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Hack Causality
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Posted - 2007.09.24 01:47:00 -
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Just to preface this, I know macro missioners don't affect me personally, but isk sellers just tick me off.
I petitioned a group of mission macros whose program had stalled out, leaving them just sitting in formation in space. I presented this screenshot as evidence:http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Hack-Caus/macrogroup.bmp
I got a form letter response, the contents of which I'm sure you're all familiar with; this I expected. A couple weeks later, I get the "how did we do" e-mail, which i took to be a good time to check on the macro characters.
Still online, and still macroing.
So tell me, eve community, does CCP truly not care about isk selling, or did I just get a particularly (insert insult to intelligence and/or skill) GM?
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Elipsis
Gallente
The Mission Guys
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Posted - 2007.09.24 01:48:00 -
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From listening to the latest GM Dev Blog, it sounds like they're really overwhelmed with the issue.
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Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2007.09.24 01:50:00 -
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So how do you prove that they're macroing?
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Hack Causality
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Posted - 2007.09.24 01:54:00 -
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They're all in the same corp, started on the same day, are sitting in formation outside a mission station, have the exact same standings, sat outside the station for about half an hour, ignored target locks and attempted convos. Plus they're all 2 days old in NPC corps flying myrmidons, which means A: the character was put together to be able to pilot quickly, and B: they're getting a huge amount of isk for a newbie from somewhere. |
Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group
PURGE.
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Posted - 2007.09.24 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Trebor Notlimah on 24/09/2007 01:54:40
Sad
~Treb
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Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2007.09.24 02:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Hack Causality
They're all in the same corp, started on the same day, are sitting in formation outside a mission station, have the exact same standings, sat outside the station for about half an hour, ignored target locks and attempted convos. Plus they're all 2 days old in NPC corps flying myrmidons, which means A: the character was put together to be able to pilot quickly, and B: they're getting a huge amount of isk for a newbie from somewhere.
So how do you know it's not just one guy with 4 accounts?
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Ki Tarra
Caldari
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.24 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Thanos Draicon
Originally by: Hack Causality
They're all in the same corp, started on the same day, are sitting in formation outside a mission station, have the exact same standings, sat outside the station for about half an hour, ignored target locks and attempted convos. Plus they're all 2 days old in NPC corps flying myrmidons, which means A: the character was put together to be able to pilot quickly, and B: they're getting a huge amount of isk for a newbie from somewhere.
So how do you know it's not just one guy with 4 accounts?
Like Thanos said, where is the proof that a macro was used and this is not just some guy who made several accounts at the same time and runs them manually which is perfectly legit.
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sableye
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.24 02:15:00 -
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macro's always get away with it no point in petitioning to be honest. sure some get banned but only when there is alot of fuss on forums.
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Gorthauran
Amarr
Throne of Tragedy
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Posted - 2007.09.24 02:16:00 -
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In all fairness they could just be an EVE meta-gamer. There are only 4 of them and we all know how some ppl have many accounts going...although i still frown upon that. You could be right though, but i doubt there is anything CCP will do to stop a paying customer as dodgey as it may seem if they can't prove what they are(sadly the screenshot doesn't really prove anything substantial and certainly not enough for them to ban accounts)
EVE is quite the conundrum as it doesn't actually condone doing the right thing anyway.
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Hack Causality
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Posted - 2007.09.24 02:18:00 -
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That's exactly what I think it is, one guy with four accounts making isk using a macro. |
Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2007.09.24 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hack Causality
That's exactly what I think it is, one guy with four accounts making isk using a macro.
Or one guy running four accounts legally. How can you tell the difference? How can CCP tell the difference?
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.24 02:21:00 -
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but thats just it, you "think" but PROVE it is a macro and not legit, and you can't
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Pirate Tom
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Posted - 2007.09.24 02:35:00 -
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As much as I hate to say it, there is no proof.
