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Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.14 09:41:00 - [61] Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Originally by: Telemicus Thrace If you don't like arena combat don't take part As said before, I have no problem with arena's. But, if you and a friend go for a fight in the Arena, then I should be allowed to suicide gank you both, if I can before concord burns my ship to pieces. That is the part that dissapears with hard-coded closed arena's. Why should you be able to? You can't do that at the alliance tounament? When ambulation comes out and we are sitting playing cards or Mindclash you can't do it? You could suicide gank them on the way to or from the station if you really want, no change there.
H4kz0rz Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.14 09:52:00 - [62] WoW ------> that was this is EvE now leave it alone its perfect the way it is , you want pvp try 0.0 or as some one already said SiSi .... Oh look no portrate !
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.14 09:55:00 - [63] Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Originally by: Telemicus Thrace If you don't like arena combat don't take part As said before, I have no problem with arena's. But, if you and a friend go for a fight in the Arena, then I should be allowed to suicide gank you both, if I can before concord burns my ship to pieces. That is the part that dissapears with hard-coded closed arena's. Then make them hard-coded open arenas. You should be allowed to employ every non-exploit dirty trick in the book, including suiciding. Again, the question is if that would invalidate the match or not. No one here (except Jenny Spitfire Mk2) is advocating a lossless, compartmentalized, WoW-esque arena. We're talking about an official means by which we can engage in a short-duration PvP activity in a framework that discourages blatant abuse.
Bishman82 Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.14 10:12:00 - [64] I know, why don't CCP release a 2 player version of eve on ps3 and xbox360? Basically all the fun of EVE but with all the boring bits taken out, and the controls improved for a more user friendly experience. It could be called 'EVE Duel' or something original like that. <insert REALLY good photoshop of eve/streetfighter 2 character select screen here>
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.14 10:26:00 - [65] Edited by: Telemicus Thrace on 14/10/2007 10:31:31 Well if thats the way you really feel I expect you all to boycott Eve the next time CCP hold an alliance tounament. Take it as far as your convictions are able to carry you. Edit: If I am completely honest I don't enjoy watching other people fight in Eve, not as it stands. With a spectator interface where I could watch the fight from both PoV and see what mods they were using and when it might be more interesting. I would really like to see some form of PvP spectator sport in Eve that was fun to watch and play. With gambling. With the scope for racketeering. I think Mindclash is the perfect candidate for this once Ambulation comes out. Now, anybody got a problem with that?
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.10.14 10:45:00 - [66] Originally by: Amarria Black Curzon Dax had a 10 page thread on this. I tend to ignore threads by people which i considor to be idiots.
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:00:00 - [67] It's strange, i read so many posts on so many threads about people wanting to get others involved in more pvp, but if someone suggests a way for people to get into pvp a little easier then it gets flamed to a crisp. Whats wrong with arenas? just the fact that u can't have a big standby blob to jump in on ur opponent if ur faced with a possible los? or just cuz u can't gank them from the start? I dunno, but the '2 men enter 1 men leaves' concept appeals to me more then to go to low/0.0 sec and get ganked by a carrier/MS blob. think about it, which of which is the actual pvp that ccp had in mind? i hardly think dropping a carrierforce on a lone ratting bs is the kind of pvp the ccp staff invisioned unless i'm totally wrong on this, then i apologize. Impo pvp arenas in hi sec is a great idea. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:12:00 - [68] Instancing pvp is a bad idea for EVE. Arena pvp sounds great to carebears, "In your face stupid ganking pirates come beat me 1v1!!!" But what they dont realise is that arena would be DOMINATED by older players. Out in standard eve combat you can gank them 2004 players with there faction fitted faction BS by getting a few mates and baiting them out and ewaring him into the stone age. Not gonna happen in Arena's is it? No, its not because you all want "fair" combat in a game that is pretty much built around gank combat.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:17:00 - [69] mitsuko, arenas combat are not 100% fair. You can enter in a faction ship and fight a T1 ship and you would win because you have the unfair advantage. The point of arena combat is consensual combat. A place to have fun and learn without worries about lame play. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:20:00 - [70] Originally by: MITSUK0 Instancing pvp Stopped reading on word 2. Not instanced. Repeat after me: NOOOOOOT INNNNSTANNNNCED. Very good. Suicide gankers. Showing up with a fleet. Alt in a repper ship. All perfectly acceptable behavior... which CONCORD / some sort of Gaming Commission promptly rewards you for by WTFPWNING you, assuming you're not a registered combatant. Try redoing that post from scratch.

