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Plave Okice Gallente 0utlaws	Posted - 2007.10.23 11:57:00 - [1] Edited by: Plave Okice on 23/10/2007 11:58:21 Not seen anyone else post about these yet, todays dev blog; http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=513 Still reading, initial thoughs soon. My main interest; Quote: * Hull: Megathron / Duvolle Labs * Slots: 7/4/7, 4 turrets * Fitting: 550tf, 12,000mw * Drones: 125Mbit/s bandwidth, 125m3 dronebay * Sensors: 13pt magnetometric, 10 target locks * Propulsion: 135m/s, 102,500,000kg * Tech II resistance bonus: 25% kinetic, 12.5% thermal * Cargo: 1275m3 Bonuses * 5% bonus to large hybrid turret damage per Gallente BS level * 2% bonus to stasis webifier velocity factor per Gallente BS level * 7.5% bonus to armor repair amount per Marauder level * 7.5% bonus to large hybrid turret tracking per Marauder level * Role bonus: 100% bonus to large hybrid turret damage * Role bonus: 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams Bonuses as expected
Plave Okice Gallente 0utlaws	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:05:00 - [2] No Cov Ops Cloak for the black ops ships it seems
Fuazzole	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:07:00 - [3] I'm liking what i see, yes. cept the bit.. megaT has 7 guns, this has effectivly 8 raven has 7 launchers this has effectivly 8 Apoc....oh
Seiryu VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:07:00 - [4] I like the marauders. Black Ops are kinda meh. ----True bravery is not lacking fear, but confronting it.----
Plave Okice Gallente 0utlaws	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:09:00 - [5] I like the Marauders more than I thought I would, always wanted a T2 Mega, they will be good, strong but not overpowered PvP ships (not bothered about NPCing), cost depending anyway. Faction BS will become cheaper.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:11:00 - [6] I really like the new ewar frigs. Especially the minmatar one
Trojanman190 Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:14:00 - [7] The price on T2 bs is going to be unbelievable.
OneSock Crown Industries	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:19:00 - [8] 4 mids on the kronos ? Ok ones going to be an AB/MWD and another a webber, so your down to two. Well I suppose it depends on the base cap regen but for Missions, those two mids will probably have to be cap rechargers. Will it have the cap for a decent tank ? Ok you can put in cap booster but then say byebye to your nice big cargo bay. Hmm, have to wait to see how it plays out config wise. :-/ Plus I assume it's 25mbit for a heavy/sentry, so what happened to the idea of giving a larger drone bay to provide greater flexibility ? Your stuck here with 5 heavy/sentry and no space for a set of lights.
Plave Okice Gallente 0utlaws	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Trojanman190 The price on T2 bs is going to be unbelievable. Wasn't that long ago plenty of people were spending a bill on Faction BS, won't be me though, I won't buy one unless they come under 500mill which they might never do.
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:25:00 - [10] My opinion: Black Ops ships: Very well balanced. I'm impressed. Marauders: Amarr gets ******. We get an Apocalypse sendoff with no damage bonus beyond the obligatory one, Gallente gets a 1500+ DPS monster with a damage bonus, tracking bonus, and 5 heavy drones. Not to mention enough fitting to add a dualrep tank and probably energy neutralizers on top of it.

Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:27:00 - [11] Jesus ******* Christ... can't believe Amarr get the shaft AGAIN... seriously... Paladin... WTF?
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:29:00 - [12] Originally by: Xequecal My opinion: Black Ops ships: Very well balanced. I'm impressed. Marauders: Amarr gets ******. We get an Apocalypse sendoff with no damage bonus beyond the obligatory one, Gallente gets a 1500+ DPS monster with a damage bonus, tracking bonus, and 5 heavy drones. Not to mention enough fitting to add a dualrep tank and probably energy neutralizers on top of it. You're forgetting a free double web - you get two webs for the price of one. The T2 Mega is going to be a bloody monster. At least they made them vunerable to ECM - everything else about the ships screams of 'own'. Oh, btw - does anyone know what the skill reqs of ewar frigs will be?
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Jesus ******* Christ... can't believe Amarr get the shaft AGAIN... seriously... Paladin... WTF? Eh, the Redeemer is excellent. And so is the Amarr EW frigate. If you want a solopwnmobile battleship with lasers, buy a Nightmare. It's a comparable price and a lot better than the Amarr/Caldari/Minmatar marauders. Not the Gallente one, of course, but you don't get to be overpowered if you don't pick Gallente.
