have a hard time to differentiate between bugs and normal behaviour. The amount of white noise that produces (aka bugreports which are not about bugs because the person confused a normal behavious as bug because he is unfamiliar with the module/ship in question) makes it actually contraproductive. From CCPs perspective it only makes sense to get people testing if there is new content or considerable changes to a module/ship which makes it more likely that there are actual bugs to find. And that is actually exactly what most other MMORPG companies do - they open their test server only for the public when there are major patches to be tested. Otherwise they are closed to the public because keeping them open does not really help. Having an online-all-the-time test server is a favour from ccp to us.
Sleepkevert Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.25 23:11:00 - [17] Originally by: Braaage "When is the next mirror" SOONÖ I fixed it for ya. Seriously tough, i can imagine that people want to test setups and stuff, but that's not that the server was made for in the first place... Sign my sig
Atomic Atty Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.09.25 23:41:00 - [18] Be patient guys. We know Rev 3 is supposed to hit TQ on Nov 28th + SoonÖ (Sry CCP couldn't resist :p). So we could expect the next mirror to be done around the first half of November. This is just speculation though, but quite logical tbh. ----- Idea to reduce the waiting time to get a Singularity mirror
chrisreeves Gallente Asgard Protectorate Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.09.28 05:37:00 - [19] Edited by: chrisreeves on 28/09/2007 05:38:01 Originally by: Sleepkevert Seriously tough, i can imagine that people want to test setups and stuff, but that's not that the server was made for in the first place... Actually, http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g22.asp, specifically Originally by: who ever wrote the guide Tranquility is the ôliveö server, the EVE game world where most of the action takes place. Entropy (now Singularity) is the test server where players can experiment with new features and changes without risking loss or changes to their favorite characters on the live server. (Bold Added). So actually, the "test" server is for testing (<-notice the word "test" in "testing") setups. Not that it is exclusively for this purpose but if you are "test(ing)" a setup then technically the "test" server is a place for that. Just wanted to point that out ----------------- Originally by: kieron The Ibis was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.28 17:45:00 - [20] Actually, no it says "with new features and changes". Not new ship setups. And for THAT skills are provided. When HAMs were introduced people were given HAM5. When heat got introduced people were given thermodynamics 5.

ISD BH Desryn ISD BH	Posted - 2007.09.29 00:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Sleepkevert Originally by: Braaage "When is the next mirror" SOONÖ I fixed it for ya. Ah yes I forgot, I've added it :D Ensign? What? I'm a Captain now! [Bug Report Here]

Dark Flare Caldari Corpus PCG The State	Posted - 2007.09.29 01:44:00 - [22] Originally by: AiC last mirror: 2007-07-03 nice service for rl-euros paying members like me... thx You pay for TQ. SiSi is a test server for CCP. Not for you. You should be grateful that they let you on it, they don't have to at all. Yet they put time into making it so that we CAN use it.
chrisreeves Gallente Asgard Protectorate Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.09.29 01:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Aramendel Actually, no it says "with new features and changes". Not new ship setups... So, how are people supposed to find bugs? (which of course is another thing the test server is used for). I guess "new features and setups" don't affect ship setups ----------------- Originally by: kieron The Ibis was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
chrisreeves Gallente Asgard Protectorate Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.09.29 01:46:00 - [24] Edited by: chrisreeves on 29/09/2007 01:46:01 yay forum lag \o/ ----------------- Originally by: kieron The Ibis was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Anaal Nathrakh	Posted - 2007.09.29 11:24:00 - [25] Originally by: AiC last mirror: 2007-07-03 nice service for rl-euros paying members like me... thx I think its YYYY-MM-DD :p not YYYY-DD-MM

ISD BH Desryn ISD BH	Posted - 2007.09.29 20:30:00 - [26] The last mirror was in July. This one isnt that old. Ensign? What? I'm a Captain now! [Bug Report Here]

Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.30 10:14:00 - [27] Originally by: chrisreeves Originally by: Aramendel Actually, no it says "with new features and changes". Not new ship setups... So, how are people supposed to find bugs? (which of course is another thing the test server is used for). I guess "new features and setups" don't affect ship setups Copy-paste: Trying out new setups is virtually useless as bug finder. Especially since if you are testing NEW setups you usually have no real experience with them and have a hard time to differentiate between bugs and normal behaviour. The amount of white noise that produces (aka bugreports which are not about bugs because the person confused a normal behavious as bug because he is unfamiliar with the module/ship in question) makes it actually contraproductive.
NaRoaN	Posted - 2007.10.01 02:31:00 - [28] Originally by: Dark Flare Originally by: AiC last mirror: 2007-07-03 nice service for rl-euros paying members like me... thx You pay for TQ. SiSi is a test server for CCP. Not for you. You should be grateful that they let you on it, they don't have to at all. Yet they put time into making it so that we CAN use it. 14.1 What is the difference between Tranquility, Singularity (SiSi) and Multiplicity (Multi)? Tranquility is the ôliveö server, the EVE game world where most of the action takes place. Singularity is the test server where players can experiment with new features and changes without risking loss or changes to their favorite characters on the live server. Looks like it is what we pay for bubb... And it is for us also
Terex193 Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.01 05:06:00 - [29] in 2 days itll b 3 months :/ Take my sig devs,i dare you >--.--<
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.10.01 11:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Terex193 in 2 days itll b 3 months :/ Call the whambulance ? --- Battlecarriers !
Gelban Fisto	Posted - 2007.10.02 13:52:00 - [31] Edited by: Gelban Fisto on 02/10/2007 13:54:45 Singularity is the test server where players can experiment with new features and changes without risking loss or changes to their favorite characters on the live server. Notice it says new features and changes and not ship set ups or anything like that? looks like we AREN'T paying for it per se, and it wasn't intended for everyone and their grandma to go test out their navy ravens. Instead it's there so we as players can do the job software companies used to PAY people to do. QA and beta testing.
mama guru Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.02 14:22:00 - [32] Soon enough i hope -YOU ARE NOW READING MY SIGNATURE- EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Ur235 The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.04 21:19:00 - [33] you think this is bad, they didnt mirror sisi for 6 months once lol. Stop whining people seriosly
Zeph Solaris Caldari Firing Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.05 19:40:00 - [34] Put +99 implants in the test server and you will rarely have people complaining about their skills not being up to date. I know it's a dev only thing, but giving that little button that says "give me these skills" to everyone would do it as well. I can understand if it's not there to prevent hundreds of titans from popping up, but it'd still be a nice way to not worry about having to keep up with multiple servers.
lin ta	Posted - 2007.10.06 18:57:00 - [35] anybody that has ever developed anything knows that your best testers are your users. don't think i would ever expect my users to test things that were months old, they would not bother. too bad ccp doesn't realize that. if the developers don't want to take the time to provide a proper test environment, why should i bother looking for and logging bugs. waste of my time. i'll use it for what it is, a different sandbox than tq.
Elmicker Black Sea Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:37:00 - [36] Originally by: lin ta don't think i would ever expect my users to test things that were months old, And they don't. If there's anything new added that you could not previously train, then you're usually given the skills on sisi. Best example of this was heat and bombs, where everyone was given the maximum relevant skills so we could all test them.
Muteator	Posted - 2007.10.31 07:11:00 - [37] Originally by: ISD BH Desryn Edited by: ISD BH Desryn on 05/10/2007 20:19:31 Current mirror date: 3rd October 2007 -------------------------------------------- Since so many people keep asking the question of when the next mirror is, here is the answer. Mirrors are only made when the devs have a reason to need an updated one. Mirrors take quite some time and work to create which is why they're not done that often. To make a mirror to singularity takes around 2 hours of downtime to copy the tranquility database, followed by a day or more of work internally to prepare the database for use. It is therefore not feasible to do this regularly. Asking the same question that's already been asked by hundreds of others before you will not change the answer. As for skills, If you want more skills on Singularity, start training them on Singularity. So when is the next mirror? SoonÖ Ok This is the only problem I have with the whole test server mirror thing. Notice the bold underline I put in the quote. Well if you read the eve-online support about the test server it says "Character information is replicated to the test server on a regular basis". Please not to contradict other support pages. Other than that I have no problem waiting for the next mirror and understand.
Jazpar Willard	Posted - 2007.11.12 13:52:00 - [38] All this whining seems to be solely about a characters skill set. Why not simply allow a skill set import from Singularity (like Eve Mon, Eve Fit or numerous other aids). I don't really need isk and items, but skills you can not just "buy". Jaz
Big Zulu Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.12.21 09:25:00 - [39] BUUMP for this.. so last was in October? We wants new mirror!! _________ I has bree..

CCP Casqade	Posted - 2007.12.21 13:29:00 - [40] Did you read the thread?

Shionoya Risa Caldari The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2007.12.21 15:41:00 - [41] Originally by: CCP Casqade Did you read the thread? After quickly browsing the thread, no where does it detail the actual correct(?) date of 15th November as the last mirror. On the 3rd October, both my accounts were inactive, and neither were located in Aunia, where they were located when logging in. ----- Quote: Argh! Natural light, get it off me! Get it off me!
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.12.21 20:52:00 - [42] Leave sisi alone.. one more month at least.. it's a pain to train some skills on alts there and i'm nearly where I want it to be.. Otherwise I would like to ask if we can make screenshots of trained skills there (like we should do for cap-production) so wen can get them back on next mirror with the help of GM's?

ISD BH Desryn	Posted - 2007.12.21 21:01:00 - [43] Edited by: ISD BH Desryn on 21/12/2007 21:04:04 Actually current mirror is not the October date but 15th of November. I didn't keep this updated as Hunter made a new sticky (which is now gone) :P Lets Break EverythingÖ [Bug Report Here]

Shionoya Risa Caldari The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2007.12.21 22:24:00 - [44] Originally by: ISD BH Desryn Edited by: ISD BH Desryn on 21/12/2007 21:04:04 Actually current mirror is not the October date but 15th of November. Do I get a medal? ----- Quote: Argh! Natural light, get it off me! Get it off me!
Decon Nine Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.17 09:02:00 - [45] Any chance on a mirror soon?
Jaketh Ivanes Do Or Die And Live Or Try The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.03.17 09:15:00 - [46] Originally by: Decon Nine Any chance on a mirror soon? Any chance you'll read the first post?
z0de Gallente The Bastards	Posted - 2008.04.25 06:18:00 - [47] Edited by: z0de on 25/04/2008 06:17:58 Are their plans to update the test server for the 29th April 08 stress test?

