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Badboris	Posted - 2007.10.13 06:04:00 - [1] Hi I had an idea - perhaps at some NPC stations you could be able to sign up for arena battles per ship class, for 1 vs 1 PvP? For example, have different classes; T1 frigate, T1 gear Unrestricted frigate T1 cruiser, T1 gear Unrestricted cruiser etc..... You go to the station and sign up for a battle, get assigned (or choose) a partner, select a starting distance each 0-50km from a central point and then are autowarped to a spot in space where you fight. No-one else can warp to you, and you can't warp out until someone dies. This should be in highsec and concord will not interfere in the sport; this could be a way to get a cheap PvP fix (especially in T1 frigs) for a laugh. What do you think?
Jaikar Isillia Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.13 06:15:00 - [2] I can smell the napalm already.
Solant Minmatar Ventis Secundis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.13 06:22:00 - [3] As long as you still lose your ship and get your stuff looted it might be alright. Kinda takes away from the immersion of the game though.. I dunno about you but I wouldn't serve any pod pilot that liked to engage in duels for fun, sacrificing his entire ship crew again and again..
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.13 06:25:00 - [4] Curzon Dax had a 10 page thread on this.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.13 06:26:00 - [5] How about a combat simulator instead. You put your ISK on the table (cost of the virtual ship) and winner takes all less 10% to the house. The combat takes place in a simulator, just like a sealed system as used in the tournaments. Add a spectators interface so people can watch and a bookmaker then go for it. Even solves the crew RP issue as it is all simulated. Maybe allow players to run such establishments once ambulation comes out.
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.10.13 06:27:00 - [6] Go to the test server and knock yourself out. ____ The Video Vault
Oris Pricington	Posted - 2007.10.13 06:30:00 - [7] Edited by: Oris Pricington on 13/10/2007 06:30:21 Originally by: Ridley Tree Go to the test server and knock yourself out. It's amazing how bringing up an old topic also summons all the old strawmen. Test server has no potential for actual loss. Don't want a carebear arena, want to-the-death combat, ship loss, whole 9. Sonofa... Actually Amarria. I hate this forum. Permanent character selection prz kthx.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.13 09:17:00 - [8] I actually like this idea. It would be nice if we could have in-game battlefields feature. Sign up with random teammates or arranged teammates for a battlefield event and pew pew. Winners at the end of the event split the loot. There is risk vs reward. Risk - you consensually go in with a winning build (T2 or faction mods) and reward - if you win, you get to split loot without them taken away by who's first to collect loot. They way I see it, everyone wins. A lot of looting, multiplayer competitive combat and fun. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Chakademus Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.10.13 09:23:00 - [9] Jenny have you been playing too much WoW, i thought the whole point of EVE is that not everybody wins.
Alerion Acquire	Posted - 2007.10.13 09:32:00 - [10] /not signed. I think it's a really bad idea that goes against everything that Eve is about. There are other games that cater to this playstyle, you can play them instead. Eve is unique, please try to keep it unique.

Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.13 09:35:00 - [11] Edited by: Stitcher on 13/10/2007 09:36:22 Originally by: Badboris We need arena PvP at stations No we bloody well don't. EVE has always been based to some degree or another about what makes sense. There have never been magical "You cannot open fire on this person" fields. this is not WoW, GW or any one of the other hundreds of MMOs characterized by seas of corpses in front of all the major habitations. EVE is a dark and serious place. If it's pvp you're after, go find a nice low-sec belt or something... - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
Neoromi	Posted - 2007.10.13 09:38:00 - [12] Go back to WOW!
Cotton Tail Domination. League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.10.13 09:47:00 - [13] To be honest I think this kind of idea just doesn't belong in EVE. I can understand the reasons why people want it, but all the charm of EVE pvp is not in having a completely balanced 1v1 between ships of equal class and fitting, but the risk of escalation, in not knowing what you're up against, the 'oh ****' moments when you know you've comitted to a fight you can't possible win and perhaps most importantly is the thrill of the hunt. Without these things, EVE pvp is simply a matter of setup and clicking modules into active, in an arena all most player involved aspects of fighting would be done for you automatically, which is just meh.
Neal Cassady Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.10.13 09:49:00 - [14] oh ffs i cant believe im responding to another thread like this. eve is set up so that you have to use your brain to succeed in pvp, not just activate modules, orbit. you want a cheap pvp fix take a t1 frig into lowsec. or spar your corpmate. or go on test server. or flip each others cans. or go suck veld and wait for your can to get flipped. people looking for "fair" pvp do not understand eve.