Cryselle	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:32:00 - [14] Edited by: Cryselle on 23/10/2007 12:32:11 OMG Paladin, can someone beat some sense into CCP. 4 turrets and still cap usage reduction for lasers
Transcendant One	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:32:00 - [15] Golem looks weak. Target painter bonus on a near billion shield tanking ship? LOL. Not only that, it gets a shield boost amount bonus instead of resists. . And no damage/RoF, instead it gets explosion velocity. **** that I'll train something else, the Amarr one doesn't look any better either .
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:32:00 - [16] Originally by: Cpt Branko I really like the new ewar frigs. Especially the minmatar one Blegggh!! Target Painter bonus blegh!! ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Gralg Merglen Minmatar Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:34:00 - [17] everytime i see target painter bonus i think of the bellicose. Originally by: Graalum I can also confirm that the guristas pirates have a titan. We tried to kill it but unfortunately it mwded away at 5k/second and smacked us in local.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:34:00 - [18] Marauders are ok in general and definately step up from tech 1, but in case of mission running (and raven/CNR in particular) Golem does less damage than CNR if I'm not mistaken. Golem has 100% damage bonus and 4 launchers while CNR has 7 launchers with 5% per level RoF bonus (giving overall better damage, while using more ammo). As I have not tested them in action yet then too early to panic. Perhaps they are actually better in missions thanx to that explocion velocity bonus in addition to good base damage. We will see.
Transcendant One	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:36:00 - [19] I like the widow at first sight, but it seems counterproductive to give it two missile bonuses since its an ECM ship and won't be running BCUs in those lows anyway.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:37:00 - [20] Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: Cpt Branko I really like the new ewar frigs. Especially the minmatar one Blegggh!! Target Painter bonus blegh!! Yeah, that part sucks, but our ewar ships have the obligatory useless bonus, what do you expect? However, I can live with three bonuses to get the low mass + high speed + 18-20km web ;)

Entity One	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:37:00 - [21] It would seem that CCP was lying when they said T2 BS's wouldn't be the new "pwnmobiles." The T2 Megathron is absolutely ridiculous. It has more effective turrets than the T1 Mega, while at the same time retaining the same slot layout. It also has a web bonus that is somewhat equivalent to a damage bonus based on the target. It can also outtank a hyperion, which is supposed to the the tier 3 tanking BS. On top of that, it has a ridiculous cargo bay that roughly amounts to a setup that will run over two times longer than a T1 mega before capping out, while at the same time using less cap because it's running 4 guns instead of 7. In any case, I'm getting one. :)
Fuazzole	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:41:00 - [22] Originally by: Transcendant One Golem looks weak. Target painter bonus on a near billion shield tanking ship? LOL. Not only that, it gets a shield boost amount bonus instead of resists. . And no damage/RoF, instead it gets explosion velocity. **** that I'll train something else, the Amarr one doesn't look any better either . This things your slatting are not to be under estimated
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:42:00 - [23] The black ops ships are insane. They're basicly battleship sized stealthbombers, and they can open up a jump portal that can send Stealthships into a system 4 lightyears away . Still. Not solopwnmachines, so that's good. As for the Paladin. Slightly disappointed, but I guess we have a ship now that can fit the equivalent of 8 Tachyons without giving up all its lows for RCUIIs and caprelays. Mostly I'm disappointed because it's basically a pre-nerfed Kronos (slower, less agile, probably half the firepower, fewer drones and the same slotting). ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
zilllii Squirrel Power	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:43:00 - [24] Originally by: Fuazzole Edited by: Fuazzole on 23/10/2007 12:07:18 I'm liking what i see, yes. cept the bit.. megaT has 7 guns, this has effectivly 8 raven has 6 launchers this has effectivly 8 Apoc....oh Apoc has 8guns and effectively 4guns gimme bigger letter count in my sig so it wont cut off everything damnit!!!!
Transcendant One	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Fuazzole This things your slatting are not to be under estimated I'm sure they're great at killing abing frigates. Awesome.
Fuazzole	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Transcendant One Originally by: Fuazzole This things your slatting are not to be under estimated I'm sure they're great at killing abing frigates. Awesome. Or alowing the new imba torp DPS to "work"
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:46:00 - [27] i have a short question about black op ships.. are they able to fly in empire? and use the portals in empire? ->My Vids<-
Transcendant One	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Fuazzole Or alowing the new imba torp DPS to "work" The t1 raven has 6 launchers with 25% RoF, that's 33% damage. Factor in reload time and their damage will be about equal. I suspect few people will use painters on the golem, and will instead let their gangmates do that while running a larger tank and ignore the bonus entirely.