ISD BH CookieMistress ISD BH	Posted - 2008.04.25 08:23:00 - [48] Edited by: ISD BH CookieMistress on 25/04/2008 08:26:19 The mirror scredule post from Oneiromancer can be seen Here

reaping miner Loving Pirates United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.02 18:55:00 - [49] well i dont see a schedule anywhere and if i follow that link i get on a very old post and if i click the link for more info i get on the page i started at. cant you guys atleast schedule mirrors for the next year? and not just say euh.. a reasonable amount of time cus that doesnt mean anything. reasonable is different for everyone.
Warmistress Severine Sinister Defiance Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.07.06 01:45:00 - [50] sisi should have all skills unlocked, then there wouldn't be a problem.
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.07.07 01:44:00 - [51] Originally by: Warmistress Severine sisi should have all skills unlocked, then there wouldn't be a problem. If you bothered to do a search, you might see why you are wrong.
Brutore	Posted - 2008.07.17 07:34:00 - [52] It seems test server hasnt been mirrored in over two months. Is there plans to maybe mirror it soon? I have more skills on TQ and wouldn't mind testing some of the newer things i have on sisi.
Pristin	Posted - 2008.07.22 23:04:00 - [53] please announce the next mirror date? give us somethin, name a week, hell name a month please
tisol Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.23 01:22:00 - [54] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton replace mirrors with +20 implants This guy makes a good point, if there's +20 (or more) implants then mirrors wouldn't be needed at all, and would save you guys a lot of time :D
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.07.23 04:24:00 - [55] Originally by: Brutore It seems test server hasnt been mirrored in over two months. Is there plans to maybe mirror it soon? I have more skills on TQ and wouldn't mind testing some of the newer things i have on sisi. Actually, it's more like 6 weeks. Since it usually happens between 7-10 weeks on a normal cycle, it should happen in the few weeks, probably.
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.23 12:03:00 - [56] There is no fast times when there will be a new mirror. CCP have said many many times that they will make a new mirror when they need it, and atm i don't think it's not needed. And for me, i hope there will be no new mirrors ever, because of some things i have on sisi now.
Bexxly Gallente Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.	Posted - 2008.07.26 16:38:00 - [57] nightmare you suck!;) bo
Murk Loar Caldari The Ex-Patriots	Posted - 2008.07.26 20:34:00 - [58] In all seriousness,has anybody heard any mention if they will or won't before the Monday test?
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.07.26 23:19:00 - [59] As there are some modules modified or revamped they might be needing a new database, at least for equipment, but I don't think it's the same DB as characters. And no, still no news about a new mirror :/
Hari Sel'don Gallente Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.27 09:02:00 - [60] Can we PLEASE have a new mirror, it has been over two months since the last one!
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.07.27 17:49:00 - [61] Edited by: Kil''Roy on 27/07/2008 17:50:29 Originally by: Hari Sel'don Can we PLEASE have a new mirror, it has been over two months since the last one! No, it hasn't been 2 months yet. Actually, it's been about 1 month and 3 weeks. Some people are still testing some things they recently got. Learn patience, or is that something you've never heard of? They will do a mirror when "They" need one, not because people are crying their little hearts out for one.
Hari Sel'don Gallente Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.27 19:59:00 - [62] Originally by: Kil'Roy Edited by: Kil''Roy on 27/07/2008 17:50:29 Originally by: Hari Sel'don Can we PLEASE have a new mirror, it has been over two months since the last one! No, it hasn't been 2 months yet. Actually, it's been about 1 month and 3 weeks. Some people are still testing some things they recently got. Learn patience, or is that something you've never heard of? They will do a mirror when "They" need one, not because people are crying their little hearts out for one. "A new mirror to Singularity has been applied to Singularity on May 20th, 2008. The mirror was taken on May 5th." Mate I didnt ask your your opinion on the matter, I was simply voicing my desire for a new mirror. Please, yes, it has been over two months.
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.07.27 23:29:00 - [63] Originally by: Hari Sel'don "A new mirror to Singularity has been applied to Singularity on May 20th, 2008. The mirror was taken on May 5th." Mate I didnt ask your your opinion on the matter, I was simply voicing my desire for a new mirror. Please, yes, it has been over two months. Your first mistake is to asume that each time they apply a mirror, they post about it. You must be new to the test server. That mirror was short lived. Another was appled the beginng of june. Your second mistake is to assume that someone would care if that you didn't ask for their opinion. Welcome to Eve! Obvisiouly you are new around here.
Hari Sel'don Gallente Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.28 00:26:00 - [64] Originally by: Kil'Roy Originally by: Hari Sel'don "A new mirror to Singularity has been applied to Singularity on May 20th, 2008. The mirror was taken on May 5th." Mate I didnt ask your your opinion on the matter, I was simply voicing my desire for a new mirror. Please, yes, it has been over two months. Your first mistake is to asume that each time they apply a mirror, they post about it. You must be new to the test server. That mirror was short lived. Another was appled the beginng of june. Your second mistake is to assume that someone would care if that you didn't ask for their opinion. Welcome to Eve! Obvisiouly you are new around here. I have not used the test server in a while and simply assumed that an official thread would be correct, so that is not a mistake. Besides, it was not like my estimate was out by a few months, it was out by a mere few days! I am far from now around here, I simply choose not to succumb to the general atmosphere of arrogance radiated by people like yourself! So once again, your opinion is not desired.
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.07.28 00:48:00 - [65] If you are not new around here, then you "should" know that they don't put a new mirror on Sisi based upon how many people want one, but when there is a need for one based upon "Internal Test Requirements". You might as well ask them for a new computer while you are at it.
Moirae Arachnea	Posted - 2008.07.28 02:40:00 - [66] Just a question concerning SiSi from someone that has just discovered how to use it (yeah yeah I know... I'd heard of it, but hadn't gone over and checked it out)... If my memory of server incremental backups is correct, and it's been a few years since I ran one so my tech is outdated, please be patient, but.. is TQ's backups updated incrementally? or at DT? If so, and of course NOT knowing exactly what your OS and Hardware is specifically, couldn't a script be written to incrementally update SiSi at it's DT?? I've done DB backups and updates ( I ran mirrored websites) and while none of it has ever been on the scale of an MMO, the script isn't particularly difficult to write for a standard web-server. Ok, before you start screaming TQ isn't a standard web-server, I know this. But the overall principles should be similiar enough to allow for an daily incremental backup and update unless the program, db, os etc is far different than I am thinking it is. The primary reason I have stated the above is this. I have 4 accounts. only two can access SiSi since it appears they were created AFTER the last mirror. I'd like to be able to test some of the nano related adjustments with my minmatar character who is just a few weeks away from flying a Vagabond. If the adjustments are such that with his current skills, he will be effectively neutralized, then I am going to need to adjust and test my skilling to make the ship more viable within the game. I would hate to have spent so much isk on a ship that even before I can fly it, becomes effectively worthless to me for now. If the nano adjustments make it so a low SP character can't fly a Vagabond as it was designed to fly, then imma haffa adjust and find a niche it can fit, cause I sure ain't gonna let it gather dust. But I can't really test this if the character doesn't exist on SiSi. So... here is hoping a new mirror is due soon. Moirae Arachnea Fix the BIO! You can't delete a link from your BIO if the link was the first thing you placed in your bio!
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.07.28 03:09:00 - [67] Edited by: Kil''Roy on 28/07/2008 03:11:19 The answer is in the first post of this thread, although, not in all the detail you are asking for. The copy task is easy compared to the internal work that is needed, such as removing POSes and ETC. Originally by: ISD BH Desryn Edited by: ISD BH Desryn on 20/01/2008 03:17:43 Current mirror date: 17th January 2008 -------------------------------------------- Since so many people keep asking the question of when the next mirror is, here is the answer. Mirrors are only made when the devs have a reason to need an updated one. Mirrors take quite some time and work to create which is why they're not done that often. To make a mirror to singularity takes around 2 hours of downtime to copy the tranquility database, followed by a day or more of work internally to prepare the database for use. It is therefore not feasible to do this regularly. Asking the same question that's already been asked by hundreds of others before you will not change the answer. As for skills, If you want more skills on Singularity, start training them on Singularity. So when is the next mirror? SoonÖ
Moirae Arachnea	Posted - 2008.07.28 03:28:00 - [68] Edited by: Moirae Arachnea on 28/07/2008 03:33:58 Originally by: Kil'Roy The answer is in the first post of this thread, although, not in all the detail you are asking for. The copy task is easy compared to the internal work that is needed, such as removing POSes and ETC. hmm wasn't particularly asking for a new mirror as hoping one would be forthcoming soon as I have characters on accounts NOT on SiSi atm. I know that there is a lot involved with DB updates if you have to go in and make changes like you described, although I am not sure why they can't just do a true mirror rather than an adjusted one which would make more sense. oh wait no, I see what your saying. remove all GSC's etc, all PoS etc, to give the server a clean "baseline" for testing rather than one cluttered with extraneous garbage. The only problem I can see with that is it then ensures that SiSi isn't a true rep of whats going on and happening with tq. Anyhoo.. Hope one happens soon so I can test ALL my characters. MA edit Not having a great knowledge of the mechanics involved with mirroring an MMO server (like EVE's) and all that is required or involved, take my statements with a grain of salt as I am sure there is a great deal involved that I have little or no experience with, and my lack of knowledge of that may be showing here. ~MA Fix the BIO! You can't delete a link from your BIO if the link was the first thing you placed in your bio!

CCP Oneiromancer	Posted - 2008.07.28 11:19:00 - [69] We will try to put a new mirror on Singularity this week. To answer the question above, yes, it would be possible to make an incremental periodical update between the two databases, however it is not feasible for us. I'm going to explain a bit how the mirroring process works and why we have to prune the database we deploy on the public test servers before. A full backup of the Tranquility database is made periodically and stored on a server. That database is then copied onto Singularity or Multiplicity - the process takes around 7 hours. The copied database is then pruned in order to remove starbases and the moon minerals scrambled. This is done to prevent scouting on the test server of starbase locations and moon resources. The database is further edited with the following: * ETC accounts are edited so that they do not expire when the ETC payment runs out. * All accounts are voice enabled. * Agent memory is removed (standings and loyalty points). * S&I jobs are removed (this is done in order to prevent starbase S&I jobs from being stuck. * The market is seeded so that all market items cost 100 ISK and are in plentiful supply. At least one station per constellation is market seeded like this. * Other adjustments for our internal use. This process takes around 4 hours, then the database is deployed on the Singularity server. Depending on possible complications with the database copying, editing or with the server starting up after the database is deployed, the whole process can take up to 2 days. I hope this answers your questions.

Bronson Hughes The. Conspiracy	Posted - 2008.07.28 12:01:00 - [70] Thanks for the post CCP Oneiromancer. Regardless of the processing behind it, I am happy to hear that there should be a new mirror soon; I'm just wrapping up a few long trains and would like to test them out on SiSi. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Moirae Arachnea	Posted - 2008.07.28 12:27:00 - [71] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer I hope this answers your questions. It answers them perfectly, thank you. I now have a fuller understanding of what a mirror for your servers take, and why it is more complicated than a normal back-up. o/ I look foreward to trying my newer accounts in SiSi! lol. MA
Nightelf Mowhawk	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:16:00 - [72] the mirror today or is sisi just offline for some reason
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:27:00 - [73] Afaik it's just a version change. And if I'm not wrong, in order to do a mirror, TQ has to go in an extended downtime.
Hari Sel'don Gallente Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:40:00 - [74] Originally by: verde bandit Afaik it's just a version change. And if I'm not wrong, in order to do a mirror, TQ has to go in an extended downtime. Why would TQ have to go into extended downtime? All they would be doing is copying the database...
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:42:00 - [75] Maybe it takes longer than you think ?
Zarthanon Gallente TEAMSTERS	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:53:00 - [76] Edited by: Zarthanon on 31/07/2008 11:54:37 They obviously make incremental backups of their database for security reasons. They don't have to go into an extended DT on TQ to get a database mirror, they should just have to copy it from a recent backup. Either way, give it time. They obviously want our input on these changes and need as much help as they can get seeing it's nature. Just wait, it'll happen, waiting for a mirror never got anyone podded. I like pie.
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:59:00 - [77] It takes a short time to make a db dump, copying it to the server, tweaking the db for testing services easily takes a day, Sisi doesn't have to be offline for the most part, TQ has nothing to do with this part. Some of the db tweaks are a lot easier to do in game, at which point, after a DT to migrate to the new db build, there will be a nice 'not accepting connections' time in which a few devs work their asses off to get it ready.. A new version was tested on sisi today, but they removed it again. See this for more info. All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..
Mira O'karr Minmatar Templars of Space	Posted - 2008.07.31 15:05:00 - [78] Edited by: Mira O''karr on 31/07/2008 15:06:54 thanks for putting a new mirror <3

CCP Oneiromancer	Posted - 2008.07.31 15:11:00 - [79] I have some more news about the mirror: the person in Operations who is in charge of moving the database copy over to the Singularity network is on vacation and won't be back until next Monday. So the mirror will not be this week, unfortunately.

verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.07.31 16:05:00 - [80] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer I have some more news about the mirror: the person in Operations who is in charge of moving the database copy over to the Singularity network is on vacation and won't be back until next Monday. So the mirror will not be this week, unfortunately. RABBLE RABBLE ! :p Well maybe someone who's not in vacations could easily take over this transferring duty, couldn't it ? I mean, doesn't seem very hard or very long either to me :)
KingCappo Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.07.31 16:18:00 - [81] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer I have some more news about the mirror: the person in Operations who is in charge of moving the database copy over to the Singularity network is on vacation and won't be back until next Monday. So the mirror will not be this week, unfortunately. Is there any way to get an additional week or so of testing added to the timetable for the speed changes? Many pilots cannot test the changes on sisi very well, because they have seen dramatic changes to their skills in the two months since the last mirror.
Hari Sel'don Gallente Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.31 16:42:00 - [82] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer I have some more news about the mirror: the person in Operations who is in charge of moving the database copy over to the Singularity network is on vacation and won't be back until next Monday. So the mirror will not be this week, unfortunately. Copying and pasting must be so difficult for someone untrained. Ask the janitor to push the five necessary keys instead
Bronson Hughes The. Conspiracy	Posted - 2008.08.01 16:27:00 - [83] Originally by: Hari Sel'don Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer I have some more news about the mirror: the person in Operations who is in charge of moving the database copy over to the Singularity network is on vacation and won't be back until next Monday. So the mirror will not be this week, unfortunately. Copying and pasting must be so difficult for someone untrained. Ask the janitor to push the five necessary keys instead Yes, but the Janitor doesn't know the passwords necessary to log onto the database servers.... -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Mag's MASS	Posted - 2008.08.01 16:34:00 - [84] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer Informative posts..... Thank you. Mag's Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you.
Hari Sel'don Gallente Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.01 17:32:00 - [85] Originally by: Bronson Hughes Originally by: Hari Sel'don Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer I have some more news about the mirror: the person in Operations who is in charge of moving the database copy over to the Singularity network is on vacation and won't be back until next Monday. So the mirror will not be this week, unfortunately. Copying and pasting must be so difficult for someone untrained. Ask the janitor to push the five necessary keys instead Yes, but the Janitor doesn't know the passwords necessary to log onto the database servers.... Give him the passwords then lol
Unyeilding Faith	Posted - 2008.08.02 14:33:00 - [86] why do forums attract people who need to be thrown out an air-lock?
Kalintos Tyl Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.02 15:36:00 - [87] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer We will try to put a new mirror on Singularity this week. To answer the question above, yes, it would be possible to make an incremental periodical update between the two databases, however it is not feasible for us. I'm going to explain a bit how the mirroring process works and why we have to prune the database we deploy on the public test servers before. A full backup of the Tranquility database is made periodically and stored on a server. That database is then copied onto Singularity or Multiplicity - the process takes around 7 hours. The copied database is then pruned in order to remove starbases and the moon minerals scrambled. This is done to prevent scouting on the test server of starbase locations and moon resources. The database is further edited with the following: * ETC accounts are edited so that they do not expire when the ETC payment runs out. * All accounts are voice enabled. * Agent memory is removed (standings and loyalty points). * S&I jobs are removed (this is done in order to prevent starbase S&I jobs from being stuck. * The market is seeded so that all market items cost 100 ISK and are in plentiful supply. At least one station per constellation is market seeded like this. * Other adjustments for our internal use. This process takes around 4 hours, then the database is deployed on the Singularity server. Depending on possible complications with the database copying, editing or with the server starting up after the database is deployed, the whole process can take up to 2 days. I hope this answers your questions. why you do this over and over again. you could just copy skill data.
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.08.02 20:07:00 - [88] Originally by: Kalintos Tyl why you do this over and over again. you could just copy skill data. I would suggest you draw up a detailed spec sheet on this process and submit it with your resume to CCP so we can all benefit from this great insight of yours.
Hari Sel'don Gallente Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.02 22:43:00 - [89] Originally by: Unyeilding Faith why do forums attract people who need to be thrown out an air-lock? I am sure, as a member of that group, you can answer your own question.
Gigi Kent Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.08.03 06:11:00 - [90] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer Good poast Thanks for the update, appreciated. -------------------------- Sig do what now?
Dapanman1 Amarr Beets and Gravy Syndicate The InterBus Initiative	Posted - 2008.08.03 22:04:00 - [91] Originally by: Hari Sel'don Originally by: Unyeilding Faith why do forums attract people who need to be thrown out an air-lock? NO U fyp Sig removed for inappropriate content.~~~Applebabe

CCP Oneiromancer	Posted - 2008.08.04 07:43:00 - [92] To answer the questions so far: 1. The remaining Operations people are already busy with the day-to-day maintenance work for Tranquility and their other duties. 2. Copying the skill data is not enough to make a new mirror, a full database backup is needed for this.

