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Jenna Shame
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Posted - 2007.09.26 13:23:00 -
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Lets just face the music.
CCP is either completely incompetent at removing macros/farmers OR just doesn't care.
A few days in 0.0 and you can identify the ebay isk farmers and corporations very quickly, and yet, they are still there doing their thing day after day.
I don't spend much time missioning anymore but I'm sure its no different there.
Hell a simple log search showing someone ratting/missioning 23/7 is proof enough for me of a EULA violation. Remember this is NOT a court of law, circumstantial evidence is enough, you don't have to have the isk selling receipt for a 'conviction'.
But why should they care? Lets think of it from their point of view. They get paid for those accounts, which are at least in the 1000's, and we still all play and pay. The only incentive would be a long term one, keeping vet players around for years knowing CCP is worried about the integrity of the game, but CCP already stated in past posts they don't really care as long as subscription numbers still go up.
So they will token ban here and there, post a long anguished blog about the evils of ebay isk sales (while practically admitting they are hypocrites because of GTC sales though I give them cudos for admitting it) and yet things are getting worse on the isk selling side not better.
Why do you think this is?
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2007.09.26 13:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Hack Causality
They're all in the same corp, started on the same day, are sitting in formation outside a mission station, have the exact same standings, sat outside the station for about half an hour, ignored target locks and attempted convos. Plus they're all 2 days old in NPC corps flying myrmidons, which means A: the character was put together to be able to pilot quickly, and B: they're getting a huge amount of isk for a newbie from somewhere.
u/f thats not enough evidence to proove macro use.
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Elder Bob
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.26 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Elder Bob on 26/09/2007 13:38:23
Originally by: Hack Causality
That's exactly what I think it is, one guy with four accounts making isk using a macro.
What the fornicate does a macro have to do with it?
I've run missions with 3 accounts at once and I'd be much more confident controlling 4 at once than automating even one of them. Automation would be more likely to get me killed, and more likely to get me banned.
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kimish
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Posted - 2007.09.26 14:19:00 -
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hehe.. well it is with guarantee NOT a macro, since making a macro capable of this would be insane.
it could be a bot program. but even here it is extreme, since there is a random difference on systems you need to go to, and no way for the bot to figure this out.
(unless it is a VERY complicated program that have been made)
all in all it isn't macro's just farmers/isk sellers.
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Bklyn 1
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Posted - 2007.09.26 14:23:00 -
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you isk buyers make me laugh. so the op must prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, in a court of law that player "sdkfjlsd" is an isk farmer? give it up! you know who the isk farmers are and so does ccp. ccp do not care. they are getting paid and, well, eve is getting old and they have another game on the horizon. who likes mining anyway.
stop being so silly and just admit that you can't enjoy playing eve unless you have lots of isk and you don't want to be bothered getting it in-game so you buy it. for that reason you want to keep the farmers so you can buy cheap isk. you can admit it, we already know.
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kimish
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Posted - 2007.09.26 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jenna Shame
Lets just face the music.
CCP is either completely incompetent at removing macros/farmers OR just doesn't care.
... okey just tell me ONE, just a single ONE mmo that have over 100k members where it is not possible to buy the ingame currency by farmers (or the company itself).
the fact is that no one are capable of removing them as long as law in difference countries allows it.
if you wanted to remove farmers, then exclude any country where it is allowed to break the eula, and take every one that buy/sell to court and start bringing down the "farming firms".
besides this there is no way to do it..
all others ways will hurt the normal players alot more then the farmers
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Cosy
Porandor
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Posted - 2007.09.26 15:25:00 -
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this about a player runing more accounts and pc remeber me a dude from daoc Linkage
use h.264 code for your video and like that help eve-files
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Mikelio Raijan
Sulithus
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Posted - 2007.09.26 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cosy
this about a player runing more accounts and pc remeber me a dude from daoc Linkage
Same guy I linked earlier, he changed over to WoW.
Perfectly possible to run 3+ accounts without breaking any CCP rules, what with gang warp... group on me, and other such commands.
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Matthew
Caldari
BloodStar Technologies
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Posted - 2007.09.27 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Red Desire
What if!! The GM checked the loggs and see this characters have been farming for 500 hours non-stop, with no breaks or one break at 40 hours when the power was out the dude was jerking of or he forgot.
Would that entitle them to the title macro farmer??
Just a reminder this isn't court of law, so get them the f*** out of our game.
For proper farming operations, accounts are expendable and thrown around in large numbers anyway. If the GM's started banning every account that was consistently played for over X hours a day, the farmers would quickly work out what was going on, run each account for X hours less 1 minute a day, and just open a few more accounts.
Originally by: Darth Felin
Well maybe it will surprise you but it won't entitle them as a macro farmers. F.e. it can be a shared dedicated mission runner account for a group of friends to earn isks
To be fair, account sharing is also against the EULA, so you'd be arguing about the reason for the ban rather than getting banned.