FawKa Gallente x13	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:55:00 - [29] Such a laugh CCP makes a ship to make missions in with the dps and alpha greater than most other BSs ^^ Anyways, can someone post a screenie of skill's needed?
Mamarto Minmatar Dead Pirates' Society	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:58:00 - [30] These are the skills we know so far I think.

Bazan Kor STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:59:00 - [31] Originally by: Xequecal The Kronos with 3x faction magstab and a neutron fit does 1800 DPS. 1800 DPS. You can fit 2x LAR, MWD, and 3 energy neutralizers on it too, and run these off the 1275m3 cargohold full of cap charges. It's the most ridiculous ship ever implemented, ever. The Paladin does less than half the DPS of this monster. Jamming ftw... EVE Online, where the bugs are prettier.
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:01:00 - [32] Edited by: Gypsio III on 23/10/2007 13:02:02 Quote: The Kronos with 3x faction magstab and a neutron fit does 1800 DPS. 1800 DPS. You can fit 2x LAR, MWD, and 3 energy neutralizers on it too, and run these off the 1275m3 cargohold full of cap charges. It's the most ridiculous ship ever implemented, ever. I hope there's a typo in the Golem PG. Sure you can fit some Siege IIs on... just not much else after that. Very rough and most likely inaccurate calculations suggest you'll need 2 RCU IIs to fit a MWD and heavy cap booster as well? Add a XLSB and you might need a third? And what about smartbombs, nos or neuts in the other highslots?
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:04:00 - [33] Originally by: Bazan Kor Originally by: Garia666 i have a short question about black op ships.. are they able to fly in empire? and use the portals in empire? I would assume not on the portals same as it is now, but they should be able to move in empire because they can use regular jump gates. make sence cheers.. however it would give a new meaning to empire warfare ->My Vids<-
Saietor Blackgreen	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:04:00 - [34] Gotta agree, Amarr got the slackiest T2 BS. Matari one looks a lot like awesome mission ship (a good thing, something to dilute that CNR domination in this), while Gallente is a horrible PvP machine again - I REALLY doubt anyone will use it as PvE boat. Lets just HOPE they will adjust those setups before dumping them to TQ.
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:10:00 - [35] Originally by: Bazan Kor Originally by: Xequecal The Kronos with 3x faction magstab and a neutron fit does 1800 DPS. 1800 DPS. You can fit 2x LAR, MWD, and 3 energy neutralizers on it too, and run these off the 1275m3 cargohold full of cap charges. It's the most ridiculous ship ever implemented, ever. The Paladin does less than half the DPS of this monster. Jamming ftw... Although jamming is certainly ftw, this is a balancing factor for the entire class, not for individual ships.
bldyannoyed Un4seen Development	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:11:00 - [36] The Kronos does indeed look scary as all hell. But just stop the insane rabble for a second. The Kronos gets 14% more turret DPS than a Megathron, or, to put it another way, the same dps as a Federate issue Megathron. A Fedathron with 8 neutron II, void,3 Cormack Modified Magstabs and 5 Ogre II's does about 1500 DPS. Therefore a Kronos does about 1500 DPS with that insane multi billion isk setup. NOT 1800 DPS. It's not really that much more terrifying. I feel for the Amarrs though cos the Paladinn does indeed suck balls.
Red Harvest	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:24:00 - [37] The Sentinel made me cry. Hope my Cruor gets some kind of boost too or its pretty much obsolete.
Nyx STeeLGamers	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:33:00 - [38] i hoped that the sin was a mistake, i hoped the Mega was a black ops, and domi was the new missionrunner. but now i see, it isnt, and what a shame ;/ imo Mega looks 1000 times more like a CovOp than the Domi, and why 400m3 dronecap to a blackop ? wtf:P
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:36:00 - [39] Originally by: bldyannoyed The Kronos does indeed look scary as all hell. But just stop the insane rabble for a second. The Kronos gets 14% more turret DPS than a Megathron, or, to put it another way, the same dps as a Federate issue Megathron. A Fedathron with 8 neutron II, void,3 Cormack Modified Magstabs and 5 Ogre II's does about 1500 DPS. Therefore a Kronos does about 1500 DPS with that insane multi billion isk setup. NOT 1800 DPS. It's not really that much more terrifying. I feel for the Amarrs though cos the Paladinn does indeed suck balls. Really? I get 1683 by going into EFT and fitting a Megathron with 4 turrets, dividing by 1.25, then multiplying by 2 and then by 1.25. Then I add 317 for the DPS of 5x Ogre II and I hit 1683 DPS. I admit I guessed at the 1800 DPS, but with 4 Magstabs it hits 1800. You are forgetting your damage implants, if you're going to PvP in a close range 2bil isk gank boat you damn well better have them.
mama guru Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:39:00 - [40] Stop please, just add the dps of a hyperions guns with 5x ogre II's and you got your kronos dps. -YOU ARE NOW READING MY SIGNATURE- EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.

