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Badboris	Posted - 2007.10.13 06:04:00 - [1] Hi I had an idea - perhaps at some NPC stations you could be able to sign up for arena battles per ship class, for 1 vs 1 PvP? For example, have different classes; T1 frigate, T1 gear Unrestricted frigate T1 cruiser, T1 gear Unrestricted cruiser etc..... You go to the station and sign up for a battle, get assigned (or choose) a partner, select a starting distance each 0-50km from a central point and then are autowarped to a spot in space where you fight. No-one else can warp to you, and you can't warp out until someone dies. This should be in highsec and concord will not interfere in the sport; this could be a way to get a cheap PvP fix (especially in T1 frigs) for a laugh. What do you think?
Jaikar Isillia Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.13 06:15:00 - [2] I can smell the napalm already.
Solant Minmatar Ventis Secundis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.13 06:22:00 - [3] As long as you still lose your ship and get your stuff looted it might be alright. Kinda takes away from the immersion of the game though.. I dunno about you but I wouldn't serve any pod pilot that liked to engage in duels for fun, sacrificing his entire ship crew again and again..
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.13 06:25:00 - [4] Curzon Dax had a 10 page thread on this.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.13 06:26:00 - [5] How about a combat simulator instead. You put your ISK on the table (cost of the virtual ship) and winner takes all less 10% to the house. The combat takes place in a simulator, just like a sealed system as used in the tournaments. Add a spectators interface so people can watch and a bookmaker then go for it. Even solves the crew RP issue as it is all simulated. Maybe allow players to run such establishments once ambulation comes out.
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.10.13 06:27:00 - [6] Go to the test server and knock yourself out. ____ The Video Vault
Oris Pricington	Posted - 2007.10.13 06:30:00 - [7] Edited by: Oris Pricington on 13/10/2007 06:30:21 Originally by: Ridley Tree Go to the test server and knock yourself out. It's amazing how bringing up an old topic also summons all the old strawmen. Test server has no potential for actual loss. Don't want a carebear arena, want to-the-death combat, ship loss, whole 9. Sonofa... Actually Amarria. I hate this forum. Permanent character selection prz kthx.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.13 09:17:00 - [8] I actually like this idea. It would be nice if we could have in-game battlefields feature. Sign up with random teammates or arranged teammates for a battlefield event and pew pew. Winners at the end of the event split the loot. There is risk vs reward. Risk - you consensually go in with a winning build (T2 or faction mods) and reward - if you win, you get to split loot without them taken away by who's first to collect loot. They way I see it, everyone wins. A lot of looting, multiplayer competitive combat and fun. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Chakademus Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.10.13 09:23:00 - [9] Jenny have you been playing too much WoW, i thought the whole point of EVE is that not everybody wins.
Alerion Acquire	Posted - 2007.10.13 09:32:00 - [10] /not signed. I think it's a really bad idea that goes against everything that Eve is about. There are other games that cater to this playstyle, you can play them instead. Eve is unique, please try to keep it unique.
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.13 09:35:00 - [11] Edited by: Stitcher on 13/10/2007 09:36:22 Originally by: Badboris We need arena PvP at stations No we bloody well don't. EVE has always been based to some degree or another about what makes sense. There have never been magical "You cannot open fire on this person" fields. this is not WoW, GW or any one of the other hundreds of MMOs characterized by seas of corpses in front of all the major habitations. EVE is a dark and serious place. If it's pvp you're after, go find a nice low-sec belt or something... - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
Neoromi	Posted - 2007.10.13 09:38:00 - [12] Go back to WOW!
Cotton Tail Domination. League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.10.13 09:47:00 - [13] To be honest I think this kind of idea just doesn't belong in EVE. I can understand the reasons why people want it, but all the charm of EVE pvp is not in having a completely balanced 1v1 between ships of equal class and fitting, but the risk of escalation, in not knowing what you're up against, the 'oh ****' moments when you know you've comitted to a fight you can't possible win and perhaps most importantly is the thrill of the hunt. Without these things, EVE pvp is simply a matter of setup and clicking modules into active, in an arena all most player involved aspects of fighting would be done for you automatically, which is just meh.