RFD commander	Posted - 2008.08.04 08:04:00 - [93] i start eve and it says it is an incompatable build so i look for a new pach and my current version is 59494 but there is no pach for this can u plz help me?
RFD commander	Posted - 2008.08.04 08:05:00 - [94] this is on ssi client
Azilia Nefetti	Posted - 2008.08.04 11:08:00 - [95] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer I have some more news about the mirror: the person in Operations who is in charge of moving the database copy over to the Singularity network is on vacation and won't be back until next Monday. So the mirror will not be this week, unfortunately. One person to do this? erm, would suck if he got ran over by a bus. ccp would be runnin around the office and all the servers would blow up. Sort it out.
Innoculii	Posted - 2008.08.04 12:22:00 - [96] Originally by: Hari Sel'don Originally by: Bronson Hughes Originally by: Hari Sel'don Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer I have some more news about the mirror: the person in Operations who is in charge of moving the database copy over to the Singularity network is on vacation and won't be back until next Monday. So the mirror will not be this week, unfortunately. Copying and pasting must be so difficult for someone untrained. Ask the janitor to push the five necessary keys instead Yes, but the Janitor doesn't know the passwords necessary to log onto the database servers.... Give him the passwords then lol It's kind of sad, really... The Devs don't update SiSi for the sake of you sorry lot, they update it for the sole purpose of testing the stability and functionality of the newest patch in progress. As for the mirrors - this is a part of the testing process. Mind you, the option to go on SiSi is completely optional, and the fact is, that not alot of people have the privilege to actually test new patches. My point being, don't flame the devs for not being there to service you every second, they've got a job to do, and you're only a hindrance to them when you flame them. Don't take SiSi for granted buddy, you're lucky CCP hasn't shut off access to the public entirely. Pardon, if i hurt your feelings by the way, that was not the intention.
Lionel Redstar	Posted - 2008.08.04 13:02:00 - [97] ^^^ that. PPL, stop whine because the mirror is delayed 1 week. FFS, it's not like the sky will fall. If you don't have anything constructive to post than DON'T. This was supose to be a developement thread, see the CAOD area for whine.
Hari Sel'don Gallente Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.04 14:42:00 - [98] Originally by: Innoculii Originally by: Hari Sel'don Originally by: Bronson Hughes Originally by: Hari Sel'don Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer I have some more news about the mirror: the person in Operations who is in charge of moving the database copy over to the Singularity network is on vacation and won't be back until next Monday. So the mirror will not be this week, unfortunately. Copying and pasting must be so difficult for someone untrained. Ask the janitor to push the five necessary keys instead Yes, but the Janitor doesn't know the passwords necessary to log onto the database servers.... Give him the passwords then lol It's kind of sad, really... The Devs don't update SiSi for the sake of you sorry lot, they update it for the sole purpose of testing the stability and functionality of the newest patch in progress. As for the mirrors - this is a part of the testing process. Mind you, the option to go on SiSi is completely optional, and the fact is, that not alot of people have the privilege to actually test new patches. My point being, don't flame the devs for not being there to service you every second, they've got a job to do, and you're only a hindrance to them when you flame them. Don't take SiSi for granted buddy, you're lucky CCP hasn't shut off access to the public entirely. Pardon, if i hurt your feelings by the way, that was not the intention. Its kind of sad that you would bother to write that all out. Plus it would be nice if you learnt how to use a comma :)
Innoculii	Posted - 2008.08.04 16:06:00 - [99] Originally by: Hari Sel'don Originally by: Innoculii Originally by: Hari Sel'don Originally by: Bronson Hughes Originally by: Hari Sel'don Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer I have some more news about the mirror: the person in Operations who is in charge of moving the database copy over to the Singularity network is on vacation and won't be back until next Monday. So the mirror will not be this week, unfortunately. Copying and pasting must be so difficult for someone untrained. Ask the janitor to push the five necessary keys instead Yes, but the Janitor doesn't know the passwords necessary to log onto the database servers.... Give him the passwords then lol It's kind of sad, really... The Devs don't update SiSi for the sake of you sorry lot, they update it for the sole purpose of testing the stability and functionality of the newest patch in progress. As for the mirrors - this is a part of the testing process. Mind you, the option to go on SiSi is completely optional, and the fact is, that not alot of people have the privilege to actually test new patches. My point being, don't flame the devs for not being there to service you every second, they've got a job to do, and you're only a hindrance to them when you flame them. Don't take SiSi for granted buddy, you're lucky CCP hasn't shut off access to the public entirely. Pardon, if i hurt your feelings by the way, that was not the intention. Its kind of sad that you would bother to write that all out. Plus it would be nice if you learnt how to use a comma :) I'm danish, any imperfections is to be expected, good sir.
RFD commander	Posted - 2008.08.04 16:45:00 - [100] so next week there will be a mirror?
Hari Sel'don Gallente Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.04 19:01:00 - [101] Originally by: RFD commander so next week there will be a mirror? Hopefully within a few days :)
Luma Rahl Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat	Posted - 2008.08.04 20:19:00 - [102] How about this for a good reason to mirror the server... I want to help test these great new upcoming changes, and it be most efficient to do so with my latest skillset Seriously, tho - is it THAT hard to mirror the server? And what's with the conflicting info from the devs? One guy is responsible but he's on vacation, or "everyone" else is busy and preoccupied... which is it?
Nuri Aderynn Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.08.05 02:01:00 - [103] Edited by: Nuri Aderynn on 05/08/2008 02:01:44 (edit - flame reconsidered)
Murk Loar Caldari The Ex-Patriots	Posted - 2008.08.05 03:39:00 - [104] On a sidenote...anyone getting the 5 second startup loop right now?Mirror in action perhaps?
Hari Sel'don Gallente Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.05 11:52:00 - [105] Originally by: Murk Loar On a sidenote...anyone getting the 5 second startup loop right now?Mirror in action perhaps? Another patch and still the same mirror
Innoculii	Posted - 2008.08.05 13:38:00 - [106] Originally by: Luma Rahl How about this for a good reason to mirror the server... I want to help test these great new upcoming changes, and it be most efficient to do so with my latest skillset Seriously, tho - is it THAT hard to mirror the server? And what's with the conflicting info from the devs? One guy is responsible but he's on vacation, or "everyone" else is busy and preoccupied... which is it? It's both, the guy in charge of mirrors is on vacation, and everyone else is busy with other things.
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:09:00 - [107] Originally by: Innoculii Originally by: Luma Rahl How about this for a good reason to mirror the server... I want to help test these great new upcoming changes, and it be most efficient to do so with my latest skillset Seriously, tho - is it THAT hard to mirror the server? And what's with the conflicting info from the devs? One guy is responsible but he's on vacation, or "everyone" else is busy and preoccupied... which is it? It's both, the guy in charge of mirrors is on vacation, and everyone else is busy with other things. Afaik the guy in charge came back today. With some luck we might have it by tomorrow or thursday.
Hari Sel'don Gallente Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:25:00 - [108] Originally by: verde bandit Originally by: Innoculii Originally by: Luma Rahl How about this for a good reason to mirror the server... I want to help test these great new upcoming changes, and it be most efficient to do so with my latest skillset Seriously, tho - is it THAT hard to mirror the server? And what's with the conflicting info from the devs? One guy is responsible but he's on vacation, or "everyone" else is busy and preoccupied... which is it? It's both, the guy in charge of mirrors is on vacation, and everyone else is busy with other things. Afaik the guy in charge came back today. With some luck we might have it by tomorrow or thursday. Actually the guy was meant to be back on Monday, so really we should have a new mirror by now according to the mirror time estimates given by CCP.
Innoculii	Posted - 2008.08.05 20:02:00 - [109] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer We will try to put a new mirror on Singularity this week. To answer the question above, yes, it would be possible to make an incremental periodical update between the two databases, however it is not feasible for us. I'm going to explain a bit how the mirroring process works and why we have to prune the database we deploy on the public test servers before. A full backup of the Tranquility database is made periodically and stored on a server. That database is then copied onto Singularity or Multiplicity - the process takes around 7 hours. The copied database is then pruned in order to remove starbases and the moon minerals scrambled. This is done to prevent scouting on the test server of starbase locations and moon resources. The database is further edited with the following: * ETC accounts are edited so that they do not expire when the ETC payment runs out. * All accounts are voice enabled. * Agent memory is removed (standings and loyalty points). * S&I jobs are removed (this is done in order to prevent starbase S&I jobs from being stuck. * The market is seeded so that all market items cost 100 ISK and are in plentiful supply. At least one station per constellation is market seeded like this. * Other adjustments for our internal use. This process takes around 4 hours, then the database is deployed on the Singularity server. Depending on possible complications with the database copying, editing or with the server starting up after the database is deployed, the whole process can take up to 2 days. I hope this answers your questions. Oh, really?
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.08.05 20:53:00 - [110] Originally by: Hari Sel'don Originally by: verde bandit Afaik the guy in charge came back today. With some luck we might have it by tomorrow or thursday. Actually the guy was meant to be back on Monday, so really we should have a new mirror by now according to the mirror time estimates given by CCP. 1¦) There's nowhere I can find they've promised it'll appear this week. 2¦) Monday was a work-free day in Iceland.
Luma Rahl Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat	Posted - 2008.08.05 21:20:00 - [111] Originally by: verde bandit 1¦) There's nowhere I can find they've promised it'll appear this week. 2¦) Monday was a work-free day in Iceland. Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer We will try to put a new mirror on Singularity this week. Promised, no. Said they would "try to", yes. Semantics to a certain degree, obviously. I'll continue to wait and hope for the best :)
Hari Sel'don Gallente Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.06 00:28:00 - [112] Originally by: Innoculii Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer We will try to put a new mirror on Singularity this week. To answer the question above, yes, it would be possible to make an incremental periodical update between the two databases, however it is not feasible for us. I'm going to explain a bit how the mirroring process works and why we have to prune the database we deploy on the public test servers before. A full backup of the Tranquility database is made periodically and stored on a server. That database is then copied onto Singularity or Multiplicity - the process takes around 7 hours. The copied database is then pruned in order to remove starbases and the moon minerals scrambled. This is done to prevent scouting on the test server of starbase locations and moon resources. The database is further edited with the following: * ETC accounts are edited so that they do not expire when the ETC payment runs out. * All accounts are voice enabled. * Agent memory is removed (standings and loyalty points). * S&I jobs are removed (this is done in order to prevent starbase S&I jobs from being stuck. * The market is seeded so that all market items cost 100 ISK and are in plentiful supply. At least one station per constellation is market seeded like this. * Other adjustments for our internal use. This process takes around 4 hours, then the database is deployed on the Singularity server. Depending on possible complications with the database copying, editing or with the server starting up after the database is deployed, the whole process can take up to 2 days. I hope this answers your questions. Oh, really? Yes, really. As CCP said "the whole process can take up to 2 days", it has been two days, however since I dont reside in Iceland I was not aware that Monday was not a working day.
Innoculii	Posted - 2008.08.06 09:32:00 - [113] Mind you, Hari, i've never known anyone who as soon as they got home from vacation started working.
Arkale Dark Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.06 11:27:00 - [114] The test server is primarily for the devs and ccp to test the new patchs and the new systems that they will put into places in TQ , it is not primarily for people to go on for "Quick PVP" and if you want to test setups use "EFT" if your not happy that you dont have your current skills on the test server. So stop whining and be patient.
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.08.06 12:16:00 - [115] Edited by: verde bandit on 06/08/2008 12:20:31 Could some people stop fracking moralizing others ? We all know the purposes of doing a mirror or not. Maybe you could open your eyes and try to see farther than your nose and understand that if people ask for a new mirror, there are some reasons for it. @Innoculii : I don't think he drove home on Tuesday morning and instantly landed on his chair at CCP... People who leave on vacations usually come back home 2-3 days before the vacations end to take their working pace of life back.
Myra2007 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.06 12:35:00 - [116] Originally by: Arkale Dark The test server is primarily for the devs and ccp to test the new patchs and the new systems that they will put into places in TQ , it is not primarily for people to go on for "Quick PVP" and if you want to test setups use "EFT" if your not happy that you dont have your current skills on the test server. So stop whining and be patient. Yeah seriously. Get a grip people. Its not like you've been asked to test the changes on sisi to give feedback because of all the unforeseen consequences. Just let the devs play their sisi game and don't bother testing. This man knows it all. Originally by: CCP Nozh Thus, we urge you to log onto Singularity [...] to give them a spin and spare us no feedback or thoughts on these issues.
