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Specctor
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Posted - 2012.01.26 11:42:00 -
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This isn't the first post related to plex prices, nor dare I say will it be the last rather than the usual blah blah about cashing in I would like to address the potential game breaking issue attached to the increasing plex forecast.
Imagine the very possible 1bill per plex scenario where the estimated two thirds of players whom pay by plex can no longer afford plexes from their monthly grin, now add the fact that for -ú22:00you can buy your self 2 billion isk from an etc miners think why bother mining, inflation driven by too few subscribers producing base matierials and a new breed of buy your self rich players mean that Joe shmoe who buys eve for the first time quits after a week because he can buy his first t1 frigit....
End result mass loss of player base mass inflation and no new influx of fresh players.....
Possible fix CCP cap plex prices before its to late... |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.26 11:55:00 -
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Plex prices follow the market.
RL money is in short supply -> less PLEXes sold for ISK
Ingame money supply is increased due to lolincursions -> More PLEXes bought with ISK
= PLEX price rises
CCP doesn't set the price and they really can't fix it in the short-term except by selling PLEXes at a deep discount (which would probably be bad for their business in the long term) or by cutting down the ISK faucets in the game. |
Specctor
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Posted - 2012.01.26 12:02:00 -
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Still you can pay for 2 plexes and get yourself a bill from your paper round if one were so inclined.... |
Ruvin
Glorious Revolution The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.01.26 12:51:00 -
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having plexes prices capped is a bad idea when ingame volume of isk is growing and everything has higher prices .
1 b is worth less then a few years ago (imo) . more isk ingame make prices rise so its normal to have plexes follow same path
inflation is caoused by to much income of isk , or/and to less sinks . Plexes arent the cause of any of this 2 scenarios . they dont make isk from thin air . |
Dane El
Daneco Inc.
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Posted - 2012.01.26 12:58:00 -
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Specctor wrote: Imagine the very possible 1bill per plex scenario where the estimated two thirds of players whom pay by plex can no longer afford plexes...
You really answered your own question right there. When the PLEX prices start getting to the point that pilots can no longer afford them, demand will start to decrease and the price rise will stall.
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Specctor
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Posted - 2012.01.26 13:38:00 -
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I think I perhaps failed to convay my point, I'm speaking mainly about the vast majority of subscribers who pay for there account via acquiring in game plexes via self generated isk.
These are your incursion runners, mission runners and miners "people who grind" people who can't pay for the subscription with real money for what ever reason.
The Csm recently discussed incursion vanguards being re balanced but would the decrease in cash made from them affect the possibility of large scale alliances manipulating plex prices with sinister and dark intentions.
They also mentioned a vast number of eve players who soely pay for their time in new Eden with plexes.
I think you could cap the plex because a plex in its self as a commodity operates outside of normal commodity parameters, it doesn't build anything nor can it make you fight better.
Yet it is a necessity for some and a commodity for others an isk sink but at the same time it is an isk generator.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.01.26 14:41:00 -
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Specctor wrote:I think I perhaps failed to convay my point, I'm speaking mainly about the vast majority of subscribers who pay for there account via acquiring in game plexes via self generated isk.
These are your incursion runners, mission runners and miners "people who grind" people who can't pay for the subscription with real money for what ever reason.
The Csm recently discussed incursion vanguards being re balanced but would the decrease in cash made from them affect the possibility of large scale alliances manipulating plex prices with sinister and dark intentions.
They also mentioned a vast number of eve players who soely pay for their time in new Eden with plexes.
No you conveyed your point fine. It is fairly obvious that the vast number of plex purchasers buy them for game time. Considering they are only really good for three things.
1. Game time 2. Aurum 3. Market investment
Specctor wrote:I think you could cap the plex because a plex in its self as a commodity operates outside of normal commodity parameters, it doesn't build anything nor can it make you fight better.
Yet it is a necessity for some and a commodity for others an isk sink but at the same time it is an isk generator.
This is where you miss the point. PLEX is a commidity that operates within the normal parameters. When introduced they create isk, the same isk created by incursions, missions, etc. This isk is used to fund the economy (buying ships mods etc).
Like everything else in EVE it will balance with the market. If PLEX hits a billion it will be because enough players can still afford it at those prices. Otherwise demand will drop. Some players may unsub. Some players may drop from multiple accounts to fewer. Some players will simply pay with $$$ in the short term hoping to ride out the PLEX price increase.
When that starts happening PLEX demand will drop. Eventually the market will drop as well. Players that unsubbed will bring back those accounts and the great EVE market circle of life will continue.
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Specctor
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:10:00 -
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So erm yea.... Lots of people unsubscribing for a while is concidered a good thing if it's only untill plex prices drop to normal parameters.... Then it starts over again....
Not really dealing with the issue is it Derath it's more like the burry your head and accept it crap politicians have fed the world for years...
Remove the issue so the masses can play the game without being incursion slaves or mass wealth gain through plex exploitation and you have your self an even keel.....
If the price was at a more achievable level through standard professions like mining you would see mineral prices lower and a more stable eve economy not the credit crunchh esq rollercoaster we are headed towards. |
Sevastian Liao
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:31:00 -
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Specctor wrote:
I think you could cap the plex because a plex in its self as a commodity operates outside of normal commodity parameters, it doesn't build anything nor can it make you fight better.
