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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.02.18 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: SwitchBl4d3 on 18/02/2004 11:55:50
Interesting. Especially about VAT
cool i pay using a US bank accoutn rather than UK will that work ?
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.02.18 11:54:00 -
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These are the rates of VAT for European countries:
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Belgium 21%
Denmark 25%
Germany 16%
Greece 18%
Spain 16%
France 19.6%
Ireland 21%
Italy 20%
Luxembourg 15%
Netherlands 19%
Austria 20%
Portugal 19%
Finland 22%
Sweden 25%
United Kingdom 17.5%
What I want to know is why there are now 2 currencies that are being charged? Using the 6 month plan as an example:
Ç10.95 = $14.05
$10.95 = Ç8.53
If we assume the HIGHEST rate of VAT, 25%, the price to us Euros would be $10.66
Not freaking $14.05.
You're economics and maths are wrong, CCP, either let us all pay in Dollars and add the VAT to us euro's, or in 3 months I'm cancelling 3 accounts.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.02.18 12:26:00 -
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Quote:
These are the rates of VAT for European countries:
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Belgium 21%
Denmark 25%
Germany 16%
Greece 18%
Spain 16%
France 19.6%
Ireland 21%
Italy 20%
Luxembourg 15%
Netherlands 19%
Austria 20%
Portugal 19%
Finland 22%
Sweden 25%
United Kingdom 17.5%
What I want to know is why there are now 2 currencies that are being charged? Using the 6 month plan as an example:
€10.95 = $14.05
$10.95 = €8.53
If we assume the HIGHEST rate of VAT, 25%, the price to us Euros would be $10.66
Not freaking $14.05.
You're economics and maths are wrong, CCP, either let us all pay in Dollars and add the VAT to us euro's, or in 3 months I'm cancelling 3 accounts.
Right now I am getting billed in USD and my bank statement even goes to such great lenght as telling me how many DKR that was. If my next bill from CCP inclues a 50% increase as some suggest I think I'll go play Anarchy Online or just wait for WoW.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.02.18 13:40:00 -
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Quote:
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These are the rates of VAT for European countries:
Right now I am getting billed in USD and my bank statement even goes to such great lenght as telling me how many DKR that was. If my next bill from CCP inclues a 50% increase as some suggest I think I'll go play Anarchy Online or just wait for WoW.
Same here, if it continues in Dollars with added VAT I'm happy, don't try and convert me to Euros, especially not at those prices - we opted out of the Euro for a reason :D
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Zecht Wisto
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Posted - 2004.02.18 13:52:00 -
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pay by 3 month subscriptions then... you save almost 10 bucks....
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.02.18 13:55:00 -
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We sure did opt out of the euro. This new scheme of CCP's is sweet for US citizens while Europeans get shafted. If they got any sense up there I suggest they charge everyone in USD. Right now it is convinient for them to charge europeans in Euro because it will net them more profit.
14.95 USD for 1 Month for EVERYONE. Then I'll be happy as the terms are even.
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Ariisha
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:00:00 -
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The most sensible way for CCP to do it would be to charge everyone in Euro. Heck, this way they would have a reliable income, and not that inflationary $ crap.
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Black Shadow
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:00:00 -
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i close the account i don't want to continue at these conditions.
today (18-2-04) Ç and $
14.05761 USD = 10.95 EUR
10.95 USA = 8.52937 EUR
10,95Ç = 14,05761$ = +28,38%
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John Zeppe
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:02:00 -
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So, is it confirmed that 3- and 6-month subscription prices will stay the same?
In that case, I'll switch to 3 months and stay.
If I need to pay Ç14.95 for 2 accounts I'm outta here. Can't afford that, considering how huge the difference is from $12.95 
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Coupe Soleil
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:03:00 -
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From the EULA:
4. SUBSCRIPTION FEES AND PAYMENT TERMS
After the Trial Period, you are required to pay a subscription fee to maintain your Account, access the System and play EVEÖ. You are informed of the subscription fee and payment terms during the registration process. The current subscription fee and payment terms may be viewed at http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/pricing.asp, and are incorporated in the EULA by reference. CCP may amend the subscription fee and payment terms at any time.
All subscription fees are in U.S. Dollars and are non-refundable unless expressly stated otherwise in the EULA. When you establish your Account, you authorize CCP to automatically charge your credit card the subscription fees in accordance with the payment terms (as may be amended by CCP from time to time), plus any applicable taxes that CCP is required to collect. If CCP is unable to process your credit card at any time, your Account may be immediately suspended or terminated at CCP's discretion.