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The Fate
Caldari
Hammerfall Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.27 08:17:00 -
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Whole KOS alliances is a big macro mining operation!
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Barthezz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.09.27 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Loyal Servant
IAC? protecting isk farmers?
YEP.
Arent you eating your words now (/me points at the no-alliance tag).
Farming isk is not against the EULA, neither is having multiple accounts with similar and/or weird names, neither is gang warping.
Selling isk is against the EULA and CCP bans people for it.
Also, the topic was that the people with similar names and/or weird names that used gang warp where actually macro's. I dont think anyone will deny that their isk farmers, but there's no proof that their using macro's !
So get your facts straight.
And isnt anyone an isk farmer from time to time? I dont know how else you could fund your projects, ships cost money and I either need to farm that isk by shooting rats or farm that isk by doing missions or farm that isk by mining.
Either way 'farming' is what probably 80-90% of the unlucky (e.g. not bpo t2 owners) do in this game to get money.
Also, I have several accounts and I've been seen to gang warp 2 ravens and a domi to level 4's on occasion, I guess I macro too?
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Useless alt
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Posted - 2007.09.27 08:50:00 -
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 Then again who knows they might have simply be one person that was called away for something else.
I am sure at least 40% of the EVE community knows people that have more then two accounts... Heck I know people who make it as sport to collect as many as they can taking ownership when someone leaves.
My thought is that if you are macroing you would not be going after level 2 misions there is simply no money in them.
Then again what do I know...
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.09.27 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mikelio Raijan
Meet Xzin a long time multiboxer and player of DAOC & WoW, you have to wonder how many players have reported him for 'OMGMACROHAXXOR'ing.
As stated earlier in the thread there are several legitimate methods for running multiple accounts, often the ways to do this will appear robotic.
I've had my ass handed to me by the Zins. There for a while, he was working on 40-boxing and soloing a raid dungeon. I think it didn't lend itself well to central control. And yes, there was a OMG MACRO thread at least once a week where some nooblet accused him of cheating.
And the answer to finding the less sophisticated macro ops: check all 23/7 accounts for % of time idle. If it's less than what is needed to keep a human from dying, instaban. Shared characters are a violation of the EULA anyways, so there's your out if you accidentally nail a 0.0 corp's shared mission ***** account.
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Gavin Marcus
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Posted - 2007.10.03 17:16:00 -
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Perhaps CCP could just concentrate on watching money transfers between characters. Or better yet you can attack and destroy their ships. Isn't that a large part of what the game is about anyway? 
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
MASS HOMICIDE
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.03 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: HottieWitAbody
If you would like an example of sweatship mission runners, go to Motsu/Saila/Irjunen. Add all the people with keyboard smash or bad english translator names to your buddylist and see if they ever log off for more than 5 minutes.
mm there are some titan pilots that match on that description.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.03 18:57:00 -
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This thread makes me sad...people are far too willing to wave the ban-peen around without actual evidence of wrongdoing.
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ollobrains
Mission Invasion Squad
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Posted - 2007.10.03 19:06:00 -
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close motsu and saila
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Laura Steel
The Chaotic Order
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.10.03 19:27:00 -
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First link on google
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Mikelio Raijan
Sulithus
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Posted - 2007.10.03 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Laura Steel
Link which shouldn't have been posted here
Topic is about Macro Missioning (Which is really just not possible), said mining bot would probably fail somewhat at a lvl4.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.03 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Laura Steel
(EVIL link)
You're not helping.
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Lord Wiggin
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Posted - 2007.10.03 19:46:00 -
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After reading 4 pages of this, I have to admit I am highly amused! Clearly most of you don't understand the issues involved.
First it's almost impossible to prove Macroing withoout some intensive review. How many manhours would you like to have them spend on this? What would you like to have them sacrifice to address this issue? Lets say that a person could review a complaint review the suspected macroer and make a competent decision in 1 hour. How many of these complaints do you think they get? Are you getting the idea?
How much money should a company spend chasing this issue, that will NEVER have a resolution? For every one they ban 10 more new accounts will be created. So your stuck with the statusquo, fighting a never ending battle with resources that could be used to build a better game.
The most amusing thing is that I don't see how ISK farmers are seriously affecting the game. It's so easy to make money in this game that I hardly see the need to buy it. In my first week I had 3 Frigates and a destroyer simply by mining, I've never been short on money for anything I've ever needed. Perhaps it's different when your far up the ladder, but since you can make more, I have to wonder just how badly ISK sellers are even used. If you base that on the price of outside ISK, I'd say there's not much call for it, after looking at a few places that spam ISK selling it seems clear that it's not all that hot an item.
Finally, just how much effect do you guys think ISK sales have on this game? You can't buy skill training points, that's all about time. And since this game is based so much on skill training, and training is just about time, how do ISK seelers affect this?
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