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Cybele Lanier	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:34:00 - [31] Signed and agreed 100%. Rather than seduce players away from "real EVE", an arena would probably be most appealing to players who want to fight a human opponent and risk high stakes, but who don't want to put up with the not-inconsiderable chance of PVP becoming either a dull blobfest or sitting outside a gate for three hours and then having your enemy just dock up for the night. In other words, the sort of people who are not currently engaging in the PVP options on offer.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.13 12:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes You can't have both. Like warmth and cold at the same time . If you can conceeded to a battle with Bob, can Ryan and George then bust the battle? If they can't, you have effectvily remove the non-consensual warfare from Ryan and George. If they can, you have removed the consencual battle from you and Bob. Wrongo. I'm fighting Bob. (Could you have picked a more loaded name? ^_^) Ryan and George show up. Ryan starts repping Bob, and George starts shooting me. Shennanigans! Independant Gaming Authority / CONCORD proceeds to WTFPWN them. Non-consentual fun had by all. The real question would be whether or not this would invalidate the original match.
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.10.13 12:30:00 - [33] This thread and all of it's kind should be killed on arrival. It's a stupid idea from people who don't understand the game and is always a 5-15 page thread with regurgitated reasons as to why. _
Taint Caldari The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.10.13 12:42:00 - [34] Originally by: Badboris Hi I had an idea - perhaps at some NPC stations you could be able to sign up for arena battles per ship class, for 1 vs 1 PvP? For example, have different classes; T1 frigate, T1 gear Unrestricted frigate T1 cruiser, T1 gear Unrestricted cruiser etc..... You go to the station and sign up for a battle, get assigned (or choose) a partner, select a starting distance each 0-50km from a central point and then are autowarped to a spot in space where you fight. No-one else can warp to you, and you can't warp out until someone dies. This should be in highsec and concord will not interfere in the sport; this could be a way to get a cheap PvP fix (especially in T1 frigs) for a laugh. What do you think? Go back to WoW plz
Snake Doctor Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.13 12:49:00 - [35] /massive failure. Rifter Flight Manual!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.13 13:12:00 - [36] What is so fail with arenas? I do not understand this slang. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
galadran Caldari Alcohol Fueled Brutality Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.10.13 13:18:00 - [37] 1. We need battlegrounds in the same way we need Cute axes of +10 damage 2. The mechanics for this are already ingame. This idea adds nothing new. People can still setup fights and battlegrounds. It just takes trust and brains.
Khes	Posted - 2007.10.13 14:12:00 - [38] Edited by: Khes on 13/10/2007 14:13:10 Oh noes, not this old thing again. Yes, let's have a Eve-light within Eve for those who does not like the concept of an open sandbox game where anything can happen. If you want "fair" pre-setup fights where no-one else can intervene (because that would not be fair) go find that kind of game. Im sure there are plenty of spaceship-fighting-action-sims with multiplayer features where you can play matches with rules and a referee and stuff out there. Go play those. ¦ Why play a MMORPG like Eve if you only want some quick insta-gratifying pre-setup "fair" fights. What you suggest is some light arcade version of Eve. Please have a look at the old thread that someone linked to in the beginning of this thread.
Alty MacAlterson Alt Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.13 14:24:00 - [39] gb2wow
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.13 14:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire What is so fail with arenas? I do not understand this slang. Neeaeeaarrrrgh1!!! Arenas are a bad bad idea - why? BECAUSE THEY ARE CONTRIVED. Eve is a game trying to emulate a living universe. If you put arenas in then its just a game like Unreal, CS or hundreds of others. ALL that trade and industry would be for nothing but to fuel these stupid arenas. You'd get wines on the forums 'nerf the blah blah its too good in arenas' you'd get demands for 'arena only' modules: it would spoil this fantastic universe. Want to fight - then fight like everyone else: with RISK, with the high possibility that it WON'T be a fair fight, that you'll get ganked. THAT is Eve - this idea is just a farce. C. - sig designer - eve mail

Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.13 14:35:00 - [41] Edited by: Plutoinum on 13/10/2007 14:38:55 The only reason, why I don't like arenas, is because I think that EVE is a serious game, where actions like killing should mean something and have an impact. If you think about a player driven universe like player made conflicts, politics etc., then the meaningful pvp drives it a lot. I kill you, you are **ed, call your mates, demand compensation, I say 'feck off' and you say: 'Ok, you want it this way. Die !' and we have a nice emotional conflict. That was simple exampe ofc., usually it's more complex. Anyway these seriousness in pvp conflict is needed in EVE. Strong emotions like temporary anger drive the game. This might** get lost, if we get an influx of people, who prefer some easy entertainment by playing space shooter matches. I'm not sure, but it might just change, how eve is being played and don't like a development towards light entertainment for the masses.