Khes	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:26:00 - [71] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Edited by: Telemicus Thrace on 14/10/2007 10:31:31 Well if thats the way you really feel I expect you all to boycott Eve the next time CCP hold an alliance tounament. Take it as far as your convictions are able to carry you. Edit: If I am completely honest I don't enjoy watching other people fight in Eve, not as it stands. With a spectator interface where I could watch the fight from both PoV and see what mods they were using and when it might be more interesting. I would really like to see some form of PvP spectator sport in Eve that was fun to watch and play. With gambling. With the scope for racketeering. I think Mindclash is the perfect candidate for this once Ambulation comes out. Now, anybody got a problem with that? The alliance tournament and a in game feature is very different. Arena fighting should be restricted to be a world event as it is now and not a in-game feature at any NPC station. If I was to ask for a arena minigin facility so I could mine but without the obsticales of the Eve universe, you would not see aany prroblem with a feature like that? You can fight as much as you like and you should do, but implementing some type of fight-feature that avoids the involvement/obstacles/influence/ of the rest of the world would is flaud. Why waste server resources to something that is isolated from the rest of the universe. Then open up a new server with a a new light version of Eve with arena fights only. And then another server for those who like some other kind of play-style but does not want to take part of entire Eve Universe. And then see Eve go under.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:28:00 - [72] Originally by: Khes More immaterial drivel Read. One. Facking. Post. Up.
Khes	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:41:00 - [73] Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Khes More immaterial drivel Read. One. Facking. Post. Up. So if would be like if you are in the same gang then you could fight each other where ever you want without Concord involvement?
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:48:00 - [74] Originally by: Khes Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Khes More immaterial drivel Read. One. Facking. Post. Up. So if would be like if you are in the same gang then you could fight each other where ever you want without Concord involvement? Similar. Except with a formalized ruleset and penalties for in-gang unauthorized combatants. And gambling. Lots of gambling.
Khes	Posted - 2007.10.14 12:08:00 - [75] Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Khes Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Khes More immaterial drivel Read. One. Facking. Post. Up. So if would be like if you are in the same gang then you could fight each other where ever you want without Concord involvement? Similar. Except with a formalized ruleset and penalties for in-gang unauthorized combatants. And gambling. Lots of gambling. To me that sounds like sanctioned fighting in high-sec. A way to avoid the need to go to lowsec or make a war delceration and to be able to fight anyway. Yeah, that would not add to the empire population. If you take away the fight-incentive to go outside high-sec I think that would be a tiny bit counterproductive to CCPs work in trying to get people out of high-sec.
Etil DeLaFuente Res Publica R i s e	Posted - 2007.10.14 12:50:00 - [76] no, we don't
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.14 13:18:00 - [77] Edited by: Telemicus Thrace on 14/10/2007 13:19:03 Khes, the alliance tounament was held in game. The players are in the game, the ships they used were built in the game. It is no different than what I and a few others are suggesting. Now to compare arena combat as a spectator sport to mining? that's just stupid. In the current parlance, you fail.
