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Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.13 16:25:00 - [1] NTG Bond Plan ò Chapter 1 - What kind of business ò Chapter 2 - Coporate Governance ò Chapter 3 - The Business Plan ò Chapter 4 - Full Disclosure of Risks ò Chapter 5 - Exit Strategyò Chapter 6 - Bond Phases, Dividends, Market Cap ò Chapter 7 - FAQ ò Chapter 1 - What kind of business To invent and build tech 2 battelships/Selling tech 2 battelship bpc. ò Chapter 2 - Coporate Governance I am the Ceo with help from 2 directors, which run the basic of the corp. The 2 Directors do not have full rights.Corp is ran with strict rules, and a heavy policie for making a profit. Me as Ceo is in charge of everything that are major in anyway.Corp is ran as a Dictatorship/Democratic style.I decide what will happen, the corp votes on it, and i then make the final call based on the votes. ò Chapter 3 - The Business Plan The Business Plan is to make Tech 2 battleship while inventing the bpc our self,while selling of the eccses bpc that we know will make a poorer return than others.Our main goal will be to produce Marauders, for all races, building most of Caldri ,Gallente ,Amarr,Minmatar,in that order.Our own miners ensure us with a basic mineral deposit,while we have buy orders bringing in more ore,modules from out skirts of the empire
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.13 16:26:00 - [2] Reserved
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.13 16:26:00 - [3] Reserved
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.13 16:27:00 - [4] Reserved
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.13 16:42:00 - [5] Hi General Starscam. Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
thetwilitehour Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.13 16:45:00 - [6] The spelling errors and grammar problems are disturbing at best. Sure you may be a non native English speaker, but you can still use a word processor.
Ionia Advanced Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.10.13 17:45:00 - [7] This is utterly rediculous.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.13 17:56:00 - [8] Man I want to stab something so bad right now. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.13 17:58:00 - [9] Fiona, are you related to Starscream? Or do you both use the same internet cafe? Or did you buy the Fiona character off Starscream? Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.13 18:01:00 - [10] This must just be a joke. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.13 18:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Shadarle This must just be a joke. If he discloses shareholder names you will invest though correct? Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2007.10.13 18:39:00 - [12] Anyone thinking of investing should read the original ipo proposal. It will explain all the pertinent details regarding this scam. It's A GIRL!!!!!
Hanoi Hana Mitsubishi Group	Posted - 2007.10.13 18:50:00 - [13] Originally by: Miss Fiona In this example an investment of 10,000000 has been made. The Early Bird Bonus has not been included in this example.WHAT INCOME WILL BE PAID?No income will be paid during the term.WHAT WILL YOU GET BACK ON 15 January 2008? You are guaranteed to get back your initial investment plus the income roll-up amount.This gives a total of 17,500000 Why are you shouting at me? :(
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.13 19:18:00 - [14] Edited by: LaVista Vista on 13/10/2007 19:19:07 Originally by: Miss Fiona I am the Ceo with help from 2 directors, which run the basic of the corp. The 2 Directors do not have full rights. Either directors have the same rights as CEO, but they just cant kick the CEO. So how does this work? Originally by: Miss Fiona Our main goal will be to produce Marauders, for all races, building most of Caldri ,Gallente ,Amarr,Minmatar,in that order.Our own miners ensure us with a basic mineral deposit,while we have buy orders bringing in more ore,modules from out skirts of the empires,those giving us a cheap base of building costs.Invention is done by us making out own bpc,while buying extra datacores which we cant cover out self. Why just Maraduers? You are asking for ALOT of isk, which should be able to cover all T2 battleships, not just marauders. Mining yourself doesnt make it cheap. Originally by: Miss Fiona The risks are minimal, since we buy most of the minerals and datacores under jita buy prices, so they could be turned back into isk, if the plan fails.without mutch loss to the capital. Now you say that you buy minerals? Originally by: Miss Fiona Monthly income options are not available for this tranche. 1. The net rate is the amount that will be paid to you, or credited to your bond. 3 month Bond - net rate 75% 2 term NOT AVAILABLE How do you know how much you will make? You cant, only speculation have been made on this area. CCP could make a 1% chance of you inventing it. Originally by: Miss Fiona You can apply for the Guaranteed Income Bond during the offer period, as detailed below, unless the offer is fully subscribed before the end of this period. Event Date Start of Offer Period 13 October 2007 End of Offer Period 10 November 2007 Income Start Date* 15 November 2007 Maturity Date 15 January 2008 income accrues from this date * Early Bird Bonus Your original investment will be increased by a bonus if your payment is received by NTG during the offer period shown below:For example, if we receive an application payment of 10,000000 on 15 October, the investment will be increased by 130000 (ie 1.3% of 10,000000 ). Payment Received Bonus 13 October to 25 October inclusive 1.3% 25 October to 1 November inclusive 0.7% 1 November to 6 November inclusive 0.3% Early bird offers? Thats the worst idea ever. Also the fact that you stated totally wrong dates, bad spelling, crap formatting, you dont know simple mechanics of eve and the internet, you cant talk for yourself without trolling, you cant explain anything which i ask you about. Curzon dax claims to proof based that starscam and fiona is the same, based on logs from poker server. Forum patterns proves it even better. Even if this is not a scam, a bad plan is just as dangerous as a scammer(Thanks to Hexxx for that quote) Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.13 19:55:00 - [15] Edited by: Miss Fiona on 13/10/2007 19:55:58 Well they have limited roles, i chose to call them directors. Becuse Maraduers have the least skill needed to use, and those more people will be able to buy them.Corp mining help the overall profit.Never stated we don't buy minerals,but in addition to mining we do buy minerals, if the price is right.only speculation? maybe but we have done alot of research on the matter, so its a good speculation.Early bird offers are to try and get people to invest faster, so we can start using the isk as soon as possible.How are the dates wrong? Don't see how you would say such a thing.The dates has nothing to do with when rev3 comes out.The plan is quite good.its well worked out, and it will work and make a good profit for out corp and investors.
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.13 19:57:00 - [16] Originally by: Miss Fiona Edited by: Miss Fiona on 13/10/2007 19:55:58 Well they have limited roles, i chose to call them directors. Becuse Maraduers have the least skill needed to use, and those more people will be able to buy them.Corp mining help the overall profit.Never stated we don't buy minerals,but in addition to mining we do buy minerals, if the price is right.only speculation? maybe but we have done alot of research on the matter, so its a good speculation.Early bird offers are to try and get people to invest faster, so we can start using the isk as soon as possible.How are the dates wrong? Don't see how you would say such a thing.The dates has nothing to do with when rev3 comes out.The plan is quite good.its well worked out, and it will work and make a good profit for out corp and investors. Wall of text The plan sux, and you arent making sense. If i do try to make sense of it, what you try to say doesnt hold truth. Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.13 20:01:00 - [17] Could you point out why the plan sucks insted of just stating it?
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.13 20:04:00 - [18] Originally by: Miss Fiona Could you point out why the plan sucks insted of just stating it? Cant be bothered, because you didnt prove my points wrong. Im done here, waste of my time. Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.13 20:06:00 - [19] Are you or are you not Starscream? Answer this or you will not get a single investor. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.13 20:08:00 - [20] Originally by: Shadarle Are you or are you not Starscream? Answer this or you will not get a single investor. In fact, confirming that you are starscam will make us believe in you more than saying no, which is kinda a paradox, but its really the case Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.13 20:53:00 - [21] No i am not.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.13 21:06:00 - [22] You just have the same IP he does eh? Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.13 21:11:00 - [23] Ehh ok, first of all i havent given out my ip to anyone. so would be very hard to compare the ips, dont you think? could you state where you have this info from?
Meleil	Posted - 2007.10.13 21:12:00 - [24] Edited by: Meleil on 13/10/2007 21:12:48 Right now if ccp wanted they could get your IP just from you browsing their website. Now how the hell do you think we got your IP? Oh right you've played Eve Poker and so has Starscream! Oh noez what a coincidence! Now stop playing dumb. ~Mel
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.13 21:20:00 - [25] Originally by: Meleil Edited by: Meleil on 13/10/2007 21:12:48 Right now if ccp wanted they could get your IP just from you browsing their website. Now how the hell do you think we got your IP? Oh right you've played Eve Poker and so has Starscream! Oh noez what a coincidence! Now stop playing dumb. ~Mel okey i played one time about a month ago, and your telling me that someone has saved my ip.compared it to this starcream, and those thinking its the same ip? seems kinda strange to me.But i have no alt called starscream, so this fail,i have answerd this meny times now.pls be on topic about the post, and stay with fourm rules pls.
Zephite Warrior Nation United SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.13 21:27:00 - [26] Edited by: Zephite on 13/10/2007 21:27:38 If you could stand up to public scrutiny without reverting to badly formatted replies and angry posts. You'd look a lot more trustworthy.
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.13 21:28:00 - [27] Edited by: Miss Fiona on 13/10/2007 21:29:21 Originally by: Zephite Edited by: Zephite on 13/10/2007 21:27:38 If you could stand up to public scrutiny without reverting to badly formatted replies and angry posts. You'd look a lot more trustworthy. ?? how is my post angry im just answering what your asking me. people could just read what i have written, insted of keep asking the same thing over and over.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.13 21:37:00 - [28] It's kind of hard to deny that you have the same IP as someone else when they have both on record. The only way it could happen is if you live in the local area and have the same ISP. Considering he is an attempted IPO scammer and you are now posting a very iffy at best IPO it strains credulity that you are not the same person. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2007.10.13 21:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Miss Fiona people could just read what i have written, insted of keep asking the same thing over and over. People ask the same questions because in all the stuff you've written... you don't answer the questions. For instance: - Why have you and General Starscream had the same ip on past occasions? - Why is there so many similarities, such as creation data and employment history, between yourself and some of his alts? - Why did you claim that your stock was brokered on ESGEX when it is not? These are interesting and important questions that you simply do not answer. Failure to continue to do so will only encourage people to continue asking them. Either you are going to answer them or not. Just say so one way or the other. Dodging them and acting like you are confused is not working. It's A GIRL!!!!!
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2007.10.13 21:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Miss Fiona i never stated it was brokerd on ESGEX i said we where listed. Brokered, listed, not much diffence. Why the lie though? It's A GIRL!!!!!
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.13 21:59:00 - [31] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Miss Fiona i never stated it was brokerd on ESGEX i said we where listed. Brokered, listed, not much diffence. Why the lie though? there is no Lie, i listed it on the ESGEX.
Mehixa	Posted - 2007.10.13 22:01:00 - [32] Anyone who invests in this will soon know the meaning of the phrase, ôA fool and his money are soon parted.ö One last thing. Deleting your original IPO post is bad form. It shows you're trying to sweep your past mistakes under the carpet....this is NOT full transparency.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.13 22:03:00 - [33] Originally by: Miss Fiona i dont know why some people think i have the same ip as someone else. Because they have logs to show it! They don't "think" they know. The question is why you think you can get away with denying it. Or at least giving some sort of explanation. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.13 22:04:00 - [34] Originally by: Mehixa Anyone who invests in this will soon know the meaning of the phrase, ôA fool and his money are soon parted.ö One last thing. Deleting your original IPO post is bad form. It shows you're trying to sweep your past mistakes under the carpet....this is NOT full transparency. I was told i should delete it,to stop anyone thinking we where doing a dual share and bond option. i think with time we will prove everyone wrong.