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.13 09:57:00 - [15] First like has been said, the test server is great for "just for fun fights". Simply get a group together, put upp a web page with scedualed meets and you can have arena without any reprecussions fights all day. If there is a demand to fill I expect you will get a good turnout every well advertised meet. Second its easy enough to set upp battles ingame too, the mechanics are all there already, naturally this will all be based on honor but PvP lovers are honorable arent they? Simply pick a grid in 0.5-0.7 highsec space, drop a few secure containers and anchor them. My sugestion would be to place them at suitable distances from a chosen central point, say 50km, 100km 400km... whatever. Next the two or more combatants each jetison a can holding a few small items of no worth, say ammo. each combatant then loots from each of the containers triggering the aggro timer against all their oponents. Fly to your chosen starting point and go for it. Any rules you wish to impose can easilly be so, such as no warping, no eccm, whatever. The only problem is that it is based on honor :)
Cygnus Zhada Amarr UK Corp	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:02:00 - [16] The answer is very simple; EVE is so special because... (wait for it) it is special. One of the main attractions to EVE is that it's makers live on a real life and businesswise island; they're NOT bound by some big company like EA, M$ or similar. They're NOT bound by what the rest of the world thinks of them, all they do is make a game they themselves love to play and which they need other people to be in for it to work, both financially as the fact that they need friends&adversaries. ANYTHING that 'dillutes' the harshness/freshness of the game makes the game lose it's specialness and appeal to the base/initial players. EVE and it's community kinda pride themselves on the marmiteness (is that even a word?) of the game, if it would be easier, allow for simplified gameplay, copouts and whatnot... why play it at all. If you import stuff from other MMO's (ESPECIALLY WOW) then it will degrade to just another MMO. We're afraid of seeing that happen, we want to stay different/special/hated as much as possible to guard OUR type of gameplay since there's no other MMO out there that caters for this. There's already 15 bazillion WOW clones out there, if you want a WOW clone, pick one of those but leave EVE alone. Apart from that, instancing is BAD, it's BAD gameplay, it's BAD gamedesign. They already caved in when they made the starter areas instances, that already shows they are trying to WOWify the game somewhat. They shouldn't. EVE is and should always remain a marmite game... Welcome to EVE Online: Press 1 for Caldari, PVE Online Press 2 for Minmatar, PVP Online Press 3 for Gallente, PWN Online Press 4 for Amarr, Lulz Online
Badboris	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:07:00 - [17] okay, a few things. 1) This is not a 'test' idea - if you loose your ship, or get podded, its fair game. 2) Its like a sport. i.e. you can wager on the outcome of the fight beforehand, and win loot from the other ship. If you want T2 loot, you fight in the unrestricted class. 3) I don't play WoW, and never have, cos it sucks. 4) Why is this unrealistic? its like a sporting event, you sign up, you gamble, and you fight. Its like boxing, and I think would create a new dimension of PvP and get some of the carebears into the fun. 5) PvP in eve is usually just gank-squads. Very rarely will you ever get a fair 1 vs 1 fight, and so I think it would diversify the game and create a new branch of ship setups and skills.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:15:00 - [18] I think it's a silly idea. You can already arrange a fight, and go shoot someone. So... just do that. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? GMP and TNP
Chronos VIII Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:19:00 - [19] 200% signed. Its an awesome idea to have something like an arena where you can pvp, when you are bored or tired.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 13/10/2007 09:36:22 Originally by: Badboris We need arena PvP at stations No we bloody well don't. EVE has always been based to some degree or another about what makes sense. There have never been magical "You cannot open fire on this person" fields. this is not WoW, GW or any one of the other hundreds of MMOs characterized by seas of corpses in front of all the major habitations. EVE is a dark and serious place. If it's pvp you're after, go find a nice low-sec belt or something... No magical field was proposed. Anyone who's not a combatant performs any sort of combat action, CONCORD (or some sort of gaming regulatory agency) politely reminds them why outside spectators don't participate. As to the "go to lowsec" argument that's bandied about every five minutes: doesn't work. Going to low sec does not guarantee combat, especially not in a short period of time. "Fair fight" argument: no one proposed fair. In fact, quite a few matchups will be patently unfair. "Consentual PvP" argument: What's inherently wrong with consentual PvP? Currently, I passively consent to PvP every time I undock from a station? Why can't two parties actively consent to PvP in a structured manner? Why can't game mechanics support this? As it stands, the system in place in game is too easy to abuse. Lennox Lewis doesn't show up with a gank squad at the prize fight; how is that unreasonable to ask for in-game? "Ruins 0.0 / lowsec" argument: If something so minor as an arena ruins 0.0 or lowsec, then it obviously wasn't very fun in the first place, was it? Did I miss any?

Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:29:00 - [21] Edited by: Telemicus Thrace on 13/10/2007 10:34:09 Lots of knee-jerk reactions in this thread. Nobody is against the alliance tournaments but heaven forbid we discuss the possibility of having the same thing in game, watchable through the game engine. I personally like the idea of betting on these matches more than taking part. Would people feel differently if we were talking about Mindclash games in stations once ambulation came out? There are so many types of PvP in Eve, I really think there is room for more flavours. A whole new career, I can just see the back of the box now. Freeform career paths, be a Miner, Pirate, Industrialist, Trader, Freedom Fighter, Duelist, Pro-Sports Mindclash star, Lab rat, Bounty Hunter... PvP in Eve is all well and good as it is but for those times you can only jump on for 15 minutes this could be a good laugh. Bottom line, if nobody wanted or enjoyed Arena style sports PvP we would not have had so many alliance tournaments, there wouldn't be so many player organised bouts and there wouldn't be a match down every fan fest. The engine is in place, add a few intefaces and a whole new part of Eve opens up. "Sorry Karn, I can't make it to the raid tonight. I have 50 million ISK riding on Badboris in a 2 v 1 Cruiser / Frigate bout and front row seats in the Galleria." Edit: You make some good points Amarria. Originally by: Amarria Black "Ruins 0.0 / lowsec" argument: If something so minor as an arena ruins 0.0 or lowsec, then it obviously wasn't very fun in the first place, was it? Fun aside you don't gain territory or defeat an enemy in an arena. 0.0 will always be there as a war zone. The only way you can lose a region in the arena is if you place it as a bet. In our alliance like many others we often have tounaments with prizes. It's good fun. Doesn't stop us doing all the other types of PvP. More options, more fun. I like the idea of getting more fun out of this game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:57:00 - [22] Why wouldn't battlefields be a bad idea? Battlefields are good in this game. The game mechanics are already there. Enter deadspace or acceleration gate and your team would be in level 1 of the battlefield. Win the battlefield, proceed until the next battlefield until your team have won the event battlefield and be the king of the hill. I am sure griefing pirates or alliance lackeys would initially say no to battlefields but once they are in the game, they would participate in them. Battlefields give consensual engagements - no need to camp low secs for hours or wait in null-secs for hours and get no engagements. You login into the game, get a gang or wait into a queue to enter battlefields. If griefing pirates or alliance lackeys do not want to play battlefields, there is nothing to worry. I am sure, we empire people would participate them. You fight in the battlefields and if your team wins, everyone receives automatic loot split. Market is still present to support battlefield warfare. Players still lose ISKs in battlefields. Players could have ladder play - e-sports or pro-gaming when they score kill points. CCP could implement this battlefield rules: 1) A battlefield game can be a solo or a 4v4 arranged team or random team game. 2) A battlefield event consists of 8 random solo players or arranged/random teams to start with. They are like group A, B, C and D. 3) At the start, everyone will fight at level 1 of the deadspace. Winners of level 1 will proceed to level 2, etc. 4) There is a timer at every level and if nobody wins, then the winner is the one who scored the most damage in the engagement. Losers will have their ships automatically destroyed. If there is a draw, nobody gets destroyed and are kicked out of battlefields. Any player receiving 2 draws a day will be banned from battlefields for 24 hours. This is to prevent time wasters from ruining game play for other players. Players will need webs and warp scramblers to hold opponents to pew pew. Holding opponents are important because if there is a draw, the tie breaker is the player who scores the most damage in the round. 5) Winners of battlefields, the kings of the hill would receive bonus kill points and loot from losers in current and previous levels. To be honest, I think it is all good for everyone. It definitely beats waiting for kills. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:03:00 - [23] I have absolutely nothing against the battlefield idea, if it is created by the players only. No specific coding from the devs required at all (can't stress that enough). Its all about trust. A corp can anchor 4 can's and deem that the arena. People can the sign up for said arena, but its the players who maintain the signups. People can also place wagers, but again, its player made. That way, you can get scammed, cheated and all the bad things that make EvE, or you can actually have a genuine thing running. Just like the BIG lottery. They to could have run off with the money from tickest sold, but they have not. An honorable bunch who setup a game within the game base only on trust. And it is still going strong. Yeah, it won't be easy and it shouldn't be either. But it should be player made and player enforced. That I would support fully.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Battlefields give consensual engagements That is the sole reason we should not have your proposed arena. EvE is a non-consensual PvP game.
