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LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.14 08:01:00 - [61] Fixed my post. I actually tried to search the forum initially for that sign. But i couldnt find it. Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:12:00 - [62] Same IP addresses... and it seems that Starscam and Fiona there both learned English from cat pictures on icanhascheezburger.com/ Anyway...
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:25:00 - [63] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Same IP addresses... and it seems that Starscam and Fiona there both learned English from cat pictures on icanhascheezburger.com/ Anyway... This post wins Market discussion forum today. Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.14 12:38:00 - [64] Originally by: LaVista Vista This post wins Market discussion forum today. And so early in the day too! Yay me!
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 13:13:00 - [65] The ip address thing is not true at all, there has been a mistake. cuse someone has mixed up the addresses and are now hurting our corp. you might think its funny to troll around. but your hurting our corp, atlest give it a Chance, we allready have some invenstors, and you could atlest show some respect for them. after 3 months all of the scam sayers will be proven wrong.if you dont like the plan pls state what you dont like, but going on about Me as a person, and attacking me, for small spelling and gramatical errors is just low.
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.14 13:41:00 - [66] I feel sorry for whoever was scammed on this IPO Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Meleil	Posted - 2007.10.14 13:51:00 - [67] Originally by: LaVista Vista I feel sorry for whoever was scammed on this IPO Amen
PuJu Orange Box Empire Research	Posted - 2007.10.14 14:21:00 - [68] Just my two cents here, im looking to invest some ISK and this thread doesnt inspire any confidence at all. Im in-experienced and have set aside some ISK that im fully prepared to loose incase I choose wrong. However there would be no way even with my limited experience that I would consider putting ISK into this. From what I can gather this is a scam from somebodys alt that cant even spell correctly which is not great for communications. And the second thing I gather is that this is based on the new Tech II battlships? For which we have no confirmed matieral costs and/or invention costs? (SiSi stats are not final?) So how can you accurately make an IPO for it?
SitAtJita	Posted - 2007.10.14 15:07:00 - [69] Edited by: SitAtJita on 14/10/2007 15:08:06 Originally by: Miss Fiona If you would have read our plan,you would have seen it said 75% there. It was different on the first offering you made, and you had to change it because it was confusing. That's not a bad thing. Correcting your mistakes is a good thing. But please don't say that your plan has always had the same return. Originally by: Miss Fiona the battleships are needed both for invention and building of the new tech 2 battelships. and the corp is running low on founds from stocking other material. That's nice, and you're right. However, the timing was just hilarious. Also, please learn to spell "teir". Originally by: Miss Fiona Im allso a trader, so buying ore is something i do to make isk, wich we need alot of now. i cant seem to find anything strange with this. Again, your timing was just golden. Really, I know that these are all just circumstancial evidences, but, really, you sounded like a noob that had just entered the BS production market for the first time. Now, you actually sort of sound like a legit player that happens to have really bad social skills. I would still never invest on you because of your silly overractions when you got told that you had your IP logged. Maybe someone can actually make bussiness with you, and you are not trying to scam and you make billions for someone who decides to trust you. Oh, yes, and the sky is falling tomorrow. No, really, I swear. I mean, come on, you are General StarScream, and this is a Ponzi Scam. Either that, or it turns out that General Starscream actually wants to go legit and is using this alt to raise a legit bussiness, in which case I'm going to go to a corner to hit my head on a wall to try to assimilate this idea Nah, imposible, no way, can't happen. You know what, I'll call it a , and watch to see what happens.
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 15:21:00 - [70] First of your quote is only my answer to a question. What it was meaning whas that in this plan it had allways been 75% this is a new plan, for investment option and return structure. It has nothing to do with the old one, in terms of Payout. the new ship are not teir 2, they are tech 2. I am a legit player, but me and my corp get trolled like theres nothing else going on. and its not even about the plan, this is making me upset, they just troll sensless crap. I am not GeneralStarscam, this is a Legit bussiness we are trying to form, and we need some capital.
Genbukan Best Buy INC	Posted - 2007.10.14 15:44:00 - [71] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Same IP addresses... and it seems that Starscam and Fiona there both learned English from cat pictures on icanhascheezburger.com/ Anyway... This post wins Market discussion forum today. I agree this is a winner. You speak of hurting your corp and this is only from your own actions.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.14 15:45:00 - [72] Originally by: Miss Fiona this is a Legit bussiness we are trying to form, and we need some capital. I asked you a ton of legitimate questions in the first post you placed. If you can answer those to my satisfaction I will consider investing in you. My questions were asked before the starscream link was in place, and my only evaluation at the time was on your business plan. Failure to answer those questions coherently, with proper quoting, and in a manner to which I feel suitable for a person requesting more public isk than 50% of the public companies already in existence, then your chance of success goes to zero. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
SitAtJita	Posted - 2007.10.14 15:50:00 - [73] Originally by: Miss Fiona I am a legit player, but me and my corp get trolled like theres nothing else going on. Correction: this is the best thing going on right now Originally by: Miss Fiona and its not even about the plan, this is making me upset, they just troll sensless crap. I am not GeneralStarscam, At this point, I doubt that anybody cares any more. Originally by: Miss Fiona this is a Legit bussiness we are trying to form, and we need some capital. Even if it was legit, you don't look experienced enough to actually bring it successfully to completion. And your communication skills towards possible investors are simply bad. So, stop trying to salvage your reputation, you already ruined it. Just try to make your plan with what you already have. And there are other ways, like, or example, make predictions about how the tw BS invention will be, and about the invention prices. If you are right on target on your predictions, investors will fight each other for bathing you on isks. You have no past history, and then we have this bussines with general starscream. Come on, you are for lots of isks and you are not delivering a reputation proportional to the amount you are asking for. Here, I will invest 1mill isk on you, since this is all that your actual reputation allows.