All you have is 4 characters created on the same day in the same place. It could just as well be someone with too much time on their hands deciding they don't need a corp if they have 4 accounts. |
Cadela Fria
Amarr
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.24 02:36:00 -
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Edited by: Cadela Fria on 24/09/2007 02:40:28
I hate ISK Sellers with a passion, everyone who knows me are very well aware of this.
However what you have there proves nothing (The screenshot I mean).
I myself, along with a friend, recently started up some research alts. A total of 4 characters (I have 2 characters, my friend has 2 characters). They were all created on the same date, have the same exact stats, they're training the same exact skills - They have the same exact standing to an NPC corp cause we're doing joint missions with them to raise their standing.
So, I mean..where would you distinguish?
By moving all at the same time? Having the same ships? We do that with our 4 characters...
Never accept convos? I don't accept convos with my alts either.
Ignore being targetted? - Well whoop de *bleep*'ing doo (pardon the language), but really..targetting? Frankly..me being targetted after having played this game for over 3 years, means diddly squat to me, and I'm pretty sure theres other then me who feel that way too.
I think it's important to note that sometimes making the distinction between macro'er/isk seller and a legit player with many alts, is like trying to tell Dark Shakiri from one of those weird blue robots 
*hides from DS*
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Cyan Nuevo
Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships
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Posted - 2007.09.24 03:21:00 -
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Have you ever considered that they might not be macros and just farmers?
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.24 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cyan Nuevo
Have you ever considered that they might not be macros and just farmers?
good point, perhaps they all just happened to undock at the same time and then there was a fire drill in there building 
Like Cadela Fria said, i guess it is possable that they are just alts of normal players, they have somewhat "normal" names which leads me to beleave that they are possabley just normal alts, but then that would me unfairley stereotypeing all farmers as being non-english speaking 
Useuley its stuff like this that to me at least is 100% confirmation of macroing.
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w0rmy
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.09.24 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ki Tarra
Originally by: Thanos Draicon
So how do you know it's not just one guy with 4 accounts?
Like Thanos said, where is the proof that a macro was used and this is not just some guy who made several accounts at the same time and runs them manually which is perfectly legit.
The syncronised movement gives away the fact its not a singular user.
That is of course, unless he has 4 arms.
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I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic
I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.24 04:55:00 -
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are you calling us four armed freaks macros? 
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Hack Causality
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Posted - 2007.09.24 04:56:00 -
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Edited by: Hack Causality on 24/09/2007 04:57:08
Edited by: Hack Causality on 24/09/2007 04:56:48
I've had them in my address book, and not once in two weeks have I logged on and had any of the four offline, or seen them go offline while I've been playing.
Edit: If this is one dude legitimately playing, I admire his dedication and ponder his imminent death from sleep deprivation. |
Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.09.24 05:20:00 -
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Just because a person is running the accounts doesn't mean there's no macroing going on.
The general modus operandi for sweatshop farming is that a few workers run dozens of computers using macros, and if someone convoes/etc, they walk over to the computer and respond.
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Joshua Deakin
Gallente
The Phalanx Expeditionary Conglomerate
Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2007.09.24 05:26:00 -
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While it may be hard to prove that they are macros, it's very likely though. And I just don't understand why farming would be any more acceptable. It's not like the sweatshop farmers are playing the game as intended. In the long run they are part of what makes the game unbalanced (the effects of macroing/farming lead to undesired results). |
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.24 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Deakin
While it may be hard to prove that they are macros, it's very likely though. And I just don't understand why farming would be any more acceptable. It's not like the sweatshop farmers are playing the game as intended. In the long run they are part of what makes the game unbalanced (the effects of macroing/farming l ead to undesired results).
Because technically we are ALL farming the game. We run missions, rat, run complexes, etc for the specific reason for getting ahead in the game and making ISK. Farming is part of MMOs...
The difference is that you and I aren't selling our ISK off some website hosted in Brazil. If you can prove THAT, then they can be banned....