Oris Pricington	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:08:00 - [25] Edited by: Oris Pricington on 13/10/2007 11:09:04 Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Battlefields give consensual engagements That is the sole reason we should not have your proposed arena. EvE is a non-consensual PvP game. Answer my rebuttal to this argument: what is inherently wrong with optional consentual PvP in addition to existant non-consentual PvP? Adding an arena doesn't make all PvP consentual. Edit: Son. Of. A. ***!!!! Stupid facking forum can't facking remember which facking character I facking posted with from one facking second to the facking next! Coded by a ****** chimp. /end GordonRamseyRant
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:16:00 - [26] Originally by: Oris Pricington Edited by: Oris Pricington on 13/10/2007 11:09:04 Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Battlefields give consensual engagements That is the sole reason we should not have your proposed arena. EvE is a non-consensual PvP game. Answer my rebuttal to this argument: what is inherently wrong with optional consentual PvP in addition to existant non-consentual PvP? Adding an arena doesn't make all PvP consentual. You can't have both. Like warmth and cold at the same time . If you can conceeded to a battle with Bob, can Ryan and George then bust the battle? If they can't, you have effectvily remove the non-consensual warfare from Ryan and George. If they can, you have removed the consencual battle from you and Bob.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:21:00 - [27] What utter nonsense. If I want cold, I go into an air-conditioned room. If I want hot, I stand besides a heater. If you don't want heater, you can stay in the cold side of the room. You don't have to participate in battlefields if you don't want to. You are like those people who are anti-ambulation, don't dock if you don't want to see your toon. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire What utter nonsense. If I want cold, I go into an air-conditioned room. If I want hot, I stand besides a heater. If you don't want heater, you can stay in the cold side of the room. You don't have to participate in battlefields if you don't want to. You are like those people who are anti-ambulation, don't dock if you don't want to see your toon. Eh? You should read what I wrote again. I do belive I mentioned the words at the same time.
lolzor	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:25:00 - [29] Once walking in stations comes out there should be a small arena where people can 1on1 knife fight, like how it was in cs.
Some Caldari Caldari Sanguine Raiders	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:33:00 - [30] Whats wrong with people having the chance to have a quick fight in EvE without sitting in low sec for hours or finding you can't use bugger all on SiSi due to your skills being 3 months out of date? We've been having threads spring up about eve needing some mindless fun for those that don't want to dedicate 4 hours of sitting around for 5 mins of fun. And like some have said it may even add side professions to the game. You're right this isn't WoW but what the hell does that have do do with things? It's still a good idea and would help when you only have 15 mins to play. ------------ Originally by: Banana Torres Gurls are overrated, they nick your money and hurt your ears. Just so you can have limited access to their soft and squishy bits.

Cybele Lanier	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:34:00 - [31] Signed and agreed 100%. Rather than seduce players away from "real EVE", an arena would probably be most appealing to players who want to fight a human opponent and risk high stakes, but who don't want to put up with the not-inconsiderable chance of PVP becoming either a dull blobfest or sitting outside a gate for three hours and then having your enemy just dock up for the night. In other words, the sort of people who are not currently engaging in the PVP options on offer.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.13 12:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes You can't have both. Like warmth and cold at the same time . If you can conceeded to a battle with Bob, can Ryan and George then bust the battle? If they can't, you have effectvily remove the non-consensual warfare from Ryan and George. If they can, you have removed the consencual battle from you and Bob. Wrongo. I'm fighting Bob. (Could you have picked a more loaded name? ^_^) Ryan and George show up. Ryan starts repping Bob, and George starts shooting me. Shennanigans! Independant Gaming Authority / CONCORD proceeds to WTFPWN them. Non-consentual fun had by all. The real question would be whether or not this would invalidate the original match.
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.10.13 12:30:00 - [33] This thread and all of it's kind should be killed on arrival. It's a stupid idea from people who don't understand the game and is always a 5-15 page thread with regurgitated reasons as to why. _
Taint Caldari The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.10.13 12:42:00 - [34] Originally by: Badboris Hi I had an idea - perhaps at some NPC stations you could be able to sign up for arena battles per ship class, for 1 vs 1 PvP? For example, have different classes; T1 frigate, T1 gear Unrestricted frigate T1 cruiser, T1 gear Unrestricted cruiser etc..... You go to the station and sign up for a battle, get assigned (or choose) a partner, select a starting distance each 0-50km from a central point and then are autowarped to a spot in space where you fight. No-one else can warp to you, and you can't warp out until someone dies. This should be in highsec and concord will not interfere in the sport; this could be a way to get a cheap PvP fix (especially in T1 frigs) for a laugh. What do you think? Go back to WoW plz
Snake Doctor Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.13 12:49:00 - [35] /massive failure. Rifter Flight Manual!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.13 13:12:00 - [36] What is so fail with arenas? I do not understand this slang. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
galadran Caldari Alcohol Fueled Brutality Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.10.13 13:18:00 - [37] 1. We need battlegrounds in the same way we need Cute axes of +10 damage 2. The mechanics for this are already ingame. This idea adds nothing new. People can still setup fights and battlegrounds. It just takes trust and brains.