You are responsible for reviewing CCP's website for changes in the subscription fee or payment terms. If a change is unacceptable to you, you may, as your sole and exclusive remedy, terminate the EULA and close your Account as described in the termination section below. You are responsible for paying all applicable taxes (including those CCP is not required to collect) and for all hardware, software, Internet service and other costs you incur to access the System.
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According to the EULA all subscription fees are in US dollars.  Fine. Then why change it to euros for Europeans then?? Yes, CCP has the right to change it whenever they see fit, but this way they only make the game more expensive for European players! And to change it to euros for the tax only doesn't make sense either. Let us pay tax in dollars then. Could somebody from CCP please explain why we have to pay in Euros suddenly?
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shakaZ XIV
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:07:00 -
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hmm looks like i was just in time with my sub  that is, if they process it before the 25th ...gogogo
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Postman
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:08:00 -
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According to the EULA all subscription fees are in US dollars. Fine. Then why change it to euros for Europeans then?? Yes, CCP has the right to change it whenever they see fit, but this way they only make the game more expensive for European players! And to change it to euros for the tax only doesn't make sense either. Let us pay tax in dollars then. Could somebody from CCP please explain why we have to pay in Euros suddenly?
I would like to know the same thing. 35 euro or 35 dollar is a VERY big difference. I don't think i will continue to play, or i will change my country to USA or go PayByCash. Either way, I'm frauding, but i don't want to pay 20 dollar more just because i life in Europe and not the USA.
The tax rate is fine, but this euro/dollar bs is going to make alot of people stop playing. Have fun with a virtually complete USA game 
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:14:00 -
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Crap crap crap
We are talking about a 27% increase in price for european customers I mean wtf? Isnt that a *bit* absurd? 
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:19:00 -
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For uk people, it works out at roughly ú10. Not that much really.
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John Zeppe
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:23:00 -
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Now: $12.95*2 = 182 SEK
Later: Ç14.95*2 = 271 SEK
Difference $12.30
In other words, 2 accounts for the price of 3...
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Postman
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:24:00 -
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I wouldn't mind a increase, but if they increase Europe more then the USA by a whopping 27% ON TOP of the tax increase, then i'm out of here.
I think if this is reality and not some typing or calculation error on the side of CCP, then EVE might lose alot of the European players (which form almost half of the game community). Daytime will be empty then  (GMT daytime, GMT night is USA daytime).
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Ariisha
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:25:00 -
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Its fairly easy:
both parts of CCP (Iceland and UK) are directly linked to the EURO region. So they suffer heavily from the crashing dollar.
But: it realy is unfair to charge europeans in EURO while charging everyone else in $.
As said above: the economical most sensible way for CCP would be to charge everyone in EURO, and charging EUropeans an additional VAT. According to the directive this HAS to be the VAT of the customer, so 16% for germans, 17,5% for UK, 25% for danes.
What would be the result of that?
Well, the price would slowly increase for US-americans. It would stay stable for EUropeans, and it would slightly fluctuate for all others.
The overall income of CCP would stay stable.
What happens if they leave it as planned?
The price would stay stable for US-americans and EUropeans. It would slowly decrease for all others.
The overall income of CCP would decrease.
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Busko Moonwalker
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:28:00 -
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Well i dont know why they post the Euro price.
What euro players should check is what the 14.95 dollars is in euro coz thats what they going to pay.
Lucky for me and bunch of other players is that Sweden havent adopted the euro yet :D
Still every time i pay i get from my back CCP 12.95 = 98SEK :P or whatever it was last :D.
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:37:00 -
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What euro players should check is what the 14.95 dollars is in euro coz thats what they going to pay.
Lucky for me and bunch of other players is that Sweden havent adopted the euro yet :D
Wrong, you're euro you are gonna pay in euros now .
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Coupe Soleil
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:41:00 -
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Quote:
Well i dont know why they post the Euro price.
What euro players should check is what the 14.95 dollars is in euro coz thats what they going to pay.
Lucky for me and bunch of other players is that Sweden havent adopted the euro yet :D
Still every time i pay i get from my back CCP 12.95 = 98SEK :P or whatever it was last :D.
You're wrong here:As it is said in the newsletter the European players will be charged in Euros. There's no point in posting euro-prices if they're calculated from the dollar-price because that changes regularly.
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Aurelius Zarander
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Aurelius Zarander on 18/02/2004 14:44:13
The difference won't be as big as some people believe it is..
Taking the 1 month price: Ç14,95 and $14,95
When they calculate the 20% VAT on the dollar price it will cost you $17,94 and calculated on the euro it will be $19,43 with the current dollar..