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
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Rump nisse
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Posted - 2007.09.24 05:53:00 -
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Edited by: Rump nisse on 24/09/2007 05:53:52
Originally by: Hack Causality
They're all in the same corp, started on the same day, are sitting in formation outside a mission station, have the exact same standings, sat outside the station for about half an hour, ignored target locks and attempted convos. Plus they're all 2 days old in NPC corps flying myrmidons, which means A: the character was put together to be able to pilot quickly, and B: they're getting a huge amount of isk for a newbie from somewhere.
erm, isnt this a bit circumstantial on the evidence side?
None of those things directly indicate macro'ing, I agree it's suspicious, but hardly anything that can be acted upon directly and with impunity by the gm's.
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Ghaelsto Kakram
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Posted - 2007.09.24 10:25:00 -
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Its basicly a cat and mouse game with CCP trying to catch people laundring ISK for RL sale. As long as loosers are buying ISK it won't go away. Best CCP can do is to give them a hard time.
And there are always some dumbass players who risk their computer being infected by virri/trojans to buy macro programs on ebay and run them on their carebear macro account. That's also a cat and mouse game basicly and its a matter of time those suckers get what they deserve. |
Stork DK
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2007.09.24 10:36:00 -
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How do even know they should be macroing?
It can just be a singly lonely dude with 4 accounts...
Secondly CCP will never... NEVER accept any screenshots from players as "proof"
Fail...
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HottieWitAbody
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Posted - 2007.09.24 10:38:00 -
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CCP doesn't care, and mission 'macros' will never earn as much as the sweatshop workers running missions 23/7 (which CCP also does nothing about). With the improvement of drone AI maybe afk mission runners will be a larger concern, but most missions spawn in waves which will just result in those myrmidons losing their drones.
If you would like an example of sweatship mission runners, go to Motsu/Saila/Irjunen. Add all the people with keyboard smash or bad english translator names to your buddylist and see if they ever log off for more than 5 minutes.
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Tharsgaard
Caldari
Fukd up Beyond all Reckognition
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Posted - 2007.09.24 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01
You said you convoŠed them, right? If yes, why would a normal player with several accounts NOT respond? All you said is a hint to either mission farmers like DS pointed out or they are macroŠs with a macro problem. Sitting outside the station for half an hour sounds suspicious if they ignore everything.
It is possible they were just testing out a spider tank and seeing how long it would run?
Did you have effects turned on when you sat there for half an hour watching them?
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VicturusTeSaluto
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Posted - 2007.09.24 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 24/09/2007 10:59:53
Originally by: Thanos Draicon
Originally by: Hack Causality
That's exactly what I think it is, one guy with four accounts making isk using a macro.
Or one guy running four accounts legally. How can you tell the difference? How can CCP tell the difference?
Are you ********?
The macros always have names that are in chinese, broken English/word combos that make no sense, or just ransom letters. They also never respond to convo- or if they do it is in chinese. Not to mention that it would be very easy to see that they are on a chinese ip range. A macro can be identified in seconds, this is no complex matter where you can mistake a player for a macro. These guys are also on 23/7.
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Barthezz
Paradox v2.0
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.24 11:54:00 -
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Seriously?
No I mean it, seriously?
So being born on the same day, flying the same ship, being in the same corp, doing the same missions in the same stations while gang warping from spot to spot makes you a macro'er?
Seriously?
Damn I didnt know that, seriously !
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Cornucopian
Gallente
Orias Fringe Enterprises
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.24 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gorthauran
In all fairness they could just be an EVE meta-gamer. There are only 4 of them and we all know how some ppl have many accounts going...although i still frown upon that. You could be right though, but i doubt there is anything CCP will do to stop a paying customer as dodgey as it may seem if they can't prove what they are(sadly the screenshot doesn't really prove anything substantial and certainly not enough for them to ban accounts)
EVE is quite the conundrum as it doesn't actually condone doing the right thing anyway.
one account per person is what CCP needs to do.
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complete win by Cornucopian!
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