Khes	Posted - 2007.10.13 14:12:00 - [38] Edited by: Khes on 13/10/2007 14:13:10 Oh noes, not this old thing again. Yes, let's have a Eve-light within Eve for those who does not like the concept of an open sandbox game where anything can happen. If you want "fair" pre-setup fights where no-one else can intervene (because that would not be fair) go find that kind of game. Im sure there are plenty of spaceship-fighting-action-sims with multiplayer features where you can play matches with rules and a referee and stuff out there. Go play those. ¦ Why play a MMORPG like Eve if you only want some quick insta-gratifying pre-setup "fair" fights. What you suggest is some light arcade version of Eve. Please have a look at the old thread that someone linked to in the beginning of this thread.
Alty MacAlterson Alt Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.13 14:24:00 - [39] gb2wow
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.13 14:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire What is so fail with arenas? I do not understand this slang. Neeaeeaarrrrgh1!!! Arenas are a bad bad idea - why? BECAUSE THEY ARE CONTRIVED. Eve is a game trying to emulate a living universe. If you put arenas in then its just a game like Unreal, CS or hundreds of others. ALL that trade and industry would be for nothing but to fuel these stupid arenas. You'd get wines on the forums 'nerf the blah blah its too good in arenas' you'd get demands for 'arena only' modules: it would spoil this fantastic universe. Want to fight - then fight like everyone else: with RISK, with the high possibility that it WON'T be a fair fight, that you'll get ganked. THAT is Eve - this idea is just a farce. C. - sig designer - eve mail

Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.13 14:35:00 - [41] Edited by: Plutoinum on 13/10/2007 14:38:55 The only reason, why I don't like arenas, is because I think that EVE is a serious game, where actions like killing should mean something and have an impact. If you think about a player driven universe like player made conflicts, politics etc., then the meaningful pvp drives it a lot. I kill you, you are **ed, call your mates, demand compensation, I say 'feck off' and you say: 'Ok, you want it this way. Die !' and we have a nice emotional conflict. That was simple exampe ofc., usually it's more complex. Anyway these seriousness in pvp conflict is needed in EVE. Strong emotions like temporary anger drive the game. This might** get lost, if we get an influx of people, who prefer some easy entertainment by playing space shooter matches. I'm not sure, but it might just change, how eve is being played and don't like a development towards light entertainment for the masses.
Ovno ConSyquence Amarr The Plebians	Posted - 2007.10.13 14:55:00 - [42] The one thing all of you pro arena lot still haven't answered is why can't you just do it by the combatants can flipping each other, that way it could even be help in 1.0 if you wanted too!!!!!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.13 15:16:00 - [43] They could have friends nearby. Anyway, I still haven't seen any good reason that anti-arena campers are so against adding a new game play into the game other than can't kill easily because engagements are consensual. Maybe this game is really meant for players to grieVe-online. Sighs. I do not know should I continue or stop posting because the community is into non-consensually unfair game play. I can't decide. Oh well, I let the pro and anti arena campers to decide. I will continue to post for fair game play if the pro-arena people ask me to fight for their side or else I will stop fighting for fair game play. The first 50 wins. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Psyon Ra Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.13 15:31:00 - [44] Edited by: Psyon Ra on 13/10/2007 15:32:36 as a new player to EVE, i will tell everyone here that it will ruin this great game period ! if you do not understand why it will ruin it, then you need to use some of those deductive reasoning skills to figure it out. Quote: All facts are swept aside that fail to conform to what has become a self sustaining reality
Khes	Posted - 2007.10.13 15:46:00 - [45] Asking for arenas is is like if a miner was to ask for a isolated asteroid belt where no one else could get in if he was there minign because the miner is tired of the threat of pirates. It would then be a mining simulator. Yes, he is still mining but not in the "real" world. If some game play was to be added to Eve it can not be isolated from the rest of the universe. It is like if we had complexes that closed after someone entering it. Then the complex would be isolated from the rest of the universe. Why have a non-sharded server if there where isolated areas. Even if it was not an isolated geographical area it would still mean that no one else could interfere with the two fighting oponents somehow because if they could it would not longer be fair,right? And WHAM!, we have a artificial fight that is isolated from the rest of the universe.
Motokko Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.13 16:15:00 - [46] Awesome, you cant warp out till someone dies. I can just imagine two pilots who cant break each other's tanks getting stuck out there. It'd be like a staring contest. The last person to get bored to death and sell destruct wins
Some Caldari Caldari Sanguine Raiders	Posted - 2007.10.13 16:27:00 - [47] I don't mind the whole risk thing but often even if you offer it up on a plate people won't come for hours. ------------ Originally by: Banana Torres Gurls are overrated, they nick your money and hurt your ears. Just so you can have limited access to their soft and squishy bits.
Wallstreet Susan	Posted - 2007.10.13 16:38:00 - [48] I don't want to see any form of a pklite. It was death of Asheron's Call, and I believe it would be the death of this game too. No pain, no gain. W. S.
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.13 17:10:00 - [49] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire They could have friends nearby. Anyway, I still haven't seen any good reason that anti-arena campers are so against adding a new game play into the game other than can't kill easily because engagements are consensual. Maybe this game is really meant for players to grieVe-online. Sighs. I do not know should I continue or stop posting because the community is into non-consensually unfair game play. I can't decide. Oh well, I let the pro and anti arena campers to decide. I will continue to post for fair game play if the pro-arena people ask me to fight for their side or else I will stop fighting for fair game play. The first 50 wins. Thats right. We are. Get over it. C. - sig designer - eve mail
Hannobaal Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.10.13 18:36:00 - [50] Originally by: Oris Pricington Edited by: Oris Pricington on 13/10/2007 06:30:21 Originally by: Ridley Tree Go to the test server and knock yourself out. It's amazing how bringing up an old topic also summons all the old strawmen. Test server has no potential for actual loss. Don't want a carebear arena, want to-the-death combat, ship loss, whole 9. Come out to 0.0, and you'll get your loss.

El'essar Viocragh Minmatar FSK23	Posted - 2007.10.13 18:36:00 - [51] Edited by: El''essar Viocragh on 13/10/2007 18:36:31 No. As an industrialist, I refuse to build ships for people doing such nonsense. Arena = bad. -- [17:47] <Mephysto> its dead, jim
Kadrush	Posted - 2007.10.13 18:49:00 - [52] Can we bet in the battles? Plz, plz, plz...
Das Lol Gallente Internet Space Fighters	Posted - 2007.10.13 18:58:00 - [53] No.
