Oh, and everyone, dont forget to re-activate your blink notification as soon as this chat-icon-full-of-annoyance is gone!

I've put every icon I can on the neocom, they're not autohiding into a group. Do I need to lower my screen resolution?

I've put every icon I can on the neocom, they're not autohiding into a group. Do I need to lower my screen resolution?

windows mode , or open a few cans

Don't the chat windows minimize into this chat icon? What happens to that once the icon is gone?

Don't the chat windows minimize into this chat icon? What happens to that once the icon is gone?

They minimize into a new icon, each chat window into its own if you have multiples. Once you restore them again, the icon dissappears from the neocom, just as it should.

You can no longer find these stacks anywhere. You have to leave a channel from a given stack and rejoin it to make the stack reappear again.

Also, once you've removed that chat icon, you can't put it back.

Don't the chat windows minimize into this chat icon? What happens to that once the icon is gone?

Thanks.

I like this much better. Sounds like you can have your minimized chat window back with one click.

Edit:

So you don't get the individual icons for minimized chat windows like Borlag Crendraven seems to have?

You'll only get an icon in the neocom if it has one of the un-closeable channels in it - Local, Corp, Alliance, Militia or Incursion.

Stacks without those will disappear unless you do the leave/rejoin trick or go find it in ctrl-tab listing.

There's a reason I've asked many times for the ability to toggle the un-closeable behavior that LCAMI channels have on any channel we want.

NICE!!! Thanks!

But...wheres my local chat now?

If you minimized it before removing that button, you can get it back via the ctrl-tab list.

Ah, that's one thing I couldn't have spotted. Have all corp/alliance related chats in one, local and intel in another so no matter which one I minimized, there'd be a un-closeable.

This 'feature' if working as intended just shows CCP DEVs are unaware of how chats are used at all by people in corps/alliances/ multi chat social fleet environments. the UI development failed in this account

Blinking fracking icons CCP? Two steps forward, one step back.

What frustrates me the most is that it is impossible that it got to general release without anyone ever saying "hey, that's annoying", so somebody must have overruled that thought and said "put it in anyway".

I wish there was a way to make a hammer hit that person in the head every time the icon blinked.

Ok i removed it.

How do i get it back?

We added the button to blink you all to oblivion, but you all outsmarted us once again ...

But, no, the button was not supposed to be removable. The blinking you all seem to love on the other hand was a mistake, and we're fixing that in the next patch; only minimized chat windows will make the button blink. We also recognize that the current design of how chat windows and the neocom play together is not as good as it should be, and we'll be looking into a better solution that takes chat grouping into account as well soon. And I mean soon, as in the actual meaning of that word. We're also making the chat channel entries much more compact which should make people with a high number of channels slightly happier.

I do not recommend removing the chat button as it may require you to reset your Neocom buttons at some point. It will, anyway, not be possible after next patch.

...the button was not supposed to be removable...

I do not recommend removing the chat button as it may require you to reset your Neocom buttons at some point. It will, anyway, not be possible after next patch.

What's wrong with you people? It's a button people don't like and don't want to such a degree they put effort into finding a way to get rid of the stupid thing. So your answer is to make that impossible and to force it on everyone again? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Do you guys not even know what customer relations ARE? Do you never learn? Stop trying to force things people don't want on your player base. It's not a hard concept.

We added the button to blink you all to oblivion, but you all outsmarted us once again ...

But, no, the button was not supposed to be removable. The blinking you all seem to love on the other hand was a mistake, and we're fixing that in the next patch; only minimized chat windows will make the button blink. We also recognize that the current design of how chat windows and the neocom play together is not as good as it should be, and we'll be looking into a better solution that takes chat grouping into account as well soon. And I mean soon, as in the actual meaning of that word. We're also making the chat channel entries much more compact which should make people with a high number of channels slightly happier.

I do not recommend removing the chat button as it may require you to reset your Neocom buttons at some point. It will, anyway, not be possible after next patch.

If you want to remove the chat icon from the Necom, here's how you do it:

1. Drag the chat icon to the bottom
2. Expand the size of the Neocom and/or add more stuff to the Neocom, so that the chat icon autohides.
3. Go into the new fold of hidden items, r-click icon, remove

Already did and I will am willing to remove my credit card details from this site also if you make this neocom crap cause me even single minute of reconfiguration on any of my clients again. I'm so fed up with entire thing already. Your team needs to get a grip and rethink about functionality over eye candy!

