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MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.22 20:47:00 - [31] Originally by: Cyberflayer Dear Blizzard, Thanks for taking all our pansies who can't adapt to issues blown out of proportion by their egocentrism, and those who can't accept flaws along with remarkable gameplay and galactic socioeconomic ballet. It's really gone a long way towards making EVE a better game. Except all those whiners keep coming back for some reason...maybe they do care after all. love that sig, I got to read up! ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Frug Zenithal Harvest BROTHER'S WORD	Posted - 2007.10.22 20:47:00 - [32] The first few points are good. It's too bad you have to start whining about your sad little gripes and destroy your own credibility. "insurmountable training time", "astronomical ship prices" and even another idiotic whine about t20. Stop posting. 3/10 for effort. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Kvaell Minmatar Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.22 20:47:00 - [33] I found a person posting this and I think it's appropriate to use it now. [ ] IBDS [ ] IBTL [ ] Can I have your stuff? [x] Go back to WoW. [x] Hello Kitty >>> That way. [ ] It's a Templar, an Amarr fighter. [x] STFU [x] Post with your main [ ] . [ ] Signed! [ ] Bump [x] /fail [ ] (Kitten thumbnail) [ ] No one cares That should cover it.
John Blackthorn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.22 20:51:00 - [34] Unbalanced Races We strived very hard to make sure that World of Warcraft was playable in all areas by all classes roughly equally well. We would like to thank you for not being as careful. The complete dominance of Caldari specializing players and caldari ships in missions is a great boon to our bank accounts. We welcome all those Amarr players to our servers with open arms. And let's not forget all those disheartened players that spent months specializing in drone skills only to find out that using them in missions is costly at best, and frequently suicidal. Drone aggro warms our hearts! Say nothing of the exercise in frustration that is your drone-UI. We mastered pet control in beta, our confidence was indeed bolstered by the fact that four years have gone by and you have not yet done it. Blizzard Funny, I'm Caldari with all level 5 caldari, cruiser, b.s. level 5 in most all missle skills. but I fly Ammar command ships and Mimitar Recons and can't stand to fly caldari ships.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.22 21:08:00 - [35] Originally by: Reverend Revelator You forgot to diss the website, which is so amateurish Parker Brothers would have been ashamed of it in 1992. Special mention for a profanity filter so stupid it actually filters the word 'sa*uard' By all means allow me! Website** Thanks for your unnavigable, uninformative website that is so closely tied to the game database that when the game servers go down so does your entire site(!). Thank you for not providing anything anywhere near as cool or useful as the armory. Thank you for defaulting to alts. Thank you for filtering regular words. Thank you for hiding all the useful stuff like API keys. Thank your logging me out every 20 minutes. I miss anything? I haven't played WoW in a long time. Unfortunately I still have many friends that won't shut up about it. Including my roommate. -- Support fixing the EVE UI
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.22 21:11:00 - [36] Originally by: Terex193 the cake is a lie? The cake is a lie. -- Support fixing the EVE UI
Calprimus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.10.22 21:35:00 - [37] Fantastic post Pran. Please add: - storyline in the game - mission excitment - so called 10 vs 1 pvp - ready access to the most dangerous area (zerozero) - exploration Hello Kitty >> overthere, can I have your stuff, adapt or die and other random intellectual observations (with Beavis and Butt-Head giggle) here:
citizen amarr33sd3g4	Posted - 2007.10.22 21:43:00 - [38] This person is probably someone who bought 1 month and instead of enjoying the game started reading all the whines on the forums instead.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.22 21:43:00 - [39] I lol'd.. You should make this a weekly series Pran(Tarminic?).. Everyone needs a giggle now and then.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.22 21:52:00 - [40] Originally by: Calprimus - mission excitment Trying to active tank in a mission in Saila on a Sunday isn't enough excitement for ya? -- Support fixing the EVE UI