bldyannoyed Un4seen Development	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:43:00 - [41] Originally by: Xequecal Originally by: bldyannoyed The Kronos does indeed look scary as all hell. But just stop the insane rabble for a second. The Kronos gets 14% more turret DPS than a Megathron, or, to put it another way, the same dps as a Federate issue Megathron. A Fedathron with 8 neutron II, void,3 Cormack Modified Magstabs and 5 Ogre II's does about 1500 DPS. Therefore a Kronos does about 1500 DPS with that insane multi billion isk setup. NOT 1800 DPS. It's not really that much more terrifying. I feel for the Amarrs though cos the Paladinn does indeed suck balls. Really? I get 1683 by going into EFT and fitting a Megathron with 4 turrets, dividing by 1.25, then multiplying by 2 and then by 1.25. Then I add 317 for the DPS of 5x Ogre II and I hit 1683 DPS. I admit I guessed at the 1800 DPS, but with 4 Magstabs it hits 1800. You are forgetting your damage implants, if you're going to PvP in a close range 2bil isk gank boat you damn well better have them. I just fitted a Fedathron on EFT. 1500 dps with with 3 cormack modded mfs. Didnt have implants tho.
Fuazzole	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:44:00 - [42] Originally by: mama guru Stop please, just add the dps of a hyperions guns with 5x ogre II's and you got your kronos dps. hyp dont easly do neuts. and using 5 heavys only losses you flexability. Lots of DPS is gud, but EW/medium dorne combo I think would be more optimium
Tomar Lyonsbane Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:44:00 - [43] The thing that caught my eye was: Quote: ...the Warp Disruption Field Generator, which prevents all ships within its range from warping or jumping...
Incantare Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:46:00 - [44] It's official, the devs play Gallente. I'm thoroughly disapointed in the Golem. The painting bonus will be great to some mission runner who can afford the slots for painters by running a pimped out tank but for pvp, no thanks. I'd rather have an alt tug along in a bellicose. The Paladin is a big letdown as well, it's like a gimped Kronos with lasers and no damage bonus. Not worth it .
Stork DK Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:48:00 - [45] I foresee my hyena killing many many crows in the future Wonder what ranks the skills are .o? -------------- Triumdicta > we're getting a new kind of ore? omiNATION > CAREBEAR ALERT
mama guru Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:48:00 - [46] Originally by: Fuazzole Originally by: mama guru Stop please, just add the dps of a hyperions guns with 5x ogre II's and you got your kronos dps. hyp dont easly do neuts. and using 5 heavys only losses you flexability. Lots of DPS is gud, but EW/medium dorne combo I think would be more optimium I was not suggesting any setups, im just saying its rediculous to jump on the overpowerd gallente bandwagon just out of the blue like that. -YOU ARE NOW READING MY SIGNATURE- EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
NateX Singularity. YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:49:00 - [47] Would love to see the range on the guns on that Valgurs!
Nyx STeeLGamers	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:49:00 - [48] Originally by: Incantare It's official, the devs play Gallente. I'm thoroughly disapointed in the Golem. The painting bonus will be great to some mission runner who can afford the slots for painters by running a pimped out tank but for pvp, no thanks. I'd rather have an alt tug along in a bellicose. The Paladin is a big letdown as well, it's like a gimped Kronos with lasers and no damage bonus. Not worth it . i would rather fly a sniper, instead of a 2bill closerange 1800 DPS ship, and the risk for dying.. remember, when the gall boat is jammed, what do it have left then?
Katrina Coreli toxicology	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:51:00 - [49] My initital interest is the Phobos I can see people duel repping that with a med cap injector. The tank is going to be mad, its going to have the tank of a duel rep myrmi. Dps wouldnt be too great but could be an interesting bait ship/bubbler THE CAKE IS A LIE!
