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Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:06:00 - [121] Originally by: Dr Slurm First off the only IPO I've released was free. Second I do know what I'm talking about unlike yourself. I've written several real life Business Plans. People want to see the numbers you are using to justify the profit you think you can realize. They want proof you've put more into this then what has been seen so far. You strike me to be about the age of 13 or so. Just a guess. Ok Mr real life. First of EvE is not real life. even if you can write something that looks good dont mean that its a good plan.And even if it looks bad dont mean that its a bad plan. The line of the plan have been stated at the start of the post. you could take the time to read it, if you would like to know. and im 23. not 13, even tho my english skills arent the best,i feel i presnt this in a good way, i wish alot of you could give good advice like Ri, or Hex.
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:07:00 - [122] Originally by: Investigador Edited by: Investigador on 17/10/2007 21:06:45 Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Dr Slurm Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: Matalino Originally by: Miss Fiona he has not been online at the same time as me. so i havent been able to talk with him. I have sent you an evemail with my email address. Send me you business plan and supporting documents so that I can review them. Even if you do not see me online, please send the business plan. I will not disclose the specifics to anyone, and I will give you a chance to answer questions and address concerns before I post my review of the plan. No i will not send you any info on hotmail. in game only, or you could read the main post. I really hope no one is foolish enough to invest in you. You've been given every chance to make a case for yourself, but you just look shadier and shadier with each post. No no no, you are all wrong. 1. Post that nobody else from your corp is allowed to post in the thread 2. Then take an alt, write "Im a miner in the corp" 3. A jackass quotes that 4. Then edit the post to say "Hmf" 5. Say that everybody is wrong 6. ???? 7. PROFIT! And then finding that this "miner" has made only posts, one of them being an alt post to trick people to invest on a nyxlottery being hold by a General Starscream's alt. Well, this really makes it for me. This is a scam, and Miss Fiona is is a General Starscream's alt, and this bond is a Ponzi scam, trying to get as much people as posible to invest before tranfering the isk to General Starscream and deleting the char. Definitely, a big sloppy If he deletes the character, he will get banned and have his ass handed to him by CCP Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:09:00 - [123] Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: Dr Slurm First off the only IPO I've released was free. Second I do know what I'm talking about unlike yourself. I've written several real life Business Plans. People want to see the numbers you are using to justify the profit you think you can realize. They want proof you've put more into this then what has been seen so far. You strike me to be about the age of 13 or so. Just a guess. Ok Mr real life. First of EvE is not real life. even if you can write something that looks good dont mean that its a good plan.And even if it looks bad dont mean that its a bad plan. The line of the plan have been stated at the start of the post. you could take the time to read it, if you would like to know. and im 23. not 13, even tho my english skills arent the best,i feel i presnt this in a good way, i wish alot of you could give good advice like Ri, or Hex. In such case you are pretty.. no, im not gonna do the joke Tank CEO made But to be fair, age doesnt matter. You would be suprised about my age Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:10:00 - [124] Originally by: Miss Fiona How so Mat? you dont give anything to support what you say. Actually it seems it is you that does not support what you say and you're the one asking for money, they are merely trying to give you some advice. I personally think they should have given up on you a while back as it clearly was a waste of their time. You do not wish to, or have the ability to, do what it takes to run an IPO. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:10:00 - [125] Originally by: Matalino Originally by: Miss Fiona How so Mat? you dont give anything to support what you say. What support do you want? Do you want Ricdic to post saying that he has read over my plan and is happy with the level of detail? Done Do you want people to post here saying that you need to provide more details to gain the trust of potential investors? What do you think that past 4 pages of this thread have been about? EvEen so Matalino he might like the Detail of it, but it dont mean thats a good plan. if you wish i could take a look at your plan, and do what you have done in this thread. Most posers in this thread are clueless trolling people. they post alot of things, that are just wrong. most of them dont even know how invention works. I have done alot of invention in the past, and have tested it alot of the test server on the new ships.