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ThaDollaGenerale
Free Traders
Free Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:57:00 -
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I look foward to putting hte covert cyno generator on my ship.
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OneSock
Crown Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:58:00 -
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Devil is in the detail
Do we actually know the cap details of the kronos ?
The hyperion has about one of the worst cap regens and struggles to run 2 LAR2. Will the Kronos have similar problems ? Given that it's only got 4 mids and your losing two of them to AB and Web. OK you make up some cap regen on the 7th low if you put in a cap power relay, but still.
As a mission runner I don't want to have to fill that nice big cargo bay with cap boosters just to run the tank.
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perl
Citadel of dark arts
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Posted - 2007.10.23 16:07:00 -
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I'm pretty sure all marauders will get huge cargoholds... They forgot to type it......-....,
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.23 16:22:00 -
[64]
 Originally by: Fuazzole
Edited by: Fuazzole on 23/10/2007 12:07:18
I'm liking what i see, yes.
cept the bit..
megaT has 7 guns, this has effectivly 8
raven has 6 launchers this has effectivly 8
Apoc....oh
Paladin needs an extra turret or replacing the cap bonus with a damage bonus........ and what's up with mixing the racial tanking bonuses? 7.5% rep bonus? What happened to resist bonuses?
Liang
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Kaileen Starsong
Amarr
Down In Flames
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Posted - 2007.10.23 16:30:00 -
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 @ Paladin and Kronos, for exactly opposite reasons tho
Could've just said - "It's time to train gallente more, chaps"
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Khandara Seraphim
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Posted - 2007.10.23 16:32:00 -
[66]
I was looking forward to being able to use the covops cloak on the Black ops battleships... oh well, I like the rest.
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Surreptitious
Isk Sink Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 17:03:00 -
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Paladin sucks more than any new ship coming out.
Kronos owns more than any new ship coming out.
No need to type up such a long Devblog next time guys. Instead just put a line up that says "More of the same. Gallente win, Amarr lose and the rest are along for the ride."
A cap bonus on a ship with 4 guns? Seriously? You give lasers all the f'ings tracking in the world(including that web bonus) but how about some dps. And that web bonus is decent, but for PVE not much comes within 10KM and for PVP nothing that wants to stay outside 10KM will be caught, especially in these slow boats. Its not a very good bonus in my eyes.
For PVP im cool, both my PVP mains are Gallente but for my carebear who is Amarr I am sad.
Syrup
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simonsnizzle16
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 17:14:00 -
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"but with sensor strengths comparable to cruisers the Marauders can be jammed quite easily if they are not hardened with ECCM."
Taking a marauder into pvp may not always be a wise choice as a week old noob in a blackbird could jam one.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 23/10/2007 17:15:26
CCP can you move my BS and large gun skill from amarr to gallente? THX
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Faye Valerii
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 17:48:00 -
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CCP should leave the Kronos the way it is, but make it pink like the heavy interdictor.
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iiOs
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Posted - 2007.10.23 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Surreptitious
No need to type up such a long Devblog next time guys. Instead just put a line up that says "More of the same. Gallente win, Amarr lose and the rest are along for the ride."
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shinsushi
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Posted - 2007.10.23 17:52:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 23/10/2007 17:15:26
CCP can you move my BS and large gun skill from amarr to gallente? THX
QFT
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.23 18:35:00 -
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I think I'd rather sit down and discuss business ethics with Mr Ballmer than fly one of these marauders no matter what its stats are. These things are going to cost around the price of a carrier and insurance will barely cover the loss of one.
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.23 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Katrina Coreli
My initital interest is the Phobos
I can see people duel repping that with a med cap injector
If I read the description correctly you will not be able to be remote reped while the bubble mod is on.
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Sheamis Kast
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Posted - 2007.10.23 18:50:00 -
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What the hell CCP, no damage bonus on the Paladin?
Web bonus and a tracking bonus...Why do I need the extra tracking when my target can't move? Drop the tracking and add a damage bonus, and no rate of fire bull****. Without the Amarr "can use lasers bonus" (or a fix for lasers) the ship effectively has the cap use of 8 lasers while the Kronos has the cap use of 4 hybrids; yeah I am sure that +5% cap bonus will cover the difference. 
Kronos effectively has 8 bonused hybrids and a 125 cubic meter drone bay, while the Paladin gets an effective 8 unbonused lasers that cost 2.5 times as much cap and only a 75 cubic meter drone bay. Even if the cap bonus covered this difference the Paladin still loses in damage, and not by just a little.
8 Bonused Neut Blasters with standard ammo and no damage mods: 552dps
5 Ogre IIs: 317dps
Total: 869dps
8 Unbonused Mega Pulses with standard ammo and no damage mods: 384dps
5 Hammerhead IIs: 158dps
Total: 542dps
The dps on the Kronos is 60% better then the Paladin 60%!
+25% cap will not even begin to make that up. What is the use of this bonus, the extra cap use of the lasers draws more cap then the ship will get as a bonus, so not only does it do much less damage it has to go to greater lenghts to fit a perma-tank (for missions not PvP). In PvP the cap bonus is meaningless since these ships will be running cap boosters anyways. With the way guns work on these ships it can't even mount autocannons to circumvent the cap issues. The Paladin would actually be better off with the -10% to laser cap use bonus. Or better yet, fix lasers, they cost too much cap even on the ships with the cap use bonus.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.10.23 18:58:00 -
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Amarr doesn't even win on ******* range anymore. The Kronos with RAIL GUNS will outdamage the Paladin with MEGA PULSES AND SCORCH. My god this is ********.