Ovno ConSyquence Amarr The Plebians	Posted - 2007.10.13 14:55:00 - [42] The one thing all of you pro arena lot still haven't answered is why can't you just do it by the combatants can flipping each other, that way it could even be help in 1.0 if you wanted too!!!!!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.13 15:16:00 - [43] They could have friends nearby. Anyway, I still haven't seen any good reason that anti-arena campers are so against adding a new game play into the game other than can't kill easily because engagements are consensual. Maybe this game is really meant for players to grieVe-online. Sighs. I do not know should I continue or stop posting because the community is into non-consensually unfair game play. I can't decide. Oh well, I let the pro and anti arena campers to decide. I will continue to post for fair game play if the pro-arena people ask me to fight for their side or else I will stop fighting for fair game play. The first 50 wins. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Psyon Ra Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.13 15:31:00 - [44] Edited by: Psyon Ra on 13/10/2007 15:32:36 as a new player to EVE, i will tell everyone here that it will ruin this great game period ! if you do not understand why it will ruin it, then you need to use some of those deductive reasoning skills to figure it out. Quote: All facts are swept aside that fail to conform to what has become a self sustaining reality
Khes	Posted - 2007.10.13 15:46:00 - [45] Asking for arenas is is like if a miner was to ask for a isolated asteroid belt where no one else could get in if he was there minign because the miner is tired of the threat of pirates. It would then be a mining simulator. Yes, he is still mining but not in the "real" world. If some game play was to be added to Eve it can not be isolated from the rest of the universe. It is like if we had complexes that closed after someone entering it. Then the complex would be isolated from the rest of the universe. Why have a non-sharded server if there where isolated areas. Even if it was not an isolated geographical area it would still mean that no one else could interfere with the two fighting oponents somehow because if they could it would not longer be fair,right? And WHAM!, we have a artificial fight that is isolated from the rest of the universe.
Motokko Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.13 16:15:00 - [46] Awesome, you cant warp out till someone dies. I can just imagine two pilots who cant break each other's tanks getting stuck out there. It'd be like a staring contest. The last person to get bored to death and sell destruct wins
Some Caldari Caldari Sanguine Raiders	Posted - 2007.10.13 16:27:00 - [47] I don't mind the whole risk thing but often even if you offer it up on a plate people won't come for hours. ------------ Originally by: Banana Torres Gurls are overrated, they nick your money and hurt your ears. Just so you can have limited access to their soft and squishy bits.
Wallstreet Susan	Posted - 2007.10.13 16:38:00 - [48] I don't want to see any form of a pklite. It was death of Asheron's Call, and I believe it would be the death of this game too. No pain, no gain. W. S.
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.13 17:10:00 - [49] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire They could have friends nearby. Anyway, I still haven't seen any good reason that anti-arena campers are so against adding a new game play into the game other than can't kill easily because engagements are consensual. Maybe this game is really meant for players to grieVe-online. Sighs. I do not know should I continue or stop posting because the community is into non-consensually unfair game play. I can't decide. Oh well, I let the pro and anti arena campers to decide. I will continue to post for fair game play if the pro-arena people ask me to fight for their side or else I will stop fighting for fair game play. The first 50 wins. Thats right. We are. Get over it. C. - sig designer - eve mail
Hannobaal Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.10.13 18:36:00 - [50] Originally by: Oris Pricington Edited by: Oris Pricington on 13/10/2007 06:30:21 Originally by: Ridley Tree Go to the test server and knock yourself out. It's amazing how bringing up an old topic also summons all the old strawmen. Test server has no potential for actual loss. Don't want a carebear arena, want to-the-death combat, ship loss, whole 9. Come out to 0.0, and you'll get your loss.

El'essar Viocragh Minmatar FSK23	Posted - 2007.10.13 18:36:00 - [51] Edited by: El''essar Viocragh on 13/10/2007 18:36:31 No. As an industrialist, I refuse to build ships for people doing such nonsense. Arena = bad. -- [17:47] <Mephysto> its dead, jim
Kadrush	Posted - 2007.10.13 18:49:00 - [52] Can we bet in the battles? Plz, plz, plz...