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.13 22:08:00 - [35] Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Miss Fiona i dont know why some people think i have the same ip as someone else. Because they have logs to show it! They don't "think" they know. The question is why you think you can get away with denying it. Or at least giving some sort of explanation. who know they have no proof, its just lies all of it. all i could think of is that we might have the same ip provider or something.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.13 22:11:00 - [36] Edited by: Hexxx on 13/10/2007 22:13:41 Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: Mehixa Anyone who invests in this will soon know the meaning of the phrase, ôA fool and his money are soon parted.ö One last thing. Deleting your original IPO post is bad form. It shows you're trying to sweep your past mistakes under the carpet....this is NOT full transparency. I was told i should delete it,to stop anyone thinking we where doing a dual share and bond option. i think with time we will prove everyone wrong. Who exactly told you that? Why didn't you add a disclaimer in bold to state it's shutting down? I've been on the markets for 2 years now. Using my "experience" here I think I'll be proven right, and in 6 months, you won't be around for me to even say "I told you so." Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
SitAtJita	Posted - 2007.10.13 22:21:00 - [37] Lol, still going at in on ships trade channels. Miss Fiona > NTG Have Relased a bond for investors, 75% back + your original investment, Secrure and safe plan, are in place, And now the return has become 75%. It's magic! I mean, miss fiona, do you even know what a t2 bs is? Judging from what you say, you don't: Miss Fiona > buying all teir 2 bs at 80m Miss Fiona > they need to be deliverd close to jita
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.13 22:35:00 - [38] Wow, this just gets better and better. Would someone like to put my stamp some where on the first page, LaVista? <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:26:00 - [39] If you would have read our plan,you would have seen it said 75% there. the battleships are needed both for invention and building of the new tech 2 battelships. and the corp is running low on founds from stocking other material. Im allso a trader, so buying ore is something i do to make isk, wich we need alot of now. i cant seem to find anything strange with this.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:42:00 - [40] Originally by: Miss Fiona If you would have read our plan,you would have seen it said 75% there. the battleships are needed both for invention and building of the new tech 2 battelships. and the corp is running low on founds from stocking other material. Im allso a trader, so buying ore is something i do to make isk, wich we need alot of now. i cant seem to find anything strange with this. In the original IPO that you released (remember, the one you deleted?) the return was much higher. Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
Letias Caldari Teikoku Trade Conglomerate Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:43:00 - [41] Edited by: Letias on 13/10/2007 23:46:08 I have some questions. Who edited your OP in this thread to make it a little easier to read than the last one? Can you get them to proof read all your replies? Where has my 115% return gone, should I have invested earlier to get better return? Can I invest early bird on the old offering to get 30% bonus on investment with 115% return plus my invesment? How can you guarantee the return, is someone holding assets to the tune of wait... - How much money are you trying to raise anyway? Originally by: Miss Fiona You can apply for the Guaranteed Income Bond during the offer period, as detailed below, unless the offer is fully subscribed before the end of this period. If you are guaranteeing a 75% return and have no finite limit on funds you aim to raise how can you guarantee it? Originally by: Miss Fiona The risks are minimal, since we buy most of the minerals and datacores under jita buy prices, so they could be turned back into isk, if the plan fails.without mutch loss to the capital. But you are GUARANTEEING 75% rate of return. Maybe change it to expected return of 75% if things go well if not we can get most of your capital back? Why should the investor pay out if your plan fails when your corp stands to gain ridiculous amounts if it succeeds?
Letias Caldari Teikoku Trade Conglomerate Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:44:00 - [42] I can prolly come up with more but if you somehow answer all of those i'll list more :)
Genbukan Best Buy INC	Posted - 2007.10.14 00:13:00 - [43] A second attempt so soon?
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 00:14:00 - [44] yes Hexxx but that where for 6 month time. wich the return where 125% but this is only for 3 months and those alot lower.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.14 00:21:00 - [45] Originally by: Miss Fiona yes Hexxx but that where for 6 month time. wich the return where 125% but this is only for 3 months and those alot lower. I wouldn't know. You deleted your original post, remember? Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 00:23:00 - [46] Edited by: Miss Fiona on 14/10/2007 00:24:39 I Edited This To Fix Some Minor Mistakes, And I Pressed Post Reply While I Where Checking In Preview. Not Sure What You Mean With This. The 115% Was With The Old Plan, Of Shares, With The Buyback Of 90% Of The Cost Of The Shares After 6 Months. Now Since This Is A Bond, Its Fixed To A 3 Month Investment Which Return A Profit Of 75% Early Bird Is Just For This Bond. So No. I Cant Guarantee A Return Other Than My Word, That At Worst If All Fails, You Get Your Isk Back. Perfectly We Would Like To Raise 30billion Isk, But Anything More Than What We Have Now, Is Great. Even How We Hope To Get Over 30b I Don't Think It Will Happen, But We Are Able To Handel 60-90 Biillon In Total, And Build From That Amount. No Its Guaranteed All Investors Will Make 75% On There Investment And Of curse Any Investment Payed Back. Investing Is A Risk, Our Plan Will Not Fail, We Are Committed To Make It Work. And It Will. That Is Right The Corp Will Make Alot More Than The 75% But Theres Alot Of People To Pay Rewards To For There Hard Work.
Letias Caldari Teikoku Trade Conglomerate Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2007.10.14 00:26:00 - [47] Originally by: Miss Fiona Edited by: Miss Fiona on 14/10/2007 00:24:39 I Cant Guarantee A Return Other Than My Word, That At Worst If All Fails, You Get Your Isk Back. No Its Guaranteed All Investors Will Make 75% On There Investment And Of curse Any Investment Payed Back.
Letias Caldari Teikoku Trade Conglomerate Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2007.10.14 00:28:00 - [48] I'll leave this up to the old timers to rip apart the Posting With Caps At The Start Of Every Word Actually hurts my head
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 00:32:00 - [49] Edited by: Miss Fiona on 14/10/2007 00:32:52 I have reposted the first one,Seeing that it looked bad to deleted it.
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 00:37:00 - [50] Sorry about that Letias the spell checker does that some times.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.10.14 00:45:00 - [51] Miss Fiona, if you were to disclose a detailed plan of how exactly you plan to carry this out it would give you some credibility. You don't need to disclose it to the entire community, just one, or maybe two, trusted members of the community. If you can show to someone that you actually have a real business plan, then maybe you might have a hope at dodging the criticism leveled at your IPO/Bond. As it is, you have no credibility at all. Anyone who invests in this offer as it has been presented with any expectation of return has a severe intelligence deficiency. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 01:01:00 - [52] Originally by: Matalino Miss Fiona, if you were to disclose a detailed plan of how exactly you plan to carry this out it would give you some credibility. You don't need to disclose it to the entire community, just one, or maybe two, trusted members of the community. If you can show to someone that you actually have a real business plan, then maybe you might have a hope at dodging the criticism leveled at your IPO/Bond. As it is, you have no credibility at all. Anyone who invests in this offer as it has been presented with any expectation of return has a severe intelligence deficiency. yes ofcurse i would like this, i have tryed, but no one seems to have the time. im online alot, so im not a hard person to get a hold of.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.10.14 01:08:00 - [53] Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: Matalino Miss Fiona, if you were to disclose a detailed plan of how exactly you plan to carry this out it would give you some credibility. You don't need to disclose it to the entire community, just one, or maybe two, trusted members of the community. If you can show to someone that you actually have a real business plan, then maybe you might have a hope at dodging the criticism leveled at your IPO/Bond. As it is, you have no credibility at all. Anyone who invests in this offer as it has been presented with any expectation of return has a severe intelligence deficiency. yes ofcurse i would like this, i have tryed, but no one seems to have the time. im online alot, so im not a hard person to get a hold of. While I am not an expert in invention, I can give the plan a sufficent review to recommend it to someone with greater expertise who is most likely "too busy" because they simply don't think you even have a plan. If you trust me, I can send you my email address via evemail, and you can send me the full business plan along with the supporting numbers and calculations. Do you want me to give your plan an intial review? ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Investigador Caldari Hator inc The Omni Federation	Posted - 2007.10.14 02:23:00 - [54] Edited by: Investigador on 14/10/2007 02:26:04 Why don't you just recognize that you are General StarScream's alt? And if you have some problem like dyslexia that prevents you from typing correctly, you can tell us, you know....
Erasmos	Posted - 2007.10.14 02:42:00 - [55] I was gonna go see a movie but this is far more entertaining...
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 03:24:00 - [56] i am not i have allready stated this, pls stay on topic. thanks.
Daeva Vios Ardent Adversary Anvil.	Posted - 2007.10.14 04:54:00 - [57] These threads make me
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2007.10.14 06:08:00 - [58] Originally by: Dr Slurm Would someone like to put my scam stamp some where on the first page Done It's A GIRL!!!!!
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.14 06:11:00 - [59] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Dr Slurm Would someone like to put my scam stamp some where on the first page Done I'm not usually one to nit pick spelling, but I don't think Dr Slum does anything good for my image. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2007.10.14 06:39:00 - [60] Fixed It's A GIRL!!!!!
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.14 08:01:00 - [61] Fixed my post. I actually tried to search the forum initially for that sign. But i couldnt find it. Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:12:00 - [62] Same IP addresses... and it seems that Starscam and Fiona there both learned English from cat pictures on icanhascheezburger.com/ Anyway...
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.14 11:25:00 - [63] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Same IP addresses... and it seems that Starscam and Fiona there both learned English from cat pictures on icanhascheezburger.com/ Anyway... This post wins Market discussion forum today. Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.14 12:38:00 - [64] Originally by: LaVista Vista This post wins Market discussion forum today. And so early in the day too! Yay me!
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 13:13:00 - [65] The ip address thing is not true at all, there has been a mistake. cuse someone has mixed up the addresses and are now hurting our corp. you might think its funny to troll around. but your hurting our corp, atlest give it a Chance, we allready have some invenstors, and you could atlest show some respect for them. after 3 months all of the scam sayers will be proven wrong.if you dont like the plan pls state what you dont like, but going on about Me as a person, and attacking me, for small spelling and gramatical errors is just low.
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.14 13:41:00 - [66] I feel sorry for whoever was scammed on this IPO Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Meleil	Posted - 2007.10.14 13:51:00 - [67] Originally by: LaVista Vista I feel sorry for whoever was scammed on this IPO Amen
PuJu Orange Box Empire Research	Posted - 2007.10.14 14:21:00 - [68] Just my two cents here, im looking to invest some ISK and this thread doesnt inspire any confidence at all. Im in-experienced and have set aside some ISK that im fully prepared to loose incase I choose wrong. However there would be no way even with my limited experience that I would consider putting ISK into this. From what I can gather this is a scam from somebodys alt that cant even spell correctly which is not great for communications. And the second thing I gather is that this is based on the new Tech II battlships? For which we have no confirmed matieral costs and/or invention costs? (SiSi stats are not final?) So how can you accurately make an IPO for it?
SitAtJita	Posted - 2007.10.14 15:07:00 - [69] Edited by: SitAtJita on 14/10/2007 15:08:06 Originally by: Miss Fiona If you would have read our plan,you would have seen it said 75% there. It was different on the first offering you made, and you had to change it because it was confusing. That's not a bad thing. Correcting your mistakes is a good thing. But please don't say that your plan has always had the same return. Originally by: Miss Fiona the battleships are needed both for invention and building of the new tech 2 battelships. and the corp is running low on founds from stocking other material. That's nice, and you're right. However, the timing was just hilarious. Also, please learn to spell "teir". Originally by: Miss Fiona Im allso a trader, so buying ore is something i do to make isk, wich we need alot of now. i cant seem to find anything strange with this. Again, your timing was just golden. Really, I know that these are all just circumstancial evidences, but, really, you sounded like a noob that had just entered the BS production market for the first time. Now, you actually sort of sound like a legit player that happens to have really bad social skills. I would still never invest on you because of your silly overractions when you got told that you had your IP logged. Maybe someone can actually make bussiness with you, and you are not trying to scam and you make billions for someone who decides to trust you. Oh, yes, and the sky is falling tomorrow. No, really, I swear. I mean, come on, you are General StarScream, and this is a Ponzi Scam. Either that, or it turns out that General Starscream actually wants to go legit and is using this alt to raise a legit bussiness, in which case I'm going to go to a corner to hit my head on a wall to try to assimilate this idea Nah, imposible, no way, can't happen. You know what, I'll call it a , and watch to see what happens.
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 15:21:00 - [70] First of your quote is only my answer to a question. What it was meaning whas that in this plan it had allways been 75% this is a new plan, for investment option and return structure. It has nothing to do with the old one, in terms of Payout. the new ship are not teir 2, they are tech 2. I am a legit player, but me and my corp get trolled like theres nothing else going on. and its not even about the plan, this is making me upset, they just troll sensless crap. I am not GeneralStarscam, this is a Legit bussiness we are trying to form, and we need some capital.
