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John Blackthrone
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Posted - 2004.02.17 17:21:00 -
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Just look in the Newsletter send out today. This are the new Prices:
1-month-plan Ç 14.95 Ç 14.95
3-month-plan Ç 11.95 Ç 35.85
6-month-plan Ç 10.95 Ç 65.70
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Subscription Price changes
Subscription revenues keep EVE going and make it possible to constantly improve and evolve the game. These revenues of course mainly depend on the number of active subscribers, but are also subject to other influences outside our control. Due to changes in currency rates and value added tax legislation in Europe we must adjust our subscription price plans.
Our European players will be affected by the European Union E-commerce Directive 2002/38/EC, Regulation 792/2002. This stipulates that all EU residents must pay a Value Added Tax (VAT) on electronically supplied services including online games. We are thus obligated to add a VAT on all payment transactions for customers living within the EU.
In view of this, the pricing structure for Europe will be:
Cost/month* Total cost*
1-month-plan Ç 14.95 Ç 14.95
3-month-plan Ç 11.95 Ç 35.85
6-month-plan Ç 10.95 Ç 65.70
* VAT included
For our players in the rest of the world, what affects us is that our revenues are denominated in US dollars, while our expenses are in Icelandic kronas. As you are probably aware of the US dollar has fallen in value quite dramatically in the last couple of years, and that trend doesn't seem to be changing. We can absorb usual currency fluctuations for limited periods but this has been going on for too long a time now.
In view of this, the pricing structure outside Europe will be:
Cost/month Total cost
1-month-plan $ 14.95 $ 14.95
3-month-plan $ 11.95 $ 35.85
6-month-plan $ 10.95 $ 65.70
As can be seen we have done our very best to mitigate the effects of this by keeping 3-month and 6-month plans at the same price as before and only increase the 1-month subscription rate by 2 US dollars.
The effective date of this price change is the 25th of February 2004
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.02.17 17:25:00 -
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No idea how much I'm paying currently.
How much of an increase is that? Doesn't seem like it'd be much.
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Carfax
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Posted - 2004.02.17 17:31:00 -
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Nice to see they posted a supposed email on site before sending it out. Or have they sent it out to a trial selection of subscribers tha doesn't include me?
Anyways given that its cheaper to paper your walls with dollar bills than wallpaper at the moment its not a significant price hike in Europe
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.02.17 17:33:00 -
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hmmm I didn't know this was an increase. Then again I don't really look at my bills much  oh well, I don't really give a crap, $2 more is less than I pay to ride public transit to and from school each day.
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2004.02.17 17:33:00 -
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Lets be honest, that price hike is less than a pint of beer ....
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.02.17 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Judicator on 17/02/2004 17:40:55
USD 579,51 -5,28 (Amount is danish kroner for 100 dollar)
EUR 745,14 +0,06 (Amount is danish kroner for 100 Euro)
As we can see the dollar is crap versus the euro, so a 2 euro increase is quite a big compared to a 2 dollar increase.
Thank you oh so much stupid european crap union.
Btw, allows us to pay via Paypal or so, that means we pay via a US company and they can flip european laws the bird, we just use VISA. IIRC CCP uses a european payment company. Sack them CCP!
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.02.17 17:39:00 -
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bye bye second account.
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TFH PAYN
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Posted - 2004.02.17 17:39:00 -
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No idea how much I'm paying currently.
How much of an increase is that? Doesn't seem like it'd be much.
thats a $2 USD increase a month
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.02.17 17:40:00 -
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's only to dollar/euros
no big deal 
(oi, pooti, wanna account transfer?)
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Cpt Azrael
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Posted - 2004.02.17 17:42:00 -
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Eve is still a class game imo, the price rise should be mirrored with better service and content as cash flow into ccp accounts increases regardless off passthrough to tax also is eve reclaimable on our vat returns? (kidding btw)
Plus side is that the poor children of those much loved pirate corps have to go 'cap in hand' to their parents for the extra pocket money so that they can continue nuking indys 
Hi ho..... hi ho.... its off to troll i go. diddly dum de dum de dum.....
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.02.17 17:43:00 -
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the cash isn't going into CCP's pockets though - it's going to those bloody taxmen!
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.02.17 17:44:00 -
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the cash isn't going into CCP's pockets though - it's going to those bloody taxmen!
Yeah, let us comfor ourself with the knowdledge that when the revolution comes they will be the first against the wall!!!
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.02.17 17:45:00 -
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mmm
wall
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Crausaum
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Posted - 2004.02.17 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: Crausaum on 17/02/2004 18:00:45
Also when you think about you are not really losing out as the US dollar has DROPPED meaning that you are probably only paying the same ammount as when you started EVE (assuming you started a few months back), due to the exchange rate. But I guess that dosn't apply if you live in the US itself. Also in the case of europe I guess since your exchane rate hasn't changed you are kinda being jerked by the tax man.
Hrm, tax on electronic services. Souns like they where trying to tax online ****. That would net a huge ammount of cash...
Edit: I'm not gonna bypass the word filter so use your imagination. Just think "adult entertainment".
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.17 17:57:00 -
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Quote:
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the cash isn't going into CCP's pockets though - it's going to those bloody taxmen!