annab Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.10.22 21:57:00 - [41] Three months is not enough time to get a proper look at eve. You havenÆt even left the noob corp yet. Have you even gone lower than the 1.0 system you started in? Tried playing in a gang, PVPed, low sec? GUI while a changeable one would be nice it really is not on my want list at the moment. Walking on stations however is. Sorry but documentation part is just plan wrong. Look at the nice tab marked Player Guide been there since I've been playing. Also the disk version had a pdf on there. The tutorials are long but eve has no take it slowly weÆll hold your hand let you take baby steps. You enter the game with the possiblity of being kill in the first ten seconds. You can choose not to do the tutorial. The market is run by the players unlike Wow when you die you loss that ship and any implants. You don't wake up with all your stuff. You have to buy it again. That allows the players to set their own prices and create supply and demand like a real market. The training times are not that bad and it allows the players to choose or change their profession. While with low learning skills your training will take a longer time. Wow does give almost instant levelling while you are online killing npcs to level up. Eve however trains 24/7 on or off so if you play wow 24/7 yes your level faster but if your on a lot less then in eve you will learn faster. I have a job therefore I play eve a lot less than I use to so the skills training works out better for me. Yes ccp has had a few devs break the rules while sad. We now have a player run oversight committee. WOW doesn't have one while our devs can be now be found out can WOWs? Unlike most companies CCP came out with their cheating I would bet top dollar most would not have said a thing and swept it under the carpet. Just like our nice banks do with online freud. What was the write off last year 10 to 20 billion pounds. I'm sure EVE has not killed anyone yet. "In June 2005 it was reported that a child had died due to neglect by her World of Warcraft-addicted parents in Korea" The only real lag I have ever has was joining in 300+ player battle something I very much doubt youÆve done and going to jita at rush hour. Mind you I like the fact the server are up more than down unlike wow which could be down for days before they could be assed to fix it. Also eve is on one server while wow is on many. I know for a fact that wow lags just as much as eve does. Have you sorted out the law suit yet? ccp can claim they havenÆt stolen others work. Amarr have there problems however with high skills and know how they are useful. They are very useful in fleets and gangs but you wouldnÆt know that. Try going with a corp go to low sec. Has blizzard stop charging for upgrades yet unlike EVEs upgrade which have a huge price of zero. Ps I donÆt think you are a person working for blizzard. Just like I don't work for CCP.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.22 22:09:00 - [42] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus I lol'd.. You should make this a weekly series Pran(Tarminic?).. Everyone needs a giggle now and then.. Sadly, this one was more popular than my latest efford. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
Ben Derindar Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.10.22 22:31:00 - [43] Originally by: Pran Chole Insurmountable Training Time It's not insurmountable, you're just impatient. /Ben
Krows Unified Refining Federation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.22 22:32:00 - [44] oh dear how did this get here i am not good with computer? What I say here... does not reflect on my corp or alliance.
Baleur Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.22 22:39:00 - [45] Originally by: osahar Sad, but true! CCP has lot to learn from Blizzard. In what way? A redicolus level cap reachable after a few days, after which the entire game ends? Craptastic equipment that everyone else wears? lvl 19 and 29 etc stuff costing 500% more than it is worth? WoW is something i will never go back to, no matter how much my 2 ladyfriends whine at me. "ooh space is so booring, come back to wow! lets hunt in feralas!" ------------------------- This post represents my entire corporation's views and opinions.
Shiner BockBeer Go Go Gadget ForumPostingAlt	Posted - 2007.10.22 22:41:00 - [46] given the disparity between Eve's and WoW's subscription numbers, I count it highly unlikely that Blizzard would even notice former Eve players. And seriously, stop whining. This game is tough, adapt or die.
Atavachron	Posted - 2007.10.22 22:42:00 - [47] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 22/10/2007 19:49:32 CCP has the better game concept and Blizzard has the better implementation. The sad part is that in the last year the core problems with the game like the UI and lag don't seem to have been improved in the least. Supposedly they have a need for speed initiative and a new drone UI in the works but they've put out more information about ambulation....it gets irritating to say the least. I agree with this.