Genbukan Best Buy INC	Posted - 2007.10.14 15:44:00 - [71] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Same IP addresses... and it seems that Starscam and Fiona there both learned English from cat pictures on icanhascheezburger.com/ Anyway... This post wins Market discussion forum today. I agree this is a winner. You speak of hurting your corp and this is only from your own actions.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.14 15:45:00 - [72] Originally by: Miss Fiona this is a Legit bussiness we are trying to form, and we need some capital. I asked you a ton of legitimate questions in the first post you placed. If you can answer those to my satisfaction I will consider investing in you. My questions were asked before the starscream link was in place, and my only evaluation at the time was on your business plan. Failure to answer those questions coherently, with proper quoting, and in a manner to which I feel suitable for a person requesting more public isk than 50% of the public companies already in existence, then your chance of success goes to zero. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
SitAtJita	Posted - 2007.10.14 15:50:00 - [73] Originally by: Miss Fiona I am a legit player, but me and my corp get trolled like theres nothing else going on. Correction: this is the best thing going on right now Originally by: Miss Fiona and its not even about the plan, this is making me upset, they just troll sensless crap. I am not GeneralStarscam, At this point, I doubt that anybody cares any more. Originally by: Miss Fiona this is a Legit bussiness we are trying to form, and we need some capital. Even if it was legit, you don't look experienced enough to actually bring it successfully to completion. And your communication skills towards possible investors are simply bad. So, stop trying to salvage your reputation, you already ruined it. Just try to make your plan with what you already have. And there are other ways, like, or example, make predictions about how the tw BS invention will be, and about the invention prices. If you are right on target on your predictions, investors will fight each other for bathing you on isks. You have no past history, and then we have this bussines with general starscream. Come on, you are for lots of isks and you are not delivering a reputation proportional to the amount you are asking for. Here, I will invest 1mill isk on you, since this is all that your actual reputation allows.
Daeva Vios Ardent Adversary Anvil.	Posted - 2007.10.14 15:57:00 - [74] This needs to end. Disregarding all info tying you to Starscream, your "offering" is terrible. You've got nothing on which to base any kind of figures except test server figures which are ALWAYS subject to change. Your projected returns are outrageous for the time period of the bond offering. You refuse to allow an auditor, you refuse an offer of oversight, you refuse to provide any sort of security. You offer no payment schedule. You want to be given the money, have your creditors shut up for three months, and then you'll pay back 175% of the loan? Absurd. I would expect more research to be put into a scam attempt. You didn't even try. This is pathetic and you need to stop now. You're an embarassment.
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.14 16:50:00 - [75] Originally by: Daeva Vios This needs to end. Disregarding all info tying you to Starscream, your "offering" is terrible. You've got nothing on which to base any kind of figures except test server figures which are ALWAYS subject to change. Your projected returns are outrageous for the time period of the bond offering. You refuse to allow an auditor, you refuse an offer of oversight, you refuse to provide any sort of security. You offer no payment schedule. You want to be given the money, have your creditors shut up for three months, and then you'll pay back 175% of the loan? Absurd. I would expect more research to be put into a scam attempt. You didn't even try. This is pathetic and you need to stop now. You're an embarassment. Q.F.T. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 17:09:00 - [76] Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Miss Fiona this is a Legit bussiness we are trying to form, and we need some capital. I asked you a ton of legitimate questions in the first post you placed. If you can answer those to my satisfaction I will consider investing in you. My questions were asked before the starscream link was in place, and my only evaluation at the time was on your business plan. Failure to answer those questions coherently, with proper quoting, and in a manner to which I feel suitable for a person requesting more public isk than 50% of the public companies already in existence, then your chance of success goes to zero. Have you factored in: 1* Competition. There will be huge amounts of competition, with hundreds of like minded individuals doing the same as you once Rev3 hits. Those high profit margins will be reduced extremely quickly in my opinion, precisely like what happened to the Rorqual. (1) this is quite true, and this is just why we want to raise alot of capital, to hit the market first so our corp makes a good profit at the start, and beeing able to hold a line of production. 2* Increased cost of datacores. Whilst you may have bought cheap, Shadarle will argue black and blue that you need to consider the market cost of them when determining profit margins (I agree with him) (2) Since we make those our self, allso have some stocked, this will make our building cost lower, than those whom start after the patch hit, sell orders in jita dont give a correct price. the data core is worth more used for invention than a trade item. 3* Success rates. Invention has a win/lose chance associated. How are you planning to have win supplement the los? (3) We have factored in Success rates at a 1/3 the loss will be added to price of the ship. at the 1/3 rate, even tho we success everytime, it will still be 1/3 added to the price of the ship. if it takes 3 tryes to make a bpc of 5 runs, 53=15, and that price for all 3 tryes is factored into the tottal sell price of the ship. 4 Skills. Do you have sufficient skills to invent the t2 battleships? Do you have sufficient skills to produce the t2 battleships? Will you have sufficient skills to fly the t2 battleships to your sales location (4) yes lvl5 gallente and caldri starship should be done befor the 28. no the ships will be sold on site where we build em, Planned to be close to jita. 5* Structure. Do you plan on researching the bpo's before inventing? Do you plan on using a POS for faster copy/invent/build abilities? If so have you factored in POS fuel costs/ risk of war/ standings requirements? (5) both buying bpc and copying those we have. Working on setting up a large pos in empire, close to jita. we have not factored in pos fuel cost, this will the corps own profits cover. if we should get wardecs plans are in place to make it both boring and low profit for anyone that attacks. the standing for putting up a large pos will be done with help of a second party, witch will make a corp set up pos, and give controll of the pos over to our corp. 6* Security. Do you trust your corpmates? Will they have access to the POS? Will they have access to the BPO's? The BPC's? The finished product? Will your bpo's be locked down? Why haven't any of your corpmates posted in here? Do they know of your plans? (6) yes there is 100% in the corp members, as they stand to gain a nice profit for there work, theres allso a strict security plan that runs as a guide for the corp. none of my corp mates are allowed to talk, post about thees plans, due to security,anyone doing so will be kicked out, and all assets wich they may have in the corp will be taken. everyone knows about the plan, and are working hard with the logistc. 7* Investor security. Do/How do you plan to secure your business or inject investor confidence? What makes your business better than any other prospective invention IPO? Do you consider it fair to sell your shares before completing your business plan? Why should we trust you? What notable things have you done in Eve? Have any of your corpmates been playing a while and maybe have a bit of reputation they can add to the venture? (7) None of us has prior exp of running a Bond so we are fresh on this, and those hope our good plan and honest ways will prove that we can be trusted. the business plan is not better than anyother invention based corp, as it runs with the same guide lines. but our investment plan(bonds) are better since we wont have to pay out % each month of capital .This is better used to reinvest into the corp, so the corp profit will be high as well as payout to bond holders.
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 17:13:00 - [77] Originally by: Daeva Vios This needs to end. Disregarding all info tying you to Starscream, your "offering" is terrible. You've got nothing on which to base any kind of figures except test server figures which are ALWAYS subject to change. Your projected returns are outrageous for the time period of the bond offering. You refuse to allow an auditor, you refuse an offer of oversight, you refuse to provide any sort of security. You offer no payment schedule. You want to be given the money, have your creditors shut up for three months, and then you'll pay back 175% of the loan? Absurd. I would expect more research to be put into a scam attempt. You didn't even try. This is pathetic and you need to stop now. You're an embarassment. This is quite false, first of thats not my name. we have never stated that we wont allow auditors, oversight or security the 75% profit is not absurd, if you had done some reserch into the market, you would see that this is quite low. well this is not a scam attempt, and research has been made into the model of profit, and the return, we are 100% sure we will be able to turn out a 75% in 3 months.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.14 17:29:00 - [78] Thanks for the answers. Now, you keep advising "we" in your responses, in which I understand you are referring to your corporation. Can you have them post here to advise they are also included in the project please. Because saying "we" all the time and only ever having one person speak almost feels like you are trying to promote security as funds are split over multiple people's heads, and yet none have posted. Hope you understand what I am saying. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.14 17:33:00 - [79] Originally by: Miss Fiona we have never stated that we wont allow auditors, oversight or security You denied that i could oversee the operation. So your lying. Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2007.10.14 17:43:00 - [80] I'm just impressed that fiona's very broken english has been miraculously fixed. It's A GIRL!!!!!
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.14 17:55:00 - [81] Originally by: Shar Tegral I'm just impressed that fiona's very broken english has been miraculously fixed. Yes but all the replies are oddly broken up for no rhyme or reason. Makes my eyes bleed every time I read one of "her" responses. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 17:56:00 - [82] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Miss Fiona we have never stated that we wont allow auditors, oversight or security You denied that i could oversee the operation. So your lying. lol no Lavista thats not lying, so if i say no to you, does that mean i will say no to everyone else?
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.14 17:59:00 - [83] Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Miss Fiona we have never stated that we wont allow auditors, oversight or security You denied that i could oversee the operation. So your lying. lol no Lavista thats not lying, so if i say no to you, does that mean i will say no to everyone else? name one member of this community you would be willing to let oversee and audit your operation. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:01:00 - [84] Originally by: Dr Slurm Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Miss Fiona we have never stated that we wont allow auditors, oversight or security You denied that i could oversee the operation. So your lying. lol no Lavista thats not lying, so if i say no to you, does that mean i will say no to everyone else? name one member of this community you would be willing to let oversee and audit your operation. General Starscream comes to mind Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:06:00 - [85] Chribba could be trusted, as he do have a very good record of beeing a middel man in the past.
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:10:00 - [86] Originally by: Miss Fiona Chribba could be trusted, as he do have a very good record of beeing a middel man in the past. Well not really a part of this community, but good enough. How about someone actually willing to do it? <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:34:00 - [87] he has not been online at the same time as me. so i havent been able to talk with him.
McRuder Gallente Magnets and Duct Tape	Posted - 2007.10.14 21:35:00 - [88] No. Bad plan.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.10.15 04:22:00 - [89] Originally by: Miss Fiona he has not been online at the same time as me. so i havent been able to talk with him. I have sent you an evemail with my email address. Send me you business plan and supporting documents so that I can review them. Even if you do not see me online, please send the business plan. I will not disclose the specifics to anyone, and I will give you a chance to answer questions and address concerns before I post my review of the plan. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.15 04:24:00 - [90] Originally by: Ricdic Thanks for the answers. Now, you keep advising "we" in your responses, in which I understand you are referring to your corporation. Can you have them post here to advise they are also included in the project please. Because saying "we" all the time and only ever having one person speak almost feels like you are trying to promote security as funds are split over multiple people's heads, and yet none have posted. Hope you understand what I am saying. Quoting myself as it seems you missed it Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Investigador Caldari Hator inc The Omni Federation	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:06:00 - [91] Edited by: Investigador on 15/10/2007 09:06:49 Originally by: Ricdic Quoting myself as it seems you missed it Ricdic, aren't you a bit wary from her answers? I found them quite bland and generalistic, and I can't find the sort of details that an experienced person could have, except for the some of the POS questions. Really, Miss Fiona, have you ever performed invention? Please correct me if I am wrong on my assertions :P Wall of text incoming. "Do you have the skills?" ---> "yes lvl5 gallente and caldri starship should be done befor the 28." What? No backstory about whether you have an invention alt and a manufacturing alt or an alt that does both things? Are you the character that has the skills? You have a trusted corpie that will make the invention? /vague "Do you plan on researching the bpo's before inventing?" ---> "both buying bpc and copying those we have" ...... uh, Miss Fiona? You can research with ME0 and PE0 BPCs, and it's way cheaper. ME100 BPCs are for n00bcakes :) But don't tell anyone, we don't want researchers to earn less isks from poor newbs, right? :D /inexperience "Success rates" --> "if it takes 3 tryes to make a bpc of 5 runs, 53=15, and that price for all 3 tryes is factored into the tottal sell price of the ship." What the....? I'm not sure about how invention works, but I'm almost sure that the example you gave is bad. You are supposed to make copies with less runs and lower ME, since those BS will require lots of materials. What route are you going to follow? Many copies and high ME or viceversa? Also no talk about decryptors, percentage of success, numbers that look like pulled out from her arse because she hasn't made any real serious calculation at all, etc. /inexperience?* /bullting? "have you factored in POS fuel costs" ----> "we have not factored in pos fuel cost, this will the corps own profits cover." :P /sloppy "/ risk of war" --> "if we should get wardecs plans are in place to make it both boring and low profit for anyone that attacks." Ooooh, this one is actually a good answer :D /pass "/ standings requirements" --> "the standing for putting up a large pos will be done with help of a second party, witch will make a corp set up pos, and give controll of the pos over to our corp." hey, and she even made research on this stuff :D /pass with honors "security" ---> "yes there is 100% in the corp members, as they stand to gain a nice profit for there work," Bleh, this security plan sucks. Your corpies can obviously earn much more by simply emptying the POS hangar and running for it. /fail "Will they have access to the POS? Will they have access to the BPO's? The BPC's? The finished product? Will your bpo's be locked down?" --> "theres allso a strict security plan that runs as a guide for the corp." /vague /sloppy " Why should we trust you?" --> "and those hope our good plan and honest ways will prove that we can be trusted." That's not an answer to that question /fail "What notable things have you done in Eve? " ---> "None of us has prior exp of running a Bond" That's not an answer to that question /fail "What makes your business better than any other prospective invention IPO?" --> "the business plan is not better than anyother invention based corp, as it runs with the same guide lines." " If it's not better, then if will simply fail, because other research ventures have all teh stuff on place and amortized. This sort of makes the whole point of the bond quite moot. It will just reach the same profits as already established research corps /faaaaaaaaaaaail (Same question as before) --> "but our investment plan(bonds) are better since we wont have to pay out % each month of capital" This excuse is.... well......... doh....so lame /fail
Elena Lanfear Crafty Productions	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:02:00 - [92] Ehm, one thing that really scares me: "Success rates" --> "if it takes 3 tryes to make a bpc of 5 runs, 5*3=15, and that price for all 3 tryes is factored into the tottal sell price of the ship." I am not that talented in mathematics (god beware), but i have done around 1000 inventions so far and i can tell you that 25 % sucess rate doesnt mean that every 4th attempt will be a hit. Its more like a base line from where hits/failures can vary quiet a bit depending on your luck. I have got everything between 70 and 10 % for modules so far and they have a far greater sucess ration. What do you plan to do if you are unlucky and your first 20 attempts fail? Lets assume it will cost around 200 Millions per invention attempt (a number i got from here, can be that they are a bit off: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=592093), so you are looking at 4 Bill upfront costs before it starts to generate money. And another thing, because i am not familiar with bonds: It is usual that there is no "Max required money" cap? I have checked the first post a few times, but all i have seen was "We want money, 10 Million ISK deposit minimum". So basically, nobody knows how much money you have received so far, because there was'nt an "endpoint" set a the beginning (like shares were you sell out at some point). Hope that was at least somehow clear, english isn't my first language ;-). - Elena
Frogsley Babylon. Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:28:00 - [93] Hello I would like to invest eleventy billion isk in this wonderful sca.. scheme. Please eve-mail me at once, so I have something to laugh about when I get home from work. Thanks ever so!
