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Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:21:00 - [91] Originally by: Amarria Black Not lossless for victim. Fail. I don't want player policing. I want a robust system that precludes the need for player policing. Double fail. Is anything in EvE for free? Have you noticed that the only non-player policed things are e-baying (banstick) and high-sec combat (concord). Everything else is preety much player policed atm, contract scams, corp theft and so on. CCP quite obviously wants player policing. All the trust-based systems in EvE are player policed - you rely on someone's reputation and so on (and possibility of retribution) to decide wether you'll enter a deal with someone or not. The comments about a blob jumping in on you whenever you 1v1 makes me think you don't really PvP at all. Or choose your opponents very stupidly - I've never had a 1v1 dishonoured.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:29:00 - [92] Amarria Black, you did not read and yet you could conclude I asked for lossless arena. If you had read the post, I am advocating an arena where losers would lose their ships. What is lossless about that? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.15 11:00:00 - [93] Originally by: Cpt Branko Is anything in EvE for free? Have you noticed that the only non-player policed things are e-baying (banstick) and high-sec combat (concord). Everything else is preety much player policed atm, contract scams, corp theft and so on. CCP quite obviously wants player policing. All the trust-based systems in EvE are player policed - you rely on someone's reputation and so on (and possibility of retribution) to decide wether you'll enter a deal with someone or not. When did I ever mention a trust-based system? I want a mechanics-based system. The current trust-based system is insufficient for the task at hand. When you buy 10,000 trit off the market, do you have to worry that it won't be there when you go to pick it up? No. If you go run a mission, do you have to plan for the possibility that the Blood Raiders are sick of your shennanigans and decide to send triple the forces to get rid of you once and for all? Nope. Same concept here. A mechanical answer is inherently robust and therefore encourages participation. Originally by: Cpt Branko The comments about a blob jumping in on you whenever you 1v1 makes me think you don't really PvP at all. Or choose your opponents very stupidly - I've never had a 1v1 dishonoured. Can you honestly and truthfully say that every person you've ever arranged combat with has fulfilled every single facet of the original agreement completely and totally, and with zero hesitation? If so, it's true what they say about God protecting fools and children. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Amarria Black, you did not read and yet you could conclude I asked for lossless arena. If you had read the post, I am advocating an arena where losers would lose their ships. What is lossless about that? I read your posts when you originally posted them. I again read your posts when you specifically questioned my "lossless arena" post. From the structure of your first post, it appeared that you were advocating a non-combat team based competitive arena of some sort (race to the can?). I misunderstood. Again, I apologize. I believe we're all on the same page now.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.15 11:44:00 - [94] Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Cpt Branko Is anything in EvE for free? Have you noticed that the only non-player policed things are e-baying (banstick) and high-sec combat (concord). Everything else is preety much player policed atm, contract scams, corp theft and so on. CCP quite obviously wants player policing. All the trust-based systems in EvE are player policed - you rely on someone's reputation and so on (and possibility of retribution) to decide wether you'll enter a deal with someone or not. When did I ever mention a trust-based system? I want a mechanics-based system. The current trust-based system is insufficient for the task at hand. When you buy 10,000 trit off the market, do you have to worry that it won't be there when you go to pick it up? No. If you go run a mission, do you have to plan for the possibility that the Blood Raiders are sick of your shennanigans and decide to send triple the forces to get rid of you once and for all? Nope. Same concept here. A mechanical answer is inherently robust and therefore encourages participation. Look at player vs player interaction in EvE. A lot of it is trust-based mechanics. Scams of all sorts, contract scams, corp theft, etc, etc. Basically, right now dueling and betting exists and is trust-based. You advocate it being moved to a mechanic. I think that's a bad thing. By the way, you inadvertedly gave a good idea how to improve mission-running in EvE Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Cpt Branko The comments about a blob jumping in on you whenever you 1v1 makes me think you don't really PvP at all. Or choose your opponents very stupidly - I've never had a 1v1 dishonoured. Can you honestly and truthfully say that every person you've ever arranged combat with has fulfilled every single facet of the original agreement completely and totally, and with zero hesitation? If so, it's true what they say about God protecting fools and children. I've never had a 1v1 I've agreed on dishonoured. Of course, I never do set a gazillion of details and rules (or any, in fact). I've had jerks try to bait me to '1v1' and give me the location of their POS, but, you get to know who's baiting and who will keep their word and act accordingly, so, no, I've never had a blob warp in on me. The insult wasn't necessary. The fact some people are smarter then you shouldn't drive you to insult them.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.15 11:52:00 - [95] Your apologies are accepted, Amarria Black. This time. :) --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:04:00 - [96] Arena combat should be EVE streetfighter II style. Fear my Hadoken slow+fast combo Call to arms!!!
