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Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.10.07 10:04:00 - [151] Edited by: Laboratus on 07/10/2007 10:04:07 Doubling missile velocity breaks the balance between missiles, defenders and smart bombs, so it is not too viable. Unless smart bomb rof is doubled and defenders get a 50% increase in launcher rof while cutting missile hp in half... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
pandymen Caldari Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2007.10.07 10:16:00 - [152] I forget who's sig this was, but it was quite accurate. Caldari \| PvP \| Solo <-- Pick two I enjoy flying my caldari ships in gangs. Unfortunately, they are quite lacking for solo pvp..but I will say that in a gang, caldari ships are at least as good as anything else. You don't need to necessarily be tackling...so the ability to fire immediately without having to close within blaster range can be great. That plus the multiple damps/tracking disruptors/w/e that can be fitted onto the many caldari midslots make them great for gangs. Keep in mind though, how many people really run around solo pvping? They are just asking to get their face pwned by some 8 man gang roaming in the system ahead of them. I rarely see ppl soloing nowadays except the odd speedtanked vaga/cane/insert minnie ship here. Otherwise, most people just wait up for gangs anyway.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.07 10:26:00 - [153] Originally by: Laboratus Edited by: Laboratus on 07/10/2007 10:04:07 Doubling missile velocity breaks the balance between missiles, defenders and smart bombs, so it is not too viable. Unless smart bomb rof is doubled and defenders get a 50% increase in launcher rof while cutting missile hp in half... This relationship is already broken, and was when missiles were last molested (touched in a way that might be good, and might be wrong, all at once). Defender missiles, only work for NPCs. Smartbombs were always marginal, because of the area of effect in highsec problem, but now there's basically no chance you'll kill incoming fire with smartbombs unless you're doing something like running 8 staggered smartbomb or something. Defenders do need a fix IMO, I'm just not sure how or what. Something that autofires maybe, would do hte trick. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? GMP and TNP
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.07 10:28:00 - [154] Edited by: welsh wizard on 07/10/2007 10:28:45 Originally by: Laboratus Edited by: Laboratus on 07/10/2007 10:04:07 Doubling missile velocity breaks the balance between missiles, defenders and smart bombs, so it is not too viable. Unless smart bomb rof is doubled and defenders get a 50% increase in launcher rof while cutting missile hp in half... Hmm this is a good point... The number of players who purposefully fit a smartbomb to counter missiles could probably be counted on one hand though. It's a case of weighing up the end result. Which is more important? The odd person who uses smartbombs/defenders for blowing up missiles or arguably the balance of an entire series of combat ships? Your defender changes seem pretty reasonable but the smarties are a little more complex given that any changes could break things in other areas badly. [Balance] The Caldari problem.
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.10.07 10:33:00 - [155] If you are flying a BS and fit a large SB you can take an entire salve in one activation, unless the other guy strings the missiles. True, they are not too common, mainly because they get no attention whatsoever, when balancing is concerned. However it might be time to think about the counter modules as well in balance arguments, than just the systems themselves... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.07 10:42:00 - [156] Originally by: Laboratus If you are flying a BS and fit a large SB you can take an entire salve in one activation, unless the other guy strings the missiles. True, they are not too common, mainly because they get no attention whatsoever, when balancing is concerned. However it might be time to think about the counter modules as well in balance arguments, than just the systems themselves... In theory, yes. In practice, even torpedos (the slowest missiles) cover the blast area of a large SB in 2 seconds. That really doesn't give a lot of room for precision smartbombing. (Cruises cover the distance in under a second) -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? GMP and TNP
Sc0rphion	Posted - 2007.10.07 12:28:00 - [157] Edited by: Sc0rphion on 07/10/2007 12:31:23 Edited by: Sc0rphion on 07/10/2007 12:30:28 Stop crying girls.... I can say this !!! oops i choose amarr Blah caldari Blah caldari !! Think in amarr Blah caldari blah caldari Again girls Think in amarr... Gank of Caldari = big big firworks,,, :) Gank of Mimmatar = We lock u ull die in less than 1 second Gank Of Gallente = We lock u and u will see the swarm of Litllte things biting ur fuc k ing asss Gank of Amarr = mmm Victoria Secret + Armani Look Ships ? (really only look) I choose amarr I skileed my amarr Im Amarrian I still fly my amarr... I have also 3 accounts in others ( BlackGuysAtpower(mimmatar) Ga y lente( ther are soooo cute) and Calmissipvedari ) AND U SEE ME CRYING BECOUSE I USE AMARR?????? please.. stopppp 6 threads of big sh i t... trust me big muthafuuu*kkaa ** P.D: I edited bcoz i wanted to show the bad words
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.07 13:22:00 - [158] Originally by: welsh wizard Eagle Pretty simple stuff, same slot layout, 1 extra turret hardpoint and fitting. Drone bay is debatable. This breaks the eagle.