Daeva Vios Ardent Adversary Anvil.	Posted - 2007.10.14 15:57:00 - [74] This needs to end. Disregarding all info tying you to Starscream, your "offering" is terrible. You've got nothing on which to base any kind of figures except test server figures which are ALWAYS subject to change. Your projected returns are outrageous for the time period of the bond offering. You refuse to allow an auditor, you refuse an offer of oversight, you refuse to provide any sort of security. You offer no payment schedule. You want to be given the money, have your creditors shut up for three months, and then you'll pay back 175% of the loan? Absurd. I would expect more research to be put into a scam attempt. You didn't even try. This is pathetic and you need to stop now. You're an embarassment.
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.14 16:50:00 - [75] Originally by: Daeva Vios This needs to end. Disregarding all info tying you to Starscream, your "offering" is terrible. You've got nothing on which to base any kind of figures except test server figures which are ALWAYS subject to change. Your projected returns are outrageous for the time period of the bond offering. You refuse to allow an auditor, you refuse an offer of oversight, you refuse to provide any sort of security. You offer no payment schedule. You want to be given the money, have your creditors shut up for three months, and then you'll pay back 175% of the loan? Absurd. I would expect more research to be put into a scam attempt. You didn't even try. This is pathetic and you need to stop now. You're an embarassment. Q.F.T. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 17:09:00 - [76] Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Miss Fiona this is a Legit bussiness we are trying to form, and we need some capital. I asked you a ton of legitimate questions in the first post you placed. If you can answer those to my satisfaction I will consider investing in you. My questions were asked before the starscream link was in place, and my only evaluation at the time was on your business plan. Failure to answer those questions coherently, with proper quoting, and in a manner to which I feel suitable for a person requesting more public isk than 50% of the public companies already in existence, then your chance of success goes to zero. Have you factored in: 1* Competition. There will be huge amounts of competition, with hundreds of like minded individuals doing the same as you once Rev3 hits. Those high profit margins will be reduced extremely quickly in my opinion, precisely like what happened to the Rorqual. (1) this is quite true, and this is just why we want to raise alot of capital, to hit the market first so our corp makes a good profit at the start, and beeing able to hold a line of production. 2* Increased cost of datacores. Whilst you may have bought cheap, Shadarle will argue black and blue that you need to consider the market cost of them when determining profit margins (I agree with him) (2) Since we make those our self, allso have some stocked, this will make our building cost lower, than those whom start after the patch hit, sell orders in jita dont give a correct price. the data core is worth more used for invention than a trade item. 3* Success rates. Invention has a win/lose chance associated. How are you planning to have win supplement the los? (3) We have factored in Success rates at a 1/3 the loss will be added to price of the ship. at the 1/3 rate, even tho we success everytime, it will still be 1/3 added to the price of the ship. if it takes 3 tryes to make a bpc of 5 runs, 53=15, and that price for all 3 tryes is factored into the tottal sell price of the ship. 4 Skills. Do you have sufficient skills to invent the t2 battleships? Do you have sufficient skills to produce the t2 battleships? Will you have sufficient skills to fly the t2 battleships to your sales location (4) yes lvl5 gallente and caldri starship should be done befor the 28. no the ships will be sold on site where we build em, Planned to be close to jita. 5* Structure. Do you plan on researching the bpo's before inventing? Do you plan on using a POS for faster copy/invent/build abilities? If so have you factored in POS fuel costs/ risk of war/ standings requirements? (5) both buying bpc and copying those we have. Working on setting up a large pos in empire, close to jita. we have not factored in pos fuel cost, this will the corps own profits cover. if we should get wardecs plans are in place to make it both boring and low profit for anyone that attacks. the standing for putting up a large pos will be done with help of a second party, witch will make a corp set up pos, and give controll of the pos over to our corp. 6* Security. Do you trust your corpmates? Will they have access to the POS? Will they have access to the BPO's? The BPC's? The finished product? Will your bpo's be locked down? Why haven't any of your corpmates posted in here? Do they know of your plans? (6) yes there is 100% in the corp members, as they stand to gain a nice profit for there work, theres allso a strict security plan that runs as a guide for the corp. none of my corp mates are allowed to talk, post about thees plans, due to security,anyone doing so will be kicked out, and all assets wich they may have in the corp will be taken. everyone knows about the plan, and are working hard with the logistc. 7* Investor security. Do/How do you plan to secure your business or inject investor confidence? What makes your business better than any other prospective invention IPO? Do you consider it fair to sell your shares before completing your business plan? Why should we trust you? What notable things have you done in Eve? Have any of your corpmates been playing a while and maybe have a bit of reputation they can add to the venture? (7) None of us has prior exp of running a Bond so we are fresh on this, and those hope our good plan and honest ways will prove that we can be trusted. the business plan is not better than anyother invention based corp, as it runs with the same guide lines. but our investment plan(bonds) are better since we wont have to pay out % each month of capital .This is better used to reinvest into the corp, so the corp profit will be high as well as payout to bond holders.