Das Lol Gallente Internet Space Fighters	Posted - 2007.10.13 18:58:00 - [53] No.
MHayes	Posted - 2007.10.13 19:28:00 - [54] Why choose when you can have both, real PVP and fake(WoW PVP )and by making it some kind of VR it fits in to the RP.
Mr Bodacious mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.13 19:58:00 - [55] Edited by: Mr Bodacious on 13/10/2007 19:59:41 Edited by: Mr Bodacious on 13/10/2007 19:58:45 Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 13/10/2007 09:36:22 Originally by: Badboris EVE is a dark and serious place. If it's pvp you're after, go find a nice low-sec belt or something... You truly have no idea what you're talking about. Its possible to spend a full day looking for low-sec mining/ratting and not find a single person. I think this would be a good idea because the PVP in this game is failing, its all about gate camping or blobs these days. edit: as to the immersion level, wtf? If people can host their own private battlegrounds, why doesn't one of the major powers host one? Prize-fighting ftw? Or maybe that doesn't fit into YOUR idea of a sandbox game. It fits into mine, however.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.10.13 22:15:00 - [56] Originally by: Some Caldari Whats wrong with people having the chance to have a quick fight in EvE without sitting in low sec for hours or finding you can't use bugger all on SiSi due to your skills being 3 months out of date? We've been having threads spring up about eve needing some mindless fun for those that don't want to dedicate 4 hours of sitting around for 5 mins of fun. And like some have said it may even add side professions to the game. You're right this isn't WoW but what the hell does that have do do with things? It's still a good idea and would help when you only have 15 mins to play. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people having a chance of a quick fight. But it is nothing the devs should setup, it should be 100% player run. So, start a channel called "Arena 1" (or what not), invite friends and strangers to it, advertise it on the forums for like minded people and arrange your arena battles anywhere you want to. Do not turn to the devs for a solution. Use the tools, with all the dangers that follows. Thats what they are there for.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.10.13 22:16:00 - [57] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire What is so fail with arenas? I do not understand this slang. Nothing, now go make it in game. Don't turn to devs.
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.14 08:51:00 - [58] I dont get it... You want 1 on 1 fights... So arrange it. All the neccesary tools are in there, highsec safespot arena, secure container starting boys, aggro system that keeps concord out of the fight. So why ask the devs to set somthing upp that you yourself can easilly do? Yes you will have problems with people trying to wreck your fun but thanx to the aggro system they will never be able to get kill rights on you unless you make a mistake. They loot your cans, drop new. They get in the way, move. They spam, flame, grief you, petition and move.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.14 09:20:00 - [59] Why can't you do this now with the current game mechanics? You can, and people do. Quite a bit. Eve doesn't need arenas! nobody wants them!!1! gb2wow!11 Need? no. Nor does it need missions. Players want them though. They are popular. If combat sports broke Eve would CCP put so much effort into the Alliance Tournament? if it was so ***e would thousands watch it? If simulated combat in a controlled environment for entertainment and gambling is so unrealistic explain to me boxing or wrestling. Why do Devs have to build stufs?* Well, they don't. But it will add to the game. It will give players broader scope for arena style prize fighting greater than what they have now. Add the functionality for spectators to watch bouts from stations via camera drones and throw in some gambling and fun times for all (and profit for some). The subject keeps coming up and is actively fuelled by CCP arranging tournaments themsleves. But it will break Eve!?!?!!1!11! Rubbish, total rubbish. Nothing will be taken away from Eve or degraded in any way. We will just have more options for entertainment, more options for stuff to watch, more things to do in the 30mins before DT. More fun. Now the detractors of this idea keep saying "go back to WoW" or "you people don't understand Eve". Really, that is nothing but the whining of children who fear something new. If you don't like arena combat don't take part, it's a policy I find has worked well for me and mining for a very long time.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.10.14 09:32:00 - [60] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace If you don't like arena combat don't take part As said before, I have no problem with arena's. But, if you and a friend go for a fight in the Arena, then I should be allowed to suicide gank you both, if I can before concord burns my ship to pieces. That is the part that dissapears with hard-coded closed arena's.



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