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Delphi Denon The Final Resurrection	Posted - 2007.09.25 23:24:00 - [61] Edited by: Delphi Denon on 25/09/2007 23:25:46 I have just been accused of macro mining, I am a main character (so no post with your main!) have been ceo of two large corps, been in 3 large alliances and am currently the second in command. All I wanted to do was mine some trit in peace for the new corp plans to build capital ships. Im sat in a 0.9 system, just minding my own business, when a intey jumps into system and immediately bounces me, so I convo him to inform him that 1) I do speak english 2) I am at my keyboard and 3) Im not macroing. Well this guy decides oh yes you are, your in high sec in a hulk you must be macroing. So after some time of being called a "f**" and other homophobic names, and him saying he had reported me I did the same. 10 minutes later both him and his buddy started bumping my Hulk accross the belt to stop me mining. Now where in the EvE EULA does it say "You cannot mine in high sec in a Hulk" where does it say "You are not allowed to mine in relative saftey whilst sat at the computer?". I for one want to see the end of the macro miners, I am totally behind it, and I know that it hurts the eve economy, but where do you draw the line? Are select people using it as a reason to grief innocent players? And the next time im sat in a belt, I will have this character in his kitted absolution as a surprise if they want to bait me. /Delphi Denon Edit: Oh and both characters werent in the noob corp.
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.26 00:26:00 - [62] Originally by: Saphros But this is a MMO and if you want to be a lone wolf then create your own one-man corporation, simple as that. This is also a sandbox, and if you want to dictate how other players want to play then go screw yourself, simple as that.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.09.26 00:56:00 - [63] They should just hand it over to the ISD or whatever the event team is called these days and then roleplay it out their asses as some pirate incursion as their black ships descend on the macro system laying waste to them all repeatedly all day long for no SS lost. Also Known As
Mikelio Raijan Sulithus	Posted - 2007.09.26 01:10:00 - [64] Meet Xzin a long time multiboxer and player of DAOC & WoW, you have to wonder how many players have reported him for 'OMGMACROHAXXOR'ing. As stated earlier in the thread there are several legitimate methods for running multiple accounts, often the ways to do this will appear robotic.
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.09.26 02:06:00 - [65] Edited by: Verite Rendition on 26/09/2007 02:09:14 Originally by: Tortun Nahme whats more damaging? not banning someone who MIGHT be a macro or banning someone who isnt because they might be? Not banning someone who is a macro. This is a private game, we don't have to be nice or fair to people. Saving the game is more important than anything else. PS Delphi, I would have accused you too. You're in a Hulk, a T2 miner designed to tank any rat in the game. Using it in a system higher than a 0.5 is a crime against humanity ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD
Crazy Broad	Posted - 2007.09.26 02:13:00 - [66] I dont know if those are macroers or chinese isk farmers. But.. you can usually tell right away if theyre one of the "asian" races (partically caldari achura) with names like "jsjshdddd" "xjsid" "asooxi" etc, same join date, do not know english very well, either mining constantly in ice belts, or doing missions in mass ravens. Ive reported several, I got around 2 groups of them banned, but the rest are still around. I guess they havent started funnelling the money to the Isk seller account. Just report them again every now and then until someone puts some effort into actually investigating. It takes a few tries but someone will eventually start to give a damn ------------------------------ Originally by: Captian Internet This thread isn't delivery its digorno
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.26 02:31:00 - [67] Originally by: Verite Rendition PS Delphi, I would have accused you too. You're in a Hulk, a T2 miner designed to tank any rat in the game. Using it in a system higher than a 0.5 is a crime against humanity I got reported. While in an Osprey. Not mining in a can and had been in the belt a whole 30 minutes Then I got the same abusive language he was talking about. So I petitioned under harassment. About 10 minutes later they shutup and went away and I never saw them again. I think the GMs actually answered my prayer Seriously though, this type of behavior is getting common enough that even the Devs are calling it a "witch hunt". And the ones doing it don't seem to understand that the more they bother, harass and gank legitimate miners the fewer "real" players are actually mining and the more macros there are to take their place Originally by: CCP Chronotis Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.26 02:49:00 - [68] Originally by: Verite Rendition Edited by: Verite Rendition on 26/09/2007 02:09:14 Originally by: Tortun Nahme whats more damaging? not banning someone who MIGHT be a macro or banning someone who isnt because they might be? Not banning someone who is a macro. This is a private game, we don't have to be nice or fair to people. Saving the game is more important than anything else. So we have to be fair and nice to you, but not fair or nice to anyone who might be wrongfully banned based on circumstantial evidence? I don't think anyone gave you the right to judge who we have to be fair to...
