Originally by: Industrial Witch

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Okay I've heard a few people say that PVP is all about the 'skill' and not about the ship/character, however it looks to me that pretty much all combat is like this:

1 - Orbit Target
2 - Switch modules on
3 - AFK a bit
4 - Better ship wins

No where's the skill in any of that? Unless of course when people refer to skill they mean the skill of setting up the better ship? Because that 'skill' is pretty limited frankly - it's far more to do with who has the most ISK and better trained (aka older) character.

So if anyone out there has a specific example of genuine skill winning a combat I'd like to see it please, because I don't believe it makes a a jot of difference.

It seems to me, even after only a little while playing EVE that this is a major problem that causes all sorts of other things.

'Better ship always wins' means that newer players have to buy ISK to get the better ship and stand a chance against the older players
'Worst death penalty in any MMO' means that all players have to buy ISK to deal with the constant attrition

Players buying ISK means that macro farmers are rife
Macro farmers everywhere means that prices go up
High prices means that players buy more ISK

and bingo! you have a spiralling ecomony

My suggestions:

Make insurance replace your entire ship plus modules plus cargo at only a 10-20% cost payable when they are replaced
Make pod killing a CONCORD response crime in high and lowsec space regardless of war declarations
Remove auto repeat ability from modules to make players actually have to press the keys occasionally

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Originally by: High Sierra

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note to self:
dont ever say anything to anyone on the internet about anything ever again.

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Originally by: CCP Morpheus

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Post with your alt.

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Originally by: Industrial Witch

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Yeah I thought I'd get a bunch of lrn2playn00b posts within 5 minutes - says an awful lot about the people on this forum

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• 1. fist of all not all ships can have an idenfinate tank
  
  2. there are tatical mods like tracking disruptors,sensor damps, nos, nuet, ecm, webbers that could mean the difference between winning and losing
  
  3. what if your range is 10km and his is 2km you will need to fight to keep that range.
  
  4. some ships require micro management like a vagabond, interceptor that require you to pay attention to the fight
  
  5. fighting rats is not the same as people
  
  6. fitting bigger guns leaves less room for a tank which might mean tanking or blowing up. vice versa for him
  
  7. how much does something cost. i can sell a rifter to a corp mate in 0.0 for cost or for 1mil due to demand while it is 250k
  or so in empire what do you get?
  
  8. ever used a gun that needs to be reloaded? you have to turn them back on after reload
  
  9. whats better. a poorly fit battleship can loose to a cruiser or unique setup llike the nanopoon made it impossible to
  defeat them using prevous methods
  
  10. what if that ships isn't fit the standard way, you will need to find a differnet way to defeat it.
  
  11. what about changing damage types on the fly if you cant do suffecient dammage to break the tank
  
  12. for skills you need to specialize in a weapon . each one has its own properties
  
  13 what if he calls for help what do you do then

Originally by: Industrial Witch

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Yeah I thought I'd get a bunch of lrn2playn00b posts within 5 minutes - says an awful lot about the people on this forum

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Originally by: High Sierra

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note to self:
dont ever say anything to anyone on the internet about anything ever again.

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Originally by: Industrial Witch

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Okay I've heard a few people say that PVP is all about the 'skill' and not about the ship/character, however it looks to me that pretty much all combat is like this:

1 - Orbit Target
2 - Switch modules on
3 - AFK a bit
4 - Better ship wins

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Make insurance replace your entire ship plus modules plus cargo at only a 10-20% cost payable when they are replaced

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Originally by: Arctur Gestator

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Quote:

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Make insurance replace your entire ship plus modules plus cargo at only a 10-20% cost payable when they are replaced

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Oh i see your point u are WoW noob definetely

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Originally by: Industrial Witch

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Yeah I thought I'd get a bunch of lrn2playn00b posts within 5 minutes - says an awful lot about the people on this forum

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Originally by: Industrial Witch

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1 - Orbit Target
2 - Switch modules on
3 - AFK a bit
4 - Better ship wins

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Originally by: F'nog

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Your math intrigues me, and I wish to subscribe to its newsletter.

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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I find it a skill to AVOID PVP when wanted, not in PVP itself

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Originally by: Last Firefly

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hi... i'm pretty new to eve (only played for about a month). from my point of view the op is talking about a 1v1 combat. but the way i see it is that the real action / skill comes in place when we talk about group combat.

(little excursion)
i'm coming form guild wars and talking about 1v1 combat in this game is...well...nonsense. in gw the real skill comes into play with team play. that includes:
- analysing & understanding the enemies team and their tactic
- communictaion
- synergy between your teams classes
- movement
- adapting to certain situations
- target switching
- and so on.

but you know what.. if you break that down to your pvp example in eve (1vs1), it sounds pretty simple as well: click on target, activate your skills, the better skill setup wins.
but thats only half of the story (or even less), and that pretty much holds as well (from what i see and hear) in eve.

but form the replies here i have the impression that a 1vs1 combat in eve can be very complicated and take skill as well. the only combat experience i have to date is fighting npc enemies, and even there i have to take a loooot of things into account if i dont want do die ^.^

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Originally by: Last Firefly

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hi... i'm pretty new to eve (only played for about a month). from my point of view the op is talking about a 1v1 combat. but the way i see it is that the real action / skill comes in place when we talk about group combat.

(little excursion)
i'm coming form guild wars and talking about 1v1 combat in this game is...well...nonsense. in gw the real skill comes into play with team play. that includes:
- analysing & understanding the enemies team and their tactic
- communictaion
- synergy between your teams classes
- movement
- adapting to certain situations
- target switching
- and so on.

but you know what.. if you break that down to your pvp example in eve (1vs1), it sounds pretty simple as well: click on target, activate your skills, the better skill setup wins.
but thats only half of the story (or even less), and that pretty much holds as well (from what i see and hear) in eve.

but form the replies here i have the impression that a 1vs1 combat in eve can be very complicated and take skill as well. the only combat experience i have to date is fighting npc enemies, and even there i have to take a loooot of things into account if i dont want do die ^.^

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