Investigador Caldari Hator inc The Omni Federation	Posted - 2007.10.15 11:12:00 - [94] Btw, Miss Fiona, I would like you to take my questions as an opportunity to improve your bussiness by having your posible mistakes pointed out, and not as a personal attack.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.15 11:38:00 - [95] Miss Fiona, after reading over your proposal, I'm pleased to announce that I've sent you 2 billion ISK. Actually I didn't really, and never would, but I thought that would be good for a morning jolly.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:48:00 - [96] Originally by: Investigador Ricdic, aren't you a bit wary from her answers? Course I am. But I feel it is only fair for people to get their word out. Whilst Curzon Dax has said the two (starscream and fiona) are on the same IP, that doesn't make it so. I was in the channel when one of the others (reported to be on the same IP) hongdingaling or whatever was in the poker game and he seemed to have no similarities whatsoever to starscream (however he did seem suss either way). Anyway, it wasn't mentioned during or after the game, but when he complained on the forums it was only 'then' that the public were advised he was using the same IP address as starscream. I am not in any way defending starscream or fiona, but starscream and curzon had a beef with each other. Starscream proceeded to attack curzon publically, and a few others (including fiona) said they thought it was a scam too. However misguided, there is no factual evidence that says both fiona and starscream are the same person. There are coincidences and non-backed up advisories. I would like to see Curzon post a little more evidence to back things up. A screenshot showing this, or the poker logs showing it. Whatever it takes. Anyway, I think his plan hasn't had anywhere near enough thought put into it, needs far more research, and a rewrite by someone who speaks decent English. I wouldn't invest a cent, and that is on these specific merits. Starscream was never proven a scammer, as I don't believe anyone invested in his "ipo" in his bio. If they did, I don't remember seeing any reports by people claiming to have been scammed by him. Anyway, as above, all my questions and queries towards Fiona have been disregarding any links to Starscream. So I am not telling people to invest, but I saw most of you also shoot down Genbukan in his Best Buys INC post on page 4 when he first presented his business plan. He was hardcore attacked for it, and restructured and came back, now look at his latest report and recreation on page 1 and check out the quality of those reports, his daily blog updates etc. I just don't want to be pushing people away based on theories and claims without verifiable backing. Having said that, I probably have another 50 questions I would ask and want answered before being close to satisfied as I feel those I have asked in the previous page had sloppy and incomplete answers as was partially picked up by Investigador. Don't think of my questioning as a form of endorsement, I am just giving the guy a fair chance to state his ideas/plans rather than an instant trash as pretty much everyone else has done. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Oron	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:21:00 - [97] Originally by: Ricdic Don't think of my questioning as a form of endorsement, I am just giving the guy a fair chance to state his ideas/plans rather than an instant trash as pretty much everyone else has done. If Ricdic take a look at Fionas plannes and if he say they are reasonable, I'll consider investing.
Daeva Vios Ardent Adversary Anvil.	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:51:00 - [98] The BPOs need to be researched and copied, the materials need to be gathered, and preparations must be made before patch day if the OP is going to get in when prices are still high. The OP needs to pick those she will trust to help her get this off the ground, and do so without delay. A lot of people were happy to support Genbukan because, after he was mercilessly butchered, he took the offers of advice and security quickly and made an honest effort. The difference here is that Miss Fiona has, to all appearances, not done so. It's great that someone is willing to tolerate all that has gone down and still hold out some measure of belief that it could just be a misunderstanding.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:37:00 - [99] Originally by: Oron Originally by: Ricdic Don't think of my questioning as a form of endorsement, I am just giving the guy a fair chance to state his ideas/plans rather than an instant trash as pretty much everyone else has done. If Ricdic take a look at Fionas plannes and if he say they are reasonable, I'll consider investing. To be honest I don't really want to be involved in this one. I feel that trying to clean this up would put a fake veil on it plus take a ton of work. Matalino has offered so we can see how he goes with it. People have a bad habit of investing in things I touch so I really don't want that association in something I am quite uncomfortable with at this point. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:56:00 - [100] Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Oron Originally by: Ricdic Don't think of my questioning as a form of endorsement, I am just giving the guy a fair chance to state his ideas/plans rather than an instant trash as pretty much everyone else has done. If Ricdic take a look at Fionas plannes and if he say they are reasonable, I'll consider investing. To be honest I don't really want to be involved in this one. I feel that trying to clean this up would put a fake veil on it plus take a ton of work. Matalino has offered so we can see how he goes with it. People have a bad habit of investing in things I touch so I really don't want that association in something I am quite uncomfortable with at this point. I figure that even with the success of myown IPO, I don't carry enough clout to have the same effect as Ricdic in creating an impression of endourcement by simply looking at the plan. As I have stated, I am not an expert in invention, so I will continue to be clear that I cannot offer expert advise regarding this offering. All that I wanted to do was give Fiona a fair chance to present her plan. I am still waiting to see what that plan is exactly. From seeing the details of my business plan, Ricdic knows the quality standards that I would place on ensuring that the numbers add up. Because I lack the expertise with invention, I will be unable to verify that all the assumptions are valid, but I can atleast check to make sure that the foundational budgeting is sound. I would expect the same high standards in budgeting that I have set for my IPO from Fiona, before I would recommend her plan for further review by someone with a greater understanding in invention. I will NOT help Fiona fix and defects in her business plan. I will NOT provide a final recommendation to investors. I will point out areas where her plan needs to be refined before further presentation. When/If I think that the plan is presentable, I will post stating that I think someone with a better understanding of investion should give her plan a review. I, like Ricdic, don't know and don't really care if Fiona and Starscream are the same person. That is a side issue, for which we don't have any firm proof. Even if they had the same IP address, it does not prove anything. Based on how Fiona was baited in the other thread, I don't think she has the technecal knowledge to defend the possiblity of their sharing an IP. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2007.10.15 18:01:00 - [101] Originally by: Daeva Vios The BPOs need to be ~~researched and~~ copied, the materials need to be gathered, and preparations must be made before patch day if the OP is going to get in when prices are still high. BPO research levels have no influence on invention success or the invented bpc's that come out. (At this time, it is speculated that perhaps at some point this may change but... meh speculations.) It's A GIRL!!!!!
Daeva Vios Ardent Adversary Anvil.	Posted - 2007.10.15 20:37:00 - [102] My mistake.
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 20:35:00 - [103] Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Ricdic Thanks for the answers. Now, you keep advising "we" in your responses, in which I understand you are referring to your corporation. Can you have them post here to advise they are also included in the project please. Because saying "we" all the time and only ever having one person speak almost feels like you are trying to promote security as funds are split over multiple people's heads, and yet none have posted. Hope you understand what I am saying. Quoting myself as it seems you missed it They are not allowed to post.
Malin folkungs	Posted - 2007.10.17 20:36:00 - [104] Edited by: Malin folkungs on 17/10/2007 20:38:01 hmf
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 20:37:00 - [105] Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Ricdic Thanks for the answers. Now, you keep advising "we" in your responses, in which I understand you are referring to your corporation. Can you have them post here to advise they are also included in the project please. Because saying "we" all the time and only ever having one person speak almost feels like you are trying to promote security as funds are split over multiple people's heads, and yet none have posted. Hope you understand what I am saying. Quoting myself as it seems you missed it They are not allowed to post. Thats very counter productive. Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 20:37:00 - [106] Originally by: Malin folkungs Edited by: Malin folkungs on 17/10/2007 20:36:37 I am a miner in the corp. Oh, you are an alt of miss fiona, yet posting despite the fact that he said that the members cant post? Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 20:39:00 - [107] Originally by: Matalino Originally by: Miss Fiona he has not been online at the same time as me. so i havent been able to talk with him. I have sent you an evemail with my email address. Send me you business plan and supporting documents so that I can review them. Even if you do not see me online, please send the business plan. I will not disclose the specifics to anyone, and I will give you a chance to answer questions and address concerns before I post my review of the plan. No i will not send you any info on hotmail. in game only, or you could read the main post.
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 20:41:00 - [108] Investigador your quite wrong on alot of those,even tho it looks funny, it dont prove anything, if you think my answers fail, as you say, maybe you would like to talk with me in game.
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 20:41:00 - [109] Originally by: Daeva Vios The BPOs need to be researched and copied, the materials need to be gathered, and preparations must be made before patch day if the OP is going to get in when prices are still high. The OP needs to pick those she will trust to help her get this off the ground, and do so without delay. A lot of people were happy to support Genbukan because, after he was mercilessly butchered, he took the offers of advice and security quickly and made an honest effort. The difference here is that Miss Fiona has, to all appearances, not done so. It's great that someone is willing to tolerate all that has gone down and still hold out some measure of belief that it could just be a misunderstanding. We know and are working on it.
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.17 20:42:00 - [110] Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: Matalino Originally by: Miss Fiona he has not been online at the same time as me. so i havent been able to talk with him. I have sent you an evemail with my email address. Send me you business plan and supporting documents so that I can review them. Even if you do not see me online, please send the business plan. I will not disclose the specifics to anyone, and I will give you a chance to answer questions and address concerns before I post my review of the plan. No i will not send you any info on hotmail. in game only, or you could read the main post. I really hope no one is foolish enough to invest in you. You've been given every chance to make a case for yourself, but you just look shadier and shadier with each post. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.10.17 20:44:00 - [111] Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: Matalino Originally by: Miss Fiona he has not been online at the same time as me. so i havent been able to talk with him. I have sent you an evemail with my email address. Send me you business plan and supporting documents so that I can review them. Even if you do not see me online, please send the business plan. I will not disclose the specifics to anyone, and I will give you a chance to answer questions and address concerns before I post my review of the plan. No i will not send you any info on hotmail. in game only, or you could read the main post. If you think that you can get a properly detailed discription of the business and your financial plan to fit into the 1000 character limit, then by all means, send it to me in-game. I sent you my email address so that you can include more details and make it more presentable, possibly use spreadsheets if that helps. If you are concerned about disclosing your real world identity, then just create a through away hotmail account. You will notice that is what I did. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 20:45:00 - [112] Originally by: Dr Slurm Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: Matalino Originally by: Miss Fiona he has not been online at the same time as me. so i havent been able to talk with him. I have sent you an evemail with my email address. Send me you business plan and supporting documents so that I can review them. Even if you do not see me online, please send the business plan. I will not disclose the specifics to anyone, and I will give you a chance to answer questions and address concerns before I post my review of the plan. No i will not send you any info on hotmail. in game only, or you could read the main post. I really hope no one is foolish enough to invest in you. You've been given every chance to make a case for yourself, but you just look shadier and shadier with each post. No no no, you are all wrong. 1. Post that nobody else from your corp is allowed to post in the thread 2. Then take an alt, write "Im a miner in the corp" 3. A jackass quotes that 4. Then edit the post to say "Hmf" 5. Say that everybody is wrong 6. ???? 7. PROFIT! Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 20:46:00 - [113] Originally by: Dr Slurm Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: Matalino Originally by: Miss Fiona he has not been online at the same time as me. so i havent been able to talk with him. I have sent you an evemail with my email address. Send me you business plan and supporting documents so that I can review them. Even if you do not see me online, please send the business plan. I will not disclose the specifics to anyone, and I will give you a chance to answer questions and address concerns before I post my review of the plan. No i will not send you any info on hotmail. in game only, or you could read the main post. I really hope no one is foolish enough to invest in you. You've been given every chance to make a case for yourself, but you just look shadier and shadier with each post. I Offer anyone that wish to contact me in game, and i will glady share our plans. for as far as they can be disclosed.