Khes	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:23:00 - [97] Edited by: Khes on 15/10/2007 12:24:08 I know you answered some one else here but Im commenting your replys anyway =) Originally by: Amarria Black Can you honestly and truthfully say that every person you've ever arranged combat with has fulfilled every single facet of the original agreement completely and totally. Thats the thing. You want those rules garanteed by the game, but that is not what Eve is about, AT ALL, and should not be, in my opinion. Eve is an open sandbox game. That does not mean that all players have to be bad. The goal is to give the players as much freedom as possible, not the oposite as you suggest. You want a game that restricts players freedome in game. That is not Eve.
Selbstopfer Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:04:00 - [98] Don't think this is a good idea, personally.
Thrust SSC	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:25:00 - [99] No. This completely ruins the immersion in the game, and low-sec would become completely desolate as opposed to the few people that reside in there now. Back to WoW please.
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:34:00 - [100] Why do we need an arena when every single area in EVE pvp is possible? Unless maybe they televised it on all the concord billboards or something and you could actually retain titles maybe doable if they ever do the medals thing. Maybe do an intergalactic gambling thing where players could bet thier fortunes on people. Ofcourse this would only be possible in one place in eve, Jita. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!

Lady Trade	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:55:00 - [101] This idea was posted soooo many times before.... Arenas are for WoW, PvP is for EVE. If you want a 1 VS 1 then you can convo and meet up somewhere and do your 1 VS 1 there. The only effect this would have, is that even less people would actually fight in 0.0 I'm against this idea. The only thing that has to be done is to fix lag - then we don't need (or want) instanced battlefields. (And lag is the only argument for battlefields since you can already today have your 1 VS 1.)
Steel Tigeress Gallente Ravenous Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:20:00 - [102] Originally by: Khes Thats the thing. You want those rules garanteed by the game, but that is not what Eve is about, AT ALL, and should not be, in my opinion. Eve is an open sandbox game. That does not mean that all players have to be bad. The goal is to give the players as much freedom as possible, not the oposite as you suggest. You want a game that restricts players freedome in game. That is not Eve. I belive that Eve is all about giving the players the posibility to think out side the box. As I understand it you want a game that stays in the box and a very small box. I love it.. "Eve is a sandbox...blah blah blah." "No you cant play in the sandbox like that, that totally ruins the sandbox!L!L101" If you REALLY think EVE is a sandbox, then arena's should be implemented, as it would add more options, more things to do in the sandbox. What you are saying is "EvE is my sandbox, you can use shovels and pails, but keep your Tonka trucks out."
Khes	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:04:00 - [103] Edited by: Khes on 15/10/2007 16:05:05 Originally by: Steel Tigeress Originally by: Khes Thats the thing. You want those rules garanteed by the game, but that is not what Eve is about, AT ALL, and should not be, in my opinion. Eve is an open sandbox game. That does not mean that all players have to be bad. The goal is to give the players as much freedom as possible, not the oposite as you suggest. You want a game that restricts players freedome in game. That is not Eve. I belive that Eve is all about giving the players the posibility to think out side the box. As I understand it you want a game that stays in the box and a very small box. I love it.. "Eve is a sandbox...blah blah blah." "No you cant play in the sandbox like that, that totally ruins the sandbox!L!L101" If you REALLY think EVE is a sandbox, then arena's should be implemented, as it would add more options, more things to do in the sandbox. What you are saying is "EvE is my sandbox, you can use shovels and pails, but keep your Tonka trucks out." I hear you and get your point. I see it like this: the Tonka truck is not just a another toy that I don't want in the sandbox, it is a package of rules stating how you may use the toys we have. Do you see the difference? It is not an addition to the toy-collection it just another grownup telling you how to play with them.


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