ColetteLehtola Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.07 14:14:00 - [159] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: welsh wizard Eagle Pretty simple stuff, same slot layout, 1 extra turret hardpoint and fitting. Drone bay is debatable. This breaks the eagle. It indeed does not. ...Where's your god now?
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.07 14:25:00 - [160] Originally by: ColetteLehtola Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: welsh wizard Eagle Pretty simple stuff, same slot layout, 1 extra turret hardpoint and fitting. Drone bay is debatable. This breaks the eagle. It indeed does not. It indeed does, it makes even a 5 turret Zealot and Muninn obsolete, with no reason to fly them over the eagle.
Elmicker Black Sea Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.07 15:56:00 - [161] Can we not turn this into "60 pages of why the eagle isn't broken" mk. 2?
ColetteLehtola Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.07 16:19:00 - [162] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: ColetteLehtola Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: welsh wizard Eagle Pretty simple stuff, same slot layout, 1 extra turret hardpoint and fitting. Drone bay is debatable. This breaks the eagle. It indeed does not. It indeed does, it makes even a 5 turret Zealot and Muninn obsolete, with no reason to fly them over the eagle. Then we have one caldari ship that will be prefered over the other races? Allthough I can't really see that happen if the eagle gets the fifth turret. This should be discussed in the eagle thread though. ...Where's your god now?
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.07 17:06:00 - [163] Originally by: Elmicker Can we not turn this into "60 pages of why the eagle isn't broken" mk. 2? So long as we can have people saying the eagle needs more DPS in the long range.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.07 17:17:00 - [164] Edited by: Goumindong on 07/10/2007 17:17:31 Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 07/10/2007 10:28:45 Originally by: Laboratus Edited by: Laboratus on 07/10/2007 10:04:07 Doubling missile velocity breaks the balance between missiles, defenders and smart bombs, so it is not too viable. Unless smart bomb rof is doubled and defenders get a 50% increase in launcher rof while cutting missile hp in half... Hmm this is a good point... The number of players who purposefully fit a smartbomb to counter missiles could probably be counted on one hand though. It's a case of weighing up the end result. Which is more important? The odd person who uses smartbombs/defenders for blowing up missiles or arguably the balance of an entire series of combat ships? Your defender changes seem pretty reasonable but the smarties are a little more complex given that any changes could break things in other areas badly. As well this could easily be fixed by messing with missile hit points. There is pretty much no reason for missiles to not have their speed increased so long as their travel time is similarly reduced. Missile DPS against fast targets is reduced by explosion velocity already. The only thing to really be concerned about is the velocity boosted ships becoming near uber snipers[mainly the cerberus], but that could be fixed easily enough by changing a few velocity bonuses into flight time increases. I.E. if missile velocities were doulbed accross the board, and flight times halved, you could change the 10% velocity bonuses on ships that would be able to project their DPS too fast[such as the cerb] to a flight time bonus and missiles would still end up being 33% faster on those ships. Alternatly, the bonus could be changed to 5% instead of 10%, for a 60% increase on those ships. This easily brings missiles up to turrets in terms of dealing DPS fast. That being said, even a 50% increase would be a huge boost in terms of projecting DPS. Which is, imho, all that needs to be done.[in conjunction with some fitting changes and slotting changes on the caracal]
Nebulae Pendragon	Posted - 2007.10.07 18:07:00 - [165] Originally by: Sc0rphion Edited by: Sc0rphion on 07/10/2007 12:31:23 Edited by: Sc0rphion on 07/10/2007 12:30:28 Stop crying girls.... I can say this !!! oops i choose amarr Blah caldari Blah caldari !! Think in amarr Blah caldari blah caldari Again girls Think in amarr... Gank of Caldari = big big firworks,,, :) Gank of Mimmatar = We lock u ull die in less than 1 second Gank Of Gallente = We lock u and u will see the swarm of Litllte things biting ur fuc k ing asss Gank of Amarr = mmm Victoria Secret + Armani Look Ships ? (really only look) I choose amarr I skileed my amarr Im Amarrian I still fly my amarr... I have also 3 accounts in others ( BlackGuysAtpower(mimmatar) Ga y lente( ther are soooo cute) and Calmissipvedari ) AND U SEE ME CRYING BECOUSE I USE AMARR?????? please.. stopppp 6 threads of big sh i t... trust me big muthafuuu*kkaa P.D: I edited bcoz i wanted to show the bad words O no you didn't...put the *** pipe down and slowly back away...

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