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 20:51:00 - [114] Originally by: Dr Slurm Any sort of business plan that can be expressed in eve-mail isn't even worth reading. All well, not my problem none of your shares will sell. lol how so? it can be presented as well in a game chat as anywhere else.
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 20:55:00 - [115] Originally by: Matalino Originally by: Dr Slurm Any sort of business plan that can be expressed in eve-mail isn't even worth reading. Any sort of business plan that can be explained in a chat window is even less worth reading. Im Starting to think that some of you dont know what you are talking about. you seem to be trolling to boost your own ipo. The Plan dont need to be laid out on power point to work.as long as the ide and planning is good, it will work and turn out a nice profit for the investors.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.10.17 20:56:00 - [116] Edited by: Matalino on 17/10/2007 21:02:12 Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: Dr Slurm Any sort of business plan that can be expressed in eve-mail isn't even worth reading. All well, not my problem none of your shares will sell. lol how so? it can be presented as well in a game chat as anywhere else. I am beginning to wonder if your knowledge of business planning is any better than your knowledge of pc things like we saw in the last thread. Originally by: Miss Fiona Im Starting to think that some of you dont know what you are talking about. you seem to be trolling to boost your own ipo. The Plan dont need to be laid out on power point to work.as long as the ide and planning is good, it will work and turn out a nice profit for the investors. No, I am not trolling. I still want to give you an honest chance to redeem yourself. In order to get buy in for an investment of this nature you need to PROVE that you both know what you are doing and have the ability to do it. The details that I sent to Ricdic to verify the unrevieled details of my IPO included spreadsheets laying out several different projections for profits, an explination of the assumptions that I made, details of how it was to be carried out, etc. If you plan to move into invention of T2 Battleships, you will need to prove that you both know how and are able to do it. There is no way that you can explain all of that in a evemail or chat window, with any where near enough detail. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:02:00 - [117] How so Mat? you dont give anything to support what you say.
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:02:00 - [118] First off the only IPO I've released was free. Second I do know what I'm talking about unlike yourself. I've written several real life Business Plans. People want to see the numbers you are using to justify the profit you think you can realize. They want proof you've put more into this then what has been seen so far. You strike me to be about the age of 13 or so. Just a guess. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Investigador Caldari Hator inc The Omni Federation	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:05:00 - [119] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Dr Slurm Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: Matalino Originally by: Miss Fiona he has not been online at the same time as me. so i havent been able to talk with him. I have sent you an evemail with my email address. Send me you business plan and supporting documents so that I can review them. Even if you do not see me online, please send the business plan. I will not disclose the specifics to anyone, and I will give you a chance to answer questions and address concerns before I post my review of the plan. No i will not send you any info on hotmail. in game only, or you could read the main post. I really hope no one is foolish enough to invest in you. You've been given every chance to make a case for yourself, but you just look shadier and shadier with each post. No no no, you are all wrong. 1. Post that nobody else from your corp is allowed to post in the thread 2. Then take an alt, write "Im a miner in the corp" 3. A jackass quotes that 4. Then edit the post to say "Hmf" 5. Say that everybody is wrong 6. ???? 7. PROFIT! And then finding that this "miner" has made only posts, one of them being an alt post to trick people to invest on a nyxlottery being hold by a General Starscream's alt. Well, this really makes it for me. This is a scam, and Miss Fiona is is a General Starscream's alt, and this bond is a Ponzi scam, trying to get as much people as posible to invest before tranfering the isk to General Starscream and deleting the char.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:06:00 - [120] Originally by: Miss Fiona How so Mat? you dont give anything to support what you say. What support do you want? Do you want Ricdic to post saying that he has read over my plan and is happy with the level of detail? Done Do you want people to post here saying that you need to provide more details to gain the trust of potential investors? What do you think that past 4 pages of this thread have been about? ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:06:00 - [121] Originally by: Dr Slurm First off the only IPO I've released was free. Second I do know what I'm talking about unlike yourself. I've written several real life Business Plans. People want to see the numbers you are using to justify the profit you think you can realize. They want proof you've put more into this then what has been seen so far. You strike me to be about the age of 13 or so. Just a guess. Ok Mr real life. First of EvE is not real life. even if you can write something that looks good dont mean that its a good plan.And even if it looks bad dont mean that its a bad plan. The line of the plan have been stated at the start of the post. you could take the time to read it, if you would like to know. and im 23. not 13, even tho my english skills arent the best,i feel i presnt this in a good way, i wish alot of you could give good advice like Ri, or Hex.
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:07:00 - [122] Originally by: Investigador Edited by: Investigador on 17/10/2007 21:06:45 Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Dr Slurm Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: Matalino Originally by: Miss Fiona he has not been online at the same time as me. so i havent been able to talk with him. I have sent you an evemail with my email address. Send me you business plan and supporting documents so that I can review them. Even if you do not see me online, please send the business plan. I will not disclose the specifics to anyone, and I will give you a chance to answer questions and address concerns before I post my review of the plan. No i will not send you any info on hotmail. in game only, or you could read the main post. I really hope no one is foolish enough to invest in you. You've been given every chance to make a case for yourself, but you just look shadier and shadier with each post. No no no, you are all wrong. 1. Post that nobody else from your corp is allowed to post in the thread 2. Then take an alt, write "Im a miner in the corp" 3. A jackass quotes that 4. Then edit the post to say "Hmf" 5. Say that everybody is wrong 6. ???? 7. PROFIT! And then finding that this "miner" has made only posts, one of them being an alt post to trick people to invest on a nyxlottery being hold by a General Starscream's alt. Well, this really makes it for me. This is a scam, and Miss Fiona is is a General Starscream's alt, and this bond is a Ponzi scam, trying to get as much people as posible to invest before tranfering the isk to General Starscream and deleting the char. Definitely, a big sloppy If he deletes the character, he will get banned and have his ass handed to him by CCP Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:09:00 - [123] Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: Dr Slurm First off the only IPO I've released was free. Second I do know what I'm talking about unlike yourself. I've written several real life Business Plans. People want to see the numbers you are using to justify the profit you think you can realize. They want proof you've put more into this then what has been seen so far. You strike me to be about the age of 13 or so. Just a guess. Ok Mr real life. First of EvE is not real life. even if you can write something that looks good dont mean that its a good plan.And even if it looks bad dont mean that its a bad plan. The line of the plan have been stated at the start of the post. you could take the time to read it, if you would like to know. and im 23. not 13, even tho my english skills arent the best,i feel i presnt this in a good way, i wish alot of you could give good advice like Ri, or Hex. In such case you are pretty.. no, im not gonna do the joke Tank CEO made But to be fair, age doesnt matter. You would be suprised about my age Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:10:00 - [124] Originally by: Miss Fiona How so Mat? you dont give anything to support what you say. Actually it seems it is you that does not support what you say and you're the one asking for money, they are merely trying to give you some advice. I personally think they should have given up on you a while back as it clearly was a waste of their time. You do not wish to, or have the ability to, do what it takes to run an IPO. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:10:00 - [125] Originally by: Matalino Originally by: Miss Fiona How so Mat? you dont give anything to support what you say. What support do you want? Do you want Ricdic to post saying that he has read over my plan and is happy with the level of detail? Done Do you want people to post here saying that you need to provide more details to gain the trust of potential investors? What do you think that past 4 pages of this thread have been about? EvEen so Matalino he might like the Detail of it, but it dont mean thats a good plan. if you wish i could take a look at your plan, and do what you have done in this thread. Most posers in this thread are clueless trolling people. they post alot of things, that are just wrong. most of them dont even know how invention works. I have done alot of invention in the past, and have tested it alot of the test server on the new ships.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:14:00 - [126] Originally by: Miss Fiona First of EvE is not real life. even if you can write something that looks good dont mean that its a good plan.And even if it looks bad dont mean that its a bad plan. While this is just a game, the game is based on real life. Combat players need displine and co-ordination to function. All of the things that go into implementing an effective real world war, go into implementing a war in Eve. Same goes for the market community. The standard of planning set and expected by the community is on par with the real world. We are far more relaxed about the presentation, but you still need to prove that the plan is there in detail, even if it is not presented with all the fancy slides. If you can't back up your business, with a plan, then don't expect any support. If you are unwilling to play the market game as the rules have come to dictate, then don't be suprised if you don't get a warm welcome. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:14:00 - [127] Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Miss Fiona How so Mat? you dont give anything to support what you say. Actually it seems it is you that does not support what you say and you're the one asking for money, they are merely trying to give you some advice. I personally think they should have given up on you a while back as it clearly was a waste of their time. You do not wish to, or have the ability to, do what it takes to run an IPO. Shadarle not less than 20% of the post are Advice the rest are trolling about things they know nothing about. i do take the Advice here to the heart, but not all of it. I dont think you know anything about what our crop can do,we can run this bond,we have the Ability, and we wish for it everyday.
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:15:00 - [128] lol we do have a plan, go to page 1 and read.
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:20:00 - [129] Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: Dr Slurm First off the only IPO I've released was free. Second I do know what I'm talking about unlike yourself. I've written several real life Business Plans. People want to see the numbers you are using to justify the profit you think you can realize. They want proof you've put more into this then what has been seen so far. You strike me to be about the age of 13 or so. Just a guess. Ok Mr real life. First of EvE is not real life. even if you can write something that looks good dont mean that its a good plan.And even if it looks bad dont mean that its a bad plan. The line of the plan have been stated at the start of the post. you could take the time to read it, if you would like to know. and im 23. not 13, even tho my english skills arent the best,i feel i presnt this in a good way, i wish alot of you could give good advice like Ri, or Hex. You can feel all you want, but you have NOT presented (notice the spelling) this business plan in a good way at all. In fact it was a **** poor presentation. We are giving great advice. That advice is not to invest in your scam. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:21:00 - [130] i dont see how spelling has anything to do with it. oh look shes not english it must be a scam, this seem to be the main tought in your mind.