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 17:13:00 - [77] Originally by: Daeva Vios This needs to end. Disregarding all info tying you to Starscream, your "offering" is terrible. You've got nothing on which to base any kind of figures except test server figures which are ALWAYS subject to change. Your projected returns are outrageous for the time period of the bond offering. You refuse to allow an auditor, you refuse an offer of oversight, you refuse to provide any sort of security. You offer no payment schedule. You want to be given the money, have your creditors shut up for three months, and then you'll pay back 175% of the loan? Absurd. I would expect more research to be put into a scam attempt. You didn't even try. This is pathetic and you need to stop now. You're an embarassment. This is quite false, first of thats not my name. we have never stated that we wont allow auditors, oversight or security the 75% profit is not absurd, if you had done some reserch into the market, you would see that this is quite low. well this is not a scam attempt, and research has been made into the model of profit, and the return, we are 100% sure we will be able to turn out a 75% in 3 months.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.14 17:29:00 - [78] Thanks for the answers. Now, you keep advising "we" in your responses, in which I understand you are referring to your corporation. Can you have them post here to advise they are also included in the project please. Because saying "we" all the time and only ever having one person speak almost feels like you are trying to promote security as funds are split over multiple people's heads, and yet none have posted. Hope you understand what I am saying. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.14 17:33:00 - [79] Originally by: Miss Fiona we have never stated that we wont allow auditors, oversight or security You denied that i could oversee the operation. So your lying. Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2007.10.14 17:43:00 - [80] I'm just impressed that fiona's very broken english has been miraculously fixed. It's A GIRL!!!!!
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.14 17:55:00 - [81] Originally by: Shar Tegral I'm just impressed that fiona's very broken english has been miraculously fixed. Yes but all the replies are oddly broken up for no rhyme or reason. Makes my eyes bleed every time I read one of "her" responses. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 17:56:00 - [82] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Miss Fiona we have never stated that we wont allow auditors, oversight or security You denied that i could oversee the operation. So your lying. lol no Lavista thats not lying, so if i say no to you, does that mean i will say no to everyone else?
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.14 17:59:00 - [83] Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Miss Fiona we have never stated that we wont allow auditors, oversight or security You denied that i could oversee the operation. So your lying. lol no Lavista thats not lying, so if i say no to you, does that mean i will say no to everyone else? name one member of this community you would be willing to let oversee and audit your operation. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:01:00 - [84] Originally by: Dr Slurm Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Miss Fiona we have never stated that we wont allow auditors, oversight or security You denied that i could oversee the operation. So your lying. lol no Lavista thats not lying, so if i say no to you, does that mean i will say no to everyone else? name one member of this community you would be willing to let oversee and audit your operation. General Starscream comes to mind Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:06:00 - [85] Chribba could be trusted, as he do have a very good record of beeing a middel man in the past.
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:10:00 - [86] Originally by: Miss Fiona Chribba could be trusted, as he do have a very good record of beeing a middel man in the past. Well not really a part of this community, but good enough. How about someone actually willing to do it? <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:34:00 - [87] he has not been online at the same time as me. so i havent been able to talk with him.
McRuder Gallente Magnets and Duct Tape	Posted - 2007.10.14 21:35:00 - [88] No. Bad plan.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.10.15 04:22:00 - [89] Originally by: Miss Fiona he has not been online at the same time as me. so i havent been able to talk with him. I have sent you an evemail with my email address. Send me you business plan and supporting documents so that I can review them. Even if you do not see me online, please send the business plan. I will not disclose the specifics to anyone, and I will give you a chance to answer questions and address concerns before I post my review of the plan. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.15 04:24:00 - [90] Originally by: Ricdic Thanks for the answers. Now, you keep advising "we" in your responses, in which I understand you are referring to your corporation. Can you have them post here to advise they are also included in the project please. Because saying "we" all the time and only ever having one person speak almost feels like you are trying to promote security as funds are split over multiple people's heads, and yet none have posted. Hope you understand what I am saying. Quoting myself as it seems you missed it Need Empire Research Slots. Click here

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