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Ly'sol	Posted - 2004.02.18 05:49:00 - [61] Quote: Quote: Bleh...I didnt even mean for that statement to go around. blinks damn I almost gave my nationality away. Whats next who and what I am!! Noo Sir ree! POLARIUS!! Kill this thread!!! Real Life is seeping in!! Protect me!! well it's the truth. =/ Stoppit!! Stoppit!! Bad Rat!! Shooosh! -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
swisher	Posted - 2004.02.18 06:45:00 - [62] Well if this is true then CCP is getting greedy..I'll end up close'n my account since I'm poor and cant afford another 2 dollars that is a extra 24 dollars a year ontop of the normal 12.95 a month. Well time to watch the server numbers go down..this most had been a market scam all along...you get the number up and jack the price up... If you guys say want to jack the price up then do it with the new players comin in the game but for the ones that have been here BETA TESTING IT OUT FOR THE LAST 8 MONTHS leave it the same rate we agreed on..because that is atleast what we need to get for putting up with all the problems that we have and still have in eve... Just my thoughts... -swish
swisher	Posted - 2004.02.18 06:54:00 - [63] ok this is crap...I was goin to save a few bucks by goin ahead and doing a 6month deal @ 12.95 but look what is says on the billin infor.. Note: Updating credit card information does not charge your card until the next due date, 29. February 2004. CCP..you are greedy bastards...blah fix the game make it worth payin more and I'll feel better.. -swish
Amaron Ghant	Posted - 2004.02.18 07:13:00 - [64] OK this seriously bites my bum where nothing else about the game has. European Union Price per month for the game is 14.95 euros At todays dollar exchange rate thats 19.3007 dollars http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi My bill for feb was 12.95 dollars.(don't know why dollars but there you go) It's an increase of over 50% for me (I live in Finland) European tax my hairy backside. This is profiteering on the back of increased numbers. There is no way thay can justify a price increase of over 50% due to a European directive. Consider me not particularly happy for the first time in 3 months of playing. Roids are a Menece I tell you, hunt then down I say, hunt them down!! Amaron Ghant the Mad Caldari Miner
Vlad Damian	Posted - 2004.02.18 07:18:00 - [65] Edited by: Vlad Damian on 18/02/2004 07:32:32 Edited by: Vlad Damian on 18/02/2004 07:26:17 I do find it odd that ccp is jacking up the subscription price right as they are gaining more and more customers. I was trying to justify paying for eve; asking myself if I should drop my account. I think CCP may have just decided for me. (And no, you can't have my stuff. My friends and corpmates get it ) I just find it hard to believe that CCP is in financial trouble... at the same time that they are telling us that the number of subscribers is increasing every day? I think people should be a little more questioning of this odd change in policy. I think the loyal fans who have backed CCP through the many bugs and fear of EVE tanking deserve a little more consideration than "uh, we tried out best... but economic stuff... um... yeah give us more money." I also kinda feel that we (the players) deserve a little more content... maybe shiva perhaps... before you (ccp) can truely justify raising subscription prices this much. P.S. Maybe we should start a charity. People with too much money can pay the subscription price difference for other poor eve addicts P.S.S. If CCP is in trouble, why don't they put up a paypal donate button like other artists do (webcomics and other web services)? Then people with a lot of money who really love the game can donate extra.
Severus Trajan	Posted - 2004.02.18 07:31:00 - [66] Edited by: Severus Trajan on 18/02/2004 07:33:06 Silly conspiracy theories aside, it would be very odd if CCP wasn't affected by the same influences that are currently making the international economy tick (or not). Yes, the international economy affects both YOU and CCP. If you are bothered by pricing changes due to a fluctuating world economy, when purchasing from an international company, please do us all a favour and take a moment to remove head from ass.