syphurous Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.26 03:58:00 - [69] "The sky is falling, the sky is falling" Where's the proof that the macroes are ruining the enconomy ? I'd like to see some factual data, not just word of mouth, because someone says something, doesn't mean its true. No, I dont buy isk, no I dont trade GTC's, I have more than enough isk for my needs, 100% legit. Well, I did spend a couple days emptying a can full of ice for a team of Macroes, not by arrangement of course, it was there, and they weren't stopping me :) I've been accused of being a macro miner, in my mission Dominix, sitting in front of a station testing my tank/cap regen,.... while there are a total of 2 others in the system, them being the ones accusing me. Apparently I have a very isk farmer type name. Though, when they saw what I was flying, they didn't want to steal from my can and duke it out. Usualy the ones flying round accusing folks and harrasing are people who want to be pirates, but just cant cut it. They're just out to greif, to relieve stress, because they have some need to do so. ___ Too Many Anchored Cans
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.09.26 04:36:00 - [70] Originally by: Thanos Draicon Originally by: Verite Rendition Edited by: Verite Rendition on 26/09/2007 02:09:14 Originally by: Tortun Nahme whats more damaging? not banning someone who MIGHT be a macro or banning someone who isnt because they might be? Not banning someone who is a macro. This is a private game, we don't have to be nice or fair to people. Saving the game is more important than anything else. So we have to be fair and nice to you, but not fair or nice to anyone who might be wrongfully banned based on circumstantial evidence? I don't think anyone gave you the right to judge who we have to be fair to... I don't need anyone to give me the right to do such things (or more appropriately, CCP). It's a private game, there's no need to be nice or fair to people they suspect are macro farmers, and that includes myself. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.26 04:38:00 - [71] so if they banned you because you appeared to be a macro you wouldn't whine? runs off to petition you as a macro 1987.08.31 00:29:09 Combat Your Smooth Criminal perfectly strikes Annie, wrecking for A Crescendo.
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.26 05:35:00 - [72] Originally by: Verite Rendition I don't need anyone to give me the right to do such things (or more appropriately, CCP). It's a private game, there's no need to be nice or fair to people they suspect are macro farmers, and that includes myself. Regarding permanent bans from the game, yes, CCP does have an obligation to be fair I believe. Player actions regarding suspected macros cannot be held to this obviously, but waging total war against macroers won't stop them and cause a lot of innocent people to be banned. It would be a bad idea.
Smacko Thug	Posted - 2007.09.26 05:51:00 - [73] Originally by: Barashi Nugan I can't imagine that CCP planned on people being able to use a horde of accounts to multitask EVE to this degree. And this is where youd be wrong. If CCP didnt intend people to use multiple accounts, we would have never seen the power of 2 promition.
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.09.26 06:14:00 - [74] Originally by: Tortun Nahme so if they banned you because you appeared to be a macro you wouldn't whine? runs off to petition you as a macro Go nuts. When you find 4 copies of me in Myrmidons and my name is a bunch of gibberish, then yes I'm probably a macro. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD
UGWidowmaker Caldari The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.09.26 06:43:00 - [75] stop being mad about macros.. they are here to stay. stop petitioning them and hope ccp willl hunt them. its ccp job not our the players job... all u who degfended macror here.. roll ower naiv morons... OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned.
Grim Jim	Posted - 2007.09.26 06:49:00 - [76] Edited by: Grim Jim on 26/09/2007 06:49:57 I agree with you all, the only solution is to make players the arbiters of justice. We The People should be permitted to wield the banstick through majority voting! Funny name ? BANZOR I suspect you of macroing ! BANZOR You Are Looking At Me Funny! BANZOR You talk funny! BANZOR Only those sufficiently interested in the issue will vote... and apparently 30% of the character population have a strong desire to keep macroing in the game. Damn you democracy! I guess what we need is some sort of oversight group who protect the anonymity and "rights" of the players while investigating allegations of wrong doing in a fair and impartial way. Where could we find such a group? Oh Where? Oh mercy. Oh ffs. Damnit i'm going to get moderated for not posting with my main. Ah well, you wouldn't listen anyway.
