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Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:04:00 - [61] Dear CCP, Thank you for introducing Darwinism in the MMORPG world. have a nice day. Grimpak long time eve-player and multi-million voices in tha head. --- planetary interaction idea!
Pudnucker Boennerup Banden	Posted - 2007.10.23 04:32:00 - [62] I have spent years studying linguistics, and I feel qualified to offer a general rejoinder to the OP in a language he will understand: DUM DER DAH DUM DUM DUM DERR 1) The GUI is essentially fine as it is. Obviously improvements can be made but CCP have better things to do at the moment. And custom GUIs have no place in Eve. 2-4) These points are moot, stupid, have no value and are ergo not worth responding to. 5) Noobs don't need HACs, Capitals or T2 BSes, because they're noobs, and by definition will be lacking both the ISK and Skills to use these ship types. I shouldn't have had to point that out But hey - the OP is in SWA, 3 months and 1 day old, obviously with bratty attitude a la Veruca Salt from Roald Dahl's classic: I want it now now now wah wah boohoo stamp feet etc. I'll do you a favour and call a Wahhmbulance to spoonfeed you on your way out the door. Also: If you can't afford a HAC at today's rock-bottom prices then you suck and need to L2P Eve. 6) The t20 & BoB scandal is old news. If you're still crapping on about it... Well, let's just say that I'm reminded of someone clutching desperately at anything they can as they slide deeper into the stagnating quagmire of their own pseudo-intellect. 7) I don't get hit by lag very often at all, which is kind of funny because I live approximately 8000 Kilometres from the Eve Servers and my connection is bounced to 4 different countries, eh? If you have a big problem with Lag you shouldn't be exposing yourself to a situation whereby lagging or disconnection is bound to happen. So, avoid Jita, Motsu, Saila and large battles and you won't have a problem. I'm reminded of a tard grabbing a hot pan and then crying for hours over the burn with a shocked expression. Deficient in so many faculties 8) People are responsible for this, not CCP. Seriously: What is wrong with you? 9) I fly practically all Amarr ships exclusively. Amarr puts spunk in my junk. Love to all those Amarr spec guys and here's a 40 for them that ain't bangin' no more. If you can't play as Amarr and do well out of it then you suck and should seriously quit Eve and never come back. Also, if you can't use drones properly in a mission of all things then you need to discover the advantages of being an observant and attentive individual. Helps you out in the long run, y'know? 10) The only thing "inane" as you so incorrectly label those features is Bombs, which suck. In closing, I'd like to say I don't want your cheap ****ty loot when you leave, crying, to go back to playing WoW.
Aridia Parker Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.23 05:28:00 - [63] Just some facts on WoW on the mentioned points: - customizable GUI: Yeah it's cool and actually wow can't be really played without the addons because the basic version just is too basic. And also what do players in WoW? They install tons of addons which makes their clients laggy and instable. - Lag Spots: Even with the linked auction house people still where mostly in the same spot. With the addon it's even worse. - Lag: Yeap eve has a serious problem in fleet battles. BUT wow had even troubles when 40 people entered a dungeon. It lagged like hell. So much for the great instancing and sharding. -------------------- No signature needed.
Inner Demon	Posted - 2007.10.23 06:04:00 - [64] Originally by: Pran Chole Ramble, ramble, moan Can I have your stuff?
Yann Xonogoth Gallente Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.23 06:35:00 - [65] WoW is a nice MMO from level 1-69. At level 70 it's the crappiest thing I've ever played, pointless, an insult to our intelligence... As someone posted in this thread already: WoW transform players into grinding goblins at character level 70. So not thanks. For me the fun is to develop a character, make it better all the time, without pauses, without having to wait for an expansion which will bring me 10 more levels. WoW is all about items, not about character development. And for me at least: character's skills > character's items So I trashed WoW, and I play EVE. Logically. Obviously.
Reven Darklight 256 FREELANCERS Black Scope Project	Posted - 2007.10.23 06:45:00 - [66] you thing, I'm not even going to dignify you with a sir, are an idiot once upon a time i though, no don't abuse the newbies or the noobs we want them to come to eve to make our great game grow, now however i read posts and just thing, nope this guy shouldn't play eve hes just not the right material, so honesty i think the op should **** off. We don't want or need your kind in this game. In 3 months you can finish WOW be lvl 70 have 375 in 2 primary professions and full in the 3 secondary. Congrats start a new character and do it all over again, in EVE 3 months you might be able to pilot a cruiser and have decent skills. You complain about not being able to afford t2 ships and mods, by the time you train up to it you can probable afford it, at 3 months your not going to beable to use my T2 stuff, what with getting learning skills and frig 5 can take a while, t2 frigs going for what 10mil these days. If your at 3 months and can't get 10mil together your either doing something wrong or your not doing anything at all Dear Blizzard, We here at the EVE playerbase thank you from the bottom of our hearts for taking crap players who refuse to play the game and just demand things to be done their way, away from our game.