Neal Cassady Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.10.13 09:49:00 - [14] oh ffs i cant believe im responding to another thread like this. eve is set up so that you have to use your brain to succeed in pvp, not just activate modules, orbit. you want a cheap pvp fix take a t1 frig into lowsec. or spar your corpmate. or go on test server. or flip each others cans. or go suck veld and wait for your can to get flipped. people looking for "fair" pvp do not understand eve.
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.13 09:57:00 - [15] First like has been said, the test server is great for "just for fun fights". Simply get a group together, put upp a web page with scedualed meets and you can have arena without any reprecussions fights all day. If there is a demand to fill I expect you will get a good turnout every well advertised meet. Second its easy enough to set upp battles ingame too, the mechanics are all there already, naturally this will all be based on honor but PvP lovers are honorable arent they? Simply pick a grid in 0.5-0.7 highsec space, drop a few secure containers and anchor them. My sugestion would be to place them at suitable distances from a chosen central point, say 50km, 100km 400km... whatever. Next the two or more combatants each jetison a can holding a few small items of no worth, say ammo. each combatant then loots from each of the containers triggering the aggro timer against all their oponents. Fly to your chosen starting point and go for it. Any rules you wish to impose can easilly be so, such as no warping, no eccm, whatever. The only problem is that it is based on honor :)
Cygnus Zhada Amarr UK Corp	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:02:00 - [16] The answer is very simple; EVE is so special because... (wait for it) it is special. One of the main attractions to EVE is that it's makers live on a real life and businesswise island; they're NOT bound by some big company like EA, M$ or similar. They're NOT bound by what the rest of the world thinks of them, all they do is make a game they themselves love to play and which they need other people to be in for it to work, both financially as the fact that they need friends&adversaries. ANYTHING that 'dillutes' the harshness/freshness of the game makes the game lose it's specialness and appeal to the base/initial players. EVE and it's community kinda pride themselves on the marmiteness (is that even a word?) of the game, if it would be easier, allow for simplified gameplay, copouts and whatnot... why play it at all. If you import stuff from other MMO's (ESPECIALLY WOW) then it will degrade to just another MMO. We're afraid of seeing that happen, we want to stay different/special/hated as much as possible to guard OUR type of gameplay since there's no other MMO out there that caters for this. There's already 15 bazillion WOW clones out there, if you want a WOW clone, pick one of those but leave EVE alone. Apart from that, instancing is BAD, it's BAD gameplay, it's BAD gamedesign. They already caved in when they made the starter areas instances, that already shows they are trying to WOWify the game somewhat. They shouldn't. EVE is and should always remain a marmite game... Welcome to EVE Online: Press 1 for Caldari, PVE Online Press 2 for Minmatar, PVP Online Press 3 for Gallente, PWN Online Press 4 for Amarr, Lulz Online
Badboris	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:07:00 - [17] okay, a few things. 1) This is not a 'test' idea - if you loose your ship, or get podded, its fair game. 2) Its like a sport. i.e. you can wager on the outcome of the fight beforehand, and win loot from the other ship. If you want T2 loot, you fight in the unrestricted class. 3) I don't play WoW, and never have, cos it sucks. 4) Why is this unrealistic? its like a sporting event, you sign up, you gamble, and you fight. Its like boxing, and I think would create a new dimension of PvP and get some of the carebears into the fun. 5) PvP in eve is usually just gank-squads. Very rarely will you ever get a fair 1 vs 1 fight, and so I think it would diversify the game and create a new branch of ship setups and skills.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:15:00 - [18] I think it's a silly idea. You can already arrange a fight, and go shoot someone. So... just do that. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? GMP and TNP
Chronos VIII Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:19:00 - [19] 200% signed. Its an awesome idea to have something like an arena where you can pvp, when you are bored or tired.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 13/10/2007 09:36:22 Originally by: Badboris We need arena PvP at stations No we bloody well don't. EVE has always been based to some degree or another about what makes sense. There have never been magical "You cannot open fire on this person" fields. this is not WoW, GW or any one of the other hundreds of MMOs characterized by seas of corpses in front of all the major habitations. EVE is a dark and serious place. If it's pvp you're after, go find a nice low-sec belt or something... No magical field was proposed. Anyone who's not a combatant performs any sort of combat action, CONCORD (or some sort of gaming regulatory agency) politely reminds them why outside spectators don't participate. As to the "go to lowsec" argument that's bandied about every five minutes: doesn't work. Going to low sec does not guarantee combat, especially not in a short period of time. "Fair fight" argument: no one proposed fair. In fact, quite a few matchups will be patently unfair. "Consentual PvP" argument: What's inherently wrong with consentual PvP? Currently, I passively consent to PvP every time I undock from a station? Why can't two parties actively consent to PvP in a structured manner? Why can't game mechanics support this? As it stands, the system in place in game is too easy to abuse. Lennox Lewis doesn't show up with a gank squad at the prize fight; how is that unreasonable to ask for in-game? "Ruins 0.0 / lowsec" argument: If something so minor as an arena ruins 0.0 or lowsec, then it obviously wasn't very fun in the first place, was it? Did I miss any?