Anglo Minmatar Astral Mexicans	Posted - 2007.09.26 06:53:00 - [77] Originally by: Grim Jim Edited by: Grim Jim on 26/09/2007 06:49:57 I agree with you all, the only solution is to make players the arbiters of justice. We The People should be permitted to wield the banstick through majority voting! Funny name ? BANZOR I suspect you of macroing ! BANZOR You Are Looking At Me Funny! BANZOR You talk funny! BANZOR Only those sufficiently interested in the issue will vote... and apparently 30% of the character population have a strong desire to keep macroing in the game. Damn you democracy! I guess what we need is some sort of oversight group who protect the anonymity and "rights" of the players while investigating allegations of wrong doing in a fair and impartial way. Where could we find such a group? Oh Where? Oh mercy. Oh ffs. Damnit i'm going to get moderated for not posting with my main. Ah well, you wouldn't listen anyway. u would then see goons ban bob ? or oposit... not an option
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2007.09.26 08:38:00 - [78] Originally by: Christari Zuborov If CCP let the Pirates at them, they'd have a huge boon to business. Can you imagine all of the PvP people who would be logging in just to get a chance of knocking out the Macro farmers in Empire? Hell, I'd give up 0.0 for a month just to help hunt down macro farmers. We'd probably have player corps canceling war dec's so they could cooperate and knock them out. I'm psych'd! CCP let us at them! How do you plan on doing this so that it only lets you at the macros, rather than just give you a free shot on absolutely anyone you want? The only way would be to have the GM's flag the macroers as shootable - and if they have enough confidence in guilt to do that, they should just be banning the account anyway. Originally by: Delphi Denon I for one want to see the end of the macro miners, I am totally behind it, and I know that it hurts the eve economy, but where do you draw the line? Are select people using it as a reason to grief innocent players? They always have been. Way back before macros were even a subject occuring to eve forum posters, there were people trying to get NPC corps nerfed, mission runners and miners forced into low-sec - generally any play-style that wasn't shooting other players (or more accurately sitting there letting them shoot you). These arguments rumbled on, and eventually ran out of steam. Then macros came to general attention, and all those same arguments (from a lot of the same people) were rolled out again in the clothes of the "holy crusade against macro-miners", with accusations of macroer being thrown at anyone who objected, or tried to point out the collateral damage the "anti-macro" changes would cause. Thankfully, the devs saw through this, and issued repeated statements that any "anti-macro" change would be unacceptable if it broke legitimate players as well as the macroers. Thieves, bumpers, gankers etc throw the accusation of macro out against their victim because it's an easy way to divide opinion and dissuade the locals from ganging up against them. Originally by: CharlieMurphy the excuse for not banning macros is that "they arnt macros its a player controling multiple accounts and they might be genuine and honest" but i really dont see how somebody that spends their days farming and sending the isk to a sales outlet can pretend to be a real player The problem is that players only see one side of that. You can see they are running missions/mining/whatever a lot, and with several accounts. But you have no idea what they are doing with the proceeds. However suspicious you may find those activities, playing a lot or with multiple accounts is not against the game rules (I've already covered how a lot of "suspect" behaviour can be achieved using legitimate in-game functions). Which is the whole point of having petitions and GMs. They can see what is done with the proceeds, and they do ban when illegitimate uses are found. If you don't trust them to do that, why would you trust a response saying no wrong-doing was found? ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Delusion 'Fel Minmatar Nefarious Ratiocinations Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.26 09:13:00 - [79] found a macro hunt group the other night, was a group of 3 ships, one BC two cruisers warping between belts looking for rats, warping to each belt in order, only stopping for 30 seconds in each belt (assumingly to await aggro if rats were around) before warping away to the next belt in formation. I bumped one into a really tight spot between some roids, taking care to ensure it was nothing a "live" player wouldnt be able to get out of (wanted to annoy a botter, not a legitmate player, after all). In the meantime a friend sat on the tails of the remaining two, watching them jump from belt to belt in formation systematically completely ignoring the plight of the 3rd member of their gang. After 30 mins trailing this macro group, got bored and left them to to it. Wish id petitioned it now, in retrospect :S
Jacque DeCoure	Posted - 2007.09.26 09:26:00 - [80] Why don't you.... and this may have been mentioned and I didn't see it anywhere.... WarDec them and find them in a mission with a set of Warp stabs and Jammers.. and let the mission wreck their day?