-> Roll the god damn thing back as it was or fix all the annoyances.
-> Put the default buttons as they were configured before the patch.
-> Let me minimize my windows to bottom of screen so I can see their labels,
-> I've gotten rid of the chat button. Make sure that the chat button will stay out.
-> Fix the contract button as it doesn't blink anymore when there is new contract.
-> Give me option to disable entire "windows menu" as I don't need it. All my all buttons will fit to one neocom row.
-> I don't want any new objects like cargo containers or scanners appearing to neocom - fix it!

The entire neocom was mistake. It does plenty of unimportant stuff with more clicks than before taking more memory than before and being harder to use and configure. It also doesn't offer all the features than the old one did and button placement is simply awful. Default stuff is hidden behind menus (like fleet and contracts) and user configured options from previous neocom were simply ignored and erased AGAIN.

I am pissed because this entire neocom together with ninja name changes to missiles pretty much ruined this patch, which had plenty of good things also. OTHER TEAMS DID THEIR JOB VERY WELL BUT YOU GUYS SCREWED UP! NOW DEAL WITH IT.

This made me smile even more about my "feat"

I-¦ve also noticed two minor bugs about the Neocom, regarding the "minimize" effect when a button is clicked. Of all the buttons currently available, only 2 buttons don't minimize correctly, namely:

• The fitting window. This window flickers just before it disappears.
• The browser. It doesn't minimize the content(perhaps make a temporary snapshot of the contents and shrink it with the window?)

Since almost all windows smoothly minimizes away, have you considered the opposite effect when one opens a window?

What's wrong with you people? It's a button people don't like and don't want to such a degree they put effort into finding a way to get rid of the stupid thing. So your answer is to make that impossible and to force it on everyone again? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Do you guys not even know what customer relations ARE? Do you never learn? Stop trying to force things people don't want on your player base. It's not a hard concept.

Aside from a couple of tweaks (that are for the most part already underway) the new NeoCom is excellent.

You, on the other hand, could use a bit of adjustment.

Aside from a couple of tweaks (that are for the most part already underway) the new NeoCom is excellent.

You, on the other hand, could use a bit of adjustment.

While you have the maintenance hatch open on the NeoCom can you please allow us to place book marks on the Neocom bar?

they are in the menu system but you can'r drag them out :-(

Thanks :-)

-CJ

People, for the most part, were upset with the blink behaviour... not the presence of the button itself. If they feel the need for it to remain there may very well be sound reasons for it technically.

If the blink behavior becomes useful and manageable, or able to turn it off completely, it's pretty silly to pitch a fit of certain buttons mandatorily stay in a fixed position... much like your browser or email client.

Naa... I rather emorage to the people who annoy me. I do pay for that.
Besides this post was very kind in my scale. I've done much worse during these couple days already.

If you like their excellence, you're free to - just don't showel your bs to my lawn.

Aside from a couple of tweaks (that are for the most part already underway) the new NeoCom is excellent.

You, on the other hand, could use a bit of adjustment.

Naa... I rather emorage to the people who annoy me. I do pay for that.
Besides this post was very kind in my scale. I've done much worse during these couple days already.

If you like their excellence, you're free to - just don't showel your bs to my lawn.

emo rage works in kindergarden but usually stops working as soon you grow up. If you can't give constructive feedback but you still care.. say nothing otherwise all it does is to demotivate people (and thats not what you want, since i suppose you want to play a good game).

If you do things well, you should be thanked. If you screw up, you should deal with it. I am not going to pretend that I like something just because by doing so I would make someone feel better. Besides that would only do harm to the guy who is behind this crap. He can't get any better if all the junk what comes out from the pipe is welcomed as pure excellence just because there is something new.

Here in finland we're used to tell the truth and spell it out loud. It is efficient and fair, but not always very polite or nice to listen. However it is my opinion and the raw truth only from my point of view. If someone wants to add some flowers and sugar - feel free to. It's not my thing with CCP any more. They have screwed up 10 too many times.

Demotivating? Maybe, but I think it as final wake up call at most. Other teams did great work for the patch (except the naming fiasco), so perhaps it would be wise lift the bar or face the inevitable. Optimals reply about chat button to this thread already revealed that he lives in old CCP world and is ready to bulldoze the road for any awesomeness he comes up with. What I think doesn't mean a *hit.

I still like to rage and consider it as mandatory requirement towards the future of this game as far as my few subscriptions make any difference. At least I have clear opinion and not trying to hide behind beautiful words.

If by "beautiful words" you mean honest, informed opinion... and if by "hide" you mean state it clearly and constructively.