Yerik Locke Caldari The New Order. United Connection's	Posted - 2007.10.22 22:51:00 - [48] Edited by: Yerik Locke on 22/10/2007 22:51:19 I will attack only several of the many points posted here. Eve is tough. Eve is gritty. Eve has a tough learning curve, and it's hard to rise up among the rest. This is why Eve is Eve. Stop trying to change this.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.22 22:54:00 - [49] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 22/10/2007 19:49:32 CCP has the better game concept and Blizzard has the better implementation. The sad part is that in the last year the core problems with the game like the UI and lag don't seem to have been improved in the least. But hey, CCP also has the biggest mouth when they announce how fast, how stable and how shiny EVE will be some day (Real Soon Now(tm)). "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Riese Blecja Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.22 23:01:00 - [50] Edited by: Riese Blecja on 22/10/2007 23:01:28 Originally by: Pran Chole Dear CCP, I'm pretty sure this is talking to a brick wall, but let's deal with these one at a time shall we? Quote: GUI A customizable interface for EVE is a can of worms the size of Antarctica. Even in a non-competitive WoW, certain GUI mods could give some players such a ridiculous advantage in engaging content over people who didn't have such mods (and either didn't know where to find them, couldn't install them for whatever reason, said mods weren't made public, or what have you) that eventually Blizzard was forced to integrate such mods into their interface. Never mind the hooks into the client the customizable GUI gives - we have enough problems with trojans and keyloggers as it stands. In a competitive game like EVE the GUI needs to be kept consistent for all players or the result is chaos. As far as right-clicking goes, YMMV. I'm used to it and like it because I come from a Homeworld background. Quote: Documentation Omit documentation completely? Are you incapable of reading? It's a bit dated, granted, but the essentials are there and there's tons of documentation in-game now, as well. Quote: New player Experience The tutorial is long because there is an unfathomable amount of ground to cover for the new player. The WoW tutorials are nice and short because the entire game is "click monster, bash, get loot, talk to dude, click monster." The EVE tutorial has to cover combat, market manipulation, ship fitting, chat management, insurance, CONCORD, skill training, inventory management, refining... and that's just to get a player started. The EVE tutorial has to be long because there's a lot more to the game. Not only that, but this is contradictory. You complain about the lack of documentation but then you complain that the tutorials are comprehensive? What? Quote: Insurmountable Training Time And while you're training for Titans or whatever the heck you can hop in a T1 Frigate, fit a web and a point, and cause as much damage as a battleship. You do not need a super blinged out ship to make a difference in EVE and I wish people would stop thinking this way. Yes those guys in Ishtars or Absolutions or whatever are intimidating, but your T1 Frigate can stop their escape, prevent them from firing, or suck them dry. And your ship costs as much as his ammunition. There are no (well, few) weak ships; only pilots who don't know how to maximize their effectiveness. And what about if you need to take a break? Not if you want to, but if you have a month-long family emergency or need to focus on work/college/etc. for a few months? By then your WoW friends have passed you by and can't help you with content anymore. Whereas you can take a month-long break from EVE and come back to find that you can fly HACs or that you're halfway to Dreadnoughts. The EVE skill system has drawbacks, but getting a new toy after a break is the best feeling you can imagine. Quote: Astronomical Ship Prices Quite simply, get out of Empire and look for real ways to make money. Just last night I made something on the order of 150 million ISK, and hell, in a way I'm a low earner. Even HACs, BSes and Command Ships aren't expensive if you know how to get access to proper resources and don't just suck Veldspar all day. Even in my mission ho days, though, I never had trouble keeping myself in BSes. Quote: Trust & Favoritism Well, only so much can be said in defense here. Yes, it is a problem, but CCP is dealing with it and coming from the guys arguably most screwed over by it, they are getting better. They aren't going to let the game go to the socks over favoritism, EVE is CCP's baby. Of course I also have to wonder about how much quiet favoritism you never hear about in WoW due to favoritism not mattering as much in a non-competitive environment...

Terail Zoqial	Posted - 2007.10.22 23:02:00 - [51] Unfortunately you're not not the reason why CCP created eve, also, if you read the occasional dev blog you may learn a bit why thing happen, don't happen as well as a myriad of other things. There are so many ignorant whiners and trolls on these boards it's quite sad really. If eve sucks so badly why the hell do you pay money every month just to upset yourself?. GUI is fine, it's done me well for 4 years thanks Documentation may lack in some key areas, but if you don't have the IQ to work things out, ask or know where to look, then you probably need to play something a tad easier. Like pong. NPE is a tad boring, I preffered to dive into eve and learn the ropes. It gave me a sense of accomplishment and the feeling of being in a whole new world was pretty nifty. Training time..If you're a noob and want a dreadnought straight away then you deserve the shock which is the training time imho. Anyhoo's, whilst training said ships you will need to learn many ship classes which give you a greater understanding of combat dynamics. That is good. Astronomical ship prices...you kids have never had it so good. When I started there were shuttles, frigs, cruisers, bs's and indy's. T2 prices have dropped dramatically and you could always train up for ionvention. Trust & Favoritism - Get the hell over it already. Lag...think about the limitations of modern technology, CCP wanting to keep their customers, business pride and all. Do you really think they want to fail as a company?. Overpopulation Centers... this is due to players, P L A Y E R S. Remote agents would aleviate things but jita will always be jita. Unbalanced Races...meh Inane Features...As stated above, you are not the sole reason CCP exists. I'm quite looking forward to ambulation, not too bothered with bombs but CCP are still working on those afaik. As ststed about a billion times, CCP is made up of various divisions, each one works on 1 aspect of eve.
TimMc Skiddies of Doom	Posted - 2007.10.22 23:15:00 - [52] Originally by: osahar Sad, but true! CCP has lot to learn from Blizzard. What? like how to never change your game? or how to have crap pvp? or how to make a complete grindy game? or a game full of 13 year olds and men dressing in female elves clothing? Seriously, I pray that CCP never contemplates becoming like Blizzard... besides Blizzards overbearing polish that goes into their games. Go back to WoW, or better yet go play Runescape.