MHayes	Posted - 2007.10.13 19:28:00 - [54] Why choose when you can have both, real PVP and fake(WoW PVP )and by making it some kind of VR it fits in to the RP.
Mr Bodacious mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.13 19:58:00 - [55] Edited by: Mr Bodacious on 13/10/2007 19:59:41 Edited by: Mr Bodacious on 13/10/2007 19:58:45 Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 13/10/2007 09:36:22 Originally by: Badboris EVE is a dark and serious place. If it's pvp you're after, go find a nice low-sec belt or something... You truly have no idea what you're talking about. Its possible to spend a full day looking for low-sec mining/ratting and not find a single person. I think this would be a good idea because the PVP in this game is failing, its all about gate camping or blobs these days. edit: as to the immersion level, wtf? If people can host their own private battlegrounds, why doesn't one of the major powers host one? Prize-fighting ftw? Or maybe that doesn't fit into YOUR idea of a sandbox game. It fits into mine, however.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.10.13 22:15:00 - [56] Originally by: Some Caldari Whats wrong with people having the chance to have a quick fight in EvE without sitting in low sec for hours or finding you can't use bugger all on SiSi due to your skills being 3 months out of date? We've been having threads spring up about eve needing some mindless fun for those that don't want to dedicate 4 hours of sitting around for 5 mins of fun. And like some have said it may even add side professions to the game. You're right this isn't WoW but what the hell does that have do do with things? It's still a good idea and would help when you only have 15 mins to play. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people having a chance of a quick fight. But it is nothing the devs should setup, it should be 100% player run. So, start a channel called "Arena 1" (or what not), invite friends and strangers to it, advertise it on the forums for like minded people and arrange your arena battles anywhere you want to. Do not turn to the devs for a solution. Use the tools, with all the dangers that follows. Thats what they are there for.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.10.13 22:16:00 - [57] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire What is so fail with arenas? I do not understand this slang. Nothing, now go make it in game. Don't turn to devs.
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.14 08:51:00 - [58] I dont get it... You want 1 on 1 fights... So arrange it. All the neccesary tools are in there, highsec safespot arena, secure container starting boys, aggro system that keeps concord out of the fight. So why ask the devs to set somthing upp that you yourself can easilly do? Yes you will have problems with people trying to wreck your fun but thanx to the aggro system they will never be able to get kill rights on you unless you make a mistake. They loot your cans, drop new. They get in the way, move. They spam, flame, grief you, petition and move.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.14 09:20:00 - [59] Why can't you do this now with the current game mechanics? You can, and people do. Quite a bit. Eve doesn't need arenas! nobody wants them!!1! gb2wow!11 Need? no. Nor does it need missions. Players want them though. They are popular. If combat sports broke Eve would CCP put so much effort into the Alliance Tournament? if it was so ***e would thousands watch it? If simulated combat in a controlled environment for entertainment and gambling is so unrealistic explain to me boxing or wrestling. Why do Devs have to build stufs?* Well, they don't. But it will add to the game. It will give players broader scope for arena style prize fighting greater than what they have now. Add the functionality for spectators to watch bouts from stations via camera drones and throw in some gambling and fun times for all (and profit for some). The subject keeps coming up and is actively fuelled by CCP arranging tournaments themsleves. But it will break Eve!?!?!!1!11! Rubbish, total rubbish. Nothing will be taken away from Eve or degraded in any way. We will just have more options for entertainment, more options for stuff to watch, more things to do in the 30mins before DT. More fun. Now the detractors of this idea keep saying "go back to WoW" or "you people don't understand Eve". Really, that is nothing but the whining of children who fear something new. If you don't like arena combat don't take part, it's a policy I find has worked well for me and mining for a very long time.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.10.14 09:32:00 - [60] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace If you don't like arena combat don't take part As said before, I have no problem with arena's. But, if you and a friend go for a fight in the Arena, then I should be allowed to suicide gank you both, if I can before concord burns my ship to pieces. That is the part that dissapears with hard-coded closed arena's.

Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.14 09:41:00 - [61] Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Originally by: Telemicus Thrace If you don't like arena combat don't take part As said before, I have no problem with arena's. But, if you and a friend go for a fight in the Arena, then I should be allowed to suicide gank you both, if I can before concord burns my ship to pieces. That is the part that dissapears with hard-coded closed arena's. Why should you be able to? You can't do that at the alliance tounament? When ambulation comes out and we are sitting playing cards or Mindclash you can't do it? You could suicide gank them on the way to or from the station if you really want, no change there.
H4kz0rz Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.14 09:52:00 - [62] WoW ------> that was this is EvE now leave it alone its perfect the way it is , you want pvp try 0.0 or as some one already said SiSi .... Oh look no portrate !
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.14 09:55:00 - [63] Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Originally by: Telemicus Thrace If you don't like arena combat don't take part As said before, I have no problem with arena's. But, if you and a friend go for a fight in the Arena, then I should be allowed to suicide gank you both, if I can before concord burns my ship to pieces. That is the part that dissapears with hard-coded closed arena's. Then make them hard-coded open arenas. You should be allowed to employ every non-exploit dirty trick in the book, including suiciding. Again, the question is if that would invalidate the match or not. No one here (except Jenny Spitfire Mk2) is advocating a lossless, compartmentalized, WoW-esque arena. We're talking about an official means by which we can engage in a short-duration PvP activity in a framework that discourages blatant abuse.
Bishman82 Racketeers	Posted - 2007.10.14 10:12:00 - [64] I know, why don't CCP release a 2 player version of eve on ps3 and xbox360? Basically all the fun of EVE but with all the boring bits taken out, and the controls improved for a more user friendly experience. It could be called 'EVE Duel' or something original like that. <insert REALLY good photoshop of eve/streetfighter 2 character select screen here>
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.14 10:26:00 - [65] Edited by: Telemicus Thrace on 14/10/2007 10:31:31 Well if thats the way you really feel I expect you all to boycott Eve the next time CCP hold an alliance tounament. Take it as far as your convictions are able to carry you. Edit: If I am completely honest I don't enjoy watching other people fight in Eve, not as it stands. With a spectator interface where I could watch the fight from both PoV and see what mods they were using and when it might be more interesting. I would really like to see some form of PvP spectator sport in Eve that was fun to watch and play. With gambling. With the scope for racketeering. I think Mindclash is the perfect candidate for this once Ambulation comes out. Now, anybody got a problem with that?