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:56:00 - [50] Originally by: bldyannoyed I just fitted a Fedathron on EFT. 1500 dps with with 3 cormack modded mfs. Didnt have implants tho. 1615 on a fedathron with 8xNeutron blaster cannon II (void) (equal to the 4x100%s on the Kronos), 5xOgre IIs, 3x Cormack modded MFS, max skills, Lancer G-2 Delta and a Deadeye ZGL 1000. 1597 with CN Antimatter. Theoretical maximum would be 1879 DPS, but that's with 7x Cormacks and 2x Burst aerator II rigs (not a very likely setup). 4 cormacks and 2x Burst aerators is 1845. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.

Inigo Firebird FireTech Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:00:00 - [51] Has anybody noticed this very interesting paragraph? Heavy interdictors are cruiser equivalents of the destroyer based interdictors, which combine area of effect warp disruption with the tanking capabilities of Heavy Assault Ships. Rather than using warp disrupt probes, the heavy interdictors use a module, the Warp Disruption Field Generator, which prevents all ships within its range from warping or jumping Im thinking that if one is deployed on a gate that you wont be able to jump through? Or am I reading this wrong? If this is the case then 0.0 just became a lot more interesting. In space licking your frozen corpse !
Skaaj FireStar Inc	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:08:00 - [52] Originally by: Inigo Firebird Has anybody noticed this very interesting paragraph? Heavy interdictors are cruiser equivalents of the destroyer based interdictors, which combine area of effect warp disruption with the tanking capabilities of Heavy Assault Ships. Rather than using warp disrupt probes, the heavy interdictors use a module, the Warp Disruption Field Generator, which prevents all ships within its range from warping or jumping Im thinking that if one is deployed on a gate that you wont be able to jump through? Or am I reading this wrong? If this is the case then 0.0 just became a lot more interesting. Think they mean warping and cyno jumping, they wouldn't create a module that takes offline stargates
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:14:00 - [53] omglol Worst set of changes ever. Glad I dont activly play anymore. T1 BS where allways touted as "not supposed to be a solopwnmobile" then they go and relese T2 BS that are immune to frigs, deal Teir3 BS damage with tanking bonuses and webbing/tracking/hitting small stuff bonuses Seriously, good going ccp The only thing I like out of thse changes are the ewar frigs.
DARTHxFREE G.R.U.N.T	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:17:00 - [54] Let's wait to test thigns before going mental, I realy don't see the smelabin being that bad. Rack of Tachyons that work point blank too, thats hell ova versitility. Fast crystal switching and infinate ammo, might not beat DPS of some ships on equal ground but thats biased grounds to compare on. The potentialy weakest ship I see here would be the Golem, Torps do stupid dmg on test server and with the given bonus's it would be a hellraiser in "effective" dmg, but just doesnt look to have the PG/mass/base speed to pull off a MWD PvP isn't a duel starting at 10km >:-E3 /join Cheeze & Whine Club
Mudkest MetaForge Ekliptika	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:27:00 - [55] Originally by: Cpt Branko Oh, btw - does anyone know what the skill reqs of ewar frigs will be? frigate lvl5(duh) and ewarship skill(wich needs electronics upgrades 5 i think, not sure where I saw that and cant find link for it though) ----- GIEV custom ship paint jobs! I want my hello-kitty-kessie!
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:29:00 - [56] The Golem will suck for missions with only 4 launchers, since the NPCs kill 2 or 3 of your missiles anyway. I wonder if CCP considered that? And what's with the laser cap use bonus on the Paladin?
goodby4u Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:40:00 - [57] Christ,both the paladin and golem are wtf....I mean minmatar and gellente are obviously better at dps,and for what their roles are(appearently ratting)are so much better at it. Oh yeah,not solo pwnmobiles?I wonder how a 8 neutron 3 energy neuting 1k cargo bay for cap booster tanka mega will perform.... __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Dave10 Sulithus	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:49:00 - [58] Edited by: Dave10 on 23/10/2007 14:50:53 Originally by: goodby4u Christ,both the paladin and golem are wtf....I mean minmatar and gellente are obviously better at dps,and for what their roles are(appearently ratting)are so much better at it. Oh yeah,not solo pwnmobiles?I wonder how a 8 neutron 3 energy neuting 1k cargo bay for cap booster tanka mega will perform.... abit crap, due to the lack of being able to fit 3 energy neuts with any sort of tank. And oh, to fit everything except 3 energy neuts you're left with 1 rig slot. So the tank will be somewhat lacking the ~50km AC vargur is somewhat a bigger concern
Subruz	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:44:00 - [59] Great, CCP just made it even harder for new players. They basicly spell certain death for anyone sub-capital that's not fitting a damp or jamming setup (or well, a speed setup could save you aswell, speed is the answer to everything it seems). On top of it all they made the tech 2 BS pretty much like their little brothers with the same issues, we'll see a whole lot of tech 2 blasterthrons now - that's for sure.