Rastigan Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.22 23:19:00 - [53] Originally by: Kvaell I found a person posting this and I think it's appropriate to use it now. [ ] IBDS [ ] IBTL [ ] Can I have your stuff? [x] Go back to WoW. [x] Hello Kitty >>> That way. [ ] It's a Templar, an Amarr fighter. [x] STFU [x] Post with your main [ ] . [ ] Signed! [ ] Bump [x] /fail [ ] (Kitten thumbnail) [ ] No one cares That should cover it. This post wins..
Riese Blecja Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.22 23:20:00 - [54] Edited by: Riese Blecja on 22/10/2007 23:21:20 Quote: Lag Yes the lag monster gets bad in really big fleet fights (and Jita). But what about Ironforge in the old days? Or what happens when, say, 100 Horde invade Stormwind and 100 Alliance come to oppose them? Guess what happens - it's the exact same grid loading issues that a typical GBC/RSF fleet fight faces. The instanced battlegrounds were as much to hide the inadequacy of the WoW server hardware in large-scale combat as it was anything else. We all complain about lag, but at times I really have to wonder just how much we can expect from CCP. There are really only so many practical solutions that can be thrown at an issue, and when you pile six hundred players into a single area for whatever reason, how much can CCP really be expected to do that doesn't involve bankrupting the company? Quote: Overpopulation Centers Bull. Bullcrap bullcrap bullcrap bullcrap bullcrap. There is *absolutely not a blasted thing* keeping people in Jita or Motsu or anywhere. You can put an item up for sale anywhere and due to the way regional markets work it will sell. The players are the ones who cause overpopulation issues in this game and it's annoying that more people don't get the hint and start to sell stuff outside Jita and spread the market around a little. There is absolutely nothing forcing you to go to Jita or Motsu or anywhere. Look around a bit for your ships, your guns, whatever. Don't be a lemming. Quote: Unbalanced Races Ahahahahahaha. Yes clearly drones and Amarr ships only have use in missions and don't have any use in PvP combat, nor can a smart player use guns to their benefit in missions. I'm sorry, there's really no way to respond intelligently to this as you haven't experienced entire swaths of the game to realize just how wrong this statement is. Quote: Inane Features Heat was essential to the destruction of the Mercenary Coalition titan. Ambulation will add a whole new level of immersiveness to EVE, it's something a lot of people have wanted for years and it isn't like artists can spend time correcting code issues. Bombs... well, OK, two out of three isn't bad. Seriously, without the constant addition of new features EVE would have died a long time ago. EVE lives by becoming more robust. I doubt you know what a jump bridge is, but it's possibly the single best thing CCP ever added to the game, and they didn't need to spend the time coding it... but they did. Some new features enter the game a little pear-shaped, but without new abilities and new stuff, EVE would die very quickly. Sincerely, Riese Blecja/SpaceDrake Longtime EVE player edit: darn you people breaking up my nice two-part post :doom:
Megadon Caldari Deathshead Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.22 23:27:00 - [55] Ahhh... I see that we have successfully discouraged another WoW player from coming on over to the harsher side of gaming because it hurt his head to much. SUCCESS!! or... horror of horrors, they decided to stay and play Eve anyway and constantly barrage us with 10 whines a day about how Eve sucks. --------------
whopper Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.22 23:33:00 - [56] ah! what would eve be without the whining. I love it! gimme more -whopper
dor amwar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.23 00:17:00 - [57] you will never get a faction spawn again.
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.23 00:30:00 - [58] CCP do make some bonehead moves from time to time, (current one is the mom/carrier idea)however, they are still a good company. Stop being so negative, in fact go play WoW, you're sarcasm is not funny at all. Don't hate me, learn to love me
Giamilton Synergy Evolved Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.23 02:22:00 - [59] Jita is Jita because of market forces. It has a ton of inertia, the sellers sell there because the volume of people guarantees large numbers of sales. The buyers buy there because the competition and supply keep prices down. One way would be for large suppliers to have an incentive to go to another station. Like they could announce stations that have duty free shops that would enable the seller to save money on fees without skills or standing and the buyer to save on fees as well. Something needs to move the people and it would take a number of large suppliers moving somewhere else and getting the traffic to follow. The money is in Jita both to make and save that's going to be hard to stop.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.23 02:37:00 - [60] If ever there was a thread that screamed for a "Go back to WoW!" post, this would definitely be the one. If you don't like it, don't play it. Either way, we don't wanna hear it.



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