Calculated back this is around Ç1,4 a month higher than when you pay in dollars
Not that much of a difference but the way it's being introduced is a bit weird and causes alot of confusion among the players..
Edit: Ofcourse it's still a 27% raise because of the *profanity* EU taxes but you can't blaim CCP for that 
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Nemesis I
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Nemesis I on 18/02/2004 15:21:35
I just did these calcs sorry if they on already! Oh and alot of people are forgetting to add in the $2 increase which if we all stayed at US prices would of been added with the justification CCP gave!
UK
Old price $12.95 = ú6.79
The $2 increase = ú1.05
VAT (UK Based so known 17.5%) = ú1.37
Justified Cost = ú9.21
New price 14.95 EUROS = ú10.08
Excess ú.87 UK players are being charged $ 1.66 over US players
Euro Countries
Old price 12.95 Dollars = E 10.08
Factor in the $2 increase = E 1.56
EU Tax at worst case 25% = E 2.91
Justified Cost = E14.55
New price = E14.95
Excess = E 0.40
Though remember this is worse case scenario some could be paying E1.50 more than needed
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Aurelius Zarander
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:50:00 -
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As you can see in the list posted on page 5:
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Belgium 21%
Denmark 25%
Germany 16%
Greece 18%
Spain 16%
France 19.6%
Ireland 21%
Italy 20%
Luxembourg 15%
Netherlands 19%
Austria 20%
Portugal 19%
Finland 22%
Sweden 25%
United Kingdom 17.5%
The taxes range from 15% to 25% so it looks like they took the average tax and used that for all countries..
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Ariisha
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:52:00 -
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Its 10% more then the americans pay. AND that is enough to make me angry. I aint gonna pay more for the same product without a good reason.
VAT IS a good reason, and I don't have a problem paying 65,70$* 1,16 = 76,21$ for 6 month.
Neither do I have a problem if the price goes to 51 EURO plus VAT.
But it has to be the same price for everyone (+VAT).
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Stront3h
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Stront3h on 18/02/2004 15:24:34
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from ZDnet UK
VAT changes
On 1 July, a new EU directive came into effect requiring all Internet companies to account for VAT on "digital sales". The law adds a 15 percent to 25 percent levy on select Internet transactions such as software and music downloads, monthly subscriptions to an Internet service provider and on any product purchased through an online auction anywhere in the 15-member bloc of nations.
The VAT tax is nothing new for some Net companies. European dot-coms have been charging customers VAT since their inception. Their overseas rivals, though, have been exempt, making foreign companies an obvious choice for the bargain-hunting consumer. Freeserve has lobbied furiously for the past two years to get the loophole closed, saying its chief rival, AOL UK, saved $249.7m (ú150m) in tax payments over the years.
Affected companies are handling the new tax load in a variety of ways. AOL Europe, for instance, relocated its continental headquarters to tiny Luxembourg, one of the EU's cheaper tax regimes.
If your company is already based in the EU then you should already be paying VAT
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I say this because of the "anywhere in the 15-member bloc of nations" bit.
Btw Iceland is not a member of the EU it's a member of the EEA not sure what the difference is, but looking at the above could someone verify if we should be paying VAT?
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Aurelius Zarander
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Aurelius Zarander on 18/02/2004 15:00:57
nm, misread..
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Auman
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Posted - 2004.02.18 15:22:00 -
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Can EU players opt to pay in dollars?
As far as I'm aware there is no EU law that states CCP has to charge in euros, only that EU customers must have the option to purchase in euros (I could be getting that confused with something else, or it might not apply in this instance so don't quote me  ).
Being from the UK I would prefer to pay in dollars given the current exchange rates 
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Absolute0
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Posted - 2004.02.18 15:28:00 -
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Btw Iceland is not a member of the EU it's a member of the EEA not sure what the difference is, but looking at the above could someone verify if we should be paying VAT?
If your in a country in the EU you pay VAT on any subscription it doesn't matter where they are it's where you are.
I've got no problem with a small increase in the monthly price but I do think everyone should pay a basic fee and the VAT of the country they are in.
This is from one of the EU tax website "under
the new rules, the location that is used in
determining taxation will shift from the place
the service provider or operator is established
to the place where the recipient of the servic-es
is located."
Might be wrong here but doesn't that mean they can't charge one VAT rate for all players in the EU but must charge for the county they are playing from?
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.02.18 15:36:00 -
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For uk people, it works out at roughly ú10. Not that much really.
But if it was based on USD it would only be a fiver ;)
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Ariisha
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Posted - 2004.02.18 15:38:00 -
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You are 100% right.
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