Being rude, childish, and opinionated doesn't automatically make you correct nor lend your opinion any value what so ever. You are confusing honesty and frankness with crass behavior... and make it difficult to take your opinion seriously on any level. I have conversed at length with several individuals that hail from Finland over the years, and they had little difficulty telling the difference.

You've stated your opinion, and gotten your response. Time to get over it and move on.

Trying to wordplay with me doesn't end well because frankly and honestly, with unbelievable amount of respect, I don't care what you think about my opinion or the way I use to spell it out. You're not important enough. Now deal with it and move on.

We added the button to blink you all to oblivion, but you all outsmarted us once again ...

But, no, the button was not supposed to be removable. The blinking you all seem to love on the other hand was a mistake, and we're fixing that in the next patch; only minimized chat windows will make the button blink. We also recognize that the current design of how chat windows and the neocom play together is not as good as it should be, and we'll be looking into a better solution that takes chat grouping into account as well soon. And I mean soon, as in the actual meaning of that word. We're also making the chat channel entries much more compact which should make people with a high number of channels slightly happier.

I do not recommend removing the chat button as it may require you to reset your Neocom buttons at some point. It will, anyway, not be possible after next patch.

Chat Channels can be found in the Neocom menu under Social.

We added the button to blink you all to oblivion, but you all outsmarted us once again ...

But, no, the button was not supposed to be removable. The blinking you all seem to love on the other hand was a mistake, and we're fixing that in the next patch; only minimized chat windows will make the button blink. We also recognize that the current design of how chat windows and the neocom play together is not as good as it should be, and we'll be looking into a better solution that takes chat grouping into account as well soon. And I mean soon, as in the actual meaning of that word. We're also making the chat channel entries much more compact which should make people with a high number of channels slightly happier.

I do not recommend removing the chat button as it may require you to reset your Neocom buttons at some point. It will, anyway, not be possible after next patch.

If you do things well, you should be thanked. If you screw up, you should deal with it. I am not going to pretend that I like something just because by doing so I would make someone feel better. Besides that would only do harm to the guy who is behind this crap. He can't get any better if all the junk what comes out from the pipe is welcomed as pure excellence just because there is something new.

Here in finland we're used to tell the truth and spell it out loud. It is efficient and fair, but not always very polite or nice to listen. However it is my opinion and the raw truth only from my point of view. If someone wants to add some flowers and sugar - feel free to. It's not my thing with CCP any more. They have screwed up 10 too many times.

Demotivating? Maybe, but I think it as final wake up call at most. Other teams did great work for the patch (except the naming fiasco), so perhaps it would be wise lift the bar or face the inevitable. Optimals reply about chat button to this thread already revealed that he lives in old CCP world and is ready to bulldoze the road for any awesomeness he comes up with. What I think doesn't mean a *hit.

I still like to rage and consider it as mandatory requirement towards the future of this game as far as my few subscriptions make any difference. At least I have clear opinion and not trying to hide behind beautiful words.

Blinking fracking icons CCP? Two steps forward, one step back.

What frustrates me the most is that it is impossible that it got to general release without anyone ever saying "hey, that's annoying", so somebody must have overruled that thought and said "put it in anyway".

I wish there was a way to make a hammer hit that person in the head every time the icon blinked.

........

You should post this in the assembly hall :D

This brings up the window that you get when you click on the speech-bubble icon in a chat window, and is not the button that people are complaining about.


Reset our Neocom buttons? How and where? There is no option for this in the escape menu that doesn't destroy all of our other settings, nor is there an option on the neocom itself. Given how long it takes to fix all of the other things the last several times CCP has nuked our settings during a patch, I'm not willing to even consider that as a viable option.

The appropriate solution here consists of a few small things:

• Add the ability to disable blinking on individual buttons on the neocom. Let us pick which icons we want to blink, and which ones we don't.
• If people want to remove a button because they don't need it, or it annoys them, let them. What's the point of touting a customizable and reconfigurable user interface if it isn't possible to customize and reconfigure it to your liking?
• It doesn't matter what the button is, or whether it should be possible to remove it or not, it should be possible to find it in the E menu and add it back. Case in point, the chat button that has caused this mess in the first place.
• Chat windows - or stacks - should always minimize to the neocom separately from the chat button. Always.

It's worth noting that that chat button has other issues, particularly that people who have a lot of channels open can't even access them all through the button in the first place. The first level of the menu only shows a handful of channels. Then the second level of the menu (via the "n more..." item in the list) only shows some of the remaining channels, the list of which runs off both the top and bottom edges of the client and are inaccessible because you cannot scroll through the list.