Yeah, let us comfor ourself with the knowdledge that when the revolution comes they will be the first against the wall!!!
That'd be the Revolution - Soon Ö courtesy of CCP I take it?
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.02.17 17:59:00 -
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Wow, if the kronas is so strong to the Dollar, maybe you can take my extra $2 and buy some more hardware for cheap, right?
CCP, Your 3rd grade economics excuses are feeble and weak. Just be a man and raise the prices straight up.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.02.17 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral IceBlock on 17/02/2004 18:07:40
Edited by: Admiral IceBlock on 17/02/2004 18:06:04
it seems to me only the US and the country's in EU (European Union) that gets a increase?
"We brake for nobody"
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Ishkur
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Posted - 2004.02.17 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Ishkur on 17/02/2004 18:06:09
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Wow, if the kronas is so strong to the Dollar, maybe you can take my extra $2 and buy some more hardware for cheap, right?
If they take your dollars, and are buying equipment in dollars, then it doesn't much matter what the exchange rate is... Does it?
But if they are trying to you know, feed their families, then yeah, it matters when you give them $13 American which is really maybe $10 American two years ago.
For more information about why the once-strong U.S. Dollar is now so weak, click here :)
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.02.17 18:13:00 -
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Quote:
it seems to me only the US and the country's in EU (European Union) that gets a increase?
No,
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For our players in the rest of the world, what affects us is that our revenues are denominated in US dollars, while our expenses are in Icelandic kronas.
For some reason their accountants are using "that dirty US dollar" for the rest of the world. As opposed to using the Euro.
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2004.02.17 18:16:00 -
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Eh, the subscription increase doesn't bother me, only a tiny bit more to pay.
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.02.17 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Wraeththu on 17/02/2004 18:23:59
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Eh, the subscription increase doesn't bother me, only a tiny bit more to pay.
The price doesn't bother me. It's on par with the rest of the games. It's their silly excuses for doing it that do.
It's like the kid that comes into class with "my dog ate my homework"
Be a man, stand up, say
"Our game has taken hold, due to inflation and our desire to expand on it, we're increasing our costs to reflect the industrial standard" if you have to give a reason. Not some weak reasoning based on the fluctuations of global currency. If they want to stabilize, stop banking in Dollars.
Edit: To make matters worse, they don't raise the 3-month 6-month costs? Seems like a push for people to stop going monthly to me.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.02.17 18:25:00 -
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Seems like a push for people to stop going monthly to me.
Exactly.
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Aldelphius
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Posted - 2004.02.17 18:27:00 -
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i would love to pay by 6months, it would be easier, but how do i change it from the 1 month plan??
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.02.17 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Wraeththu on 17/02/2004 18:31:40
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i would love to pay by 6months, it would be easier, but how do i change it from the 1 month plan??
On the left there's a menu item for 'account management'. Click that.
There should be 3 options. Choose the last one "Modify an existing account"
It will then ask you to log in as your Eve account.
Once succesfully logged in, there should be 3 tabbed panels. Choose 'Billing Info'
Click the brown link at the bottom 'Edit Billing Info'
Halfway down there's a combo box next to the label 'Subscription type:'
Choose the subscription you want then click the 'Update billing info' button at the bottom
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Aldelphius
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Posted - 2004.02.17 18:43:00 -
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great, thanks for the help, i was looking in the subscription info. thanks.
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Gryganne
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Posted - 2004.02.17 19:05:00 -
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1 Euro = 1.28 Dollar currently
If you are in Europe, you just won a 28% suscription price increase!
Grats :(
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.02.17 19:25:00 -
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on the issue of currency and how bad it is effecting certain aspects of our lives
Because the US dollar is so low the US military base in Iceland has run out of money to pay the employes because they get payed in ISK.
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Ayar Cachi
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Posted - 2004.02.17 20:04:00 -
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Yay! I like the sub price increase. I was worried a few months ago they weren't charging enough to ensure plenty of funds for more development of new stuff (and more/better hardware).
Plus enough to make sure the devs get raises for reading all the crap here on the forums and then going postal ("danger pay" and/or "mental health stipend").
Price increase has raised me confidence in the game :) Can I pay more to have Zor back in *now*, not soon(tm)(sm)(c)?
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.02.17 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Wraeththu on 17/02/2004 20:22:53
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1 Euro = 1.28 Dollar currently
If you are in Europe, you just won a 28% suscription price increase!
It's worse for the countries like Canada, who get triply borked because CCP is playing exchange games with Euros and Dollars and using whichever one behoves them in each case.
As for the Euro players paying more, U.S. citizens get their cash stripped out with income tax before we get around to VAT, so it's 6 of one, half dozen of the other.
I can only assume, given the fact that 3 and 6 month subscription prices weren't touched, they're trying to stabilize their quarterly numbers to do something. I hope it's something useful like getting loan options to expand, and not just due to accounting shinanigans, or trying to milk off a rapid influx of players who may or may not choose to leave quickly due to issues. Without knowing their subscription count, it's hard to tell.
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WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2004.02.17 20:23:00 -
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I can't see how they can increase the price after less than 1 year... Considering how this game is one dissappointment after another. I'll definitely not renew now...
7 days left for me, but who cares, I stopped playing a month ago...
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