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.08.06 12:52:00 - [117] Edited by: verde bandit on 06/08/2008 12:54:51 I recently traded my character on TQ. As a matter of fact I don't have my new TQ char on Sisi I still have my old one. So I can't test fittings I could use on TQ, as the new char is Amarr and the old one Gallente. And I'd rather test out fittings where there's no risk of losing too much ISK than trying on TQ and lose it all. No, it has nothing to do with bug reporting or such ( which is still to be proven as I might find a bug doing so ). Yes, it's still one of Sisi's purposes to allow players to find and try out setups corresponding to that player's gameplay. ( That'ts what FFA and BF are for )
Vaelastra Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner	Posted - 2008.08.06 17:51:00 - [118] then plz dont promise that a mirror will be done in the last week ...
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.08.06 18:08:00 - [119] Originally by: Vaelastra then plz dont promise that a mirror will be done in the last week ... Where did he promised anything ? He only said "they'll TRY" to get one last week. And that's actually partially right, as afaik the database copy is done already. The only need now is that Deployment Dept (iirc) edits the copy as Oneiro said and puts it on Sisi. So if you wanna rabble against someone, do it against Deployment :p
Sweet Rosella	Posted - 2008.08.07 08:52:00 - [120] How many CCP employee's does it take to replace a light bulb
ranna sleeper Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.08.07 09:25:00 - [121] Originally by: Sweet Rosella How many CCP employee's does it take to replace a light bulb 5. 4 to post on the forums explaining why it's taken longer then expected and 1 to actually DO IT -------------------- (thanks to fragito for the sig) please note my comments and thoughts are my own and
RFD commander	Posted - 2008.08.07 10:27:00 - [122] so we should hav a new mirror by monday? latest wednsday?
Grarr Dexx Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.08.07 11:10:00 - [123] How old are you, RFD? I'd like to make a comment that is worthy of your age.
FugginNutz Caldari Peekaboo I See You Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.08 14:54:00 - [124] Edited by: FugginNutz on 08/08/2008 14:54:49 Devs, I'll help you out here...I'll even email you a batch file to automate it for ya. 1. Go to C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\Tranquility\AllSkills\ 2. Select all, then Copy. 3. Go to C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\Singularity\AllSkills\ 3. Paste. Overwrite all files? Yes plz... 4. Reboot. Soon-ishÖ
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.08.08 15:47:00 - [125] Edited by: verde bandit on 08/08/2008 15:47:15 Originally by: FugginNutz Devs, I'll help you out here...I'll even email you a batch file to automate it for ya. 1. Go to C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\Tranquility\AllSkills\ 2. Select all, then Copy. 3. Go to C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\Singularity\AllSkills\ 3. Paste. Overwrite all files? Yes plz... 4. Reboot. Soon-ishÖ You clearly didn't read what Oneiromancer posted earlier in the thread, that's why you don't have the tiniest clue of what you're talking about... As Oneiro said, mirror != skills. They need a COMPLETE Tranquility database copy to get a stable base to work on. Afaik : - Operations Dept do the backup and copy it onto Singularity network. - Deployment Dept prune that copy to edit a lot of things Oneiro also mentionned ( ETC accounts changes so they don't expire, wipe out all POS warfare, seed the market with all those oh-so-loved 100 isk items, eventually implement previous mirror's capital ship building queues so the work done from it doesn't get lost, etc, etc ). TQ and Sisi aren't on the same computer, which would have been EVE Offline since Day 1. They're not even on the same network. So for once find informations when you're trying to troll/flame to make it at least decent, and not that kind of clueless bullsh*t.
FugginNutz Caldari Peekaboo I See You Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.08 15:51:00 - [126] Originally by: verde bandit Edited by: verde bandit on 08/08/2008 15:47:15 Originally by: FugginNutz Devs, I'll help you out here...I'll even email you a batch file to automate it for ya. 1. Go to C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\Tranquility\AllSkills\ 2. Select all, then Copy. 3. Go to C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\Singularity\AllSkills\ 3. Paste. Overwrite all files? Yes plz... 4. Reboot. Soon-ishÖ You clearly didn't read what Oneiromancer posted earlier in the thread, that's why you don't have the tiniest clue of what you're talking about... As Oneiro said, mirror != skills. They need a COMPLETE Tranquility database copy to get a stable base to work on. Afaik : - Operations Dept do the backup and copy it onto Singularity network. - Deployment Dept prune that copy to edit a lot of things Oneiro also mentionned ( ETC accounts changes so they don't expire, wipe out all POS warfare, seed the market with all those oh-so-loved 100 isk items, eventually implement previous mirror's capital ship building queues so the work done from it doesn't get lost, etc, etc ). TQ and Sisi aren't on the same computer, which would have been EVE Offline since Day 1. They're not even on the same network. So for once find informations when you're trying to troll/flame to make it at least decent, and not that kind of clueless bullsh*t. Dude....wtf you being so uptight for? When was the last time you got some lovin? You obviously missed my wink emoticon.
Archetype02 Gallente Comply Or Die	Posted - 2008.08.08 15:56:00 - [127] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer We will try to put a new mirror on Singularity this week. To answer the question above, yes, it would be possible to make an incremental periodical update between the two databases, however it is not feasible for us. I'm going to explain a bit how the mirroring process works and why we have to prune the database we deploy on the public test servers before. A full backup of the Tranquility database is made periodically and stored on a server. That database is then copied onto Singularity or Multiplicity - the process takes around 7 hours. The copied database is then pruned in order to remove starbases and the moon minerals scrambled. This is done to prevent scouting on the test server of starbase locations and moon resources. The database is further edited with the following: * ETC accounts are edited so that they do not expire when the ETC payment runs out. * All accounts are voice enabled. * Agent memory is removed (standings and loyalty points). * S&I jobs are removed (this is done in order to prevent starbase S&I jobs from being stuck. * The market is seeded so that all market items cost 100 ISK and are in plentiful supply. At least one station per constellation is market seeded like this. * Other adjustments for our internal use. This process takes around 4 hours, then the database is deployed on the Singularity server. Depending on possible complications with the database copying, editing or with the server starting up after the database is deployed, the whole process can take up to 2 days. I hope this answers your questions. make a single mirror maxing every1's skill it only needs to be done once every year to accomidate new players.. thanks.. this also gives people the option to test EVERYTHING not just what they have trained for thus making it a more viable way to actualy test things.
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.08.08 16:09:00 - [128] Originally by: Archetype02 make a single mirror maxing every1's skill it only needs to be done once every year to accomidate new players.. thanks.. this also gives people the option to test EVERYTHING not just what they have trained for thus making it a more viable way to actualy test things. CCP need feedback from things tested with different skillsets. If every feedback report they'd get was from ALL Level V skilled pilots it'd be pretty useless.
Ragieza	Posted - 2008.08.08 18:07:00 - [129] Guys careful, CCP employers brains will blow up. remember they use hamsters to run the servers. imagion what they are, guinea pigs? ccp sort it out seriously. if ur gonna release a big patch like this atleast update the skills before u put it on otherwise u aint gonna get people being able to test it out fully meaning its pointless, and the people who r doin it, are quite sad to repeat the same skills they get on TQ flame me if u wish. i aint gonna waste my time trainin skills on 2 different servers the exact same time. whats the point . think smart ccp, think smart! mirror update same as patch = happy customers = more testing = u can relax and eat ur peanuts while u wait for replys instead of complaints. Fail much? awaits for ccp love bird fans to point the flaws in my post because they have no life
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.08.08 20:38:00 - [130] I cant see how good nano is in my own experience due to missing skills however i can tell by the number of vagabond, ishtar, pilgrim kills that i have that this patch is pure win, and the fights to kill those suckers were the best i have had in terms of adrenaline rushes.
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.08.09 04:17:00 - [131] I propose they close down Sisi for a period of 6 months, and only allow true Bug Hunters on it. Maybe then, it would be taken for granted.
Murk Loar Caldari The Ex-Patriots	Posted - 2008.08.09 04:55:00 - [132] Originally by: Kil'Roy I propose they close down Sisi for a period of 6 months, and only allow true Bug Hunters on it. Not such a bad idea.Even if there had to be some kind of BH registration just to connect to SiSi Id still do it. On a sidenote,having max skilled players on the test server is not what CCP want people.It's 'meant' to be a reflection of the live server so all skill groups can test different things....you dont have max skills on TQ so why complain about not having them on SiSi?Okay,you may be a couple million sp behind on the test server and in a perfect world your skills would be identical to TQ everyday but it's not and complaining about it daily wont make it happen.Just be happy that they allow us on there at all. tl;dr...we're meant to be testing what we can 'really' fly/use on TQ. (And,be patient...Arma Day will happen again and we can all vent in carriers and dreads for 23 hours)
Fumunda minuts	Posted - 2008.08.09 13:44:00 - [133] Big speed changes across EVE. Please everyone go onto sisi and help us test. Give us feedback. Ok, but whats this I'm 3mill sp's short of what I have on tranq? Galli frigate 5 is not trained, most all my nav skills are not trained yet. How can I test my Ares on sisi? I can't even fly it there. Since the announced changes I've asked in forums and on SISI. I had a bug dev say it was going to be mirrored this week. Now it's too much trouble to do it? Well they did it before. With these changes affecting so many people in EVE and with all the calls for mass testing on SISI. You'd thank they'd mirror the dammed thing. Anyway I can't test my current ceptors and if I start to train the missing skills on SISI the changes will be implemented on Tranq well before my skills are trained on SISI.
Kepakh	Posted - 2008.08.09 15:49:00 - [134] If you want to help out with testing, you test with skills you have, you give feedback. No more no less. It is voluntary and a privilege, treat it like that. Testing requires no need to have same skills as on TQ. Singularity isn't there to test your fittings.
Ragieza	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:51:00 - [135] Originally by: Kepakh If you want to help out with testing, you test with skills you have, you give feedback. No more no less. It is voluntary and a privilege, treat it like that. Testing requires no need to have same skills as on TQ. Singularity isn't there to test your fittings. Okay mr i got my skills on sinq so i can say this n laugh. Im going to log onto test server and test my shiney new frig on a brand new character! oh yes. thats because i dont need skills, i can fly my frig not even fitted! well done kepakh for failing on ur witty comment. and yes it is there to test ur fittings because its a test server. u cant test ships without fits or different fits. you are a utter idiot. stay out of this topic.
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.08.09 17:03:00 - [136] Originally by: Ragieza Originally by: Kepakh If you want to help out with testing, you test with skills you have, you give feedback. No more no less. It is voluntary and a privilege, treat it like that. Testing requires no need to have same skills as on TQ. Singularity isn't there to test your fittings. Okay mr i got my skills on sinq so i can say this n laugh. Im going to log onto test server and test my shiney new frig on a brand new character! oh yes. thats because i dont need skills, i can fly my frig not even fitted! well done kepakh for failing on ur witty comment. and yes it is there to test ur fittings because its a test server. u cant test ships without fits or different fits. you are a utter idiot. stay out of this topic. Ok, so you are a Noob, so what, get used to it. So they missed their "planned" window for deploying a mirror, so what, you are not paying for this service. People demand an estimate, and when it is given and missed by unforseen circumstances, or what ever, people respond like this? I would expect such demands for answers to when mirrors will be applied will be, or should be, ignored in the future. I was kind of surprised with this one.
Ragieza	Posted - 2008.08.09 17:22:00 - [137] Originally by: Kil'Roy Originally by: Ragieza Originally by: Kepakh If you want to help out with testing, you test with skills you have, you give feedback. No more no less. It is voluntary and a privilege, treat it like that. Testing requires no need to have same skills as on TQ. Singularity isn't there to test your fittings. Okay mr i got my skills on sinq so i can say this n laugh. Im going to log onto test server and test my shiney new frig on a brand new character! oh yes. thats because i dont need skills, i can fly my frig not even fitted! well done kepakh for failing on ur witty comment. and yes it is there to test ur fittings because its a test server. u cant test ships without fits or different fits. you are a utter idiot. stay out of this topic. Ok, so you are a Noob, so what, get used to it. So they missed their "planned" window for deploying a mirror, so what, you are not paying for this service. People demand an estimate, and when it is given and missed by unforseen circumstances, or what ever, people respond like this? I would expect such demands for answers to when mirrors will be applied will be, or should be, ignored in the future. I was kind of surprised with this one. Considering ur a 07 character u cant say much urself. if u were to not have all ur updated skills on sinq from tq u would be missing out on alot of important sp. cause ur still workin on spec'ing urself out. The fact is, if a new patch as big as this comes out. the mirror should be ready straight away to be put on. i think that stands for what every 1 would think. That is all im going to say, the mirror should be ready so every 1 can participate and test. as the sq server is for testing, which ccp should for-see that. And actually we r payin for the service cause if we didnt pay we wouldnt be on the test server in the first place. its not like we could come out of nowere n be like oh yes i can go on the test server because its free, oh wait, i forgot i have to have my account topped up before the mirror update That is so free. Again, get a clue =/
