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Areena Shay Shay Trading Company	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:02:00 - [1] If you have to spy to win in PvP, you really suck. Not just a little either.
Hellaciouss Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:03:00 - [2] Easily claims first post.
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:04:00 - [3] If you have to post with an alt, then you fail at forum whoring...
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:05:00 - [4] Originally by: Areena Shay If you have to spy to win in PvP, you must have been in new eden for more than a day. Not just a little either. fixed
Areena Shay Shay Trading Company	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:05:00 - [5] This is my main now! 1 character sold to IAC member. 1 character deleted.
EVIL SYNNs Minmatar The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:08:00 - [6] Yeah anyone that spys FAILS.... CIA FAIL MI6 FAIL KGB FAIL Get over it m8. Spying is part of life, and if your a good FC you put crap out there as well to confuse your enemy! NO SIG REQURIED
Levka Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:09:00 - [7] I spy with my little eye something that starts with "G". Like it or not spying is part of the game. This is not WoW where when you die you just run back and ready to go again. In a matter of days you can lose something you worked for for months. Stakes are very high in EVE and if spying will give you upper hand then SPY AWAY. Is it ethical? Probably not, but who cares, its a game right. RIGHT? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:10:00 - [8] Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 02/10/2007 16:11:59 Originally by: Levka I spy with my little eye something that starts with "G". Like it or not spying is part of the game. This is not WoW where when you die you just run back and ready to go again. In a matter of days you can lose something you worked for for months. Stakes are very high in EVE and if spying will give you upper hand then SPY AWAY. Is it ethical? Probably not, but who cares, its a game right. RIGHT? yes, it is ethical. yes, it is a game. edited for elaboration. ethical is defined as conforming to accepted standards of social or professional behavior; "an ethical lawyer"; "ethical medical practice"; "had no ethical objection to drinking"; the profession in question being spies/espionage.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:10:00 - [9] Originally by: Areena Shay If you have to spy to win in PvP, you really suck. Not just a little either. Sori bud but gotta disagree with ya on this one. Spying is a part of eve and life and a good FC knows and expects this to be the case and works with and around it to his/her advantage. The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this is my forum smack alt.
Stoffer Ninjapirate Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:10:00 - [10] Spying is the backbone in modern EVE warfare. There isn't a single top tier alliance out there that doesn't spy, and for good reason. If you don't like spies, it's most likely because you're in a horrible alliance that has either been booted back to empire, or will be when an alliance with half a clue attacks you.
Areena Shay Shay Trading Company	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:10:00 - [11] Hey genius. This isn't real life! This is a game! Using real life to justify conduct in a game is pathetic and stupid. Here watch: Well since the CIA spys, it should be ok for NFL teams to spy on other teams! Tell your momma I am coming over to spank you.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:13:00 - [12] Originally by: Areena Shay Hey genius. This isn't real life! This is a game! Using real life to justify conduct in a game is pathetic and stupid. Here watch: Well since the CIA spys, it should be ok for NFL teams to spy on other teams! Tell your momma I am coming over to spank you. they do. and you still fail.
Vyres Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Areena Shay Hey genius. This isn't real life! This is a game! Using real life to justify conduct in a game is pathetic and stupid. Here watch: Well since the CIA spys, it should be ok for NFL teams to spy on other teams! Tell your momma I am coming over to spank you. Your right this isnt real life but your a moron for not realizing that since it is a game other people enjoy it differently like for example I know many people who find spying... Fun. You know fun the thing you do in Games?
Irrilian Quetzalcoatl Inc	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:14:00 - [14] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs Yeah anyone that spys FAILS.... CIA FAIL MI6 FAIL KGB FAIL Get over it m8. Spying is part of life, and if your a good FC you put crap out there as well to confuse your enemy! Im sure the above agencies would be extremely grateful if you could provide them with the ability to transfer the conciousness of their agents between people. That is to infiltrate an organisation all they'd have to do is abduct one of its members and overwrite them with a suitable agent. Spying in Eve isnt the problem per se, its the complete lack of any consequences for ones actions thanks to character transfers and alts thats an issue.
lo'ming Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:16:00 - [15] Originally by: Areena Shay Hey genius. This isn't real life! This is a game! Using real life to justify conduct in a game is pathetic and stupid. well since its a game you should take it less seriously, no? arguing ethics in a game that pretty much promotes piracy/corp-theft/spying is fail. --
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Areena Shay If you have to spy to win in PvP, you really suck Thats rightful opinion of yours. Although in current form its slightly useless: while its somewhat easy to determinate who use spying, it's very hard to tell who needed to do it in order to win something. Reckon its another example of Eve as sandbox: Some people want to do market PVP, but hate losing haulers to combat PVP. Other folks love combat, but hate the espionage aspects. Personally I despise players involved in community shattering aspects like corp-theft and some forms of spying. For more on-CAOD point: do we have any big alliance/corp who has zero-tolerance towards spying (i.e. they wont use spies, nor accept info from spes)? -Lasse
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:20:00 - [17] My corp only started spying in an effort to root out any enemy spies within our own corp. I think there are a lot of other people who are in the same boat. The spy craze seems to have been started by bob, and once everybody found out that bob was spying on them, then tons of smaller spy programs sprouted up all over eve, culminating in the huge spy network that goons have created. Its a shame it had to happen, but it seems inevitable, because sooner or later somebody would've started it, at which point it becomes a necessary means of defense.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:20:00 - [18] Originally by: Heikki For more on-CAOD point: do we have any big alliance/corp who has zero-tolerance towards spying (i.e. they wont use spies, nor accept info from spes)? -Lasse i read somewhere that goons have no spies.
