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kookookrazyCICHEN	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:42:00 - [91] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Higgous I hear they are releasing ANOTHER carrot on a stick style expansion (which you have to buy by the way) that lets you get to lvl 80!!! Another year grinding from 70 to 80... enjoy buddy How long is it gonna take to get into those new t2 ships? You won't need T2 ships to access the new content that comes out FREE. You will need level 80's and at least some of the new gear to complete the new content in WOW that you PAY FOR.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:59:00 - [92] Thank you OP for a completely useless pile of sh.... post. _____________________________________
kurg Amarr Science Production And NuKing Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:02:00 - [93] LAG: Its amazing how people compare WoW lag and Eve lag. Eve Lag: is in systems with hundres of players, large blobs can go easily upward of 400+ players in a single system! WoW Lag: they are hardcapped in their battlegrounds at about 50 from both sides i beleive? (not 100% sure on that number), i mean thats a drop in the bucket compared to Eve. I am more than sure you get WoW players to mass up with lets say 100+ players and the lag will be unbareable! So please, if we are going to talk about LAG, then lets compare apples to apples. my .02ISK
Synseer Minmatar Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:37:00 - [94] I agree with OP, You realise how shi.te ccp is with fixing things when you just give up and accept bugs as the game functionality. Remember when you used to be upset when your drones got stuck or starmap gets stuck or starmap doesnt show any stars? Now its all a matter of course that they do.
Esmenet	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:40:00 - [95] Originally by: kurg LAG: Its amazing how people compare WoW lag and Eve lag. Eve Lag: is in systems with hundres of players, large blobs can go easily upward of 400+ players in a single system! WoW Lag: they are hardcapped in their battlegrounds at about 50 from both sides i beleive? (not 100% sure on that number), i mean thats a drop in the bucket compared to Eve. I am more than sure you get WoW players to mass up with lets say 100+ players and the lag will be unbareable! So please, if we are going to talk about LAG, then lets compare apples to apples. my .02ISK Its max 40 players pr side in the biggest battleground. Attacking a major city (something that is tried about once pr year on the "pvp" servers) with about 50-100 players will crash the server.
Boomershoot Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:48:00 - [96] the only thing that can be compared is the pure nature of the forums, trolls everyever, splattered on the walls, on the floor, up to the roof, and over the sky yes, blizzard is making good buisness with WOW, too bad the player base is SOOOOOOO much ****** up that i can swim in the never-ending pool of noob-ridden battlefield and infected forums run by trolls :\| wait...wich game was i talking about here? ----------------------------------------------- "1, 2, 3, shuttle reprocessing is right for me"
Jinx Jethro Anything Not Nailed Down	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:52:00 - [97] Wait... wait... this isn't World of StarCraft?
Jenna Shame	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:54:00 - [98] I'm not sure whats worse. The people who can find nothing good with the game or the people who act like saying aspects are not good is tantamount to heresy. EvE has some great things going for it. EvE has some almost inexcusable issues. I'm personally finding its getting to be less and less worth my money a month, others will disagree.
Shanur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:01:00 - [99] Originally by: Jinx Jethro Wait... wait... this isn't World of StarCraft? No, but i hear there is a secret pink portal to Hello Kitty online hidden in an asteroid somewhere in Amamake .
Hegbard	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:37:00 - [100] I have a good opportunity to debunk some of this since I've been a long-time hardcore WoW player. Originally by: Pran Chole I think if you tried a little harder you could eliminate the keyboard requirement entirely. Thank you for neglecting the very interface for so long! As a long time main tank in WoW, with around 15 buttons to push in very specific order and with right timing in every fight with one button push every second for 4-5 hours every evening, the carpal tunnel in my left hand is very happy with EVE. Quote: It would seem so at first, but when a newbie takes one look at that 300 day plan to get a capital ship? Gee. So you think that a user can experience all lvl 1-70 content in two weeks if he's not in a hurry is actually a good thing? You know.. In WoW, the actual game begins when you reach the highest level. And then you need to spend many, many weeks in every instance, doing the same thing over and over and over again just to be able to gear up for the next high end instance. With the 40-man raids, it took on average 15-20 weeks (more or less 4 months) to gear up a guild before you could properly move on, that's assuming half the guild didn't quit because they got bored of the constant grind, which they did so you had to spend even more time gearing up the new people before they could be useful in the better instances. 300 days is a short time even in WoW before you can experience any of the highest level content. Quote: Those six figure price tags are anti-sirens for newbies and we thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Right. HAH! On a typical day of learning to fight a boss in WoW in a lvl 60 raid instance with 20 wipes per evening we're talking about 40g per person. That's 2 hours of grinding if you're good. Basically, it means, for every hour of mindless grinding you get to experience two hours of endgame content. I'm not experienced enough in EVE, but I'm pretty sure the figures aren't as bad here. Quote: We could not have asked for such performance. Right. You know the new boss they introduced last week? Headless Horseman? He's being called "Disconnecting Horseman". Since sometimes there's as many as 100 people trying to get into one area at the same time to try to kill him. And when someone attempts to gasp PVP, the load gets unbearable for the server and the whole continent (there are only three) goes down for several hours.