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:14:00 - [126] Originally by: Miss Fiona First of EvE is not real life. even if you can write something that looks good dont mean that its a good plan.And even if it looks bad dont mean that its a bad plan. While this is just a game, the game is based on real life. Combat players need displine and co-ordination to function. All of the things that go into implementing an effective real world war, go into implementing a war in Eve. Same goes for the market community. The standard of planning set and expected by the community is on par with the real world. We are far more relaxed about the presentation, but you still need to prove that the plan is there in detail, even if it is not presented with all the fancy slides. If you can't back up your business, with a plan, then don't expect any support. If you are unwilling to play the market game as the rules have come to dictate, then don't be suprised if you don't get a warm welcome. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:14:00 - [127] Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Miss Fiona How so Mat? you dont give anything to support what you say. Actually it seems it is you that does not support what you say and you're the one asking for money, they are merely trying to give you some advice. I personally think they should have given up on you a while back as it clearly was a waste of their time. You do not wish to, or have the ability to, do what it takes to run an IPO. Shadarle not less than 20% of the post are Advice the rest are trolling about things they know nothing about. i do take the Advice here to the heart, but not all of it. I dont think you know anything about what our crop can do,we can run this bond,we have the Ability, and we wish for it everyday.
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:15:00 - [128] lol we do have a plan, go to page 1 and read.
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:20:00 - [129] Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: Dr Slurm First off the only IPO I've released was free. Second I do know what I'm talking about unlike yourself. I've written several real life Business Plans. People want to see the numbers you are using to justify the profit you think you can realize. They want proof you've put more into this then what has been seen so far. You strike me to be about the age of 13 or so. Just a guess. Ok Mr real life. First of EvE is not real life. even if you can write something that looks good dont mean that its a good plan.And even if it looks bad dont mean that its a bad plan. The line of the plan have been stated at the start of the post. you could take the time to read it, if you would like to know. and im 23. not 13, even tho my english skills arent the best,i feel i presnt this in a good way, i wish alot of you could give good advice like Ri, or Hex. You can feel all you want, but you have NOT presented (notice the spelling) this business plan in a good way at all. In fact it was a **** poor presentation. We are giving great advice. That advice is not to invest in your scam. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:21:00 - [130] i dont see how spelling has anything to do with it. oh look shes not english it must be a scam, this seem to be the main tought in your mind.
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:24:00 - [131] Originally by: Miss Fiona i dont see how spelling has anything to do with it. oh look shes not english it must be a scam, this seem to be the main tought in your mind. You are correct spelling has nothing to do with it. It just happens to be the icing on the cake. Every time I read one of your posts it feels like my eyes will bleed because I'm reading your poor English. If you cared enough about this IPO you would take the time to at least get your grammar correct, let alone punctuation. Your presentation is horrible even when not considering your grammar and spelling ability. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:27:00 - [132] Originally by: Miss Fiona Im Starting to think that some of you dont know what you are talking about. you seem to be trolling to boost your own ipo. The Plan dont need to be laid out on power point to work.as long as the ide and planning is good, it will work and turn out a nice profit for the investors. Sorry but you just lost any chance I was willing to give for you to prove yourself or turn things around. I have no doubt in my mind this is a scam and strongly recommend people don't go near it. Failure to answer questions correctly, failure to provide more information as you said you would, lack of knowledge to run any form of public venture, and a crappy attitude that history has shown always works badly for the investors. Plus, yet another affiliation with Starscream has popped up on this page. You may as well go to Jita and offer people 10x their isk back. You have far more chance of making 30b than you do off us. Game over Fiona. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:28:00 - [133] Originally by: Miss Fiona EvEen so Matalino he might like the Detail of it, but it dont mean thats a good plan. if you wish i could take a look at your plan, and do what you have done in this thread. Perhaps it is not a good plan. I think that it is. Ricdic probably wouldn't have invested in it if he didn't think that it was good. Ultimately time will show if the assumptions that I made are well founded. As for me sharing my plan with you, it requires that I trust you, which at this point I do not. I cannot justify risking my plan failing because of compition due to disclosing it to potential competitors. So with the interest of protecting my investors, I will not disclose the details of my plan to you. As for you disclosing your to me, this requires you to trust me. It is still possible for you to trust me even if I do not currently return that trust. Just as I had to extend trust to Ricdic when giving him the details of my plan. It was a risk that I had to take to gain the trust of the community. I don't know if Ricdic trusted me at that point, or to what extent he trusts me now. Ultimately it didn't matter if he trusted me, as long as my trust in him was not misplaced. For your venture to be acceptable to most investors, you are going to need to have it reviewed by someone with wider held trust. If that is me or someone else is up to you to decide. But do not expect much support until you show more transparancy with some form of third party review. I have already stated that I do not feel that I have the expertise to confirm if your plan is a good or bad plan. What I have offered to do is to confirm that the plan appears to have enough detail to warrant further review. As it is, the way that you have responded to inquiries, has degraded the amount of trust that people hold for you to the point that I don't expect that anyone with the expertise would review your plan. It is possible that it is already now beyond the point where even if I recommened your plan for further review, there would be nobody willing to do so. You are quickly reaching the point, where you will have destroyed your credibilty so much that I will need to withdraw my offer to review your plan. As it is, I will give you one last chance to use me as a third party observer. Originally by: Miss Fiona Most posers in this thread are clueless trolling people. they post alot of things, that are just wrong. most of them dont even know how invention works. I have done alot of invention in the past, and have tested it alot of the test server on the new ships. I think that there are few if any trolls posting in your thread. Most are simply fustrated with your responses to their honest questions. You have not presented yourself well. The lack of presentation can be forgiven, if you have the business sense and honesty to pull off a successful venture. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:36:00 - [134] Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Miss Fiona Im Starting to think that some of you dont know what you are talking about. you seem to be trolling to boost your own ipo. The Plan dont need to be laid out on power point to work.as long as the ide and planning is good, it will work and turn out a nice profit for the investors. Sorry but you just lost any chance I was willing to give for you to prove yourself or turn things around. I have no doubt in my mind this is a scam and strongly recommend people don't go near it. Failure to answer questions correctly, failure to provide more information as you said you would, lack of knowledge to run any form of public venture, and a crappy attitude that history has shown always works badly for the investors. Plus, yet another affiliation with Starscream has popped up on this page. You may as well go to Jita and offer people 10x their isk back. You have far more chance of making 30b than you do off us. Game over Fiona. lol shut up troll face. you know nothing about this. you all take some words and twist it to something else. i have said alot of times, that i will proive any info i can in game if anyone wish to know more.
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:37:00 - [135] Matalino im not a scammer like you.