Delichon Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.23 06:47:00 - [67] Fanboys don't tank sarcasm well, do they? OP is great, keep up the good flame.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2007.10.23 06:54:00 - [68] Most of those points are sadly true .. but it's the PvP !!! err wait CAPITALS! BLOBS! POS WARFARE! YAY! They beats raiding 10-0 .. yeah! .. oh wait It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Reven Darklight 256 FREELANCERS Black Scope Project	Posted - 2007.10.23 06:57:00 - [69] if the OP ment this to be sarcastic, then he failed utterly, as it seems hardly anybody understood his sarcasm. If your going to be sarcastic, you might want to make sure everybody knows your being sarcastic otherwise you just look like a moron
Khes	Posted - 2007.10.23 08:06:00 - [70] Edited by: Khes on 23/10/2007 08:07:58 If it is sarcasm, so be it, but to me it sounds like a typical WoW player who's looking for another game because WoW can not sustain the interesst for its players after a surten level. He gives Eve a go but realise that Eve is nothing like WoW and then wines about it. Some of the points he brings up in his atempt to diss Eve is just proof that he does not comprihend or just does not like the ways of Eve and prefere the WoW ways much more. Nothing wrong with that, it just tells us he likes Wow better. This is just how I want it to be. I would not like all the typical WoW players to emigrate to Eve and try to make it more like Wow. That would completely ruin the game. Eve is not a WoW in space. Thank you OP for showing us again why we are happy about WoW players not liking Eve.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.23 08:16:00 - [71] Originally by: Delichon Fanboys don't tank sarcasm well, do they? OP is great, keep up the good flame. We get the sarcasm. However, his opinions are crap just the same. If you think WoW is better than Eve, go back to WoW and don't play Eve.
iNFyza Gallente Surferio Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.10.23 09:22:00 - [72] Edited by: iNFyza on 23/10/2007 09:21:57 WoW players Dress funny Signature Your signature exceeds the 120 pixel hieght limit allowed on the forums. -Darth Patches
Higgous Gallente Divine Retribution	Posted - 2007.10.23 10:00:00 - [73] Originally by: Pran Chole Dear CCP, ../stuff/.. Insurmountable Training Time Your skill training system scared us a bit there in the beginning. Would the ability to train skills while not playing prevent us from capturing so much of your customer base? It would seem so at first, but when a newbie takes one look at that 300 day plan to get a capital ship? That 90 day plan to fly a T2 cruiser? They ran towards us and we welcomed them with open arms. I hear they are releasing ANOTHER carrot on a stick style expansion (which you have to buy by the way) that lets you get to lvl 80!!! Another year grinding from 70 to 80... enjoy buddy 'Lister to Red Dwarf....'
Esmenet	Posted - 2007.10.23 10:02:00 - [74] Can i have your stuff?
Fivetide Amarr Crimson Strike	Posted - 2007.10.23 10:13:00 - [75] I might give wow a go coz EvE bores me now. Quote of the Month your standing infront of 500 people and your the only one faceing the wrong way jimmy carr
DarthMopp Gallente I.D.I.O.T.	Posted - 2007.10.23 10:25:00 - [76] Sarcasm strikes Community wrecking for 500000 hp. Irony and Sarcasm are not easy to master...if you go to far nobody understands...if you dont push it far enough it is not funny. Damn... I laughed a little about the OP...but what made me spill my coffee over the table were the reactions of all those fanboys wo react as if somebody has used the holy grail as a pis.soir... Get a life...you can love something and at the same time criticize it....sometimes criticism is more helpful then total approval.... "Alea iacta est"
Tradari Gallente Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.10.23 10:51:00 - [77] i think the op needs to have a break TBH as a lot of the post is rubbish. What i dont understand is the constant need to knock WOW players. EVE and wow have simlar problems. wow - noobs advertising Gold all the time EVE - macro miners and isk sellers. WOW - team play eve - team play (although larger teams if in the good corp) WOW - nubbs ganking all the lowbie levels. EVE - as above but eve calls them pirates ( yes u can lose your ship in high sec!!!!) wow - auction house eve - market place, again on a larger scale with more features. wow - players that dont know how to play and post rubbish on fourms eve - As above So in essance eve and wow have a lot in common but we all need to remeber we come here and on wow to enjoy a GAME. i fail to see why anyone wishes to moan or diss another game that there not even playing! + do it on a fourm that WOW players wont even read!!. we might as well be moaning about BF2 players as they wont read it either. So why did i post well basically to ask people to think before posting, if its a moan about another game dont post it on the eve fourms because nobody needs to know, if the eve game is stressing you out take a break away for a few days (remeber to set a skill). If its a bug then file a bug report job done.. Everyone have a nice and pleasant day and ill shoot ya ass in 0.0 when you get there Yours Tradari
Shanur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.10.23 11:12:00 - [78] I just find it interesting that anyone assumes that a company entirely dedicated to volume business with a playerbase in excess of 16 million players even notices the total active playerbase of EVE (around 30K). Leave alone the percentage of this that actually leaves to play WoW. They probably can fit them all on a single server there (which has a capacity of 2-3K. Mostly thanks to heavy instancing). Other than that, Blizzard would be more than welcome to help themselves to the former EVE players who couldn't hack it and went in search of a more shallow playing experience. As would the OP.