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:24:00 - [131] Originally by: Miss Fiona i dont see how spelling has anything to do with it. oh look shes not english it must be a scam, this seem to be the main tought in your mind. You are correct spelling has nothing to do with it. It just happens to be the icing on the cake. Every time I read one of your posts it feels like my eyes will bleed because I'm reading your poor English. If you cared enough about this IPO you would take the time to at least get your grammar correct, let alone punctuation. Your presentation is horrible even when not considering your grammar and spelling ability. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:27:00 - [132] Originally by: Miss Fiona Im Starting to think that some of you dont know what you are talking about. you seem to be trolling to boost your own ipo. The Plan dont need to be laid out on power point to work.as long as the ide and planning is good, it will work and turn out a nice profit for the investors. Sorry but you just lost any chance I was willing to give for you to prove yourself or turn things around. I have no doubt in my mind this is a scam and strongly recommend people don't go near it. Failure to answer questions correctly, failure to provide more information as you said you would, lack of knowledge to run any form of public venture, and a crappy attitude that history has shown always works badly for the investors. Plus, yet another affiliation with Starscream has popped up on this page. You may as well go to Jita and offer people 10x their isk back. You have far more chance of making 30b than you do off us. Game over Fiona. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:28:00 - [133] Originally by: Miss Fiona EvEen so Matalino he might like the Detail of it, but it dont mean thats a good plan. if you wish i could take a look at your plan, and do what you have done in this thread. Perhaps it is not a good plan. I think that it is. Ricdic probably wouldn't have invested in it if he didn't think that it was good. Ultimately time will show if the assumptions that I made are well founded. As for me sharing my plan with you, it requires that I trust you, which at this point I do not. I cannot justify risking my plan failing because of compition due to disclosing it to potential competitors. So with the interest of protecting my investors, I will not disclose the details of my plan to you. As for you disclosing your to me, this requires you to trust me. It is still possible for you to trust me even if I do not currently return that trust. Just as I had to extend trust to Ricdic when giving him the details of my plan. It was a risk that I had to take to gain the trust of the community. I don't know if Ricdic trusted me at that point, or to what extent he trusts me now. Ultimately it didn't matter if he trusted me, as long as my trust in him was not misplaced. For your venture to be acceptable to most investors, you are going to need to have it reviewed by someone with wider held trust. If that is me or someone else is up to you to decide. But do not expect much support until you show more transparancy with some form of third party review. I have already stated that I do not feel that I have the expertise to confirm if your plan is a good or bad plan. What I have offered to do is to confirm that the plan appears to have enough detail to warrant further review. As it is, the way that you have responded to inquiries, has degraded the amount of trust that people hold for you to the point that I don't expect that anyone with the expertise would review your plan. It is possible that it is already now beyond the point where even if I recommened your plan for further review, there would be nobody willing to do so. You are quickly reaching the point, where you will have destroyed your credibilty so much that I will need to withdraw my offer to review your plan. As it is, I will give you one last chance to use me as a third party observer. Originally by: Miss Fiona Most posers in this thread are clueless trolling people. they post alot of things, that are just wrong. most of them dont even know how invention works. I have done alot of invention in the past, and have tested it alot of the test server on the new ships. I think that there are few if any trolls posting in your thread. Most are simply fustrated with your responses to their honest questions. You have not presented yourself well. The lack of presentation can be forgiven, if you have the business sense and honesty to pull off a successful venture. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:36:00 - [134] Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Miss Fiona Im Starting to think that some of you dont know what you are talking about. you seem to be trolling to boost your own ipo. The Plan dont need to be laid out on power point to work.as long as the ide and planning is good, it will work and turn out a nice profit for the investors. Sorry but you just lost any chance I was willing to give for you to prove yourself or turn things around. I have no doubt in my mind this is a scam and strongly recommend people don't go near it. Failure to answer questions correctly, failure to provide more information as you said you would, lack of knowledge to run any form of public venture, and a crappy attitude that history has shown always works badly for the investors. Plus, yet another affiliation with Starscream has popped up on this page. You may as well go to Jita and offer people 10x their isk back. You have far more chance of making 30b than you do off us. Game over Fiona. lol shut up troll face. you know nothing about this. you all take some words and twist it to something else. i have said alot of times, that i will proive any info i can in game if anyone wish to know more.
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:37:00 - [135] Matalino im not a scammer like you.
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:38:00 - [136] Edited by: Dr Slurm on 17/10/2007 21:38:17 Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Miss Fiona Im Starting to think that some of you dont know what you are talking about. you seem to be trolling to boost your own ipo. The Plan dont need to be laid out on power point to work.as long as the ide and planning is good, it will work and turn out a nice profit for the investors. Sorry but you just lost any chance I was willing to give for you to prove yourself or turn things around. I have no doubt in my mind this is a scam and strongly recommend people don't go near it. Failure to answer questions correctly, failure to provide more information as you said you would, lack of knowledge to run any form of public venture, and a crappy attitude that history has shown always works badly for the investors. Plus, yet another affiliation with Starscream has popped up on this page. You may as well go to Jita and offer people 10x their isk back. You have far more chance of making 30b than you do off us. Game over Fiona. lol shut up troll face. you know nothing about this. you all take some words and twist it to something else. i have said alot of times, that i will proive any info i can in game if anyone wish to know more. LOL. Maybe you could consider acting like you are 23. That post right there is the last nail in your coffin. You loose. P.S. The only troll here is an alt of General Starscream. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:42:00 - [137] Fine then dont invest DR troll
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:43:00 - [138] Originally by: Miss Fiona Fine then dont invest DR troll Its kind of odd that you thought I might possibly. Don't worry your childish antics screaming scam in other peoples threads will go unheeded because your word is worthless. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:46:00 - [139] Edited by: Matalino on 17/10/2007 21:48:26 Originally by: Miss Fiona Matalino im not a scammer like you. With that, I formally withdraw my offer to review this offer any further. I cannot see any reason to post in this thread any further. Others have already posted stating what they think of the quality of this IPO. My opinion is now completely inline with that of Dr Slurm, LaVista Vista, Ricdic, Shadarle and the other senior members of the investment community. I think that every reasonable effort has been made to allow Miss Fiona to prove herself, and she has choosen not to do so. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:47:00 - [140] This thread has turned to gold /me thinking of setting up a charity fund to go towards mercenary war vs NTG, but wonder if it would be wrong on his corpmates. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:48:00 - [141] Originally by: Ricdic This thread has turned to gold /me thinking of setting up a charity fund to go towards mercenary war vs NTG, but wonder if it would be wrong on his corpmates. Posting in another epic thread. Don't you mean alts? <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:53:00 - [142] I am on to you all NTG Now declers you all the "ipo" scammers of eve. WAR i have answerd everything, yet you keep trolling away, and most of you are contected to other ipo, or run them your self. those are unlike our bond offer, tottal scams, and we at NTG will blow you all out of the sky, if you wish to fight dirty fourm wars, thats fine, we will do our best to tell the honest story of how ZZZ alliance are scammers.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:54:00 - [143] Fiona has now officially decided to stop trying to convince people. It seems she realizes she has been figured out. And to make matters worse Fiona has started posting in other threads calling them scams. Now she is just a flat out troll as well as a SCAM. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:55:00 - [144] Edited by: Dr Slurm on 17/10/2007 22:03:32 Originally by: Miss Fiona I am on to you all NTG Now declers you all the "ipo" scammers of eve. WAR i have answerd everything, yet you keep trolling away, and most of you are contected to other ipo, or run them your self. those are unlike our bond offer, tottal scams, and we at NTG will blow you all out of the sky, if you wish to fight dirty fourm wars, thats fine, we will do our best to tell the honest story of how ZZZ alliance are scammers. OMG! In that case I take it all back. You are obviously a very reasonable person... ...who makes me laugh uncontrollably. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:01:00 - [145] Originally by: Miss Fiona I am on to you all NTG Now declers you all the "ipo" scammers of eve. WAR i have answerd everything, yet you keep trolling away, and most of you are contected to other ipo, or run them your self. those are unlike our bond offer, tottal scams, and we at NTG will blow you all out of the sky, if you wish to fight dirty fourm wars, thats fine, we will do our best to tell the honest story of how ZZZ alliance are scammers. Well the ZZZ alliance is a bunch of scammers, that's for sure! But I'm not in ZZZ so you're leaving me out :( Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:01:00 - [146] Edited by: Ricdic on 17/10/2007 22:02:37 Originally by: Miss Fiona we will do our best to tell the honest story of how ZZZ alliance are scammers. I feel privelidged that you have chosen Zzz over all the other 'trolls' in this thread. One thing though. The 'trolls' you mention in this thread represent your target market. They are the ones who would buy your shares if they felt comfortable in them, or their questions were answered correctly. Throwing a tantrum and calling them names because no-one falls for your scam is stupid. edit, you haven't put your scam post on any EBANK threads yet btw. You failed. We gave you every opportunity to start on even ground and when you realised your scam wouldn't work you resorted to abuse. I won't reduce myself to your childish namecalling games but I will continue enjoying the drama you add to this thread. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:26:00 - [147] we made a nice plan, worked weeks on resarch and everything, and days on the plan and layout of the post.What do we get? minless clueless people trolling trollling i tell you. and whom are they? its people that run other ipo, or investment things. honest corps gets pushed out, while the scammers run around and post every honest corp there is. well no more, we will fight you.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:35:00 - [148] Originally by: Miss Fiona we made a nice plan, worked weeks on resarch and everything, and days on the plan and layout of the post.What do we get? minless clueless people trolling trollling i tell you. 1. This plan is not nice, it is severely lacking. 2. If it took you weeks of research then you obviously haven't demonstrated why. Everything you've posted I could write in 30 minutes with 0 work. You've posted no proof or details of anything. 3. Calling some of the most respected and biggest investors in EVE minless, while not actually a word, is quite silly if you're wanting people to invest in you. Originally by: Miss Fiona and whom are they? its people that run other ipo, or investment things. I do not run an IPO or an "investment thing". Though I must say seeing you call them "investment things" is quite a confidence booster in your intelligence. Originally by: Miss Fiona while the scammers run around and post every honest corp there is. I find it quite ironic that you, of all people, would say this while you are personally going around to other posts and calling them scams. It seems you wrote this line about yourself. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
3535325385hdgsbndgsdjg	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:39:00 - [149] we would like to endorse this scam as a very profitable venture. Surely 100% of everything will be returned to you by yesterday if you invest less than anything into this reasonable idea. Oh wait...
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:47:00 - [150] Originally by: Miss Fiona we made a nice plan We? No-one but you has come forward. The only other person that did so, is an alt of General Starscream. Where are the other people? Now is the time to have them post here. Quote: worked weeks on resarch and everything, and days on the plan and layout of the post. I could see that a little effort was put into it. But if you have no spreadsheets or documents of any kind, just evemails and in-game conversations, then I would be NOT investing, due to a high chance of failure (read: not the scam aspect). The 2 key aspects we (as prospective shareholders) look for in a business are trustworhiness and chance to succeed. Both don't always need to be 100% filled, sometimes you can leverage one for another, or find alternate methods to fill in the gaps. But one of those two aspects HAS to be fulfilled. Your trustworthiness has been zero from the start. An unknown alt only linked to a scammer main. So you needed a spectacular business plan to balance the scales. Your business plan was poor to say the least. It had inconsistencies, changes that needed making, early bird offers(wtf) and the likes. You offered no allowance for securities, refused to provide a simple email address for someone looking to read the business plan and frankly haven't answered any of the real questions I put forth to you in an acceptable manner. Quote: What do we get? minless clueless people trolling trollling i tell you. Whilst I won't speak for myself, the people who have spoken in this thread would account for some of the highest economical personalities in this game. People with proven personal success, some on the road to corporate and public success and the likes. Many of whom are large corporate investors who you want to have on your side and not against you. I personally hold shares and bonds in other people's corporations to the tune of 16 billion isk. Your success or failure has no benefit whatsoever to me as an owner of a research corporation, a capital ship corporation, and a banking corporation. My questions were all from a prospective investor's point of view. So, you lost a potential shareholder in me. The potential for this was probably lost 3 pages ago but I decided to stick with you a bit longer and see if you could turn things around. Unfortunately you went the other way and dug yourself a hole that your character will never be able to climb out of. Quote: honest corps gets pushed out Unfortuntely, you have only 1 person to blame. Your corporation has only 1 person to blame. Do you really think the 40 or so different people who have posted in this thread are 'all out to get you'? Or do you think maybe they are all speaking on similar lines because they all feel the same way? If there are other members of your corp (not alts) that feel they have been hard done by, I would recommend that they take immediate action, that in leaving the corporation, as even having employment history stating they have been in NTG may be a permanent red cross on their name. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:49:00 - [151] yes
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:53:00 - [152] Originally by: Miss Fiona yes Finally an admission of being General Starscream's alt Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2007.10.17 23:21:00 - [153] Originally by: Miss Fiona and whom are they? its people that run other ipo, or investment things. honest corps gets pushed out, while the scammers run around and post every honest corp there is. well no more, we will fight you. I welcome your scrutiny. Your posting that the ipo I'm securing for someone else is a scam. I want to know why as I'm securing it. So please, feel free to post in my thread again and explain it to me. I am interested in hearing what you have to say if it is reasonable or rational in any way. Otherwise... you may declare war upon me at your earliest convenience. If you find that you are having trouble with doing so, you need simply ask. I'll happily start the process for you. It's A GIRL!!!!!
Taikun Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.18 01:19:00 - [154] 6 pages of flames, spams, trolling... ISD is really 'out to lunch' in the market fourms. Taikun ----------------------------------- For lack of a better word ladies and gentlemen... Greed is good.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2007.10.18 01:25:00 - [155] They are not. It's A GIRL!!!!!