DARTHxFREE G.R.U.N.T	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:47:00 - [60] If wouldn't feel terribly confident 1v1 in a marauder vs just about anything with that EW hole /join Cheeze & Whine Club

ThaDollaGenerale Free Traders Free Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:57:00 - [61] I look foward to putting hte covert cyno generator on my ship.
OneSock Crown Industries	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:58:00 - [62] Devil is in the detail Do we actually know the cap details of the kronos ? The hyperion has about one of the worst cap regens and struggles to run 2 LAR2. Will the Kronos have similar problems ? Given that it's only got 4 mids and your losing two of them to AB and Web. OK you make up some cap regen on the 7th low if you put in a cap power relay, but still. As a mission runner I don't want to have to fill that nice big cargo bay with cap boosters just to run the tank.
perl Citadel of dark arts	Posted - 2007.10.23 16:07:00 - [63] I'm pretty sure all marauders will get huge cargoholds... They forgot to type it......-...., Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.23 16:22:00 - [64] Originally by: Fuazzole Edited by: Fuazzole on 23/10/2007 12:07:18 I'm liking what i see, yes. cept the bit.. megaT has 7 guns, this has effectivly 8 raven has 6 launchers this has effectivly 8 Apoc....oh Paladin needs an extra turret or replacing the cap bonus with a damage bonus........ and what's up with mixing the racial tanking bonuses? 7.5% rep bonus? What happened to resist bonuses? Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.10.23 16:30:00 - [65] @ Paladin and Kronos, for exactly opposite reasons tho Could've just said - "It's time to train gallente more, chaps"
Khandara Seraphim	Posted - 2007.10.23 16:32:00 - [66] I was looking forward to being able to use the covops cloak on the Black ops battleships... oh well, I like the rest.
Surreptitious Isk Sink Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 17:03:00 - [67] Paladin sucks more than any new ship coming out. Kronos owns more than any new ship coming out. No need to type up such a long Devblog next time guys. Instead just put a line up that says "More of the same. Gallente win, Amarr lose and the rest are along for the ride." A cap bonus on a ship with 4 guns? Seriously? You give lasers all the f'ings tracking in the world(including that web bonus) but how about some dps. And that web bonus is decent, but for PVE not much comes within 10KM and for PVP nothing that wants to stay outside 10KM will be caught, especially in these slow boats. Its not a very good bonus in my eyes. For PVP im cool, both my PVP mains are Gallente but for my carebear who is Amarr I am sad. Syrup
simonsnizzle16 Endgame.	Posted - 2007.10.23 17:14:00 - [68] "but with sensor strengths comparable to cruisers the Marauders can be jammed quite easily if they are not hardened with ECCM." Taking a marauder into pvp may not always be a wise choice as a week old noob in a blackbird could jam one.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 17:15:00 - [69] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 23/10/2007 17:15:26 CCP can you move my BS and large gun skill from amarr to gallente? THX
Faye Valerii Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 17:48:00 - [70] CCP should leave the Kronos the way it is, but make it pink like the heavy interdictor.

iiOs	Posted - 2007.10.23 17:52:00 - [71] Originally by: Surreptitious No need to type up such a long Devblog next time guys. Instead just put a line up that says "More of the same. Gallente win, Amarr lose and the rest are along for the ride."