Kepakh	Posted - 2008.08.09 17:58:00 - [138] Originally by: Ragieza Okay mr i got my skills on sinq so i can say this n laugh. Im going to log onto test server and test my shiney new frig on a brand new character! oh yes. thats because i dont need skills, i can fly my frig not even fitted! well done kepakh for failing on ur witty comment. and yes it is there to test ur fittings because its a test server. u cant test ships without fits or different fits. you are a utter idiot. stay out of this topic. My comment was most likely too witty for your comprehension ability... I failed, I am sorry.
Ragieza	Posted - 2008.08.09 18:14:00 - [139] Originally by: Kepakh Originally by: Ragieza Okay mr i got my skills on sinq so i can say this n laugh. Im going to log onto test server and test my shiney new frig on a brand new character! oh yes. thats because i dont need skills, i can fly my frig not even fitted! well done kepakh for failing on ur witty comment. and yes it is there to test ur fittings because its a test server. u cant test ships without fits or different fits. you are a utter idiot. stay out of this topic. My comment was most likely too witty for your comprehension ability... I failed, I am sorry. be gone! off with ur head.
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.08.09 20:53:00 - [140] Originally by: Ragieza Considering ur a 07 character u cant say much urself... You are new, you haven't heard of Forum Alts. This is just my latest... I like to be able to say anything I want, even flame those in my Alliance, without someone crying to my CEO about it. Kind of liberating, maybe I'll join a Corp that doesn't care sometime. As for you, I suggest you use the search feature for past topics regarding the test server, it might be enlightning to someone who is so new to the game. It might put your expectations a little more inline with reality, well maybe.
Ragieza	Posted - 2008.08.09 22:59:00 - [141] Originally by: Kil'Roy Originally by: Ragieza Considering ur a 07 character u cant say much urself... You are new, you haven't heard of Forum Alts. This is just my latest... I like to be able to say anything I want, even flame those in my Alliance, without someone crying to my CEO about it. Kind of liberating, maybe I'll join a Corp that doesn't care sometime. As for you, I suggest you use the search feature for past topics regarding the test server, it might be enlightning to someone who is so new to the game. It might put your expectations a little more inline with reality, well maybe. People that use forum alts to hide there identity, are cowards =] if u use a alt to hide from people in a game, what are you like in real life? You must be a right loser. Grow some balls and stop hiding. Get out there n show them you dont care. Scared of a game u pay for, you really are pathetic.
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.08.10 07:46:00 - [142] Aww, so cute. Little Noobie thinks he got a dig.
Red zeon Caldari Shades Corp The OSS	Posted - 2008.08.10 08:29:00 - [143] Ragieza, this is a very political game also, dont mather if you flame alot of people and talk shit if your not in a corp and solo mission all day in empire. but saying wrong things can lead up to annoying bullshit
Ragieza	Posted - 2008.08.10 10:20:00 - [144] Originally by: Red zeon Ragieza, this is a very political game also, dont mather if you flame alot of people and talk shit if your not in a corp and solo mission all day in empire. but saying wrong things can lead up to annoying bullshit And you think i care?
Destructor1792 Minmatar Malicious Intentions Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.10 10:34:00 - [145] Edited by: Destructor1792 on 10/08/2008 10:41:35 Current mirror date: 17th January 2008 They want us to test new changes, then mirror the server.. simple really otherwise nearly all input will be based on what tranq was like at the start of the year!! Or is that CCP's idea of accurate QA testing C'mon CCP - you've upset alot of the player base with your proposed changes & in all my time of playing, i've never seen this much anger vented towards you! - and they're not minor changes either!.. Time to let us test them with our current skills cos atm, you're being torn to shreds on not only the Eve-O forums but on alot of others as well ______________________________________ *Bringing The Fun Back* I Have No Fear, Fear is for the weak.
Kepakh	Posted - 2008.08.10 11:33:00 - [146] Originally by: Destructor1792 Edited by: Destructor1792 on 10/08/2008 10:41:35 Current mirror date: 17th January 2008 They want us to test new changes, then mirror the server.. simple really otherwise nearly all input will be based on what tranq was like at the start of the year!! Or is that CCP's idea of accurate QA testing C'mon CCP - you've upset alot of the player base with your proposed changes & in all my time of playing, i've never seen this much anger vented towards you! - and they're not minor changes either!.. Time to let us test them with our current skills cos atm, you're being torn to shreds on not only the Eve-O forums but on alot of others as well I have to admit forums ain't well moderated... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=46836 Posted - 2003.12.09 16:02:00 - [1] (Updated on May 26, 2008 by CCP Tanis.) Current Singularity mirror: A new mirror to Singularity has been applied to Singularity on May 20th, 2008. The mirror was taken on May 5th.
Destructor1792 Minmatar Malicious Intentions Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.10 11:56:00 - [147] Edited by: Destructor1792 on 10/08/2008 11:59:47 Originally by: Kepakh I have to admit forums ain't well moderated... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=46836 Posted - 2003.12.09 16:02:00 - [1] (Updated on May 26, 2008 by CCP Tanis.) Current Singularity mirror: A new mirror to Singularity has been applied to Singularity on May 20th, 2008. The mirror was taken on May 5th. K - well i took the jan date from the very 1st post on this thread which is why i voiced my concerns but that'll teach me for not checking the post date . However, even if the latest was on may 5th that is still over 3 months old!! Lots can be skilled for in that amount of time. ______________________________________ *Bringing The Fun Back* I Have No Fear, Fear is for the weak.
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.08.10 12:02:00 - [148] you know you can always just skill your characters up simultaneously on both servers right? Hell you can even spec for command ship on SISI while training for t2 bs weapons on TQ... Sure that sp is lost when mirror happens, but hey your TQ stuff gets imported. Win Win situation imo. See the problem with whiners is that they dont look for solutions, they want the solutions to find them, or devs to bend over backwards. tbh whiners need to be ignored until they understand this.
Destructor1792 Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2008.08.10 12:52:00 - [149] Originally by: rValdez5987 you know you can always just skill your characters up simultaneously on both servers right? Hell you can even spec for command ship on SISI while training for t2 bs weapons on TQ... Sure that sp is lost when mirror happens, but hey your TQ stuff gets imported. Win Win situation imo. See the problem with whiners is that they dont look for solutions, they want the solutions to find them, or devs to bend over backwards. tbh whiners need to be ignored until they understand this. And you do know that people use the test server once in a while when new stuff is released!! Seems the only whiner here is "YOU"(judging by your troll comments in other threads!) And If they want people to test New Content then it is up to them to make sure that the test server is as up to date as possible Here's a little example for you: You want to buy & try out the latest game instore for your pc? "Hey, soz, but we've only got a PC which is around 6 months old... best upgrade it yourself then come back and test the game" That is the analogy of your comment!! ______________________________________ *Bringing The Fun Back* I Have No Fear, Fear is for the weak.
Kepakh	Posted - 2008.08.10 13:57:00 - [150] Originally by: Destructor1792 And you do know that people use the test server once in a while when new stuff is released!! Seems the only whiner here is "YOU"(judging by your troll comments in other threads!) And If they want people to test New Content then it is up to them to make sure that the test server is as up to date as possible Here's a little example for you: You want to buy & try out the latest game instore for your pc? "Hey, soz, but we've only got a PC which is around 6 months old... best upgrade it yourself then come back and test the game" That is the analogy of your comment!! You do not need to have same skills as you currently have on TQ to test new content. Skills are rather irrelevant, there are other players who will test out with diffrent skill sets. As said above, having different skills from TQ can be considered as advantage. You can train skills and ships you would not train on TQ normaly. Logging Sisi occasionaly only and complaining about low skills afterwards is truly ridiculous. You do not pay CCP to work for you on test server, you work for them.
Destructor1792 Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2008.08.10 14:44:00 - [151] Edited by: Destructor1792 on 10/08/2008 14:47:08 Originally by: Kepakh You do not need to have same skills as you currently have on TQ to test new content. Skills are rather irrelevant, there are other players who will test out with diffrent skill sets. As said above, having different skills from TQ can be considered as advantage. You can train skills and ships you would not train on TQ normaly. Logging Sisi occasionaly only and complaining about low skills afterwards is truly ridiculous. You do not pay CCP to work for you on test server, you work for them. Another troll Why do I pay money to play ? hmmm ? And stop trying to drag another reason into this.. The reason we want an update is due to major changes.. If i wanted to learn how to fly something else then sure, log onto sisi and train up that skill yet this isn't then reason behind this thread.. Originally by: Kepakh Skills are rather irrelevant Probably the stupidest comment I've seen so far when testing new content or changes to current content Tell ya what, we're reset all your skills, bring out major changes that require testing then sit back and laugh as you complain on the forums that you can't give the changes a true test because half your skills are missing!! It really is time for people to Grow up and post constructively, not leaving stupid little troll comments with no reasoning behind "said" trolls //angry mode off ______________________________________ *Bringing The Fun Back* I Have No Fear, Fear is for the weak.
Kepakh	Posted - 2008.08.10 15:14:00 - [152] Originally by: Destructor1792 Edited by: Destructor1792 on 10/08/2008 14:47:08 //angry mode off Now, turn your //I use my brain mode on, please. You do not pay for test server, it is a privilege. CCP is not obliged to allow you test server access for monthly subscription you pay. You are invited there to help out with testing. Changes affect everyone, no matter of skills or ships you fly therefore every skill set is contributing to testing results the same way as perfect skills set. If it is not entertaining for you, don't log in there. Test server isn't there to provide you fun.
Destructor1792 Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2008.08.10 15:55:00 - [153] Originally by: Kepakh [Now, turn your //I use my brain mode on, please. You do not pay for test server, it is a privilege. CCP is not obliged to allow you test server access for monthly subscription you pay. You are invited there to help out with testing. Changes affect everyone, no matter of skills or ships you fly therefore every skill set is contributing to testing results the same way as perfect skills set. If it is not entertaining for you, don't log in there. Test server isn't there to provide you fun. WTF - u a dev alt or summit ? Why are we invited there to test ? BECAUSE otherwise they'd have no idea what sort of impact changes would have. And how are we supposed to test any new changes to current gameplay if our skill tree isn't up to date ? All these shiny ships u like.. guess what.. I (along with hundreds of others) helped test them.. new patches & content.. yep, we also helped test those out as well!! And guess what - with each change, they mirrored the server so we were pretty much up to date. Heck, on a couple of occassions, they actually maxed out are skills so the testing could be done quicker. SO STOP shooting yourself in the foot by saying skills are irrelevant! If they weren't then DUN DUN DUNNN.. we could all fit & fly whatever we wanted so quit being a troll, use your brain and stop trying to derail another post. You Lot wanted the nano changes, & now they've been released on sisi, you *** and whine when everyone asks for their current skills to be mirrored over.. Why ? because we'll get to see 1st hand the difference between TQ and sisi & how much of a difference the changes really do make to our play styles. Instead, we have to waste a month or two re-training skills we already trained up on TQ just to get an idea of what effect the changes are really going to have! And this is down to a 5hr brainstorm with the changes released a few days later!!! This is not new ships or modules which everyone has to train - this is current modules which everyone uses And then guess what - just when you've got yourself on par with TQ skills they'll release the changes so you never got to test them properly live. So your argument fails on why not to mirror the server with the current planned changes ______________________________________ Bringing The Fun Back** I Have No Fear, Fear is for the weak.
Grarr Dexx Amarr Avenging United	Posted - 2008.08.10 17:45:00 - [154] You pay to play on Tranquility. The fact that you are allowed to play on a whole secondary server practically for free (to bug hunt, not to test your nerfed nano***got setups) should never be taken for granted.
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.08.11 00:48:00 - [155] Originally by: Grarr Dexx (to bug hunt, not to test your nerfed nano***got setups) Testing Nano-setups are part of the bug hunting, to actually check if the changes work as intented :)
Grarr Dexx Amarr Avenging United	Posted - 2008.08.11 01:45:00 - [156] There's plenty of people who already have those skills on the test server, we don't really need another one tbqfh
Hari Sel'don Gallente Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:26:00 - [157] To be honest we pay a considerable amount of money to pay on Tranquility per month and personally I believe that we deserve to have a test server to allow us to test patch releases before they are released in order to increase the quality of gameplay on the live server. It is technically a privilege however we pay for Singularity just as much as Tranquility! I think it is ridiculous that it takes CCP two weeks to put a new mirror on Singularity.
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:28:00 - [158] Originally by: Hari Sel'don To be honest we pay a considerable amount of money to pay on Tranquility per month and personally I believe that we deserve to have a test server to allow us to test patch releases before they are released in order to increase the quality of gameplay on the live server. It is technically a privilege however we pay for Singularity just as much as Tranquility! I think it is ridiculous that it takes CCP two weeks to put a new mirror on Singularity. Do you guys realize we're on Summer vacations ?
