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Sandzibarr A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.10.24 14:18:00 - [121] Originally by: phillie blunt please leave the turret hardpoint to 7!!!! why? if you need 7 turrets then your not using ganglinks anyway... so go fly an astarte.. its better for turrets.
Majickthise	Posted - 2007.10.24 14:50:00 - [122] Edited by: Majickthise on 24/10/2007 14:55:03 what about... eos with 125Mb bandwidth and a 100m3 drone bay. 5 high (2 turrets) 6 mids 6 lows 7.5% per BC level drone damage / hp 7.5% armor rep effectiveness per BC level +50m drone bay per CS level +3% IW ganglinks effectivness per CS level bit more drone user friendly. bit more tanky. dps is much lower than current on TQ.
Justice Bringer Minmatar Space-Bar FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.10.24 14:52:00 - [123] Originally by: Barthezz Edited by: Barthezz on 24/10/2007 14:05:50 Cross training to another fleet command ship takes a whopping +-20 days (depending on attributes / implants). I personally went for the absolution instead of the claymore because the tank on the absolution is much better while still allowing me to tackle people. Ever tried to fit a claymore for 'normal' gang operations? You know the parts where you need at least an MWD and Injector? That leaves you 4 mid slots for a tank (and no tackle gear). Yea if you go pure tank (which is still only a 5 slot tank, as you still need an injector), it could perhaps be better then an EOS. But an EOS gets a good tank + injector + tackle gear while the claymore watches people warp off (or not tank). It was a needed nerf, it was too powerful and I do think its more inline with other fleet command ships. Its perhaps no longer top dog, but each command ship has its own pro's / con's. [note I said good tank, not great] You're looking at this in the entirely wrong way. Fleet Command ships is what they are, not heavy tacklers, or dmg dealers, nor interceptors, nor combat recons. They should not be engaging in any battle what so ever, and should sit beyond the conflict range and provide the fleet bonuses to all. The fact that people use them for missions/solo piracy etc is neither here nor there and I think it's good that CCP have addressed this. If you're going solo then why not use the Absolution as it will get the job done a lot quicker? If, however, you're in a small gang then sure the Damnation has the ability to use more gang links. I don't think they've got it right though because according to their own blog they stated the following: "Drones Revisited "About time" is probably the first thing that comes to mind. Not only are we improving the interface, we're working on the logic behind them. This should hopefully lead to them being more consistent in control and abolish their free will. Assist and Guard are new commands coming in, we're getting lots of new named drones and we're adding a new constraint on drones, bandwidth. With this, bandwidth determines the number of drones you can control, allowing the dronebay to be considerably increased on drone ships, accommodating more waves or variety. Ubar? Ja! " See the bit about the drone bay being increased? Well I have command lvl 5 and my Eos on the Test Server can only carry 225m3 of drones, so that's down from 300m3 at lvl 5. So not exactly a smart thing to say on their part and then go and change the entire ships makeup. They added the Drone Bandwidth which is fine, but then reduce the bonus the Eos actually has from 50m3 drone bay size down to 15m3. So not only does it loose the 2 turrets on top (which I agree with) it no longer has the ability to field 5 un bonused heavies. My question is WHY ????? The Damnation is probably the best Fleet Command ship to fit the role properly as it can have a very good tank, which it needs to be able to sit back and do nothing (especially if it gets called primary) but it can still defend itself with 5 x HAM IIs and 5 light drones untill it needs to warp out or the battle is won. As others have already stated in this post the Eos has been 'un-designed' one step too far in my opinion and as a 'drone ship' it should be able to field 5 heavy drones due to it's drone bay size but not in conjunction with 7 turrets. Just my observations. Justice
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.10.24 15:10:00 - [124] I say 4 turrets and let it field 4 heavies + 1 medium, same drone bay size at 5. Infowar links blow, though I havent tried increasing sensor damps. That may be useful in fleet ops. ----------------- Friends Forever Kill. BoB. Dead.