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.10.23 17:52:00 - [72] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 23/10/2007 17:15:26 CCP can you move my BS and large gun skill from amarr to gallente? THX QFT
Mourn Navarre Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:35:00 - [73] I think I'd rather sit down and discuss business ethics with Mr Ballmer than fly one of these marauders no matter what its stats are. These things are going to cost around the price of a carrier and insurance will barely cover the loss of one.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:43:00 - [74] Originally by: Katrina Coreli My initital interest is the Phobos I can see people duel repping that with a med cap injector If I read the description correctly you will not be able to be remote reped while the bubble mod is on. Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli
Sheamis Kast	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:50:00 - [75] What the hell CCP, no damage bonus on the Paladin? Web bonus and a tracking bonus...Why do I need the extra tracking when my target can't move? Drop the tracking and add a damage bonus, and no rate of fire bull**. Without the Amarr "can use lasers bonus" (or a fix for lasers) the ship effectively has the cap use of 8 lasers while the Kronos has the cap use of 4 hybrids; yeah I am sure that +5% cap bonus will cover the difference. Kronos effectively has 8 bonused hybrids and a 125 cubic meter drone bay, while the Paladin gets an effective 8 unbonused lasers that cost 2.5 times as much cap and only a 75 cubic meter drone bay. Even if the cap bonus covered this difference the Paladin still loses in damage, and not by just a little. 8 Bonused Neut Blasters with standard ammo and no damage mods: 552dps 5 Ogre IIs: 317dps Total: 869dps 8 Unbonused Mega Pulses with standard ammo and no damage mods: 384dps 5 Hammerhead IIs: 158dps Total: 542dps The dps on the Kronos is 60% better then the Paladin 60%**! +25% cap will not even begin to make that up. What is the use of this bonus, the extra cap use of the lasers draws more cap then the ship will get as a bonus, so not only does it do much less damage it has to go to greater lenghts to fit a perma-tank (for missions not PvP). In PvP the cap bonus is meaningless since these ships will be running cap boosters anyways. With the way guns work on these ships it can't even mount autocannons to circumvent the cap issues. The Paladin would actually be better off with the -10% to laser cap use bonus. Or better yet, fix lasers, they cost too much cap even on the ships with the cap use bonus.
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:58:00 - [76] Amarr doesn't even win on ***** range anymore. The Kronos with RAIL GUNS will outdamage the Paladin with MEGA PULSES AND SCORCH. My god this is ******.
Sheamis Kast	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:13:00 - [77] Edited by: Sheamis Kast on 23/10/2007 19:14:30 The Kronos, with rails, out damages and out ranges the Paladin the Mega Pulses and Scorch, with out even considering its drones. edit Kronos + rails - drones > Paladin + Mega Pulses + drones
shinsushi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:17:00 - [78] Originally by: Xequecal Amarr doesn't even win on ***** range anymore. The Kronos with RAIL GUNS will outdamage the Paladin with MEGA PULSES AND SCORCH. My god this is *****. Not to mention just take a look at how freaking far minnies can now shoot. I thought +fittings +cap - damage - damage types - tracking was supposed to ensure that lasers had one advantage........... range. AMARR - Taking it up the butt since 2005*
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:19:00 - [79] Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Xequecal Amarr doesn't even win on ***** range anymore. The Kronos with RAIL GUNS will outdamage the Paladin with MEGA PULSES AND SCORCH. My god this is ******. Not to mention just take a look at how freaking far minnies can now shoot. I thought +fittings +cap - damage - damage types - tracking was supposed to ensure that lasers had one advantage........... range. Honestly, the Vargur is almost as bad. Look at that powergrid. You can't fit howitzers on it at all.
Praxis1452	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:26:00 - [80] why does the gallente EAF only have 10m3 compared to the amarrs 60m3? I mean I'm all for boosting amarr but I like drones...

Aramendel Amarr North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:30:00 - [81] Gallente has 2 gun slots. Amarr has 0 (available) gun slots. Do the math.
shinsushi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:36:00 - [82] Originally by: Xequecal Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Xequecal Amarr doesn't even win on ***** range anymore. The Kronos with RAIL GUNS will outdamage the Paladin with MEGA PULSES AND SCORCH. My god this is *****. Not to mention just take a look at how freaking far minnies can now shoot. I thought +fittings +cap - damage - damage types - tracking was supposed to ensure that lasers had one advantage........... range. Honestly, the Vargur is almost as bad. Look at that powergrid. You can't fit howitzers on it at all. Welcome to the world of tachyons. AMARR - Taking it up the butt since 2005*