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.18 03:58:00 - [156] yes i know ;( i get so upset they just flame away thinking they better than anyone else, they dont think whom they might hurt, as long as they can have some fun on someone eles behalf, its just mean and uncalled for. Its ok in the game, but come on on the fourm. it dont hurt to ask real questions insted of just flaming away to try and make people mad or something, then if they get mad, you call them a scammer or whatnnot to make it worse. its like a lynch mob. but your buring the wrong witch

ISD Rauth Kivaro ISD STAR	Posted - 2007.10.18 05:36:00 - [157] Cleaned up topic somewhat. Any further trolling or flaming will be met with more than a snip. If you don't like the IPO, don't invest and keep your comments constructive and within the forum rules. CRC is somewhat short-handed as most people know and we cannot catch every infraction of the forum rules. We rely on the community to do two things: Follow the forum rules and notify the moderator team if infractions of the rules are seen. Next time, instead of posting about how bad a thread has gotten or contributing to making that thread worse, email [email protected] so we can be aware of the issue. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

Taikun Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.18 07:07:00 - [158] Originally by: Taikun 6 pages of flames, spams, trolling... ISD is really 'out to lunch' in the market fourms. Taikun I hereby retract my aforementioned critique of the efficacy of the ISD department pertaining to this thread. It looks like lunch is over. Taikun ----------------------------------- For lack of a better word ladies and gentlemen... Greed is good.
Elena Lanfear Crafty Productions	Posted - 2007.10.18 08:04:00 - [159] Originally by: Miss Fiona we made a nice plan, worked weeks on resarch and everything, and days on the plan and layout of the post.What do we get? minless clueless people trolling trollling i tell you. and whom are they? its people that run other ipo, or investment things. honest corps gets pushed out, while the scammers run around and post every honest corp there is. well no more, we will fight you. Wow, you made my day and its not even lunch time here ;-). Sorry to say that, but if you accuse investors of being clueless i doubt that you will ever receive money from them. Personally, i am not linked to any IPO, i own no shares (thought about buying some but was too slow) and i have done a bit of invention (2-3.000 attempts). So i wouldnt say i am clueless. I have asked some valid questions (at least in my opinion) and i have got no response so far. Thats not the best way to attract potential investors ;-). I think you didnt get the point at all. YOU want money from people. So you have to do things to make them happy first. And i think the "OMG i am a poor girl, they are not nice to me, bah, i declare war on them" wont make any investor happy (dont matter if he gets a wardec or thinking about investing in you while you are at war). Have fun with your thread, i will leave it now (one troll/investor less) - Elena

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2007.10.18 09:16:00 - [160] After hearing that OP has claimed to have me as a heavy/large scale investor in this IPO I hereby deny having invested in this IPO. Any any attempts to use my name to boost this IPO should be seen as an increased value of scam possibility. I have however spoken to OP in-game and given my thoughts and tips regarding how I think an IPO should be introduced, and in my opinion my suggestions has not been followed after reading OP's post. /c Secure 3rd party service .

Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.18 14:37:00 - [161] Originally by: SitAtJita Edited by: SitAtJita on 13/10/2007 22:32:13 Lol, still going at in on ships trade channels. Miss Fiona > NTG Have Relased a bond for investors, 75% back + your original investment, Secrure and safe plan, are in place, And now the return has become 75%. It's magic! I mean, miss fiona, do you even know what a t2 bs is? Judging from what you say, you don't: Miss Fiona > buying all teir 2 bs at 80m Miss Fiona > they need to be deliverd close to jita Altought, mind you , at least she tries it: Miss Fiona > Wtb all minerals at 30% less than jita prices Miss Fiona > will pick it up anywhere in empire Pity that t2 ships don't take minerals to manufacture other than some small amount of morphite and other minerals that take a tiny small fraction of the cost, so a 30% difference is insignificant eh? Apparently you don't know what you are talking about. When someone says Tier 1 BS, he means ships like Typhoon, Dominix, Scorpion, Armageddon which ask for just Racial BS to 1. Tier 2 refers to Megathron, Tempest, Apocalypse, Raven that ask for Racial BS to 2, not that they are tech 2 like you are thinking right now. On the topic at hand, scammer or not i don't care, but if you found him out by comparing out of game stuff, then you are pretty much a worthless piece of **** in my book. I'll have to make a mental note not to play eve-poker because my details can be abused. Failgeddon wrecks CCP for XXX annoyed customers !
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.18 14:53:00 - [162] Originally by: Setana Manoro but if you found him out by comparing out of game stuff, then you are pretty much a worthless piece of **** in my book. You realise that in the case of most of the bigger traders and guys in the industry, out of game(metagaming) takes up QUITE a bit. I do more deals out of the client, than inside it(Its finalized ingame of course). We dont get the tools in the user interface ingame, so we create more out of our sand in the sandbox. The forums is an out of game tool which is most important. If the forums werent here, alot of the stuff we see today, be it ebank, IPO's or whatever, wouldnt be there. But the forums, third party services, be it whatever, is important information. We dont just talk isk, characters, ingame sales, etc. We talk who is the person, whats his behaviour in perspective(So we look at everything we can find), etc. etc. etc. Meta gaming is VERY important, and its what makes the market what it is. Its got HUGE Impact on ingame prices for instance, and its got importance to who survives the game, be it gathering IP addresses in a sneaky way out of game to prove something, its all legal. You would be disgusted if you knew some people do with out of game information. But live with it. Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.18 15:06:00 - [163] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Setana Manoro but if you found him out by comparing out of game stuff, then you are pretty much a worthless piece of **** in my book. You realise that in the case of most of the bigger traders and guys in the industry, out of game(metagaming) takes up QUITE a bit. I do more deals out of the client, than inside it(Its finalized ingame of course). We dont get the tools in the user interface ingame, so we create more out of our sand in the sandbox. The forums is an out of game tool which is most important. If the forums werent here, alot of the stuff we see today, be it ebank, IPO's or whatever, wouldnt be there. But the forums, third party services, be it whatever, is important information. We dont just talk isk, characters, ingame sales, etc. We talk who is the person, whats his behaviour in perspective(So we look at everything we can find), etc. etc. etc. Meta gaming is VERY important, and its what makes the market what it is. Its got HUGE Impact on ingame prices for instance, and its got importance to who survives the game, be it gathering IP addresses in a sneaky way out of game to prove something, its all legal. You would be disgusted if you knew some people do with out of game information. But live with it. The forums aren't seen as a different part of eve. You can scam on the forums too, you are allowed to do this. The fact of the matter is that out of game resources were used to pin a tag on someone who played by CCP's rules, which is BS. The fact that you have friends on IRC or on MSN/YM with whom you talk when you are at work instead of logging into your eve account does not excuse what he did. As for live with it, i cannot live with it. At the very least eve-poker should have a disclaimer for the crap it pulled. Failgeddon wrecks CCP for XXX annoyed customers !
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.18 15:08:00 - [164] Originally by: Setana Manoro Edited by: Setana Manoro on 18/10/2007 15:07:40 Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Setana Manoro but if you found him out by comparing out of game stuff, then you are pretty much a worthless piece of **** in my book. You realise that in the case of most of the bigger traders and guys in the industry, out of game(metagaming) takes up QUITE a bit. I do more deals out of the client, than inside it(Its finalized ingame of course). We dont get the tools in the user interface ingame, so we create more out of our sand in the sandbox. The forums is an out of game tool which is most important. If the forums werent here, alot of the stuff we see today, be it ebank, IPO's or whatever, wouldnt be there. But the forums, third party services, be it whatever, is important information. We dont just talk isk, characters, ingame sales, etc. We talk who is the person, whats his behaviour in perspective(So we look at everything we can find), etc. etc. etc. Meta gaming is VERY important, and its what makes the market what it is. Its got HUGE Impact on ingame prices for instance, and its got importance to who survives the game, be it gathering IP addresses in a sneaky way out of game to prove something, its all legal. You would be disgusted if you knew some people do with out of game information. But live with it. The forums aren't seen as a different part of eve. You can scam on the forums too, you are allowed to do this. The fact of the matter is that out of game resources were used to pin a tag on someone who played by CCP's rules, which is BS. The fact that you have friends on IRC or on MSN/YM with whom you talk when you are at work instead of logging into your eve account does not excuse what he did. As for live with it, i cannot live with it. At the very least eve-poker should have a disclaimer for the crap it pulled. And because i cannot live with it, i am going to link this thread into each eve-poker add i see, each eve-poker thread i find, and say that your details can and will be abused by the owners and users of eve-poker. But do we agree in any case, its meta gaming? Be it forums or eve poker? Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.18 15:25:00 - [165] Edited by: Setana Manoro on 18/10/2007 15:27:49 Edited by: Setana Manoro on 18/10/2007 15:27:00 The eve-o forums belong to CCP and in a way are part of the eve-o world. Eve-Poker is not. Read the TOS, rule #18 "You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriber’s personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.". Though no personal details have been published, it was "proven" to have general starscream as his alt by out of game resources that are not used by CCP, and by using these resources, Curzon also went against rule #15 "You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules.", because his enjoyment of the game has been destroyed. If i were Fiona, i would petition Curzon right now, admit General is my alt and ask that Curzon be banned for publishing details that ruined his enjoyment of the game. Banning or not, what he pulled there is very low. PS: Even CCP looks at the EVE World and website as linked, if you read the way rules #18 and #15 are formulated. EVE-Poker is not seen as such. Failgeddon wrecks CCP for XXX annoyed customers !
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.18 15:29:00 - [166] Originally by: Setana Manoro Curzon also went against rule #15 "You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules.", because his enjoyment of the game has been destroyed. No, Starscream CHOSE to use a third party service with no CCP sanctioning. He chooses to do so, so he accepted the risks. This is also labelled in the EULA somewhere. You do realise that anything outside of Eve can log your IP don't you? Isk Selling sites, The EBANK site www.eve-central.com www.eve-db.com www.eve-files.com Every website you have ever been too that is not owned by CCP can have it's owners logging your IP address. CCP do it as well but obviously they won't give it out. Much like in real life when you send out mail. You have your reply address on the rear of the envelope. If you choose to send to someone, don't be surprised if they happen to know your RL address once they recieve the information. If you don't like that your IP can be logged, don't play. Same with everything else affiliated with this game. You shouldn't need someone holding your hand in this case. Use your own judgement to make decisions and don't blame others for your (or in this case starscream)'s mistakes. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.18 15:48:00 - [167] Edited by: Setana Manoro on 18/10/2007 15:49:25 Will every website that has eve-related content out there log my adress and then ruin my gaming in EVE ? Because this is what Curzon did to the OP. The fact that the above mentioned sites have this ability - and i was discussing with a friend the awesome ability that ineve might have to find alts of someone on the same account, does not mean that they use it in some righteous induced vendetta. Failgeddon wrecks CCP for XXX annoyed customers !
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.18 15:52:00 - [168] Btw, in case you haven't noticed this. Failgeddon wrecks CCP for XXX annoyed customers !