Hari Sel'don Gallente Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:40:00 - [159] Originally by: verde bandit Originally by: Hari Sel'don To be honest we pay a considerable amount of money to pay on Tranquility per month and personally I believe that we deserve to have a test server to allow us to test patch releases before they are released in order to increase the quality of gameplay on the live server. It is technically a privilege however we pay for Singularity just as much as Tranquility! I think it is ridiculous that it takes CCP two weeks to put a new mirror on Singularity. Do you guys realize we're on Summer vacations ? I believe that over two weeks for a mirror is pretty ridiculous, one week would be acceptable since a mirror should take two days according to CCP.
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:03:00 - [160] Originally by: verde bandit Originally by: Hari Sel'don To be honest we pay a considerable amount of money to pay on Tranquility per month and personally I believe that we deserve to have a test server to allow us to test patch releases before they are released in order to increase the quality of gameplay on the live server. It is technically a privilege however we pay for Singularity just as much as Tranquility! I think it is ridiculous that it takes CCP two weeks to put a new mirror on Singularity. Do you guys realize we're on Summer vacations ? Dev alt spotted.... -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Hari Sel'don Gallente Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.11 18:21:00 - [161] Originally by: Bronson Hughes Originally by: verde bandit Originally by: Hari Sel'don To be honest we pay a considerable amount of money to pay on Tranquility per month and personally I believe that we deserve to have a test server to allow us to test patch releases before they are released in order to increase the quality of gameplay on the live server. It is technically a privilege however we pay for Singularity just as much as Tranquility! I think it is ridiculous that it takes CCP two weeks to put a new mirror on Singularity. Do you guys realize we're on Summer vacations ? Dev alt spotted.... Haha, maybe instead of commenting on my posts he should sort the mirror out.
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.08.11 19:04:00 - [162] Edited by: verde bandit on 11/08/2008 19:04:28 Originally by: Bronson Hughes Dev alt spotted.... If you say so. It's been twice now I've been "spotted" in this thread so I guess I'lll get used to it.
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild	Posted - 2008.08.11 19:47:00 - [163] Edited by: Bronson Hughes on 11/08/2008 19:47:35 Originally by: verde bandit Edited by: verde bandit on 11/08/2008 19:04:28 Originally by: Bronson Hughes Dev alt spotted.... If you say so. It's been twice now I've been "spotted" in this thread so I guess I'lll get used to it. Well, stop talking about yourself as if you're a CCP staffer (i.e. 'we're on Summer vacation' when talking about CCP not getting the mirror done) and I'll consider it. If you're not a CCP staffer's alt, you're at least from Iceland and refering to the fact that most Icelanders are on summer vacation. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Ferocious FeAr THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.08.11 20:27:00 - [164] Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 11/08/2008 20:31:08 Originally by: Kepakh Originally by: Destructor1792 Edited by: Destructor1792 on 10/08/2008 14:47:08 //angry mode off Now, turn your //I use my brain mode on, please. You do not pay for test server, it is a privilege. CCP is not obliged to allow you test server access for monthly subscription you pay. You are invited there to help out with testing. Changes affect everyone, no matter of skills or ships you fly therefore every skill set is contributing to testing results the same way as perfect skills set. If it is not entertaining for you, don't log in there. Test server isn't there to provide you fun. To be fair, allowing us to test minimize their labor costs drastically. Not saying that its a bad way to do things but I believe your perception of the test server is wrong. Say what you wish but when they want people to test bugs yet they don't announce what needs to be tested when they release their incremental patches ....it tends to get frustrating. Don't hate me, learn to love me
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.08.11 23:02:00 - [165] Edited by: verde bandit on 11/08/2008 23:03:54 Originally by: Bronson Hughes Well, stop talking about yourself as if you're a CCP staffer (i.e. 'we're on Summer vacation' when talking about CCP not getting the mirror done) and I'll consider it. If you're not a CCP staffer's alt, you're at least from Iceland and refering to the fact that most Icelanders are on summer vacation. We, "guys", the community, my country, the WHOLE FRACKING CIVILIZED WORLD is on Summer Vacations for Christ's sake are you just stupid or are you trying to flame on purpose ? And if I was a Dev's alt, I'll probably get your account banned some days for ****ing a Dev's alt off.
Myra2007 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.11 23:31:00 - [166] Originally by: verde bandit the WHOLE FRACKING CIVILIZED WORLD is on Summer Vacations for Christ's sake are you just stupid or are you trying to flame on purpose ? 1) No, it's not. 2) The people who are responsible for the sisi patches are apparently not on vacation. The dude that does the mirrors returned last week on monday from what we know. So how is it even remotely an issue that you are on summer vacation?
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.08.11 23:55:00 - [167] Edited by: verde bandit on 11/08/2008 23:56:18 Originally by: Myra2007 1) No, it's not. 2) The people who are responsible for the sisi patches are apparently not on vacation. The dude that does the mirrors returned last week on monday from what we know. So how is it even remotely an issue that you are on summer vacation? The guy in charge of the copy is part of Operations Department, while the editing work is done by Deployment. Maybe some Deployment people are on vacations ? Are we going to debate that argument for 2 pages to prove me I'm wrong ?
Myra2007 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.12 00:15:00 - [168] Originally by: verde bandit The guy in charge of the copy is part of Operations Department, while the editing work is done by Deployment. Maybe some Deployment people are on vacations ? Yes, maybe they are. Or maybe they are not? I don't know and apparently you don't either. I am sure ccp has good reasons why they couldn't do the mirror yet. I just don't believe you should be lecturing people about them. Originally by: verde bandit Are we going to debate that argument for 2 pages to prove me I'm wrong ? I might just ask you the very same question. Anyway my point stands and i am outta here.
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.08.12 00:52:00 - [169] Edited by: verde bandit on 12/08/2008 00:52:07 Originally by: Myra2007 I just don't believe you should be lecturing people about them. What did you just do exactly ?
Atiro Kali Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:51:00 - [170] Umm... Sorry to get us back on subject but does anyone know when is the next mirror gonna be? Dev-miesters wanna hook us up so we can go frolic in ur beautiful lil playground?
Luma Rahl Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat	Posted - 2008.08.12 02:57:00 - [171] Originally by: Atiro Kali Umm... Sorry to get us back on subject but does anyone know when is the next mirror gonna be? Two weeks ago
Lionel Redstar	Posted - 2008.08.12 07:02:00 - [172] I wonder what would had heapend if the mirror were not announced: -the ppl didn't knew about it -the CCP stuff could do it without being ***ed about it -no more stupid non-dev posts on a dev forum So CCP I hope you learned you lesson: DON'T ANNOUNCE THE MIRROR BEFORE if you don't wanna be ***ed. Kids, grow up and learn to be patience, you'll soon gonna find out that things done in a hurry are not always so good.
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.08.12 09:36:00 - [173] Originally by: Lionel Redstar I wonder what would had heapend if the mirror were not announced: -the ppl didn't knew about it -the CCP stuff could do it without being ***ed about it -no more stupid non-dev posts on a dev forum So CCP I hope you learned you lesson: DON'T ANNOUNCE THE MIRROR BEFORE if you don't wanna be ***ed. Kids, grow up and learn to be patience, you'll soon gonna find out that things done in a hurry are not always so good. Yep, plus, I still think they should just close Sisi down to the general public for at least 6 months, and teach some "kids" a lesson.
Hari Sel'don Gallente Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:22:00 - [174] Originally by: Kil'Roy Originally by: Lionel Redstar I wonder what would had heapend if the mirror were not announced: -the ppl didn't knew about it -the CCP stuff could do it without being ***ed about it -no more stupid non-dev posts on a dev forum So CCP I hope you learned you lesson: DON'T ANNOUNCE THE MIRROR BEFORE if you don't wanna be ***ed. Kids, grow up and learn to be patience, you'll soon gonna find out that things done in a hurry are not always so good. Yep, plus, I still think they should just close Sisi down to the general public for at least 6 months, and teach some "kids" a lesson. CCP cannot afford to close down Sisi for even a few months mate, if they did close down the server then they would have to hire a team of 100+ people to simply test the new content. Allowing the public to test the new patches for them drastically decreases labour costs and allows the content to be thoroughly tested before being released onto the live server.
Hari Sel'don Gallente Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:45:00 - [175] By the way guys a new mirror is being put on Sisi as we speak :)
Pbs Pumpkin Scissors	Posted - 2008.08.12 11:06:00 - [176] Edited by: Pbs on 12/08/2008 11:07:39 Vrotmnenogi! А new mirror! PS: And Sisi is down... Wake up, Sisi, Matrix has you...
Talon7649 The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.08.12 11:36:00 - [177] oooh, im getting all giddy like a little girl
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.08.12 11:55:00 - [178] Originally by: Hari Sel'don CCP cannot afford to close down Sisi for even a few months mate, if they did close down the server then they would have to hire a team of 100+ people to simply test the new content. Allowing the public to test the new patches for them drastically decreases labour costs and allows the content to be thoroughly tested before being released onto the live server. I am certain that they could find enough "volenteers" from the community to test all their new content as needed. Volenteers who wouldn't go crying their little hearts out because a new mirror wasn't promptly put on Sisi. And it wouldn't cost them a dime, other than setting up a system to only allow "Certified" testers onto Sisi. Probably save them a lot of headaches, due to childish behavior, on and off Sisi.
Jamie Hara Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.12 12:54:00 - [179] Originally by: Kil'Roy I am certain that they could find enough "volenteers" from the community to test all their new content as needed. Volenteers who wouldn't go crying their little hearts out because a new mirror wasn't promptly put on Sisi. And it wouldn't cost them a dime, other than setting up a system to only allow "Certified" testers onto Sisi. Probably save them a lot of headaches, due to childish behavior, on and off Sisi. Well it's a good thing that CCP aren't affected by crying on and off the forums as much as you are or they would have severely worsened their testing procedures.
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild	Posted - 2008.08.12 13:09:00 - [180] Originally by: verde bandit We, "guys", the community, my country, the WHOLE FRACKING CIVILIZED WORLD is on Summer Vacations for Christ's sake are you just stupid or are you trying to flame on purpose ? And if I was a Dev's alt, I'll probably get your account banned some days for ***ing a Dev's alt off. I'm really not trying to flame in any manner, just pointing out something that I noticed and trying to be funny about it. Sorry if I offended you. Oh, for the record, it's not summer in the southern hemisphere. I hear they're very upset by not being considered part of the 'whole fracking civilized world'. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne*
Kepakh	Posted - 2008.08.12 13:24:00 - [181] Originally by: Hari Sel'don ...if they did close down the server then they would have to hire a team of 100+ people to simply test the new content. Oh boy, I wish I was so young, unexperienced and naive once again ^^ V
Red zeon Caldari Shades Corp The OSS	Posted - 2008.08.12 14:39:00 - [182] incompatible release, soon i hope a pach will find daylight
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.08.12 14:50:00 - [183] Quote: The multiple problems with windows resizing or moving around were partially fixed and the issue is still under testing. There will also be a new mirror today, if the server starts up ok and there are no problems with the new database. Don't worry... be happy whistles \o/
Hari Sel'don Gallente Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.12 15:02:00 - [184] Originally by: Kepakh Originally by: Hari Sel'don ...if they did close down the server then they would have to hire a team of 100+ people to simply test the new content. Oh boy, I wish I was so young, unexperienced and naive once again ^^ V I wish you were not an incompetent ***** but I dont think thats going to happen either ^^ If CCP closed Sisi then they would be forced to increase the size of their team to thoroughly test any changes they wanted to introduce.
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.08.12 15:06:00 - [185] new patch new mirror go go go -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:05:00 - [186] Originally by: Destructor1792 Originally by: rValdez5987 you know you can always just skill your characters up simultaneously on both servers right? Hell you can even spec for command ship on SISI while training for t2 bs weapons on TQ... Sure that sp is lost when mirror happens, but hey your TQ stuff gets imported. Win Win situation imo. See the problem with whiners is that they dont look for solutions, they want the solutions to find them, or devs to bend over backwards. tbh whiners need to be ignored until they understand this. And you do know that people use the test server once in a while when new stuff is released!! Seems the only whiner here is "YOU"(judging by your troll comments in other threads!) And If they want people to test New Content then it is up to them to make sure that the test server is as up to date as possible Here's a little example for you: You want to buy & try out the latest game instore for your pc? "Hey, soz, but we've only got a PC which is around 6 months old... best upgrade it yourself then come back and test the game" That is the analogy of your comment!! That analogy doesn't work. And honestly, your being given the privilege to be on the test server, its not your right. I am personally just sick and tired of seeing people whine when all of the crap you complain about normally can be avoided through other means (including lag) You want to know why CCP isn't listening to you? BECAUSE YOUR WRONG. Besides ccp doesn't listen to idiots. (and dont say that nano nerf was brought up by idiots, because you know some of the other more expensive setups were gamebreakingly fast.)