Riese Blecja Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:02:00 - [101] Originally by: Paeniteo Edited by: Paeniteo on 23/10/2007 11:57:21 CCP apparently has different priorities to people like me. Example: now they're adding ambulation. That's all good, but I'd rather see the story of the game get put into view, to a point that you're actually.. you know.. involved. The story is there in the background, but has no impact on you in your ship, it's like waking up in africa every morning and reading an italian newspaper - nowhere near close to home. That shafts pretty much any hope of immersion, so the game becomes a flexfest. Getting involved in the story of EVE is called getting out there, into 0.0, and carving a name for yourself and your corp, not waiting for the devs to hump you and make you into an internet superstar. The backstory is there primarily for flavor, and while it might be nice for them to advance it slightly, it took me too long to figure out that the real story in EVE is the one the players make for themselves.
Gzashon Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:09:00 - [102] Originally by: Pran Chole GUI We learned a great deal from you here and we strive to reach the same pinnacle of achievement you have. The mouse manufacturers haven't been this happy since Diablo II. We were good at wearing out the left button with Diablo II, but never attained the level of mastery that you guys clearly have over the right mouse button. The customizable GUI of World of Warcraft alone has swayed many of your customers. We can't thank you enough for your shoddy workmanship in this area. I think if you tried a little harder you could eliminate the keyboard requirement entirely. Thank you for neglecting the very interface for so long! While most of the rest of this post is crap...what i wouldn't give for EVE to have the same infinitely customizable interface that WoW has...WoW's default UI is pretty awful, had it been locked like that i think it seriously would have been an impediment to the growth of the game. Allowing players to essentially destroy and rebuild the entire interface as they see fit (and not just by changing looks, but by adding USEFUL features, features without which playing seems almost unthinkable) was a stroke of genius. Oh yeah, and the lag point is valid too.
Warr Cry	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:18:00 - [103] Balanced Classes... Obviously this guy has not spent alot of time in end-game pvp in WoW.... all I can say is Druids and Locks are OVERPOWERED Bro... tell me what is not OP when a lock dots you up and you ride away on your mount, but those dots tick 80% of your health away.. not to mention, and AOE Stun, seed of corruption spam, unstable affliction? give me a break. And for the Druids, 15k armor,16k hp, and they hit like trucks, not to mention frenzied regeneration and cyclone? LOL at your comment bro about balanced classes.. Blizzard has MUCH to learn in this department. And if you think about it CCP did make this game balanced, since you can fly any race ship you want, you just have to train the skills... l2rant.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:51:00 - [104] The OP makes some good points, particularly in regard to GUI, documentation, and lag. I'll also add hitting any interesting setup or mod in sight with a nerf bat. ECM:nerf Nos:nerf Nanno:nerf Drones:nerf Carriers:nerf Soon PVP will consist of giving each other stern looks in ambulated stations. Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.23 20:00:00 - [105] Originally by: MrTripps The OP makes some good points, particularly in regard to GUI, documentation, and lag. I'll also add hitting any interesting setup or mod in sight with a nerf bat. ECM:nerf Nos:nerf Nanno:nerf Drones:nerf Carriers:nerf +1 Insightful. Also, I give you the quote of the day: Originally by: MrTripps Soon PVP will consist of giving each other stern looks in ambulated stations. -- Support fixing the EVE UI
14882	Posted - 2007.10.23 20:07:00 - [106] I hate WoW...although I agree with this part... Quote: Inane Features Your developer's obsession with new code and lack of supervision has made us very confident that your market share will never threaten ours and we thank you. Heat? Ambulation? Bombs? Wonderful impediments to sucess! We thank you for seeing to these things first rather than fixing the myridad severe problems with EVE. Our userbase has never grown faster. And one easy-win feature that all players could benefit from remains collecting dust on the drawing table. We hope you never implement a skill training queue! After all, CCP, EVE belongs to you, not your players. And you don't need skill queues since you're encouraged, no required to log in at work.
podadot	Posted - 2007.10.23 20:22:00 - [107] A bit off topic, but I always have a good laugh when someone in WOW goes on about how much they love pvp and how uber they are. I laugh and think to myself, the average carebear in Eve would probably send you home crying to your mommy if you had to deal with real pvp.
Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2007.10.23 20:49:00 - [108] Originally by: Pran Chole Overpopulation Centers We realized that having most of your players in one place would be problematic, so we took steps to spread them out and it worked beautifully. Even Teldrassil has people in it most of the time. Linking the auction houses between the capital cities was an elegant solution to our overconcentrated player problems. We were afraid that, on seeing us solve the problem in just a few months you guys up at the top of the world world implement a similar solution to resolve the lagtraps that are Jita, Motsu, Rens and Saila. Thankfully, thus far your attempts have been largely ineffectual. We hope you continue to implement only semi-effective solutions to combat these problems so that more and more of your customers become exclusively our customers. I proposed an idea to try to fix this earlier and still abide by it in either form of its implementation!!! :) Just look at my Archipelago Theory Thread (shameless self advertising here) Cheers! Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
Kyra Felann Gallente Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 20:57:00 - [109] I agree about the UI, but...oh yeah, it's getting redone soon...so, uhm... /notsigned
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.01 21:02:00 - [110] Originally by: Kyra Felann I agree about the UI, but...oh yeah, it's getting redone soon...so, uhm... /notsigned Based on this it looks like the touted UI "redo" was very limited and poorly done. -- Support fixing the EVE UI

Phantom Slave Amarr Mozzaki United	Posted - 2007.11.01 21:21:00 - [111] Originally by: Xaen Based on this it looks like the touted UI "redo" was very limited and poorly done. If you check the game dev section, there's a dev post in there detailing some more changes that were made. I don't see how it was poorly done, as everything in the UI can now be moved, including your 'target' box, where it shows all of the objects you have targeted. ____________________ Pirating in EVE is like kicking a squirrel and stealing his food. The squirrel hates you afterwards, but it's fun none the less.
Ander Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.11.01 21:45:00 - [112] Best way to make sure a thread doesnt receive answers from people with goldbars is to mentione either "t20" or kugucensured. Throw in a couple of claims of bob favouritism and you're sure to get it locked in notime :) EVE PIRATE
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.02 00:17:00 - [113] Originally by: Phantom Slave If you check the game dev section, there's a dev post in there detailing some more changes that were made. I don't see how it was poorly done, as everything in the UI can now be moved, including your 'target' box, where it shows all of the objects you have targeted. I'm pretty sure the ship & modules thing is stuck in the middle on the bottom. The pop-up status/info/combat mutant tooltip is still stick in the middle of the damn screen and updates too fast to be useful. Last I checked on Singularity, the targeting "bar" was stuck in the far upper right. The menu panel is still stuck on the left. The station panel is still stuck on the far right. The station services panels are still stuck behind all the other windows and can't be resized or moved. The clunky context menu is still the only way to do most things. Chat windows still receive all keystrokes by default. The GUI is still in the same thread as everything else. Modal dialogs are still being used as crutches and for notfication. There are no drone grouping capability. Unit grouping was something Command & Conquer had in 1995. Module status can be hard to see in many situations Once up to speed on python (I know C/++), I could make a better GUI in a couple of weeks. -- Support fixing the EVE UI
Vanessa Vale	Posted - 2007.11.02 00:19:00 - [114] Originally by: annab T Yes ccp has had a few devs break the rules while sad. We now have a player run oversight committee. Who? Where? Maybe its announced in fanfest and I missed it?
Tressin Khiyne The Tal'Shiar	Posted - 2007.11.02 00:39:00 - [115] why do people always complain about having to click? -- There are 10 kinds of people in this world; Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.11.02 00:48:00 - [116] This loser must work for blizzard tbh
Koba Kyogen byeee Corp Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 00:52:00 - [117] some points in there but EvE is still unparalleled in other aspects, like chosing templates and open ended play. no cookie cutter 'toons in crappy crayon drawn battlegrounds KKyogen Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
Bow'ma Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.02 01:15:00 - [118] Where's my Starrrcrafttt !
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.02 01:26:00 - [119] Originally by: Koba Kyogen some points in there but EvE is still unparalleled in other aspects, like chosing templates and open ended play. no cookie cutter 'toons in crappy crayon drawn battlegrounds KKyogen Absolutely. I'm an EVE subscriber, not a WoW subscriber. I have played it yes, but I don't currently and haven't for months...years? -- Support fixing the EVE UI


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