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.10.14 10:45:00 - [66] Originally by: Amarria Black Curzon Dax had a 10 page thread on this. I tend to ignore threads by people which i considor to be idiots.
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:00:00 - [67] It's strange, i read so many posts on so many threads about people wanting to get others involved in more pvp, but if someone suggests a way for people to get into pvp a little easier then it gets flamed to a crisp. Whats wrong with arenas? just the fact that u can't have a big standby blob to jump in on ur opponent if ur faced with a possible los? or just cuz u can't gank them from the start? I dunno, but the '2 men enter 1 men leaves' concept appeals to me more then to go to low/0.0 sec and get ganked by a carrier/MS blob. think about it, which of which is the actual pvp that ccp had in mind? i hardly think dropping a carrierforce on a lone ratting bs is the kind of pvp the ccp staff invisioned unless i'm totally wrong on this, then i apologize. Impo pvp arenas in hi sec is a great idea. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:12:00 - [68] Instancing pvp is a bad idea for EVE. Arena pvp sounds great to carebears, "In your face stupid ganking pirates come beat me 1v1!!!" But what they dont realise is that arena would be DOMINATED by older players. Out in standard eve combat you can gank them 2004 players with there faction fitted faction BS by getting a few mates and baiting them out and ewaring him into the stone age. Not gonna happen in Arena's is it? No, its not because you all want "fair" combat in a game that is pretty much built around gank combat.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:17:00 - [69] mitsuko, arenas combat are not 100% fair. You can enter in a faction ship and fight a T1 ship and you would win because you have the unfair advantage. The point of arena combat is consensual combat. A place to have fun and learn without worries about lame play. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:20:00 - [70] Originally by: MITSUK0 Instancing pvp Stopped reading on word 2. Not instanced. Repeat after me: NOOOOOOT INNNNSTANNNNCED. Very good. Suicide gankers. Showing up with a fleet. Alt in a repper ship. All perfectly acceptable behavior... which CONCORD / some sort of Gaming Commission promptly rewards you for by WTFPWNING you, assuming you're not a registered combatant. Try redoing that post from scratch.

Khes	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:26:00 - [71] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Edited by: Telemicus Thrace on 14/10/2007 10:31:31 Well if thats the way you really feel I expect you all to boycott Eve the next time CCP hold an alliance tounament. Take it as far as your convictions are able to carry you. Edit: If I am completely honest I don't enjoy watching other people fight in Eve, not as it stands. With a spectator interface where I could watch the fight from both PoV and see what mods they were using and when it might be more interesting. I would really like to see some form of PvP spectator sport in Eve that was fun to watch and play. With gambling. With the scope for racketeering. I think Mindclash is the perfect candidate for this once Ambulation comes out. Now, anybody got a problem with that? The alliance tournament and a in game feature is very different. Arena fighting should be restricted to be a world event as it is now and not a in-game feature at any NPC station. If I was to ask for a arena minigin facility so I could mine but without the obsticales of the Eve universe, you would not see aany prroblem with a feature like that? You can fight as much as you like and you should do, but implementing some type of fight-feature that avoids the involvement/obstacles/influence/ of the rest of the world would is flaud. Why waste server resources to something that is isolated from the rest of the universe. Then open up a new server with a a new light version of Eve with arena fights only. And then another server for those who like some other kind of play-style but does not want to take part of entire Eve Universe. And then see Eve go under.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:28:00 - [72] Originally by: Khes More immaterial drivel Read. One. Facking. Post. Up.
Khes	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:41:00 - [73] Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Khes More immaterial drivel Read. One. Facking. Post. Up. So if would be like if you are in the same gang then you could fight each other where ever you want without Concord involvement?
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:48:00 - [74] Originally by: Khes Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Khes More immaterial drivel Read. One. Facking. Post. Up. So if would be like if you are in the same gang then you could fight each other where ever you want without Concord involvement? Similar. Except with a formalized ruleset and penalties for in-gang unauthorized combatants. And gambling. Lots of gambling.
Khes	Posted - 2007.10.14 12:08:00 - [75] Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Khes Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Khes More immaterial drivel Read. One. Facking. Post. Up. So if would be like if you are in the same gang then you could fight each other where ever you want without Concord involvement? Similar. Except with a formalized ruleset and penalties for in-gang unauthorized combatants. And gambling. Lots of gambling. To me that sounds like sanctioned fighting in high-sec. A way to avoid the need to go to lowsec or make a war delceration and to be able to fight anyway. Yeah, that would not add to the empire population. If you take away the fight-incentive to go outside high-sec I think that would be a tiny bit counterproductive to CCPs work in trying to get people out of high-sec.
Etil DeLaFuente Res Publica R i s e	Posted - 2007.10.14 12:50:00 - [76] no, we don't
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.14 13:18:00 - [77] Edited by: Telemicus Thrace on 14/10/2007 13:19:03 Khes, the alliance tounament was held in game. The players are in the game, the ships they used were built in the game. It is no different than what I and a few others are suggesting. Now to compare arena combat as a spectator sport to mining? that's just stupid. In the current parlance, you fail.