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:38:00 - [136] Edited by: Dr Slurm on 17/10/2007 21:38:17 Originally by: Miss Fiona Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Miss Fiona Im Starting to think that some of you dont know what you are talking about. you seem to be trolling to boost your own ipo. The Plan dont need to be laid out on power point to work.as long as the ide and planning is good, it will work and turn out a nice profit for the investors. Sorry but you just lost any chance I was willing to give for you to prove yourself or turn things around. I have no doubt in my mind this is a scam and strongly recommend people don't go near it. Failure to answer questions correctly, failure to provide more information as you said you would, lack of knowledge to run any form of public venture, and a crappy attitude that history has shown always works badly for the investors. Plus, yet another affiliation with Starscream has popped up on this page. You may as well go to Jita and offer people 10x their isk back. You have far more chance of making 30b than you do off us. Game over Fiona. lol shut up troll face. you know nothing about this. you all take some words and twist it to something else. i have said alot of times, that i will proive any info i can in game if anyone wish to know more. LOL. Maybe you could consider acting like you are 23. That post right there is the last nail in your coffin. You loose. P.S. The only troll here is an alt of General Starscream. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:42:00 - [137] Fine then dont invest DR troll
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:43:00 - [138] Originally by: Miss Fiona Fine then dont invest DR troll Its kind of odd that you thought I might possibly. Don't worry your childish antics screaming scam in other peoples threads will go unheeded because your word is worthless. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:46:00 - [139] Edited by: Matalino on 17/10/2007 21:48:26 Originally by: Miss Fiona Matalino im not a scammer like you. With that, I formally withdraw my offer to review this offer any further. I cannot see any reason to post in this thread any further. Others have already posted stating what they think of the quality of this IPO. My opinion is now completely inline with that of Dr Slurm, LaVista Vista, Ricdic, Shadarle and the other senior members of the investment community. I think that every reasonable effort has been made to allow Miss Fiona to prove herself, and she has choosen not to do so. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:47:00 - [140] This thread has turned to gold /me thinking of setting up a charity fund to go towards mercenary war vs NTG, but wonder if it would be wrong on his corpmates. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:48:00 - [141] Originally by: Ricdic This thread has turned to gold /me thinking of setting up a charity fund to go towards mercenary war vs NTG, but wonder if it would be wrong on his corpmates. Posting in another epic thread. Don't you mean alts? <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:53:00 - [142] I am on to you all NTG Now declers you all the "ipo" scammers of eve. WAR i have answerd everything, yet you keep trolling away, and most of you are contected to other ipo, or run them your self. those are unlike our bond offer, tottal scams, and we at NTG will blow you all out of the sky, if you wish to fight dirty fourm wars, thats fine, we will do our best to tell the honest story of how ZZZ alliance are scammers.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:54:00 - [143] Fiona has now officially decided to stop trying to convince people. It seems she realizes she has been figured out. And to make matters worse Fiona has started posting in other threads calling them scams. Now she is just a flat out troll as well as a SCAM. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:55:00 - [144] Edited by: Dr Slurm on 17/10/2007 22:03:32 Originally by: Miss Fiona I am on to you all NTG Now declers you all the "ipo" scammers of eve. WAR i have answerd everything, yet you keep trolling away, and most of you are contected to other ipo, or run them your self. those are unlike our bond offer, tottal scams, and we at NTG will blow you all out of the sky, if you wish to fight dirty fourm wars, thats fine, we will do our best to tell the honest story of how ZZZ alliance are scammers. OMG! In that case I take it all back. You are obviously a very reasonable person... ...who makes me laugh uncontrollably. <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:01:00 - [145] Originally by: Miss Fiona I am on to you all NTG Now declers you all the "ipo" scammers of eve. WAR i have answerd everything, yet you keep trolling away, and most of you are contected to other ipo, or run them your self. those are unlike our bond offer, tottal scams, and we at NTG will blow you all out of the sky, if you wish to fight dirty fourm wars, thats fine, we will do our best to tell the honest story of how ZZZ alliance are scammers. Well the ZZZ alliance is a bunch of scammers, that's for sure! But I'm not in ZZZ so you're leaving me out :( Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:01:00 - [146] Edited by: Ricdic on 17/10/2007 22:02:37 Originally by: Miss Fiona we will do our best to tell the honest story of how ZZZ alliance are scammers. I feel privelidged that you have chosen Zzz over all the other 'trolls' in this thread. One thing though. The 'trolls' you mention in this thread represent your target market. They are the ones who would buy your shares if they felt comfortable in them, or their questions were answered correctly. Throwing a tantrum and calling them names because no-one falls for your scam is stupid. edit, you haven't put your scam post on any EBANK threads yet btw. You failed. We gave you every opportunity to start on even ground and when you realised your scam wouldn't work you resorted to abuse. I won't reduce myself to your childish namecalling games but I will continue enjoying the drama you add to this thread. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Miss Fiona Gallente Nexus Trading guild	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:26:00 - [147] we made a nice plan, worked weeks on resarch and everything, and days on the plan and layout of the post.What do we get? minless clueless people trolling trollling i tell you. and whom are they? its people that run other ipo, or investment things. honest corps gets pushed out, while the scammers run around and post every honest corp there is. well no more, we will fight you.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:35:00 - [148] Originally by: Miss Fiona we made a nice plan, worked weeks on resarch and everything, and days on the plan and layout of the post.What do we get? minless clueless people trolling trollling i tell you. 1. This plan is not nice, it is severely lacking. 2. If it took you weeks of research then you obviously haven't demonstrated why. Everything you've posted I could write in 30 minutes with 0 work. You've posted no proof or details of anything. 3. Calling some of the most respected and biggest investors in EVE minless, while not actually a word, is quite silly if you're wanting people to invest in you. Originally by: Miss Fiona and whom are they? its people that run other ipo, or investment things. I do not run an IPO or an "investment thing". Though I must say seeing you call them "investment things" is quite a confidence booster in your intelligence. Originally by: Miss Fiona while the scammers run around and post every honest corp there is. I find it quite ironic that you, of all people, would say this while you are personally going around to other posts and calling them scams. It seems you wrote this line about yourself. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
3535325385hdgsbndgsdjg	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:39:00 - [149] we would like to endorse this scam as a very profitable venture. Surely 100% of everything will be returned to you by yesterday if you invest less than anything into this reasonable idea. Oh wait...
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:47:00 - [150] Originally by: Miss Fiona we made a nice plan We? No-one but you has come forward. The only other person that did so, is an alt of General Starscream. Where are the other people? Now is the time to have them post here. Quote: worked weeks on resarch and everything, and days on the plan and layout of the post. I could see that a little effort was put into it. But if you have no spreadsheets or documents of any kind, just evemails and in-game conversations, then I would be NOT investing, due to a high chance of failure (read: not the scam aspect). The 2 key aspects we (as prospective shareholders) look for in a business are trustworhiness and chance to succeed. Both don't always need to be 100% filled, sometimes you can leverage one for another, or find alternate methods to fill in the gaps. But one of those two aspects HAS to be fulfilled. Your trustworthiness has been zero from the start. An unknown alt only linked to a scammer main. So you needed a spectacular business plan to balance the scales. Your business plan was poor to say the least. It had inconsistencies, changes that needed making, early bird offers(wtf) and the likes. You offered no allowance for securities, refused to provide a simple email address for someone looking to read the business plan and frankly haven't answered any of the real questions I put forth to you in an acceptable manner. Quote: What do we get? minless clueless people trolling trollling i tell you. Whilst I won't speak for myself, the people who have spoken in this thread would account for some of the highest economical personalities in this game. People with proven personal success, some on the road to corporate and public success and the likes. Many of whom are large corporate investors who you want to have on your side and not against you. I personally hold shares and bonds in other people's corporations to the tune of 16 billion isk. Your success or failure has no benefit whatsoever to me as an owner of a research corporation, a capital ship corporation, and a banking corporation. My questions were all from a prospective investor's point of view. So, you lost a potential shareholder in me. The potential for this was probably lost 3 pages ago but I decided to stick with you a bit longer and see if you could turn things around. Unfortunately you went the other way and dug yourself a hole that your character will never be able to climb out of. Quote: honest corps gets pushed out Unfortuntely, you have only 1 person to blame. Your corporation has only 1 person to blame. Do you really think the 40 or so different people who have posted in this thread are 'all out to get you'? Or do you think maybe they are all speaking on similar lines because they all feel the same way? If there are other members of your corp (not alts) that feel they have been hard done by, I would recommend that they take immediate action, that in leaving the corporation, as even having employment history stating they have been in NTG may be a permanent red cross on their name. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here

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