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.24 15:24:00 - [125] Originally by: Justice Bringer See the bit about the drone bay being increased? Actually all I can see is "allowing the dronebay to be considerably increased on drone ships", not that anyone is actually even considering really doing it. --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.10.24 16:05:00 - [126] Originally by: Valea Silpha Just because something is THE BEST doesn't make it worthless. Your all bleeting because your fleet command is no longer a gank ship... well too bad for you. My claymore does... well ... less than impressive DPS. But you know what ? I use my claymore like its supposed to be used. It has a minimum of two gang links on it at all times, and aside from that is deigned to survive long enough to make its bonuses count. By ghad. Are you lot really this ****ed? Especially Lyria Skydancer, who's been spamming this thread without making any sense. In response to the highlighted part of the quote. THAT is the issue. You can't use an Eos "like its supposed to be used".** Is it really that hard to get it into your heads? The Eos is now a completely worthless ship. As in, it's not worth a single isk more than the minerals you get when you recycle it. Because the ship is now useless for combat without gang-links, and it's already useless for combat with ganglinks (opposed to for example the claymore). (And NO, it's not about that information warfare links are not good, it's that the ship is worthless. It can't be used for anything except sitting at a POS) Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.10.24 16:12:00 - [127] Originally by: dalman In response to the highlighted part of the quote. THAT is the issue. You can't use an Eos "like its supposed to be used". Is it really that hard to get it into your heads? Exactly.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.24 16:16:00 - [128] Originally by: dalman Originally by: Valea Silpha Just because something is THE BEST doesn't make it worthless. Your all bleeting because your fleet command is no longer a gank ship... well too bad for you. My claymore does... well ... less than impressive DPS. But you know what ? I use my claymore like its supposed to be used. It has a minimum of two gang links on it at all times, and aside from that is deigned to survive long enough to make its bonuses count. By ghad. Are you lot really this ****ed? Especially Lyria Skydancer, who's been spamming this thread without making any sense. In response to the highlighted part of the quote. THAT is the issue. You can't use an Eos "like its supposed to be used".** Is it really that hard to get it into your heads? The Eos is now a completely worthless ship. As in, it's not worth a single isk more than the minerals you get when you recycle it. Because the ship is now useless for combat without gang-links, and it's already useless for combat with ganglinks (opposed to for example the claymore). (And NO, it's not about that information warfare links are not good, it's that the ship is worthless. It can't be used for anything except sitting at a POS) You are funny. Im the one that's not making sense? How about we take a look at what you've been typing matey. Statement 1: "Because the ship is now useless for combat without gang-links" Statement 2: "it's already useless for combat with ganglinks" Statement 3: "NO, it's not about that information warfare links are not good, it's that the ship is worthless" Uhmmm, ok. Got milk?
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.10.24 16:24:00 - [129] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Im the one that's not making sense? Yes. As shown by that you can't counter my statements. 1. Why would you fly a ship that is alot worse at everything compared to other ships available at the same cost? Useless. 2 and 3. Try to come up with a good fitting with ganglinks. You can't, because the ship is [drumroll] useless. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Dominator9987 Minmatar The Shambling Horde	Posted - 2007.10.24 16:26:00 - [130] Originally by: Xao Wen Ok, so the EOS bonus to drone has been nerfed to oblivion : from 50m3/lvl, it is on Sisi, it is now 15m3/lvl. 250 at lvl 4. On the plus side, it's base drone bay is now 150, so it's 210 at lvl 4. Not big of a nerf. But wait. The bandwith has been set to 75. 75, that means 5 meds, or a bizarre mix of unbonused drones (2H, 2M and 1L). Ok. And, now, looking closely, I see that it as lost TWO, not one, but TWO ******* TURRET HARDPOINTS!!! Only 5 out of 7. Well, I was skeptical at first... but I think i've found the source of all the nerfs. its me... anything i train for gets nerfed. lol I better stop training, i was gonna train social skills cause i think theres no harm in that, cant expect them to get nerfed right? what do you think guys... is it a safe bet?