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.18 16:00:00 - [169] Edited by: Shadarle on 18/10/2007 15:59:55 Originally by: Setana Manoro Read the TOS, rule #18 "You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberÆs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.". No personal information was given. So this was no violated. Originally by: Setana Manoro rule #15 "You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules.", because his enjoyment of the game has been destroyed. If i were Fiona, i would petition Curzon right now, admit General is my alt and ask that Curzon be banned for publishing details that ruined his enjoyment of the game. This rule has to be extremely loosely interpreted otherwise it is rife for abuse. If you pod me you're interfering with my ability to enjoy the game, so you should be banned right? If I try to start an IPO, which lets say is my lifelong dream and my one major enjoyment, and someone comes along and disproves my numbers and shows me to be a bad person to invest in, should that person be banned for critiquing my plan? This rule is unenforceable in this case. I believe the spirit of the rule is to stop intentional non-stop griefing. For example 5 players constantly track down the same player and wait for him to log in so they can kill him day after day after day. Even this though is hard to argue against as EVE is fairly open-ended. Pointing out statements which are believed to be true about someone is not "ruining their enjoyment of the game". And if it is then they just have too thin of skin. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
C601	Posted - 2007.10.18 16:12:00 - [170] Haha what a joke, Miss Fiona aka General Starscream. THATS FUNNY
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.18 16:27:00 - [171] Originally by: Setana Manoro Will every website that has eve-related content out there log my adress and then ruin my gaming in EVE ? Of course not, but every website has the ability to do so. Thinking it doesn't is foolish. But hey, you are saying that CCP shouldn't use known ISK account creation IP addresses to track ISK seller/buyer accounts as well aren't you? Because, CCP is utilising your IP address and then 'ruining' your gaming on Eve. Anyway, in case you missed it, he was pronounced an alt of starscream long before the verification came into play. The information was posted, and this was removed by CCP. That is fair enough that maybe an IP addy shouldn't be posted here. However, every time you go to ANY website on earth, you risk those people providing your IP addy to a hacker or someone intent on causing you grief etc. Take responsibility for your own actions. Quote: Because this is what Curzon did to the OP. Trolling is also against the EULA in Eve and you will find Starscream done this long before in an attempt to ruin Curzon's gaming experience. So by your own admission, Starscream should be the one banned. Quote: The fact that the above mentioned sites have this ability - and i was discussing with a friend the awesome ability that ineve might have to find alts of someone on the same account, does not mean that they use it in some righteous induced vendetta. Next time I get hit with a keylogger, remind me to send a letter to the only person who is responsible for it - myself. Everything in life has repercussions. Live by the right decisions or die by the wrong ones. This applies in Eve and in RL. Accept it or choose the aforementioned alternative. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
SitAtJita The Scope	Posted - 2007.10.18 16:31:00 - [172] Originally by: Setana Manoro Originally by: SitAtJita I mean, miss fiona, do you even know what a t2 bs is? Judging from what you say, you don't: Miss Fiona > buying all teir 2 bs at 80m Miss Fiona > they need to be deliverd close to jita Apparently you don't know what you are talking about. When someone says Tier 1 BS, he means ships like Typhoon, Dominix, Scorpion, Armageddon which ask for just Racial BS to 1. Tier 2 refers to Megathron, Tempest, Apocalypse, Raven that ask for Racial BS to 2, not that they are tech 2 like you are thinking right now. I noticed later, when Miss Fiona had already answered me in such a bad way that she only go to bury her IPO even more. On her answer, she said that those battleships are needed for t2 invention and manufacturing,, which is what a noob inventor would say, since it's not only not necesary to use a ship as item base when inventing, but in some cases is desirable not to use one. This only goes to show her cluelessness on invention and how she repeated like a parrot some stuff she had listened about invention. So why bother correcting my mistake? Had she answered in a reasonable way like you did, she could have saved some face, but she didn't.
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.18 17:42:00 - [173] Originally by: SitAtJita Originally by: Setana Manoro Originally by: SitAtJita I mean, miss fiona, do you even know what a t2 bs is? Judging from what you say, you don't: Miss Fiona > buying all teir 2 bs at 80m Miss Fiona > they need to be deliverd close to jita Apparently you don't know what you are talking about. When someone says Tier 1 BS, he means ships like Typhoon, Dominix, Scorpion, Armageddon which ask for just Racial BS to 1. Tier 2 refers to Megathron, Tempest, Apocalypse, Raven that ask for Racial BS to 2, not that they are tech 2 like you are thinking right now. I noticed later, when Miss Fiona had already answered me in such a bad way that she only go to bury her IPO even more. On her answer, she said that those battleships are needed for t2 invention and manufacturing,, which is what a noob inventor would say, since it's not only not necesary to use a ship as item base when inventing, but in some cases is desirable not to use one. This only goes to show her cluelessness on invention and how she repeated like a parrot some stuff she had listened about invention. So why bother correcting my mistake? Had she answered in a reasonable way like you did, she could have saved some face, but she didn't. You really have no clue. the teir to is the 2 lvl of any racial battelship. teir and tech 2 are very diffrent. you need a teir 2 battelship to build any of the new tech 2 battelships. just like anyother tech2 ship in game. get a clue befor you post pls.
bluejeansandpudding	Posted - 2007.10.18 18:16:00 - [174] Originally by: Miss Fiona You really have no clue. the teir to is the 2 lvl of any racial battelship. teir and tech 2 are very diffrent. you need a teir 2 battelship to build any of the new tech 2 battelships. just like anyother tech2 ship in game. get a clue befor you post pls. He was defending you...
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.18 20:00:00 - [175] lol ye right.
SitAtJita The Scope	Posted - 2007.10.18 20:05:00 - [176] Originally by: Miss Fiona lol ye right. Ohnoes, she's onto me!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.18 22:09:00 - [177] Edited by: Akita T on 18/10/2007 22:10:07 Just to set a few records straigth, and to make sure Miss Fiona GETS the right idea if per chance this would somehow actually be a legitimate investment. __ When inventing a certain racial Marauder (say the Caldari Golem), you need : * 1 racial (Caldari) ship data interface, never used, never locked in * a 1-run or a 10-run BPC (anything in between is USELESS) of a tier 2 battleship (i.e. Raven) ; for a Black Ops you'd need a tier 1 battleship BPC (i.e. Scorpion) ; used up in attempt * 32 racial (Caldari) starship engineering and 32 mechanical engineering datacores * EITHER a +4 or a +9 runs decryptor (i.e. Installation Guide or Interface Alignment Chart in this case) ; used up in attempt * NO BASE T1 SHIP ! Using a Raven as optional item here is monumentally stupid as it does not add anything but uses up loads of ISK Now, at best skills, you'll need to do this around 12 times on average to get just ONE result (with the +9 runs decryptor), be it a 9-run copy (if you used 1-run BPC) or a 10-run copy (if you used a 10-run BPC)... or around 4 times on average to get a result with the +4 runs decryptor (4 runs with 1-run BPC, 5 runs with 10-runs BPC). Of course, you COULD get 20 failures in a row for the +9 runs decryptor and only the 21st would yield a result... or you could get a result from the first try... everything is possible, just not LIKELY. Overall, those are the rough ballpark figures to expect. So, in order to ALMOST GUARANTEE success, you have to be pretty well stocked-up on resources and willing to run a large number of jobs to even out the flukes and get a steady "income stream". __ Now, look at this, and tell me you even had something remotely similar explained anywhere in here. And see why everybody tells you your plan sucks... and that it's NOT only because of improper use of spelling/grammar, highly bizzare arguments (to say the least) and general hostility towards pretty much anybody that posted in here so far. Besides, all of this is just scratching the surface of the issue, namely where you'd get the T1 BPCs from, if you already have the interfaces or not, how your stockpiles of "consumables" looks like, wether you're running a NPC station bussiness, a lowsec POS, or a highsec POS... and so on and so forth, to name but a few things you completely disregarded and failed to show even a remotely decent knowledge of so far. _ 1\|2\|3
Richard Kitan United Space Republic Research	Posted - 2007.10.19 03:42:00 - [178] Originally by: Akita T Now, look at this, and tell me you even had something remotely similar explained anywhere in here. While I think this is among the worst IPOs I've seen, and is likley a scam - a recent post from OP said "you need a teir 2 battelship to build any of the new tech 2 battelships." Which is correct - once you have the BPC of the Tech 2 BS, you are going to require the Tech 1 base item to build the final product. I think this is what she really meant when saying that tier 2 battleships would be required, she just did a rather poor job of explaining what she was getting at. -- Richard Kitan Builder of Stuff
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.19 11:12:00 - [179] Like I've mentioned, even that is not quite totally correct... you only need a tier 2 BS for the marauders, all black ops (which are T2 BSs too) are tier 1 based _ 1\|2\|3
Investigador Caldari Hator inc The Omni Federation	Posted - 2007.10.19 11:22:00 - [180] Edited by: Investigador on 19/10/2007 11:25:37 Originally by: Richard Kitan "you need a teir 2 battelship to build any of the new tech 2 battelships." Which is correct - once you have the BPC of the Tech 2 BS, you are going to require the Tech 1 base item to build the final product. I think this is what she really meant when saying that tier 2 battleships would be required, she just did a rather poor job of explaining what she was getting at. No. She was saying that the battleships are needed both for invention and building of the new tech 2 battelships. until she was corrected here. I'm afraid that you quoted the post where she was answering to the post correcting her. This is the sort of thing I was pointing out. She is just changing her history as flaws are pointed out. And those flaws shouldn't appear on the first place if she really had the experience she claims to have. EDIT: linked to correction post
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.29 04:45:00 - [181] I never said we where going to use Ships for invention. i said it is used for it. dont mean we are going to do it, flame some where else pls. we are stil selling shares and our plans are going well.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.29 04:51:00 - [182] How many shares are still available? Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Hanoi Hana Mitsubishi Group	Posted - 2007.10.29 06:01:00 - [183] If I had a friend who was at least thinking about investing, can you give some updated information?
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.29 07:18:00 - [184] Since things are going well and you have investors, I too will invest. I have up to 10 billion isk to invest as soon as you post a report of profits earned so far, investment gained so far, and get a few current investors to post about their satisfaction so far. Assuming this is all above boards I will decide how much of that 10 billion I will invest. The amount will be based on the level of detail you show in your reporting. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Investigador Caldari Hator inc The Omni Federation	Posted - 2007.10.29 09:41:00 - [185] Edited by: Investigador on 29/10/2007 09:43:33 Originally by: Miss Fiona I never said we where going to use Ships for invention. i said it is used for it. dont mean we are going to do it, flame some where else pls. Yes, you did say it. ----> "the battleships are needed BOTH for invention and building of the new tech 2 battelships.". See? You are asking players to trust you with isks. If you can't even accept your own mistakes then you are not giving a good image of trust. (on an apart, why the heck i'm teaching this guy how to earn trust on what looks as a scam? ) Originally by: Miss Fiona we are stil selling shares and our plans are going well. Yeah, yeah, it's cool for me. Just show some proof. Because, believe it or not, you would still get investment on your IPO, even after all this thread and the other thread, if you could just show some proof that you are actually preparing yourself for inventing those new T2 BS in a serious way. (there are lots of rich bored people on EVE, u know) P.D.: hey, lots of guys invested on Shar Tergal's mistery IPO, after all.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2007.10.29 10:34:00 - [186] Originally by: Investigador P.D.: hey, lots of guys invested on Shar Tergal's mistery IPO, after all. All the difference in the world. It's A GIRL!!!!!
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.30 15:24:00 - [187] We where dead on of our jugding of the build cost of the new ships, Investors are still needed to support a lager build scale, If you wish to invest and cant get a hold of anyone, send the isk to the corp, with a mail to me.
Richard Kitan United Space Republic Research	Posted - 2007.10.31 00:44:00 - [188] Originally by: Miss Fiona We where dead on of our jugding of the build cost of the new ships, Investors are still needed to support a lager build scale, If you wish to invest and cant get a hold of anyone, send the isk to the corp, with a mail to me. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=613264&page=7#191 Address this post and people might feel a bit more confident in investing in your venture. -- Richard Kitan Builder of Stuff
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.31 01:03:00 - [189] Originally by: Miss Fiona We where dead on of our jugding of the build cost of the new ships, Investors are still needed to support a lager build scale, If you wish to invest and cant get a hold of anyone, send the isk to the corp, with a mail to me. Since you did not answer my questions I will not be investing my 10 billion with you. Sorry, I am investing it elsewhere now. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
SiJira	Posted - 2007.10.31 02:38:00 - [190] i would deposit 500 000 if there was no minimum ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.31 08:42:00 - [191] Sorry for that Shadarle, we have not made a profit yet. so theres really no info on profits or any feed back for current investors. but i will make sure to make a update once we start.
Investigador Caldari Hator inc The Omni Federation	Posted - 2007.10.31 10:22:00 - [192] Originally by: Miss Fiona Sorry for that Shadarle, we have not made a profit yet. so theres really no info on profits or any feed back from current investors. but i will make sure to make a update once we start. You were asked to get current investors to give their feedback on this thread.
Shadarles	Posted - 2007.10.31 15:27:00 - [193] Originally by: Miss Fiona Sorry for that Shadarle, we have not made a profit yet. so theres really no info on profits or any feed back for current investors. but i will make sure to make a update once we start. You stated you had investors, yet you now state there is no information. You have lied either just here and now or in the past when you said there were investors. Lying is a bad trait for an IPO runner. List every shareholder, list the total shares sold, and list any other information in regards to current progress. This is your only prayer of getting future investors.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.31 18:29:00 - [194] It's almost hard to believe this... 'venture'... is still even going on.
Ricdic's Hoe	Posted - 2007.10.31 18:39:00 - [195] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan It's almost hard to believe this... 'venture'... is still even going on. Well he has stated it's guaranteed after all.

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