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:29:00 - [21] Edited by: Telemicus Thrace on 13/10/2007 10:34:09 Lots of knee-jerk reactions in this thread. Nobody is against the alliance tournaments but heaven forbid we discuss the possibility of having the same thing in game, watchable through the game engine. I personally like the idea of betting on these matches more than taking part. Would people feel differently if we were talking about Mindclash games in stations once ambulation came out? There are so many types of PvP in Eve, I really think there is room for more flavours. A whole new career, I can just see the back of the box now. Freeform career paths, be a Miner, Pirate, Industrialist, Trader, Freedom Fighter, Duelist, Pro-Sports Mindclash star, Lab rat, Bounty Hunter... PvP in Eve is all well and good as it is but for those times you can only jump on for 15 minutes this could be a good laugh. Bottom line, if nobody wanted or enjoyed Arena style sports PvP we would not have had so many alliance tournaments, there wouldn't be so many player organised bouts and there wouldn't be a match down every fan fest. The engine is in place, add a few intefaces and a whole new part of Eve opens up. "Sorry Karn, I can't make it to the raid tonight. I have 50 million ISK riding on Badboris in a 2 v 1 Cruiser / Frigate bout and front row seats in the Galleria." Edit: You make some good points Amarria. Originally by: Amarria Black "Ruins 0.0 / lowsec" argument: If something so minor as an arena ruins 0.0 or lowsec, then it obviously wasn't very fun in the first place, was it? Fun aside you don't gain territory or defeat an enemy in an arena. 0.0 will always be there as a war zone. The only way you can lose a region in the arena is if you place it as a bet. In our alliance like many others we often have tounaments with prizes. It's good fun. Doesn't stop us doing all the other types of PvP. More options, more fun. I like the idea of getting more fun out of this game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:57:00 - [22] Why wouldn't battlefields be a bad idea? Battlefields are good in this game. The game mechanics are already there. Enter deadspace or acceleration gate and your team would be in level 1 of the battlefield. Win the battlefield, proceed until the next battlefield until your team have won the event battlefield and be the king of the hill. I am sure griefing pirates or alliance lackeys would initially say no to battlefields but once they are in the game, they would participate in them. Battlefields give consensual engagements - no need to camp low secs for hours or wait in null-secs for hours and get no engagements. You login into the game, get a gang or wait into a queue to enter battlefields. If griefing pirates or alliance lackeys do not want to play battlefields, there is nothing to worry. I am sure, we empire people would participate them. You fight in the battlefields and if your team wins, everyone receives automatic loot split. Market is still present to support battlefield warfare. Players still lose ISKs in battlefields. Players could have ladder play - e-sports or pro-gaming when they score kill points. CCP could implement this battlefield rules: 1) A battlefield game can be a solo or a 4v4 arranged team or random team game. 2) A battlefield event consists of 8 random solo players or arranged/random teams to start with. They are like group A, B, C and D. 3) At the start, everyone will fight at level 1 of the deadspace. Winners of level 1 will proceed to level 2, etc. 4) There is a timer at every level and if nobody wins, then the winner is the one who scored the most damage in the engagement. Losers will have their ships automatically destroyed. If there is a draw, nobody gets destroyed and are kicked out of battlefields. Any player receiving 2 draws a day will be banned from battlefields for 24 hours. This is to prevent time wasters from ruining game play for other players. Players will need webs and warp scramblers to hold opponents to pew pew. Holding opponents are important because if there is a draw, the tie breaker is the player who scores the most damage in the round. 5) Winners of battlefields, the kings of the hill would receive bonus kill points and loot from losers in current and previous levels. To be honest, I think it is all good for everyone. It definitely beats waiting for kills. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:03:00 - [23] I have absolutely nothing against the battlefield idea, if it is created by the players only. No specific coding from the devs required at all (can't stress that enough). Its all about trust. A corp can anchor 4 can's and deem that the arena. People can the sign up for said arena, but its the players who maintain the signups. People can also place wagers, but again, its player made. That way, you can get scammed, cheated and all the bad things that make EvE, or you can actually have a genuine thing running. Just like the BIG lottery. They to could have run off with the money from tickest sold, but they have not. An honorable bunch who setup a game within the game base only on trust. And it is still going strong. Yeah, it won't be easy and it shouldn't be either. But it should be player made and player enforced. That I would support fully.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Battlefields give consensual engagements That is the sole reason we should not have your proposed arena. EvE is a non-consensual PvP game.
Oris Pricington	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:08:00 - [25] Edited by: Oris Pricington on 13/10/2007 11:09:04 Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Battlefields give consensual engagements That is the sole reason we should not have your proposed arena. EvE is a non-consensual PvP game. Answer my rebuttal to this argument: what is inherently wrong with optional consentual PvP in addition to existant non-consentual PvP? Adding an arena doesn't make all PvP consentual. Edit: Son. Of. A. ***!!!! Stupid facking forum can't facking remember which facking character I facking posted with from one facking second to the facking next! Coded by a ****** chimp. /end GordonRamseyRant
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:16:00 - [26] Originally by: Oris Pricington Edited by: Oris Pricington on 13/10/2007 11:09:04 Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Battlefields give consensual engagements That is the sole reason we should not have your proposed arena. EvE is a non-consensual PvP game. Answer my rebuttal to this argument: what is inherently wrong with optional consentual PvP in addition to existant non-consentual PvP? Adding an arena doesn't make all PvP consentual. You can't have both. Like warmth and cold at the same time . If you can conceeded to a battle with Bob, can Ryan and George then bust the battle? If they can't, you have effectvily remove the non-consensual warfare from Ryan and George. If they can, you have removed the consencual battle from you and Bob.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:21:00 - [27] What utter nonsense. If I want cold, I go into an air-conditioned room. If I want hot, I stand besides a heater. If you don't want heater, you can stay in the cold side of the room. You don't have to participate in battlefields if you don't want to. You are like those people who are anti-ambulation, don't dock if you don't want to see your toon. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire What utter nonsense. If I want cold, I go into an air-conditioned room. If I want hot, I stand besides a heater. If you don't want heater, you can stay in the cold side of the room. You don't have to participate in battlefields if you don't want to. You are like those people who are anti-ambulation, don't dock if you don't want to see your toon. Eh? You should read what I wrote again. I do belive I mentioned the words at the same time.
lolzor	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:25:00 - [29] Once walking in stations comes out there should be a small arena where people can 1on1 knife fight, like how it was in cs.
Some Caldari Caldari Sanguine Raiders	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:33:00 - [30] Whats wrong with people having the chance to have a quick fight in EvE without sitting in low sec for hours or finding you can't use bugger all on SiSi due to your skills being 3 months out of date? We've been having threads spring up about eve needing some mindless fun for those that don't want to dedicate 4 hours of sitting around for 5 mins of fun. And like some have said it may even add side professions to the game. You're right this isn't WoW but what the hell does that have do do with things? It's still a good idea and would help when you only have 15 mins to play. ------------ Originally by: Banana Torres Gurls are overrated, they nick your money and hurt your ears. Just so you can have limited access to their soft and squishy bits.

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