Vlad Damian	Posted - 2004.02.18 07:36:00 - [67] Edited by: Vlad Damian on 18/02/2004 07:45:49 Is there anyone with an conomic major playing eve? If anyone has a good grasp on the world economy, please, I implore you, explain to me what exactly has happened to the economy that would cause ccp to raise their prices so much. -Thanks -Cheers
Jehova	Posted - 2004.02.18 07:41:00 - [68] Please keep the discussion on topic. No politics, no flames, keep the thread nice. _________________________________________________________ [email protected]
Severus Trajan	Posted - 2004.02.18 07:46:00 - [69] Edited by: Severus Trajan on 18/02/2004 07:48:09 Quote: explain to me what exactly has happened to the economy that would cause ccp to raise their prices so much. See post on page 3 by Wyrminaard. (Alternatively, forego computer games in favour of watching news on the telly once in a while.)
Vlad Damian	Posted - 2004.02.18 07:56:00 - [70] Ahh. Good point Severus. This would be where i say "my bad." Although Wyrminaard's post makes sense... it doesn't take into account that fact that the number of subscribers has increased dramatically since the game went live less than a year ago (something that many ccp employees have commented on)... i think a thousand or five thousand additional accounts (something like 12,950 - 64,750 us per month) would more than cover any economic change in the us dollar and the isk. Then again i don't know anything about economics. (By the way... I hope people understand that i'm genuinely interested in figuring this out... i'm not whining or trying to be confrontational.) -Cheers
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.02.18 08:12:00 - [71] Wonder if CCP will decrease the price when the Euro/Dollar gets more expensive. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Silverlancer	Posted - 2004.02.18 08:24:00 - [72] The 3-month and 6-month prices stay the same guys! Who cares about 1-month?
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.02.18 08:41:00 - [73] Quote: The 3-month and 6-month prices stay the same guys! Who cares about 1-month? If you pay 6 months and get banned on month 2 then you have to pay the other 4 months, no mather if you can play em or not. Trust me, it happens and i had it happen to me. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Skuregyon	Posted - 2004.02.18 09:07:00 - [74] 10.95 Euro = 14.05761 USA - Dollar 10.95 USA - Dollar (USD) = 8.52937 Euro (EUR) NO WAY !!!!! THIS is a robbery...... Im European, and not have other word to hate this method....or ALL payments in Çuro's or ALL payments Dollar$...CCP think on this! REMEMBER AESCorporation, the First All Italian Corp. in EVE...fan since 2000 ! Skuregyon: Property of Shinra !
Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2004.02.18 09:37:00 - [75] 14.95 Euros = ú10.08 at todays currency exchange rates.
Kunming	Posted - 2004.02.18 09:50:00 - [76] Tax is actually supposed to return as service... You pay lots of tax when you have a car, cause building roads arent cheap, BUT what service does EU provide for E-TAX? Do they reduce lag, bring in more players, add more content? NO!! This is just another stupid idea EU! Intercepting since BETA
Busko Moonwalker	Posted - 2004.02.18 10:04:00 - [77] Lucky me :P i still pay in dollars even tho i live in euro :P 2 dollars isent much and i use the 3month subscription that dident change. So there is no big change for me the peeps that lost the most is thos that pay in euro.
LukAsh	Posted - 2004.02.18 10:09:00 - [78] Edited by: LukAsh on 18/02/2004 10:11:22 For me it's not just mere $2 a month - a candybar price... For me it's change from $13/month to 15EU/month. It's 50% raise. My internet connection cost will be more or less equal to bill from EVE. St I could buy myself normal game w/o bugs, frequent crashes (I lost a cruiser yeasterday becouse of a crash and beeing unable to connect soon enough) and lazy devs on top of it each month ! Fk this I like EVE a lot but it's not worth 15EU a month - it's highest bill I've ever seen on a mmorpg. ___ WTB: +5 Implants.
Kovak	Posted - 2004.02.18 10:34:00 - [79] To the europeans it ain't ccp's fault blame the EU for taxing online subscriptions and hence raising prices. Bear in mind you've got to add in all the extra admin now that they actually have to deduct and pay the tax. For the americans blame your government for driving the price of the dollar down by 30%. As a side not you know how the american stock market has been rocketing away over the last year.... I wonder how big those gains are when you consider that the dollar is worth 30% ish less than it did a year ago....