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.10.24 16:27:00 - [131] I'd actually claim that the crappy state of the infowar gang links at the moment is one big factor towards making this ship so useless now. Another valid point is the above one, actually fitting 3 gang links into a useful ship configuration on the Eos is... problematic. ...but if the infowar links were as generally useful as the others, there would at least be some reason to try and cram them in, despite problems.
Faridah Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.10.24 16:30:00 - [132] All these nerf bats are going to hurt something bad and totally bring ships in same classes out of balance. I'm changing both my chars to generic support skills until CCP has made up their mind about all the issues with this new patch. Atleast I can then shift over to a race after the patch who don't get smacked with the bat without loosing any skill training time.
Miss KillSome Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.10.24 16:44:00 - [133] this it totally stupid. Whoever nerfed it is a stupid one for sure. Its not inline with any onther field command ship coz it sucks now. It was pwn mobile before, true that, but nerfing it four times in one patch (drones dont recharge shields, limited drone bay, limited bandwidth, loosing 2 guns) its just plain stupid. eos is slow, has only 5 slots for tanking (and then u dont do any decent dmg without MFS..), his weapons are very limited (rails have bad tracking, blasters are range problematic!!) and even now he cannot use full rack of them, only 5, he has very limited drones now, he canot field heavy, more durable drones.. its absurd..EOS isnt flown in gangs in 0.0, i know that for sure, coz he doesnt have any decent warfare bonuses, his drones are not reliable dps even now, when u can field 5 heavies, it is slow. With nerf, it will be even used less. way to go to drop prices on EOS, maybe some idiotic dev wants to buy them on mass and recycle them for building a claymore which is flown WAYYYY more..
Complex Potential Soliders Of Eve Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 16:47:00 - [134] I was disappointed to hear about the Eos nerf but it was gonna happen let's be fair. Anyway, even before any of this started I had already decided to skip CSs altogether and concentrate on getting a T2 Megathron sorted. Tank - Just as good, if not better DPS - Higher Drones - 5 heavies at the last look Also, this is a stepping stone to the Kronos which I also like the look of.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.10.24 16:51:00 - [135] Originally by: Horza Otho Omg they balanced the eos :senjaya: by jove, some ones got it, hes really got it. EOS was most definitly unballenced and now its getting the long overdue haul it needed, anyone crying here GUTTED you only trained for it because it pwned way harder than the other fleet commands you should hav been expecting it. also, raspberrys to you.
Elles D Caldari Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.24 16:59:00 - [136] Mwuhahahah now you know how it feels Gallente. Whine away
Bomerang Dai Dai Hai	Posted - 2007.10.24 17:04:00 - [137] Originally by: Elles D Mwuhahahah now you know how it feels Gallente. Whine away Drake tank has just made it into my top 5 things to bring to CCPs attention.
Elles D Caldari Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.24 17:05:00 - [138] Originally by: Bomerang Originally by: Elles D Mwuhahahah now you know how it feels Gallente. Whine away Drake tank has just made it into my top 5 things to bring to CCPs attention. Good thing i don't fly it then.
Elles D Caldari Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.24 17:08:00 - [139] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: dalman Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Im the one that's not making sense? Yes. As shown by that you can't counter my statements. 1. Why would you fly a ship that is alot worse at everything compared to other ships available at the same cost? Useless. 2 and 3. Try to come up with a good fitting with ganglinks. You can't, because the ship is [drumroll] useless. Its useless? Im not gonna debate if it is or not. But if it is: Im happy, your race deserves much less. Yay fantasy racist chants made up on the whim of CCP!