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:22:00 - [19] Originally by: Heikki For more on-CAOD point: do we have any big alliance/corp who has zero-tolerance towards spying (i.e. they wont use spies, nor accept info from spes)? -Lasse i think CVA actually turned down ppl trying to offline their own alliance towers once but apart from that i think ure spot on.
lo'ming Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:23:00 - [20] Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd Originally by: Heikki For more on-CAOD point: do we have any big alliance/corp who has zero-tolerance towards spying (i.e. they wont use spies, nor accept info from spes)? -Lasse i read somewhere that goons have no spies. i read somewhere that there are no goons. --
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz The spy craze seems to have been started by bob, and once everybody found out that bob was spying on them, then tons of smaller spy programs sprouted up all over eve, culminating in the huge spy network that goons have created. I dont know how long you play the game but spys, thefts and all the other crap happened all the way back in 2003 already. The only reason that it gets nailed to bob is because they were the first to publically state they endorse spying and will use it in any way or form. CA vs SA war had spies going left right center, same as most of the ancient conflicts. Even ASCN spied on almost all and everyone, ironically cyvok was the first to turn into cryvok when he got spied upon by bob.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:28:00 - [22] Originally by: lo'ming Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd Originally by: Heikki For more on-CAOD point: do we have any big alliance/corp who has zero-tolerance towards spying (i.e. they wont use spies, nor accept info from spes)? -Lasse i read somewhere that goons have no spies. i read somewhere that there are no goons. that could be why they have no spies...
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:33:00 - [23] Spying itself may not seem so bad, but an air of tolerance will encourage all the other terrible behavior we have seen. TS/Forum spying, hacking, public smear campaigns and the like. It is bad for the game, being 'a part of the game' is not relevant. Nothing is done so anything goes. Spying does nothing to improve the quality of this game.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:44:00 - [24] Originally by: Kcel Chim I dont know how long you play the game but spys, thefts and all the other crap happened all the way back in 2003 already. The only reason that it gets nailed to bob is because they were the first to publically state they endorse spying and will use it in any way or form. CA vs SA war had spies going left right center, same as most of the ancient conflicts. Even ASCN spied on almost all and everyone, ironically cyvok was the first to turn into cryvok when he got spied upon by bob. There have always been spies and theives in eve. But Bob was the first organization I can think of that went out of their way to spy on people they weren't actively fighting...to build a network of spies for future use and general information. Such programs are fairly common for big alliances now, but in '04 they were nearly unheard of.
Vyres Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:46:00 - [25] Originally by: Pezzle Spying itself may not seem so bad, but an air of tolerance will encourage all the other terrible behavior we have seen. TS/Forum spying, hacking, public smear campaigns and the like. It is bad for the game, being 'a part of the game' is not relevant. Nothing is done so anything goes. Spying does nothing to improve the quality of this game. I really REALLY hope you refering to TS hacking has nothing to do with rise TS or else you should just delete your post its ok Ill edit this one too if you still want to save face.
Levka Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:52:00 - [26] I spy with my little eye something that starts with "O" In game spying is fine, but hacking web sites is 2 much imo. BNC and BoB sites were hacked on multiple occasions and its really annoying. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Kaldaine GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Vyres Originally by: Pezzle Spying itself may not seem so bad, but an air of tolerance will encourage all the other terrible behavior we have seen. TS/Forum spying, hacking, public smear campaigns and the like. It is bad for the game, being 'a part of the game' is not relevant. Nothing is done so anything goes. Spying does nothing to improve the quality of this game. I really REALLY hope you refering to TS hacking has nothing to do with rise TS or else you should just delete your post its ok Ill edit this one too if you still want to save face. Goonswarm and RISE arent the only alliances to play eve stop taking everything personally. You prolly should not post at all and can try to delete yours but Im gonna leave mine up cause you are dumb and I would like the world to know.
Velios M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:56:00 - [28] Spying is what makes EVE go around. M.Corp Capital Blueprint Facility
Vyres Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:57:00 - [29] Originally by: Kaldaine Originally by: Vyres Originally by: Pezzle Spying itself may not seem so bad, but an air of tolerance will encourage all the other terrible behavior we have seen. TS/Forum spying, hacking, public smear campaigns and the like. It is bad for the game, being 'a part of the game' is not relevant. Nothing is done so anything goes. Spying does nothing to improve the quality of this game. I really REALLY hope you refering to TS hacking has nothing to do with rise TS or else you should just delete your post its ok Ill edit this one too if you still want to save face. Goonswarm and RISE arent the only alliances to play eve stop taking everything personally. You prolly should not post at all and can try to delete yours but Im gonna leave mine up cause you are dumb and I would like the world to know. Yes your so right I see the errors of my way. Please let me know one other TS hacking incident in oh a year and ill submit to your obvious superior intellect.
FGxHalsey Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:59:00 - [30] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz My corp only started spying in an effort to root out any enemy spies within our own corp. I think there are a lot of other people who are in the same boat. The spy craze seems to have been started by bob, and once everybody found out that bob was spying on them, then tons of smaller spy programs sprouted up all over eve, culminating in the huge spy network that goons have created. Its a shame it had to happen, but it seems inevitable, because sooner or later somebody would've started it, at which point it becomes a necessary means of defense. Exactly on target there. BoB was probably the first alliance to extensively employ spying on others. Any enemy of BoB then had to develop a counter-intel program and begin spying back in order to properly defend themselves. Now, if you don't have intel/counter-intel on an alliance level, you're at a major disadvantage. If you don't spy because of e-honor reasons... well thats either intentionally keeping yourself at a disadvantage or just a coverup for either not putting the effort or not knowing how to build a spy program yourself. I personally agree that I don't like the existance of spying in EvE, but any alliance doing anything but embracing it themselves would be stupid at this point.

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