Attila	Posted - 2004.02.18 10:44:00 - [80] DREAMWORKS Wonder if CCP will decrease the price when the Euro/Dollar gets more expensive. Very good question! This is the first time I have seen a MMORPG raise it's prices so much due to world money market fluctuations. As Dream said: will CCP LOWER the monthly subscription when the US dollar makes gains (as it will). I highly doubt it. I know that in the last 4 months, the rate has gone from approx 1.72$/pound to it's current 1.95$/pound(approx). Last question: has any other MMORPG (Everquest, AO, etc) raised it's prices for these reasons? I enjoy EVE, and as long as CCP makes continual improvements, I will pay-to-play. I wonder if possible sale of Simon & Schuster Games had anything to do with this..... "Keep the Smak low, and the ROF high" CELES KILL BOARD: http://www.celeskills.com/index.php?mode=kill
LukAsh	Posted - 2004.02.18 10:56:00 - [81] Quote: To the europeans it ain't ccp's fault blame the EU for taxing online subscriptions and hence raising prices. Bear in mind you've got to add in all the extra admin now that they actually have to deduct and pay the tax. For the americans blame your government for driving the price of the dollar down by 30%. As a side not you know how the american stock market has been rocketing away over the last year.... I wonder how big those gains are when you consider that the dollar is worth 30% ish less than it did a year ago.... Oh that's is just big bullsh... So why they don't rise everything equally - just the 1 month subscription?? Why they have 2 currencies not 1? My best guess is that they want more people on long-term subscription becouse they have too many 1 or 2 month players who quit for various reasons. After more than 8 months having only 7k players isn't very impressive... [conspiracy theory mode on] Another thing - what if Shiva wont be introduced soonÖ ?? Or what if there will be nothing after it? [conspiracy theory mode off] ___ WTB: +5 Implants.
Naran Darkmood	Posted - 2004.02.18 11:12:00 - [82] The reason, other MMORPG haen`t increases there price is, that most of them have there devteam and there servers in the same country, namely the US. So there is no problem for them if the exchange rate drops. Most of the costs staz fixed. Here is the problem, that CCP`s expenses are in Icelanding Krona (for the staff) and - most likely - British Pound for the servers/bandwidth/connection, but thez were charging USD for the subsciption fee. If thez haven`t done some hedging on their income, they are pretty stuffed with the drop of the USD as a lot of other companies are (it`s nearly a wonder thez aren`t broke). Unfortunately, for me leaving in the EU, it`s a little too much an increase, as I`ve nearlz stopped plazing ATM. So mostlikely, I won`t subscribe again. but who knows... ----------------------------------------------- The following bonuses may be awarded to you: 27 units of Basic Expanded Cargohold at if you complete the mission
Vanishing Lex	Posted - 2004.02.18 11:20:00 - [83] Edited by: Vanishing Lex on 18/02/2004 11:42:32 Don't tell me to blame the EU for VAT increases. This price increase by CCP is FAR in excess of what they are supposed to be charging to account for that EU regulation. A regulation that I might add has been in force since July 1st last year. If you live in Europe This price increase is GREATLY UNFAIR. This is a price increase in the 1 month account from 13 dollars to over 19. thats about 50% increase. VAT in the UK where i live is 17.5% I checked the EU Regulations. the company is Obliged to charge VAT at the rate of which the customer's country does. the pay 3 monthly and 6 monthly account prices under Euros are 28% HIGHER than the Dollar equivalents In real terms. The highest VAT rate in the EU is 25% (denmark) The lowest is 7.5% (switzerland) That means people are payign between 3% and 20.5% for their accounts in Europe under the new pricing than the VAT excuse allows for depending where you live. in the UK where the BIGGEST number of players in the Eve community comes from it is a 10.5% increase in price which is unexplained for. Then if you pay monthly in europe you also get hit with an EXTRA 20% increase on what you were paying before these increases on top of the extra above VAT rates. Why this 20% increase in account prices for 1 month accounts? are europeans supposed to subsidise CCP for the falling rate of the dollar? Is that fair??? In conclusion - if you live in europe CCP are being unfair to you and it's a country lottery as to how unfair. If you live in the UK and pay monthly then you just got a 32%ish cost increase above the VAT rate they have given as the reason for the price rises. CCP are being unfair and manipulative to europeans and hoping they wont notice in swappign over from dollars to Euros. COMPLAIN! - if enough of the community threaten to close their accounts, then CCP will be forced to be more fair. --------------------------------- Cogito ergo sum. I think therefore I am. Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum. I think I think, therefore I think I am.