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Sheamis Kast
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sheamis Kast on 23/10/2007 19:14:30
The Kronos, with rails, out damages and out ranges the Paladin the Mega Pulses and Scorch, with out even considering its drones.
*edit* Kronos + rails - drones > Paladin + Mega Pulses + drones
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shinsushi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
Amarr doesn't even win on ******* range anymore. The Kronos with RAIL GUNS will outdamage the Paladin with MEGA PULSES AND SCORCH. My god this is ********.
Not to mention just take a look at how freaking far minnies can now shoot. I thought +fittings +cap - damage - damage types - tracking was supposed to ensure that lasers had one advantage........... range.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: shinsushi
Originally by: Xequecal
Amarr doesn't even win on ******* range anymore. The Kronos with RAIL GUNS will outdamage the Paladin with MEGA PULSES AND SCORCH. My god this is ********.
Not to mention just take a look at how freaking far minnies can now shoot. I thought +fittings +cap - damage - damage types - tracking was supposed to ensure that lasers had one advantage........... range.
Honestly, the Vargur is almost as bad. Look at that powergrid. You can't fit howitzers on it at all.
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Praxis1452
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:26:00 -
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why does the gallente EAF only have 10m3 compared to the amarrs 60m3? I mean I'm all for boosting amarr but I like drones...
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Aramendel
Amarr
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:30:00 -
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Gallente has 2 gun slots.
Amarr has 0 (available) gun slots.
Do the math.
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shinsushi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:36:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Xequecal
Originally by: shinsushi
Originally by: Xequecal
Amarr doesn't even win on ******* range anymore. The Kronos with RAIL GUNS will outdamage the Paladin with MEGA PULSES AND SCORCH. My god this is ********.
Not to mention just take a look at how freaking far minnies can now shoot. I thought +fittings +cap - damage - damage types - tracking was supposed to ensure that lasers had one advantage........... range.
Honestly, the Vargur is almost as bad. Look at that powergrid. You can't fit howitzers on it at all.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:11:00 -
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Why on earth would you fit 1400mm on the Vargur when it has 30km falloff with 800 repeating artillery (45 with barrage)?
In any case, the Webifier bonus on the Paladin is IMHO wasted since it's very much inside the optimal (even with Multifrequency). Switch it out for a damagebonus (5% damage) or a bonus to rate of fire. With 37.5% extra tracking it should still be able to do its work.
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Kvaell
Minmatar
Terra Incognita
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:01:00 -
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Those ships are a blessing for the drone region ratter like me.
I can now kill two triple BS spawns before moving to a can/pos/outpost with the alloys.
As a minnie pilot I approve of the our ship. It's great, not nber sniper capable, is going to have fitting issues with MWD, cap booster and some extender/plates making the usual Tempest still a very viable ship as it has better options for different fitting.
My condolence for the Amarrian slavetraders. That ship is not a vastly improvement over the TI variant
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:26:00 -
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The Golem is nice. The Kronos is WTF. The Vargur is difficult to judge. The Paladin makes me scratch my head.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
STK Scientific
Black-Out
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:03:00 -
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Vargur can get just under 60km falloff with barrage and 2x falloff rigs... which is pretty nice...
But seriously CCP... Kronos?
What the hell?
That's the most overpowered piece of **** I've ever seen.
And seriously CCP... Paladin?
What the hell?
That's ... not the most underpowered piece of **** I've ever seen, but compared to the other ones (Okay, except maybe the Golem), it sucks. Badly.
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Rane Javoke
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:23:00 -
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i just read the Vargur boni and i'm thinking...
i) it has the highest speed of all marauders
ii) it gets a bonus to shield boosting
iii) extra falloff + tracking
iv) big (not the biggest though) cargo bay...
it sounds like it will do what the maelstrom couldn't : be a respectable, fast-ish, close-med range gang BS with a GODLY tank. imagine the non-hardpointed highslots filled with nos/neuts, mwd(or ab, since the autocannons will reach far enough on their own)/active shield tank/booster-ewar-w/e, low-slots filled with dmg mods and/or nanofibers.. i think it's a monster alright.
PS. nice touch with the cruiser-like sensor strenths CCP.seems like 2 ecm cruisers will definitely be able to shut down any marauder for good.
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Maedoc
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:49:00 -
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Personally, I don't have an opinion but I was like "WTF?!?" when I saw the T2 Apocalypse, I was practically praying for a T2 Abaddon. Hopefully as these are not set in stone they will fix these balance issues and bring these ships up to par.
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Sylper Illysten
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Posted - 2007.10.24 00:47:00 -
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Well it looks like the Raven will still remain the PvE ship of choice fo Caldari pilots. A painter bonus??? WTF??? Don;t get me started on the Golem's grid issues....
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ZenTex
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.24 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sylper Illysten
Well it looks like the Raven will still remain the PvE ship of choice fo Caldari pilots. A painter bonus??? WTF??? Don;t get me started on the Golem's grid issues....
Grid issues? What grid?
Still looks like an awesome PvE ship though with that extra mid and the boost bonus. But for PvP? No way, ever, while the Koronos and the Vagur look like PvP beasts.
Status quo once again. Gall/min for PvP. Caldari for PvE and amarr... Meh.
There's little a sledgehammer can't fix.
If you can't fix it, you need a bigger sledgehammer.
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