Sedist	Posted - 2007.09.26 09:49:00 - [81] Originally by: Zombie Network There is (was?) a guy in Goonfleet who ran 6 accounts simultaneously. They were all named almost the same, were created on the same day, were all in the same corp, had the same stats and flew the same ship (Dominix's). He used an application called Synergy (I think) that takes the input from one computer and replicates it to all six at once allowing him to make them all do the same thing at the same time. He wasn't a macro user, although if you didn't know his setup you would think he was. How do you know this guy you are trying ot get banned doesn't have a similar setup?> So wait, just cause this particular setup is not a MACRO. This is legal?? Using 3rd party programs to control multiple EVE clients, while only actually controlling 1 client physically is legal HOW???? As far as I know, using 3rd party programs of any form what so ever that effect anything directly into the game is not allowed. I don't care if its a program that makes every ship in space pink for fun. Much less control clients without actually directly doing physical input. I'd love to see some answers on this one. For my own clearity. Otherwise it's time to train more hulks and get that program.
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:08:00 - [82] Originally by: Sedist I'd love to see some answers on this one. For my own clearity. Otherwise it's time to train more hulks and get that program. the answer is that unless you scan somebodys pc you cant tell if they are using any progams or not so if you want to do that there is nothing stopping you ccp likes these farmers, if they didnt they would do something about them but i fear a paying account is just too much to give up
Fantasia Freelance	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:12:00 - [83] Originally by: Hack Causality So tell me, eve community, does CCP truly not care about isk selling, or did I just get a particularly (insert insult to intelligence and/or skill) GM? IMO they truly don't care. That's why I get spammed on average once per day with the same URL to a site selling ISK. If they cared they would instantly delete all emails with that URL. See my in-game Contracts starting at 1 million--like a full set of +3 Basic implants and a Navy Raven Issue!
Sedist	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:32:00 - [84] I'm asking if it's allowed or not. That it's near uncatchable I can figure out myself.
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys Monkey Religion	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:56:00 - [85] Why would you ever upload a .bmp? Seriously. ---------------- Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
Red Desire	Posted - 2007.09.26 11:10:00 - [86] What if!! The GM checked the loggs and see this characters have been farming for 500 hours non-stop, with no breaks or one break at 40 hours when the power was out the dude was jerking of or he forgot. Would that entitle them to the title macro farmer?? Just a reminder this isn't court of law, so get them the f*** out of our game.
Darth Felin	Posted - 2007.09.26 12:57:00 - [87] Originally by: Red Desire What if!! The GM checked the loggs and see this characters have been farming for 500 hours non-stop, with no breaks or one break at 40 hours when the power was out the dude was jerking of or he forgot. Would that entitle them to the title macro farmer?? Well maybe it will surprise you but it won't entitle them as a macro farmers. F.e. it can be a shared dedicated mission runner account for a group of friends to earn isks.
Devious	Posted - 2007.09.26 13:05:00 - [88] Solution to this problem is simple. Those people that are in the newbie schools should not be able to access anything higher than a cruiser , no industrial's, no battlecruisers, battleships, mining barges..lets see how many macro runners run to the corps.. i know of 4 corps in eve that macro farm and they are WELL known to the point where they are at war 24/7. newbie schools are just for newbies people that camp them for months becuase they dont like corps shouldnt play eve online.
Devious	Posted - 2007.09.26 13:09:00 - [89] Oh one last point, as for proof. go google eve mining macro program...you wil be suprised when you find the download. CCP does nothing about this. they made it public release and yet ccp did not change the coding on their server to stop it working. same coding also does belt hunting and missing running, its ever so simple to create a macro program for these, dont beleive me'? ask the Turbine community how many years was spent hacking and recoding a microsoft game so that a out of game macro programs could be run inside with the full knowledge and support of the creators of the game.
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.09.26 13:14:00 - [90] Originally by: Barthezz Seriously? No I mean it, seriously? So being born on the same day, flying the same ship, being in the same corp, doing the same missions in the same stations while gang warping from spot to spot makes you a macro'er? Seriously? Damn I didnt know that, seriously ! IAC? protecting isk farmers? YEP. Is that like your member corp, Deep Space Productions [DSP.] When we report the isk farmers you have, your leadership says 'who cares' and I constantly see IAC on the forums defending isk farmers..... Check out your OWN members: EENTRT Coin Oublie Moon LJY2 Mitsubishieclipse Lajikk And - let's not forget THEIR scouts and loot runners: sajk 1234 Trade expert perdant words best like The list goes on..... To make this even BETTER we found this crew in Vale, and started to eradicate them... and they drop dread guristas loot! I think before ANYONE from IAC say anything about isk farmers, they should look inside first.

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