CCP Oneiromancer	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:12:00 - [187] A new mirror has been deployed today on Singularity. The mirro was taken last Thursday, on August 7th. We would like to apologize for the prolonged lack of new mirror. The lack of human resources due to the summer vacations as well as a less-than-good synchronization with the Game Design department has caused this delay and we again apologize. In the hopes of offering better information about the mirroring process, I have created a new thread here.

Steven Barker	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:24:00 - [188] Is another patch waiting to go on. The mirror is there but the speed changes appear to be missing.
Trojanman190 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:28:00 - [189] Originally by: Steven Barker Is another patch waiting to go on. The mirror is there but the speed changes appear to be missing. We can only hope. Personally, I'm really hopeful... it would be foolish for a company that prides itself on dev - player interaction to start ignoring its playerbase. I'm willing to bet the next patch will be more 'balance' and less 'nerf', something we can all agree on, or at least a step in the proper direction.

CCP Oneiromancer	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:37:00 - [190] The speed changes have been rolled back on Singularity. There will be a devblog with a more elaborate explanation. You will be able to continue testing them on Multiplicity, once a new mirror is in place there.

Euriti Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:41:00 - [191] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer The speed changes have been rolled back on Singularity. There will be a devblog with a more elaborate explanation. You will be able to continue testing them on Multiplicity, once a new mirror is in place there. Thank you good sir.
Mira O'karr Minmatar Templars of Space	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:42:00 - [192] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer The speed changes have been rolled back on Singularity. There will be a devblog with a more elaborate explanation. You will be able to continue testing them on Multiplicity, once a new mirror is in place there. thats awesome ! i think a lot of people are very keen to see new ideas to rebalance speed to be made available for testing. you know, i didnt expect this to happen :) faith is restored :)
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:56:00 - [193] Oh. :) I just hope you'll not just retreat back to what it was like before - iterate on the changes, fix the balance issues that surfaced on sisi in the past month - missiles and tracking, for one thing - and give us a more balanced version of these changes for testing and iteration :) Looking forward to more info :) ____________
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:57:00 - [194] hahahhahhahahhahahha we tried to suicide our nano fleet the other day cuz of upcoming nerf's.....so glad we failed! lmao
McBrite Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:58:00 - [195] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer The speed changes have been rolled back on Singularity. There will be a devblog with a more elaborate explanation. You will be able to continue testing them on Multiplicity, once a new mirror is in place there. You, good sir, have made my day! Thanks!
Natalia Kovac Minmatar Phoenix Tribe Valhalla Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:12:00 - [196] Leeroyed my poly Vaga cos i thought it was gonna be worthless in a couple weeks. Thanks a bunch CCP.
Amantus Gallente Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:13:00 - [197] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer The speed changes have been rolled back on Singularity. There will be a devblog with a more elaborate explanation. You will be able to continue testing them on Multiplicity, once a new mirror is in place there. Brilliant news. ------------
Oregon sinful Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:18:00 - [198] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer The speed changes have been rolled back on Singularity. There will be a devblog with a more elaborate explanation. You will be able to continue testing them on Multiplicity, once a new mirror is in place there. This just in, Polycarbon's prices soar. Did CCP just listen to the overwhelming response from their playerbase???
Lorna Loot Caldari Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:18:00 - [199] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer The speed changes have been rolled back on Singularity. There will be a devblog with a more elaborate explanation. You will be able to continue testing them on Multiplicity, once a new mirror is in place there. WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? P.S. WHEN? ----------

CCP Atropos C C P	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:24:00 - [200] Originally by: Natalia Kovac Leeroyed my poly Vaga cos i thought it was gonna be worthless in a couple weeks. Thanks a bunch CCP. lols

Natalia Kovac Minmatar Phoenix Tribe Valhalla Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:25:00 - [201] This post has been cleared of inappropriate content. Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team
Slim Goodbody	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:27:00 - [202] Edited by: Slim Goodbody on 12/08/2008 19:27:11 Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Natalia Kovac Leeroyed my poly Vaga cos i thought it was gonna be worthless in a couple weeks. Thanks a bunch CCP. lols ^^^ and... Originally by: Natalia Kovac This post has been cleared of inappropriate content. Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:27:00 - [203] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer The speed changes have been rolled back on Singularity. There will be a devblog with a more elaborate explanation. You will be able to continue testing them on Multiplicity, once a new mirror is in place there. <3 I hope the dev blog addresses the issues that have been raised so many times. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Sykes Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:28:00 - [204] Can't please all of the people all of the time :) Still, thanks CCP for giving this a re-think.
Natalia Kovac Minmatar Phoenix Tribe Valhalla Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:31:00 - [205] Your mother has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Synapse Archae Amarr Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:34:00 - [206] Edited by: Synapse Archae on 12/08/2008 19:35:08 Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer The speed changes have been rolled back on Singularity. There will be a devblog with a more elaborate explanation. You will be able to continue testing them on Multiplicity, once a new mirror is in place there. Thank you CCP. This alone has boosted my confidence in the dev team, and I'm very glad they felt the changes needed a harsher look. Thanks very much to CCP for seeing that the speed changes went the wrong way. Lets try to get these done right, in the right spirit, and without randomly nerfing all kinds of other things in the process. Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
RuriHoshino Minmatar Stimulus	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:42:00 - [207] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer The speed changes have been rolled back on Singularity. There will be a devblog with a more elaborate explanation. You will be able to continue testing them on Multiplicity, once a new mirror is in place there. Thank you thank you thank you thank you. If a more balanced and rational approach is taken with the next set of test updates, a great deal of my own and the communities faith in CCP will be restored. Hopefully this will also encourage more constructive feedback from the players, and less lol-trolling. Support a Real, Reasonable Change to Speed
Slim Goodbody	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:47:00 - [208] Originally by: Natalia Kovac Your mother has been cleared of inappropriate content. Your tears.... thank you.
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:03:00 - [209] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 12/08/2008 19:56:47 Hear that? That's the sound of all of EVE's cry-baby carebears screaming in anguish. only cry baby i see where is you dungar :colbert:
Euriti Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:07:00 - [210] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 12/08/2008 19:56:47 Hear that? That's the sound of all of EVE's cry-baby carebears screaming in anguish. only cry baby i see where is you dungar :colbert: Atleast we have posted facts and numbers instead of whining like little babies while claiming 17km/s machs the norm.
Jenny' JoJo Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:08:00 - [211] Nanonerf is still on!. Its common for CCP to rollback server to test something unrelated to nano. So do not buy your polys just yet! Refresh to see next real life CCP Sig(25 total)
Bruce Ironstaunch GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:11:00 - [212] I sure hope the next incarnation of the nano nerf is less ******ed than this one and adresses actual issues (polys and snakes) rather then creating a ton of new ones
Pete Stalker D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:12:00 - [213] i told you this wont make it! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=831524&page=13#378 There are only two types of aircrafts -- fighters and targets.
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:12:00 - [214] Originally by: Euriti Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 12/08/2008 19:56:47 Hear that? That's the sound of all of EVE's cry-baby carebears screaming in anguish. only cry baby i see where is you dungar :colbert: Atleast we have posted facts and numbers instead of whining like little babies while claiming 17km/s machs the norm. posted facts? and who be you? i also have been fighting this change as its ludicrous to think that balancing it with a full set of high grade snakes that cost more then a capitals is normal ie its not.
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:26:00 - [215] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Natalia Kovac Leeroyed my poly Vaga cos i thought it was gonna be worthless in a couple weeks. Thanks a bunch CCP. lols Quote: ...ten page forum threads... One of you guys really needs to change the word "ten" to "one-hundred" - (combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom.
Euriti Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:38:00 - [216] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Euriti Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 12/08/2008 19:56:47 Hear that? That's the sound of all of EVE's cry-baby carebears screaming in anguish. only cry baby i see where is you dungar :colbert: Atleast we have posted facts and numbers instead of whining like little babies while claiming 17km/s machs the norm. posted facts? and who be you? i also have been fighting this change as its ludicrous to think that balancing it with a full set of high grade snakes that cost more then a capitals is normal ie its not. I wasn't referring to you but to idiots like Matrix Skye, Napro, Stab wounds etc.
Vengal Seyhan Sten Industries	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:39:00 - [217] Originally by: Alski Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Natalia Kovac Leeroyed my poly Vaga cos i thought it was gonna be worthless in a couple weeks. Thanks a bunch CCP. lols Quote: ...ten page forum threads... One of you guys really needs to change the word "ten" to "one-hundred" I mean seriously tho - why Leeroy a poly-Vagabond? If you're going to Leeroy anything, do it to a Poly-Ishtar; It's not likely to do so well post patch because it's out of whack at the moment. The Vaga on the other hand, it may actually fly OK with a Poly fit - there has to be some ship in game that does, if everything is balanced well.
Neesa Corrinne Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:42:00 - [218] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Natalia Kovac Leeroyed my poly Vaga cos i thought it was gonna be worthless in a couple weeks. Thanks a bunch CCP. lols Oh man, I haven't truly laughed this good in a long while. Thanks for that. The sky is falling! We're testing ideas on sisi, the sky is falling!
Lorna Loot Caldari Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:43:00 - [219] Edited by: Lorna Loot on 12/08/2008 20:45:37 Edit: In reply to Vengal Seyhan Polys themselves will be completely useless with the current changes, as will all speed rigs. The best speed you will get is from a MWD and 3 OD, anything else added on would be so stacked its a waste of a slot. Leeroying polyed ships might be more fun that removing and destroying what cost them over 100mill in the first place. ----------
Vengal Seyhan Sten Industries	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:59:00 - [220] Originally by: Lorna Loot Edited by: Lorna Loot on 12/08/2008 20:45:37 Edit: In reply to Vengal Seyhan Polys themselves will be completely useless with the current changes, as will all speed rigs. The best speed you will get is from a MWD and 3 OD, anything else added on would be so stacked its a waste of a slot. Leeroying polyed ships might be more fun that removing and destroying what cost them over 100mill in the first place. Alright, you can Leeroy your poly ships on the unsubstantiated belief that they'll be useless post patch, on the basis of a first edition trial patch that has recently been rolled back. Me I'll prefer not to suicide any ships until the final patch goes live, on the unsubtantiated belief that they're going to change things with the patch so it's not all as bad as it seems right now. Neither of these opinions above are factual... I do know, however, which one costs less ISK. Leeroying your Vaga last week is premature ejaculation at its finest.
Nightelf Mowhawk	Posted - 2008.08.12 21:16:00 - [221] whats the point of all this bull s**t if your just gonna have 'a quick 20 min dt' all night takes the mic just a lil bit
iloni atoriandra SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.08.12 21:53:00 - [222] Im glad its being rolledback but i hope polys do get changed in line with normal rigs as they are a bit overpowered atm and lowering them in line with normal rigs and maybe reducing snakes a bit wont kill the average nano pilot.
Hank Cousteau Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.08.12 21:54:00 - [223] Maybe CCP Should consider 30% tackling range extension rigs with a speed reduction penalty. That way you can actually bait nanos and have far more ships other than just 3 minmatar ships able to counter speed. The hull speed reductions probably should go through as well. Everything else, hold off on. Less people will be ****ed off overall if the 'balancing' occured in two stages, where you can do the finer tweaks.
Hortoken Wolfbrother Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.12 22:42:00 - [224] TO THE WIN BOATS POLYCARB LEGION!!
D4RT N3RDiUS	Posted - 2008.08.12 22:43:00 - [225] to all mi carebears friendS!!!! d4rt press in his keyboard "IDDQD" and put god mode on again... LOL back to reality i think this is good and we can make a better patch than this one if ccp devs hear real ppl or if ccp got real devs XD sry noz but you sucks making patchs xD we really can go somewere and make a really good patch with no nerfing aniting and only balancing things :) and maybe geting new roles and new ships in one future :)
Zarlis The Scope	Posted - 2008.08.13 00:42:00 - [226] dude i hate to rain on your parade but Quote: Hey, The speed changes have been rolled back on Singularity to prepare for the Empyrean Age 1.1 patch. The changes will however still be available for testing on "Multiplicity" later this week as we continue to make adjustments. MWD Reactivation delay has been removed, as you the players pointed out, it didn't quite feel right. We're still making adjustments to missiles on our internal servers, we've been tweaking the numbers using the current missile damage formula but also exploring other possibilities. The agility values are also slightly off. They were rebalanced with regard to MWD mass addition, which closed the gaps between ship types, removing uniqueness a bit. This will be fixed, also we're looking at boosting some ship classes in regards of agility. We hope you'll continue to test the changes on Multiplicity, and continue to give feedback. A new devblog with details on what we're changing and testing is in the makes, so stay tuned. Nozh Game Designer CCP Games so they are doing a few tweaks but basically its happening.
Markas Crais House of Dying Laggers	Posted - 2008.08.13 00:51:00 - [227] Originally by: Zarlis dude i hate to rain on your parade but Quote: Hey, The speed changes have been rolled back on Singularity to prepare for the Empyrean Age 1.1 patch. The changes will however still be available for testing on "Multiplicity" later this week as we continue to make adjustments. MWD Reactivation delay has been removed, as you the players pointed out, it didn't quite feel right. We're still making adjustments to missiles on our internal servers, we've been tweaking the numbers using the current missile damage formula but also exploring other possibilities. The agility values are also slightly off. They were rebalanced with regard to MWD mass addition, which closed the gaps between ship types, removing uniqueness a bit. This will be fixed, also we're looking at boosting some ship classes in regards of agility. We hope you'll continue to test the changes on Multiplicity, and continue to give feedback. A new devblog with details on what we're changing and testing is in the makes, so stay tuned. Nozh Game Designer CCP Games so they are doing a few tweaks but basically its happening. It's still too early to say it's happening with only a few tweaks until we get that new devblog. They rerolled to EA 1.1 because they plan on releasing that next. EA 1.1 was never intended to have the nanonerf patch since Nozh posted the devblog on July 25th and EA 1.1 was already being tested on July 18th. Simply put, they're still going to be testing on Multi.
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.08.13 02:50:00 - [228] Wow, this is so funny. Talk about jumping to conclusions.
Slobodanka	Posted - 2008.08.13 06:16:00 - [229] I want that Crystal Ball!!!! I honestly do, I want one ingame. Is it on TQ (like in cosmos plexes or something) or is it just a hoax? Because if it's real like snowball launcher and those cute fairytales from cosmos plexes then I wanna have one!!1one1!

CCP Oneiromancer	Posted - 2008.08.13 07:18:00 - [230] This discussion has strayed far from its original subject, so I will lock this thread now. Please continue the discussion about the speed changes on the feedback thread here.


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