Raneru Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.10.23 11:18:00 - [79] Originally by: Pran Chole Documentation Now, we admit, releasing the World of Warcraft with a game manual that cited features that weren't implemented for years was bad form, but you guys took it to the next level. We never thought of abstaining from manuals entirely.. Thats funny cos I have an EvE Online game manual that came with the CD when I bought the game..
Althea Nar'agh StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.10.23 11:39:00 - [80] Originally by: Riese Blecja ...good stuff... Other then that... well the OP made me smile... lag and over population... well i remember lag in wow (yes i did play, a whopping whole month) getting in any major city... oh well it might have changed since... but then again you can't even compare online numbers... overpriced stuffs, this one makes me smile the most... at least eve players wont sell sexual services over the net to buy a fricking epic mount unbalanced races... can you say "tauren shaman" oh... well, who cares? -------------------------- War. War never changes EvE Training Monitor / iMonitor / iCEO EvE iHelper
kurg Amarr Science Production And NuKing Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.23 11:41:00 - [81] I love the way the OP talks about Eve's skill system, yet fails to mention how its nearly impossible to get "Gear" (WoW's ways of saying Modules for Ships) like a full set of Season 2 suits or Tier 6 Amor unless you belong to a hardcore raiding guild and play 24hr/7days a week and on top of that items in WoW are restricted so after HOURS if not days, weeks or months of redoing OVER and OVER and OVER again the same Raid instances with players just to wait on 1 item drop and loss it to someone else to THEN rinse and repeat that process in HOPES that your item drops...geesh i can go on forever complain about WOW end game and the OP has the #^%%$ to complain about Eve-Onlines Skill system! and lets not even get on the topic about level grinding or being able to play with friends! "Oh im sorry man i cant group with you cause im out of your level range!" Heres to you OP, 010!
Paeniteo	Posted - 2007.10.23 11:52:00 - [82] Edited by: Paeniteo on 23/10/2007 11:55:41 I started EVE in 2003 after doing about a month's beta testing. I have quit and come back well over 5 times and never got a character over 9 million SP. Reason? CCP doesn't get around to fixing some very basic things which just bug me. And whenever there's a really bad decision by the balance team, it seems to take them a minimum of 1 year to fix it. CCP apparently has different priorities to people like me. Example: now they're adding ambulation. That's all good, but I'd rather see the story of the game get put into view, to a point that you're actually.. you know.. involved. The story is there in the background, but has no impact, it's like waking up in africa every morning and reading an italian newspaper - nowhere near close to home. That shafts pretty much any hope of immersion, so the game becomes a flexfest. The way I've seen it all along is they're going bat**** insane on new content without fleshing out what they already have, and it desperately, desperately needs fleshing out! And at the same time, the concept of EVE is more impressive to me than any other project out there. I always come back because other games are generic.