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.10.23 20:11:00 - [83] Why on earth would you fit 1400mm on the Vargur when it has 30km falloff with 800 repeating artillery (45 with barrage)? In any case, the Webifier bonus on the Paladin is IMHO wasted since it's very much inside the optimal (even with Multifrequency). Switch it out for a damagebonus (5% damage) or a bonus to rate of fire. With 37.5% extra tracking it should still be able to do its work. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Kvaell Minmatar Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:01:00 - [84] Those ships are a blessing for the drone region ratter like me. I can now kill two triple BS spawns before moving to a can/pos/outpost with the alloys. As a minnie pilot I approve of the our ship. It's great, not nber sniper capable, is going to have fitting issues with MWD, cap booster and some extender/plates making the usual Tempest still a very viable ship as it has better options for different fitting. My condolence for the Amarrian slavetraders. That ship is not a vastly improvement over the TI variant
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:26:00 - [85] The Golem is nice. The Kronos is WTF. The Vargur is difficult to judge. The Paladin makes me scratch my head. Buff room for large link addresses in sigs plz :(
Terianna Eri Amarr STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:03:00 - [86] Vargur can get just under 60km falloff with barrage and 2x falloff rigs... which is pretty nice... But seriously CCP... Kronos? What the hell? That's the most overpowered piece of ** I've ever seen. And seriously CCP... Paladin? What the hell? That's ... not the most underpowered piece of ** I've ever seen, but compared to the other ones (Okay, except maybe the Golem), it sucks. Badly. :( __________________________________
Rane Javoke Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:23:00 - [87] i just read the Vargur boni and i'm thinking... i) it has the highest speed of all marauders ii) it gets a bonus to shield boosting iii) extra falloff + tracking iv) big (not the biggest though) cargo bay... it sounds like it will do what the maelstrom couldn't : be a respectable, fast-ish, close-med range gang BS with a GODLY tank. imagine the non-hardpointed highslots filled with nos/neuts, mwd(or ab, since the autocannons will reach far enough on their own)/active shield tank/booster-ewar-w/e, low-slots filled with dmg mods and/or nanofibers.. i think it's a monster alright. PS. nice touch with the cruiser-like sensor strenths CCP.seems like 2 ecm cruisers will definitely be able to shut down any marauder for good. Signature Your signature exceeds the 24000 byte limit allowed on the forums. -Darth Patches Jeez, by 17 bytes
Maedoc	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:49:00 - [88] Personally, I don't have an opinion but I was like "WTF?!?" when I saw the T2 Apocalypse, I was practically praying for a T2 Abaddon. Hopefully as these are not set in stone they will fix these balance issues and bring these ships up to par.
Sylper Illysten	Posted - 2007.10.24 00:47:00 - [89] Well it looks like the Raven will still remain the PvE ship of choice fo Caldari pilots. A painter bonus??? WTF??? Don;t get me started on the Golem's grid issues....
ZenTex Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.24 01:27:00 - [90] Originally by: Sylper Illysten Well it looks like the Raven will still remain the PvE ship of choice fo Caldari pilots. A painter bonus??? WTF??? Don;t get me started on the Golem's grid issues.... Grid issues? What grid? Still looks like an awesome PvE ship though with that extra mid and the boost bonus. But for PvP? No way, ever, while the Koronos and the Vagur look like PvP beasts. Status quo once again. Gall/min for PvP. Caldari for PvE and amarr... Meh. There's little a sledgehammer can't fix. If you can't fix it, you need a bigger sledgehammer. If it's unfixable, blame CCP. :p

Commander Prishe Caldari The LoneStar Corp Edge Of Sanity	Posted - 2007.10.24 02:13:00 - [91] Change gollems rubbish bonuses from 10% missile velocity and 10% explosion velocity (wtf) too 5% missile damage and 5% Rate of fire per level and ill be happy. Also remove the crappy target painter skills, no mission runner is gonna use slots for target painters and change it to a skill which takes 2 defender missiles to take out a cruise. After running a lot of caldari level 4 missions one of the most anoying things are the defenders taking out cruise missiles. will end up with 1 or 2 missiles hitting on most volleys. Also please get of your asses and make a salvage class of ship and not incorporate it into a ******* BS
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.24 02:20:00 - [92] Originally by: Commander Prishe Change gollems rubbish bonuses from 10% missile velocity and 10% explosion velocity (wtf) too 5% missile damage and 5% Rate of fire per level and ill be happy. Also remove the crappy target painter skills, no mission runner is gonna use slots for target painters and change it to a skill which takes 2 defender missiles to take out a cruise. After running a lot of caldari level 4 missions one of the most anoying things are the defenders taking out cruise missiles. will end up with 1 or 2 missiles hitting on most volleys. Also please get of your asses and make a salvage class of ship and not incorporate it into a ******* BS nice summ up quite my thoughts
Fuazzole	Posted - 2007.10.24 15:43:00 - [93] Originally by: Xequecal The Kronos with 3x faction magstab and a neutron fit does 1800 DPS. 1800 DPS. You can fit 2x LAR, MWD, and 3 energy neutralizers on it too, I doo'd maths, could be wrong but Kronos - 15,000PG 4x Ion II --- 100mn MWD II Heavy Cap Booster II --- 2x Large Armor Rep II those basic's leave you with 484pg


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