Khes	Posted - 2007.10.14 13:52:00 - [78] Edited by: Khes on 14/10/2007 13:53:26 Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Edited by: Telemicus Thrace on 14/10/2007 13:19:03 Khes, the alliance tounament was held in game. The players are in the game, the ships they used were built in the game. It is no different than what I and a few others are suggesting. Now to compare arena combat as a spectator sport to mining? that's just stupid. In the current parlance, you fail. To say the alliance tournament is no different then what you are suggesting, an implemented arena fighting feature, now that is just stupid. you fail big time. And you fail to see why I brought up the mining thing as an simile. I used the mining thing as a semile regarding the isolated systems. And was not comparing arena fighting to mining.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.10.15 08:03:00 - [79] Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Originally by: Telemicus Thrace If you don't like arena combat don't take part As said before, I have no problem with arena's. But, if you and a friend go for a fight in the Arena, then I should be allowed to suicide gank you both, if I can before concord burns my ship to pieces. That is the part that dissapears with hard-coded closed arena's. Then make them hard-coded open arenas. You should be allowed to employ every non-exploit dirty trick in the book, including suiciding. Again, the question is if that would invalidate the match or not. No one here (except Jenny Spitfire Mk2) is advocating a lossless, compartmentalized, WoW-esque arena. We're talking about an official means by which we can engage in a short-duration PvP activity in a framework that discourages blatant abuse. Why does it have to be official? The BIG lottery is not official in any way. And you want to hardcode 4 cans in every system with a beacon in the middle? Why??? And about the match being invalid, thats up to whoever setups the arena to decide. If you setup the Arena, then it's your rules. If I set it up, it will be my rules. What is wrong with players creating the content with available tools??? Are you guys so lazy or just afraid? You want it, you make it.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:21:00 - [80] Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Why does it have to be official? The BIG lottery is not official in any way. And you want to hardcode 4 cans in every system with a beacon in the middle? Why??? And about the match being invalid, thats up to whoever setups the arena to decide. If you setup the Arena, then it's your rules. If I set it up, it will be my rules. What is wrong with players creating the content with available tools??? Are you guys so lazy or just afraid? You want it, you make it. Show me the in-game tool to make a system by which the jerk who breaks the rules is punished and in a substantial manner. With zero loss to the non-offending involved party or parties, or to their associates. And no, forum shaming doesn't count. Even better, describe these punitive actions as they relate to the following scenarios: Person A and Person B agree to a 1-v-1 duel, cruiser class ships only. Person A shows up in a Thorax. Person B shows up in a 'Geddon. Person A and Person B agree to a 1-v-1 duel, cruiser class ships only. Person A shows up in a Thorax. Person B shows up in a Stabber. So do 10 of his friends. Person A and Person B agree to a 1-v-1 duel, 10m ISK bet. Person A wins. Person B reneges on the bet. Person A and person B agree to a 1-v-1 duel to structure. Person B loses just barely and takes his revenge by destroying and looting A's ship. What good are player-made rules when there's no method of enforcement and anyone can throw them out the window on a whim?

fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:42:00 - [81] Edited by: fire 59 on 15/10/2007 09:44:05 Edited by: fire 59 on 15/10/2007 09:43:40 How about, when they bring in walking in stations, you and whoever can climb into a cage and fight, mortal combat style ^^ . Or while you are in the bar, you can break a chair over someones head ( hi goons) before getting ganked by concorde in there. Semi joking but i would like the last one "Random Goon " - why dont you kick box me about it, after your dad has killed himself of course
J'Mkarr Soban Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:48:00 - [82] Yeah, I like this. Adds a Gladiator profession. ----------------------------- "Oh, we're sorry, you had the 'NakedAmarrChicks' bit flagged in your account somehow." "Wait, why was there even a flag for that to begin with?" "..."
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:55:00 - [83] Horrible idea, in my opinion. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:56:00 - [84] Amarria Black, excuse me, where in my post I said lossless arena? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Phocas Lebournes Minmatar Seven. Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:56:00 - [85] Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Battlefields give consensual engagements That is the sole reason we should not have your proposed arena. EvE is a non-consensual PvP game. This
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:06:00 - [86] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Amarria Black, excuse me, where in my post I said lossless arena? I'm not going to repost your posts from the first page of this thread, but they appear to imply a lossless arena, in that ships don't actually get exploded. I apologize if I misunderstood. Are you advocating a combat-centric arena which supports a sliding scale loss model ranging from "to armor" >>> "to the death"?
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:08:00 - [87] Drop can. Let enemy loot can. You loot his can. Go to arranged range. Lock, web, scram, kill?
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:09:00 - [88] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 15/10/2007 10:13:53 Originally by: Amarria Black What good are player-made rules when there's no method of enforcement and anyone can throw them out the window on a whim? Hire mercs. By the way, get out of high-sec if you want player policing. By the way, what's with all the people who believe whenever you go out to PvP, a (capital) blob warps/jumps in on you?
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:11:00 - [89] Originally by: Cpt Branko Drop can. Let enemy loot can. You loot his can. Go to arranged range. Lock, web, scram, ten corpmates warp in, lots of, "hurhurhur yarrr" in local, kill? FTFY.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:13:00 - [90] Originally by: Cpt Branko Hire mercs. Not lossless for victim. Fail. Originally by: Cpt Branko By the way, get out of high-sec if you want player policing. I don't want player policing. I want a robust system that precludes the need for player policing. Double fail.



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