Shanur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.10.23 11:53:00 - [83] And just to tackle the OP's points and clarify why his attempt at sarcasm is classified as uninformed unfounded criticism: Graphical User Interface Given the level of control that you have over your ship, the possibilities that the GUI offers are fairly sufficient. And unknown to most, it IS possible to bind many actions to hotkeys, foregoing the right click menu. Now if this is a snide at the fact that EVE doesn't fly like a space sim, that is gameplay mechanics, not user interface. EVE is just not that kind of game. Try out Jumpgate if you want real flight physics. Documentation Sort of valid point. But then i dare you to find a single MMORPG of any depth that has up to date documentation. CCP does a fairly decent job of clarifying features in their dev blogs and forum posts. NPE Was this measured before or after revelations? I could have sworn serious effort was made to improve this. Training time In WoW the end game is constantly raiding other dungeons, constant drama over loot division and ever becoming more exclusive. In EVE the end game is learning T2 ships and capital ships. Both take ridiculously long, but at least in EVE you can do stuff you enjoy while training takes place, while in WoW you have to go on those inane raids and engage in sickening politics to make sure you won't get overlooked with upgrading your capabilities. Ship prices Up to the players. Not CCP. Invention did a lot to remove monopolies there. And new players generally lack the skills to fly T2 ships anyway. All T1 ships can be made from BPO's sold trough NPC sell orders. Who would want a ship they can't use for a year anyway? Both of these points hint strongly at "i expect instant gratification rather than being required to experience the more mundane sections of the game first". IF that is your qualm, you are not sarcastic, you are after an entirely different playing experience than what EVE can offer you. Trust As said. Water under the bridge. Even the epitome of MMORPG's, SOE has had a history of internal politics sometimes touching regular players (Read up on "Tweety" for example). Nothing remarkable if you have played several MMORPG's already. I dare you to point out how CCP could have responded better to the affair than they had. Lag Valid, but then again i dare you to find any MMORPG that doesn't crap out at heavy PvP encounters with a number of players coming even close to what EVE does. Closest you will get is probably Planetside, but even that suffers from framerate problems once there are more than about 200 people fighting in close proximity. It is a valid concern, but you fail at the suggestion that there are games that can tackle this challenge effectively. Population Blame it on the players. CCP did everything short of physically breaking up the trade hubs to prevent everyone and their dog from loitering in Jita and still they come. Even though there is no more mining there. Even though all mission NPC's there are of inferior quality. It is a genuine problem, but not one they are ignorant of. No one simply has found an end all solution yet. Races This is just players being uninformed. Not knowing that with a little effort you can make any bloodline somewhat balanced (yes there are some attribute differences but they are minor), or even forgetting that any race can learn any skill. While i am not surprised at the large number of CNR's flying around, i am surprised at the large number of Achura's. I blame that more to mass hysteria than to true inbalancing. And i dare you to find a race/bloodline that is truly gimped of becoming a productive player measured over all aspects of gameplay. Features Just because you dont like a feature doesn't mean others don't as well. Are you possitive this isn't just about CCP feeling a skill training queue is unbalanced?
Aaeolian Blue Ball Machine YTMND.	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:33:00 - [84] GUI Right click over abuse, and my wheel has just crapped out on my expensive wireless mouse :( Documentation Biggest fail I have seen in a game.. WTF. I love darwin but this is to much. New player Experience Long and tedious and still leaves you with unanswered questions. Insurmountable Training Time This doesnt bother me but how many players do you know that are just waiting to skill for their next toy before they spend more time on the game? Astronomical Ship Prices I dont agree with this, as it makes the adrenalin run when your shiny is on the line. Trust & Favoritism Obviously not made clear enough what happened. (Maybe its just some goons still spreading propaganda and lies) Lag When the most common recruitment line is: come join our small roaming gangs to get away from the lag monster, you know there is a problem. Overpopulation Centers Many possible fixes but still borked Unbalanced Races meh, use your brain You forgot to diss the website, which is so amateurish Parker Brothers would have been ashamed of it in 1992. True lol, and wtf is it doing on the same server as the game? my 2 ISK
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:47:00 - [85] GUI The only thing i wish some button to cycle trough locked targets:) Documentation where? New player Experience My tutorial agent got me podded like 5 mins after starting this game. Hauling mission trough amamake 0.4 i think:) Training Time Much better than any other form of XP grinding. Astronomical Ship Prices I agree the marked/invention does not 100% work as intended. For example Cerberus 60 mil Ishtar 100mil. Trust & Favoritism As long as GM's & DEV's are human they will abuse theyre power.. Lag This is realy a problem. If they do not manage to realize a stable 100vs100 or 200vs200. (i dont care if that means hardcap on systems or sharding) i probably not gonna renew my subscription (well probably not cause im addicted:) Overpopulation Centers Not realy a problem. I dont go to Jita often anyway:) Unbalanced Races Crosstrain.
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:59:00 - [86] Edited by: ry ry on 23/10/2007 13:00:16 i regularly enjoy chalk, and i also like cheese. after attempting to eat chalk whilst writing on a blackboard with a dairylea triangle several times, i acknowledge that they aren't the same. infact you could say that they are 'like Eve and WoW'. to coin a phrase.
zilllii Squirrel Power	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:05:00 - [87] Edited by: zilllii on 23/10/2007 13:05:13 Originally by: Pran Chole rabble...rabble...rabble...rant.... so what you are saying is that you are ***ed and want the same amount of skills and wealth as a 4year old player who actively trained and worked his money up for those 4 years in your 14day trial? gimme bigger letter count in my sig so it wont cut off everything damnit!!!!*
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:20:00 - [88] Originally by: Higgous I hear they are releasing ANOTHER carrot on a stick style expansion (which you have to buy by the way) that lets you get to lvl 80!!! Another year grinding from 70 to 80... enjoy buddy How long is it gonna take to get into those new t2 ships? -- Support fixing the EVE UI
Sun Ra Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:27:00 - [89] Edited by: Sun Ra on 23/10/2007 13:28:09 HAVE THE BALLS TO USE YOUR MAIN CHAR AT LEAST p$y
Snake Doctor Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:37:00 - [90] I was briefly entertained by this. Rifter Flight Manual!

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