Altaka Hiltora	Posted - 2004.02.18 11:25:00 - [84] Ooooo in that case, I'm looking forward to the US$ becoming stronger again, I'm sure we can all expect a price reduction "You have to sometimes make sacrifices for the greater good and not be manipulated by those who have no understanding - brother"
Fastoso	Posted - 2004.02.18 11:29:00 - [85] I think i'll leave soon that game and community... that game begin to be too much expensive... Sorry
Attila	Posted - 2004.02.18 11:33:00 - [86] "Council Directive 2002/38/EC, in force from 1st July 2003, changes the EU rules for charging Value Added Tax (VAT) on the supply over electronic networks (i.e. digital delivery) of software and computer services generally, plus information and cultural, artistic, sporting, scientific, educational, entertainment or similar services. From now on, these services will be taxed in the country where the customer resides rather than where the supplier is located. For the purpose of the Directive, the services concerned are defined as "electronic services" or "electronically supplied services". The changes in their tax treatment will eliminate a long-standing competitive distortion by ensuring that both non-EU suppliers and EU suppliers are subject to the same VAT rules when they are providing electronic services to EU customers. From 1st July 2003, EU suppliers will no longer be obliged to charge European VAT when selling on markets outside the EU." Sorry that was so long, but I have a question: is the UK officially in the EU, because according to the above statement from http://europa.eu.int/comm/taxation_customs/taxation/ecommerce/vat_en_faq.htm#1changes non-EU customers are exempt from the VAT. Could be some lawsuits coming from this one CCP......As someone said the VAT charged should be the same as the customers home/residence, not some "blanket" VAT made up by CCP. "Keep the Smak low, and the ROF high" CELES KILL BOARD: http://www.celeskills.com/index.php?mode=kill
Vanishing Lex	Posted - 2004.02.18 11:37:00 - [87] The UK is a full founding member of the EU. i think also you have misinterpreted the law. It effectively means that Icelandic and other non-EU companies have to charge VAT to their customers. This charge should be at the VAT rate of the customers country. as you can see in my above post - this is not what they are doing. BURN THEM. --------------------------------- Cogito ergo sum. I think therefore I am. Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum. I think I think, therefore I think I am.
Attila	Posted - 2004.02.18 11:44:00 - [88] Gotcha VL...thanks for the enlightenment. My next question is...if this has been in effect since July'03, has CCP NOT been charging the EU enforced VAT? Or, like most items purchased, was the VAT already included in the subscription fee, just not segregated on our bank/credit card statements? Like others have said..this raise in fee's for EU players reeks of CCP wanting more 3 and 6 month subscriptions to pad the coffers. I will pay it, for now. We'll see how many others do, in time.... "Keep the Smak low, and the ROF high" CELES KILL BOARD: http://www.celeskills.com/index.php?mode=kill
Thyro	Posted - 2004.02.18 11:44:00 - [89] Quote: the cash isn't going into CCP's pockets though - it's going to those bloody taxmen! bla bla bla bla and more bla ... CCP move ur HQ to off-shore and u don't have to increase the game prices... TAX isn't a escuse earn more money... The game price has increased more than 10% even more than 20% for EU players... and don't blame the f~u~c~k~i~n~g EU laws ... get off-shore or reduce the prices that you ask to acomodate that TAX... OR to justify that increase then PROVIDE A COMPLETE GAME with all features anonced year ago in a BOX and manual (AND NOT AVAILABLE YET... neither will be next year) beside a provide better service... with less shutdowns, CTD and show connectivity! TAX insn't a excuse to increse the price of an already expensive game!
Haratu	Posted - 2004.02.18 11:48:00 - [90] I renewed my account only 24hrs before the announcement. I kinda saw this coming though, the falling $US was actually one of the reasons I started playing. I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century.

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