Khes	Posted - 2007.10.14 13:52:00 - [78] Edited by: Khes on 14/10/2007 13:53:26 Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Edited by: Telemicus Thrace on 14/10/2007 13:19:03 Khes, the alliance tounament was held in game. The players are in the game, the ships they used were built in the game. It is no different than what I and a few others are suggesting. Now to compare arena combat as a spectator sport to mining? that's just stupid. In the current parlance, you fail. To say the alliance tournament is no different then what you are suggesting, an implemented arena fighting feature, now that is just stupid. you fail big time. And you fail to see why I brought up the mining thing as an simile. I used the mining thing as a semile regarding the isolated systems. And was not comparing arena fighting to mining.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.10.15 08:03:00 - [79] Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Originally by: Telemicus Thrace If you don't like arena combat don't take part As said before, I have no problem with arena's. But, if you and a friend go for a fight in the Arena, then I should be allowed to suicide gank you both, if I can before concord burns my ship to pieces. That is the part that dissapears with hard-coded closed arena's. Then make them hard-coded open arenas. You should be allowed to employ every non-exploit dirty trick in the book, including suiciding. Again, the question is if that would invalidate the match or not. No one here (except Jenny Spitfire Mk2) is advocating a lossless, compartmentalized, WoW-esque arena. We're talking about an official means by which we can engage in a short-duration PvP activity in a framework that discourages blatant abuse. Why does it have to be official? The BIG lottery is not official in any way. And you want to hardcode 4 cans in every system with a beacon in the middle? Why??? And about the match being invalid, thats up to whoever setups the arena to decide. If you setup the Arena, then it's your rules. If I set it up, it will be my rules. What is wrong with players creating the content with available tools??? Are you guys so lazy or just afraid? You want it, you make it.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:21:00 - [80] Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Why does it have to be official? The BIG lottery is not official in any way. And you want to hardcode 4 cans in every system with a beacon in the middle? Why??? And about the match being invalid, thats up to whoever setups the arena to decide. If you setup the Arena, then it's your rules. If I set it up, it will be my rules. What is wrong with players creating the content with available tools??? Are you guys so lazy or just afraid? You want it, you make it. Show me the in-game tool to make a system by which the jerk who breaks the rules is punished and in a substantial manner. With zero loss to the non-offending involved party or parties, or to their associates. And no, forum shaming doesn't count. Even better, describe these punitive actions as they relate to the following scenarios: Person A and Person B agree to a 1-v-1 duel, cruiser class ships only. Person A shows up in a Thorax. Person B shows up in a 'Geddon. Person A and Person B agree to a 1-v-1 duel, cruiser class ships only. Person A shows up in a Thorax. Person B shows up in a Stabber. So do 10 of his friends. Person A and Person B agree to a 1-v-1 duel, 10m ISK bet. Person A wins. Person B reneges on the bet. Person A and person B agree to a 1-v-1 duel to structure. Person B loses just barely and takes his revenge by destroying and looting A's ship. What good are player-made rules when there's no method of enforcement and anyone can throw them out the window on a whim?

fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:42:00 - [81] Edited by: fire 59 on 15/10/2007 09:44:05 Edited by: fire 59 on 15/10/2007 09:43:40 How about, when they bring in walking in stations, you and whoever can climb into a cage and fight, mortal combat style ^^ . Or while you are in the bar, you can break a chair over someones head ( hi goons) before getting ganked by concorde in there. Semi joking but i would like the last one "Random Goon " - why dont you kick box me about it, after your dad has killed himself of course
J'Mkarr Soban Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:48:00 - [82] Yeah, I like this. Adds a Gladiator profession. ----------------------------- "Oh, we're sorry, you had the 'NakedAmarrChicks' bit flagged in your account somehow." "Wait, why was there even a flag for that to begin with?" "..."
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:55:00 - [83] Horrible idea, in my opinion. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:56:00 - [84] Amarria Black, excuse me, where in my post I said lossless arena? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Phocas Lebournes Minmatar Seven. Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:56:00 - [85] Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Battlefields give consensual engagements That is the sole reason we should not have your proposed arena. EvE is a non-consensual PvP game. This
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:06:00 - [86] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Amarria Black, excuse me, where in my post I said lossless arena? I'm not going to repost your posts from the first page of this thread, but they appear to imply a lossless arena, in that ships don't actually get exploded. I apologize if I misunderstood. Are you advocating a combat-centric arena which supports a sliding scale loss model ranging from "to armor" >>> "to the death"?
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:08:00 - [87] Drop can. Let enemy loot can. You loot his can. Go to arranged range. Lock, web, scram, kill?
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:09:00 - [88] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 15/10/2007 10:13:53 Originally by: Amarria Black What good are player-made rules when there's no method of enforcement and anyone can throw them out the window on a whim? Hire mercs. By the way, get out of high-sec if you want player policing. By the way, what's with all the people who believe whenever you go out to PvP, a (capital) blob warps/jumps in on you?
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:11:00 - [89] Originally by: Cpt Branko Drop can. Let enemy loot can. You loot his can. Go to arranged range. Lock, web, scram, ten corpmates warp in, lots of, "hurhurhur yarrr" in local, kill? FTFY.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:13:00 - [90] Originally by: Cpt Branko Hire mercs. Not lossless for victim. Fail. Originally by: Cpt Branko By the way, get out of high-sec if you want player policing. I don't want player policing. I want a robust system that precludes the need for player policing. Double fail.

Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:21:00 - [91] Originally by: Amarria Black Not lossless for victim. Fail. I don't want player policing. I want a robust system that precludes the need for player policing. Double fail. Is anything in EvE for free? Have you noticed that the only non-player policed things are e-baying (banstick) and high-sec combat (concord). Everything else is preety much player policed atm, contract scams, corp theft and so on. CCP quite obviously wants player policing. All the trust-based systems in EvE are player policed - you rely on someone's reputation and so on (and possibility of retribution) to decide wether you'll enter a deal with someone or not. The comments about a blob jumping in on you whenever you 1v1 makes me think you don't really PvP at all. Or choose your opponents very stupidly - I've never had a 1v1 dishonoured.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:29:00 - [92] Amarria Black, you did not read and yet you could conclude I asked for lossless arena. If you had read the post, I am advocating an arena where losers would lose their ships. What is lossless about that? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.15 11:00:00 - [93] Originally by: Cpt Branko Is anything in EvE for free? Have you noticed that the only non-player policed things are e-baying (banstick) and high-sec combat (concord). Everything else is preety much player policed atm, contract scams, corp theft and so on. CCP quite obviously wants player policing. All the trust-based systems in EvE are player policed - you rely on someone's reputation and so on (and possibility of retribution) to decide wether you'll enter a deal with someone or not. When did I ever mention a trust-based system? I want a mechanics-based system. The current trust-based system is insufficient for the task at hand. When you buy 10,000 trit off the market, do you have to worry that it won't be there when you go to pick it up? No. If you go run a mission, do you have to plan for the possibility that the Blood Raiders are sick of your shennanigans and decide to send triple the forces to get rid of you once and for all? Nope. Same concept here. A mechanical answer is inherently robust and therefore encourages participation. Originally by: Cpt Branko The comments about a blob jumping in on you whenever you 1v1 makes me think you don't really PvP at all. Or choose your opponents very stupidly - I've never had a 1v1 dishonoured. Can you honestly and truthfully say that every person you've ever arranged combat with has fulfilled every single facet of the original agreement completely and totally, and with zero hesitation? If so, it's true what they say about God protecting fools and children. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Amarria Black, you did not read and yet you could conclude I asked for lossless arena. If you had read the post, I am advocating an arena where losers would lose their ships. What is lossless about that? I read your posts when you originally posted them. I again read your posts when you specifically questioned my "lossless arena" post. From the structure of your first post, it appeared that you were advocating a non-combat team based competitive arena of some sort (race to the can?). I misunderstood. Again, I apologize. I believe we're all on the same page now.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.15 11:44:00 - [94] Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Cpt Branko Is anything in EvE for free? Have you noticed that the only non-player policed things are e-baying (banstick) and high-sec combat (concord). Everything else is preety much player policed atm, contract scams, corp theft and so on. CCP quite obviously wants player policing. All the trust-based systems in EvE are player policed - you rely on someone's reputation and so on (and possibility of retribution) to decide wether you'll enter a deal with someone or not. When did I ever mention a trust-based system? I want a mechanics-based system. The current trust-based system is insufficient for the task at hand. When you buy 10,000 trit off the market, do you have to worry that it won't be there when you go to pick it up? No. If you go run a mission, do you have to plan for the possibility that the Blood Raiders are sick of your shennanigans and decide to send triple the forces to get rid of you once and for all? Nope. Same concept here. A mechanical answer is inherently robust and therefore encourages participation. Look at player vs player interaction in EvE. A lot of it is trust-based mechanics. Scams of all sorts, contract scams, corp theft, etc, etc. Basically, right now dueling and betting exists and is trust-based. You advocate it being moved to a mechanic. I think that's a bad thing. By the way, you inadvertedly gave a good idea how to improve mission-running in EvE Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Cpt Branko The comments about a blob jumping in on you whenever you 1v1 makes me think you don't really PvP at all. Or choose your opponents very stupidly - I've never had a 1v1 dishonoured. Can you honestly and truthfully say that every person you've ever arranged combat with has fulfilled every single facet of the original agreement completely and totally, and with zero hesitation? If so, it's true what they say about God protecting fools and children. I've never had a 1v1 I've agreed on dishonoured. Of course, I never do set a gazillion of details and rules (or any, in fact). I've had jerks try to bait me to '1v1' and give me the location of their POS, but, you get to know who's baiting and who will keep their word and act accordingly, so, no, I've never had a blob warp in on me. The insult wasn't necessary. The fact some people are smarter then you shouldn't drive you to insult them.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.15 11:52:00 - [95] Your apologies are accepted, Amarria Black. This time. :) --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:04:00 - [96] Arena combat should be EVE streetfighter II style. Fear my Hadoken slow+fast combo Call to arms!!!
Khes	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:23:00 - [97] Edited by: Khes on 15/10/2007 12:24:08 I know you answered some one else here but Im commenting your replys anyway =) Originally by: Amarria Black Can you honestly and truthfully say that every person you've ever arranged combat with has fulfilled every single facet of the original agreement completely and totally. Thats the thing. You want those rules garanteed by the game, but that is not what Eve is about, AT ALL, and should not be, in my opinion. Eve is an open sandbox game. That does not mean that all players have to be bad. The goal is to give the players as much freedom as possible, not the oposite as you suggest. You want a game that restricts players freedome in game. That is not Eve.
Selbstopfer Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:04:00 - [98] Don't think this is a good idea, personally.
Thrust SSC	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:25:00 - [99] No. This completely ruins the immersion in the game, and low-sec would become completely desolate as opposed to the few people that reside in there now. Back to WoW please.
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:34:00 - [100] Why do we need an arena when every single area in EVE pvp is possible? Unless maybe they televised it on all the concord billboards or something and you could actually retain titles maybe doable if they ever do the medals thing. Maybe do an intergalactic gambling thing where players could bet thier fortunes on people. Ofcourse this would only be possible in one place in eve, Jita. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!

Lady Trade	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:55:00 - [101] This idea was posted soooo many times before.... Arenas are for WoW, PvP is for EVE. If you want a 1 VS 1 then you can convo and meet up somewhere and do your 1 VS 1 there. The only effect this would have, is that even less people would actually fight in 0.0 I'm against this idea. The only thing that has to be done is to fix lag - then we don't need (or want) instanced battlefields. (And lag is the only argument for battlefields since you can already today have your 1 VS 1.)
Steel Tigeress Gallente Ravenous Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:20:00 - [102] Originally by: Khes Thats the thing. You want those rules garanteed by the game, but that is not what Eve is about, AT ALL, and should not be, in my opinion. Eve is an open sandbox game. That does not mean that all players have to be bad. The goal is to give the players as much freedom as possible, not the oposite as you suggest. You want a game that restricts players freedome in game. That is not Eve. I belive that Eve is all about giving the players the posibility to think out side the box. As I understand it you want a game that stays in the box and a very small box. I love it.. "Eve is a sandbox...blah blah blah." "No you cant play in the sandbox like that, that totally ruins the sandbox!L!L101" If you REALLY think EVE is a sandbox, then arena's should be implemented, as it would add more options, more things to do in the sandbox. What you are saying is "EvE is my sandbox, you can use shovels and pails, but keep your Tonka trucks out."
Khes	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:04:00 - [103] Edited by: Khes on 15/10/2007 16:05:05 Originally by: Steel Tigeress Originally by: Khes Thats the thing. You want those rules garanteed by the game, but that is not what Eve is about, AT ALL, and should not be, in my opinion. Eve is an open sandbox game. That does not mean that all players have to be bad. The goal is to give the players as much freedom as possible, not the oposite as you suggest. You want a game that restricts players freedome in game. That is not Eve. I belive that Eve is all about giving the players the posibility to think out side the box. As I understand it you want a game that stays in the box and a very small box. I love it.. "Eve is a sandbox...blah blah blah." "No you cant play in the sandbox like that, that totally ruins the sandbox!L!L101" If you REALLY think EVE is a sandbox, then arena's should be implemented, as it would add more options, more things to do in the sandbox. What you are saying is "EvE is my sandbox, you can use shovels and pails, but keep your Tonka trucks out." I hear you and get your point. I see it like this: the Tonka truck is not just a another toy that I don't want in the sandbox, it is a package of rules stating how you may use the toys we have. Do you see the difference? It is not an addition to the toy-collection it just another grownup telling you how to play with them.


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