Why exactly should we be not allowed to remove the Chat button? You may as well have not bothered making a "Customizable UI" at all if you're going to put arbitrary restrictions on it.

EDIT: Also, can you at least make the "default" new icons the same as the ones that were on the old Neocom (and in the same order)? It would help people get over the transition at least.

After today's patch you can right click the Neocom and select "Reset buttons".

After today's patch you can right click the Neocom and select "Reset buttons".

After today's patch you can right click the Neocom and select "Reset buttons".

Please make the blink work like it used to, blink a bit then stay highlighted after blinking for a couple seconds, then repeat the blink again on the next update :)

After today's patch you can right click the Neocom and select "Reset buttons".

Make the Chat button removeable, it's totally superfluous and it's very anoying!

Why you hate your Customers? Do we really have to petition everything to make you listen? Will you even listen after you read 400.000 petitions of the players concerning this totally idiotic move to make a worthless button non-removeable? Really? Ok.

Chat button should be removable. End of.

I'd also like things like cargo holds to minimise to the bottom of the screen, not to the new Neocom. I find the tabbed method of the old neocom *much* more user friendly.

Please make the blink work like it used to, blink a bit then stay highlighted after blinking for a couple seconds, then repeat the blink again on the next update :)

I just reupped one of my alt accounts to discover that this workaround was patched out (I did it successfully on my other accounts but not this one). I cannot fathom a reason for patching out a great workaround to something that annoys the entire population other than to say, "**** you guys, how dare you point out our mistakes and then fix them. IT IS WORKING AS INTENDED DEAL WITH IT." It made me glad that I didn't sub it more than 1 month at a time, because I'm transferring the assets and closing the account, just because of that. Petty maybe, but this is getting rediculous. You can't tout your shiny new hammer as a swiss army knife without looking like a great bit arse, which is essentially what they have done. Calling something that is in no way more functional than the old neocom as 'better' and 'customizable' when one or both of those claims are patently false is just a fraudulent claim, pure and simple.

I think you guys need a life, it's just a bloody button!

OH NOES TAHT BOTTUN INFRINGAS MAI CIVIL RIGHTS AND BREAKS TEH GENEVA CONVENTION!!!1!

deal with it and htfu for crying out loud..

Calling something that is in no way more functional than the old neocom as 'better' and 'customizable' when one or both of those claims are patently false is just a fraudulent claim, pure and simple.

Again, customizable does not mean "able to reconfigure every aspect".

The new Neo Com is much better in most respects, and is very costomizable. There is nothing "fraudulent" about this fact.

Again, customizable does not mean "able to reconfigure every aspect".

The new Neo Com is much better in most respects, and is very costomizable. There is nothing "fraudulent" about this fact.

Already did and I will am willing to remove my credit card details from this site also if you make this neocom crap cause me even single minute of reconfiguration on any of my clients again. I'm so fed up with entire thing already. Your team needs to get a grip and rethink about functionality over eye candy!

-> Roll the god damn thing back as it was or fix all the annoyances.
-> Put the default buttons as they were configured before the patch.
-> Let me minimize my windows to bottom of screen so I can see their labels,
-> I've gotten rid of the chat button. Make sure that the chat button will stay out.
-> Fix the contract button as it doesn't blink anymore when there is new contract.
-> Give me option to disable entire "windows menu" as I don't need it. All my all buttons will fit to one neocom row.
-> I don't want any new objects like cargo containers or scanners appearing to neocom - fix it!

The entire neocom was mistake. It does plenty of unimportant stuff with more clicks than before taking more memory than before and being harder to use and configure. It also doesn't offer all the features than the old one did and button placement is simply awful. Default stuff is hidden behind menus (like fleet and contracts) and user configured options from previous neocom were simply ignored and erased AGAIN.

I am pissed because this entire neocom together with ninja name changes to missiles pretty much ruined this patch, which had plenty of good things also. OTHER TEAMS DID THEIR JOB VERY WELL BUT YOU GUYS SCREWED UP! NOW DEAL WITH IT.

So we've gone from having minimised chat windows along the bottom of the screen with easily identifiable labels and channel count

Ok... So 3 years since my last post... Why am I posting now? To say that I absolutely hate the chat button being WTForced onto the neocom. Absolutely hate it...

As a side note, I also absolutely hate that wrecks open as a subtree to ship inventory. I mean its a good idea, but having to maximize and then minimize that God-awful "My Settings" tab for NO reason is VERY annoying... SERIOUSLY, right click > Settings PLEASE...

That is all...

It must drive you up a wall when a month has 31 days instead of 30.