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.24 17:20:00 - [140] Originally by: Elles D Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: dalman Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Im the one that's not making sense? Yes. As shown by that you can't counter my statements. 1. Why would you fly a ship that is alot worse at everything compared to other ships available at the same cost? Useless. 2 and 3. Try to come up with a good fitting with ganglinks. You can't, because the ship is [drumroll] useless. Its useless? Im not gonna debate if it is or not. But if it is: Im happy, your race deserves much less. Yay fantasy racist chants made up on the whim of CCP! Its never wrong to add some role-play lite into this flame feast
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.10.24 17:22:00 - [141] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: dalman Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Im the one that's not making sense? Yes. As shown by that you can't counter my statements. 1. Why would you fly a ship that is alot worse at everything compared to other ships available at the same cost? Useless. 2 and 3. Try to come up with a good fitting with ganglinks. You can't, because the ship is [drumroll] useless. Its useless? Im not gonna debate if it is or not. But if it is: Im happy, your race deserves much less. Yes. And if you had read this thread and others you could have found out that: * I'm not opposed to nerfing the solo capabilities of the Eos * Since the day commandships were released, I've been complaining at CCP's stupidity in the design of the gallante commandships. * I've since long ago (before the boost some months ago) been thinking of training amarr cruiser 5 for the sole reason of getting a ship that can run ganglinks. Because the Eos can't. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.10.24 17:39:00 - [142] Why won't you just delete the ship from the database? Let it die with dignity! It's role is unlike the other fleet commands. It's a drone ship. It gets a bonus to that. If you think it should'nt why not move the bonus to something useful like resistances... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Vandamsel Gallente Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:03:00 - [143] Edited by: Vandamsel on 24/10/2007 18:04:15 ok, the myrmidon nerf was needed, but this? I don't think so. Thx for making my favorite ship a piece of garbage CCP SAVE THE EOS TOO!!STOP the nerfs CCP!!!
William DeMeo Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:05:00 - [144] lol nerfed. Yarr
Abbel Nightroad Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:08:00 - [145] Woot just the thing i needed next to my Amarr specialized alt
Mourn Navarre Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:12:00 - [146] Being someone who is specializing in ewar now, the Eos is the only command ship I actually like although I only use 2 of the ganglinks which is plenty.
Zenst Gallente Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:57:00 - [147] well as somebody who likes to use it with 3 links on the drone hit utterly stinks little pink pony passings That said having the extra 15m3 from l5 seems like waste of time now that the ship has been panda'rd towards low skilled people more. So my 5 t2 sentries which are my only real damage on a get in there 3 link action-jackson ship are now totaly out of the running order. Lets hope there are rigs or modules to alow people to address this issues - highslot drone bandwith modules - make it active burning cap if you want. Do it, as you will only end up pidderling people of when you end up doing it later on. So lets see EOS or carrier's being piushed out of fights into POS sitting now - what side of the brain you folks sitting on thesedays I do realy wonder. I want to run logistical ships in the thick of action, not sat at a pos. Thats what you said you wanted yet changes of late are pandering towards a utter contradiction on direction. That said if i'm forced to do evil setups and gank people in empire, then thats what I'll do. Then you realy will hear nerf cries
Zolian	Posted - 2007.10.24 19:03:00 - [148] Edited by: Zolian on 24/10/2007 19:03:37 Waaaa waaaaaa we lost our imba pwnmobile. It's not fair, Gallente should have the best ship in every class .
Zenst Gallente Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.10.24 19:10:00 - [149] Originally by: Zolian Edited by: Zolian on 24/10/2007 19:03:37 Waaaa waaaaaa we lost our imba pwnmobile. It's not fair, Gallente should have the best ship in every class . COAD is to your right, please avail with the rest. That said as a blasterdrone ship yes i'll give you the overpowered part - fair enough. But the changes dont allow any adjustment like the EW nerf were they had no modules or righs to alow for adjustments and setups. This is OTT and as for using the ship as a logistics ship with link - then it utterly loses out. But like you care so as i said COAD on your right
Praxis1452	Posted - 2007.10.24 19:25:00 - [150] Originally by: Zolian Edited by: Zolian on 24/10/2007 19:03:37 Waaaa waaaaaa we lost our imba pwnmobile. It's not fair, Gallente should have the best ship in every class . nice whine.

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