This is a non-sequitur. The nature of a PLEX that you stated doesn't make sense as a reason your proposed cap on PLEX prices. It doesn't matter what a good does or does not do, the fact is that it provides a perceived benefit to players who choose to buy it, so as long as they're willing to pay what others are selling it for, there's value created in the process for both parties. A monocle doesn't build anything, doesn't help you fight better either ( unless you count on making your opponents lul at your wasted money ), but that isn't a reason for putting a cap on the price of monocles now is it?
I'm a new player to the game who chose to specialize in mining because of the nice option to semi-afk while getting some work done, and in all honesty I don't see what all the fuss is about high PLEX prices. Just by speccing in mining, supposedly one of the worst paying professions there is in EVE, I'm currently making more than enough for my own PLEX needs as well as providing for another friend new to the game. I didn't choose to PLEX because I can't pay for it IRL, I chose it because it sounded like one heck of an interesting challenge earning money by playing smart in-game to continue your pilot career. That's part of what drew me into EVE in the first place - And to be honest, I think PLEX prices are still undervalued at the moment.
I think that what a unique game like EVE needs is not to make itself more accessible to more subscribers - If they're not willing to pay a monthly subscription or learn to play smart financially in-game, then too bad and so long. Rather, what the game needs is to ensure that it keeps with the winning formula it's been using of having a harsh, tough universe that - In general - attracts a more intelligent, long-term planning type of demographic. There's little value in catering to the lowest common denominator in a market already oversaturated with MMOs fighting for that same slice of pie. EVE has its own niche of players looking for real challenges in an MMO, so if they did arbitrarily put in checks and controls that make the game easier, they're headed in the opposite direction of where their winning formula has brought them - Never a good idea for any business. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:38:00 -
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Specctor wrote:So erm yea.... Lots of people unsubscribing for a while is concidered a good thing if it's only untill plex prices drop to normal parameters.... Then it starts over again....
Not really dealing with the issue is it Derath it's more like the burry your head and accept it crap politicians have fed the world for years...
Good one Chicken Little.
Nothing has changed. This cycle will exist regardless of the current PLEX price. When the prices went from 250 to 350 it became too rich for some. Same when it went from 350-450. At some point it will hit an equilibrium and at another it will likely drop. That is of course assuming a change to the current isk faucets.
At none of these levels has there been a massive un-sub. So to say suddenly "lots of people" will unsubscribe is just unsubstantiated "sky is falling" thinking.
It's not burying my head in the sand. It's keeping the open and free EVE market open and free.
Specctor wrote:Remove the issue so the masses can play the game without being incursion slaves or mass wealth gain through plex exploitation and you have your self an even keel.....
If the price was at a more achievable level through standard professions like mining you would see mineral prices lower and a more stable eve economy not the credit crunchh esq rollercoaster we are headed towards.
Playing the game for "free" via PLEX is not an entitlement. Not to mention there are other ramifications of artificially forcing a lower PLEX price. For one, it would lower demand for those who actually buy them for isk. Which lowers PLEX supply. Low supply and low price could cause the issue where there simply are not any more isk to buy (all bought up).
In this case you then likely have all the PLEX held by some of the richest players, who will hoard them for years of free gameplay. And that helps everyone else how?
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Specctor
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:21:00 -
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Ok Yogi Bear But what's to say plexes have to be limited...
Plexes are entitlement clearly they enable people to play the game with in game funds if they wernt then you wouldn't be able to renew your subscription with them....."this item extends your game time by 30 days when activated" not "this item extends your game time for 30 days you cheap punk your not entitled to say you play eve if anyone asks"
Unfortunetly the facts remain a F*** load of people play via plex and suggesting they should go away untill they can afford it is ludicrous...
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Specctor
Sicarius. Sicarius..
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:29:00 -
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Right at the begining I remember saying "possible fix"
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:33:00 -
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You do understand that there's no "fair" price on PLEX right?
You do understand that if prices are high it's because people have enough money to pay them?
Of course those who now can buy PLEX at 1B are not miners, there are activities that let people earn enough to afford those prices => demand goes up => offer adjusts prices upwards. |
Specctor
Sicarius. Sicarius..
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:51:00 -
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Thankyou for yet another economics for dummies lesson.
There are players in this game whom can afford to pay high prices for plexes due to high isk income lots of people at the moment due to incursions and the 150+ million an hour you can make from that if they rebalance vanguard sites people won't be able to afford the high prices and demand along with the price go down infact probably significantly and sharply due to people buying plexes for real money to cash in I belive this sums it up.
The above describes a "bubble burst" scenario and can only happen when the demand falls,
I.E players dropping accounts because they can't pay for the game which affects the game in general.
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Specctor
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Posted - 2012.01.26 17:04:00 -
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What about more plex variants ie 15 day versions or 7 day versions that are inherently cheaper and could act as middle ground when the **** hits the fan and help regulate prices via more mobile plex competition. Or even 50/50 plexes wher 15days is isk 15 days real cash.... |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.01.26 17:20:00 -
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Specctor wrote: Ok Yogi Bear But what's to say plexes have to be limited...
Really? You do realize that a PLEX on the market is only there because someone paid real $$ to purchase it outside of the game?
People buy them because they want quick and easy isk right? Right now people look and see for $30ish they can get almost a billion isk. Pretty good deal, so people who can afford it are doing so for a nice chunk of isk.
Now lets say CCP comes in and puts an artificial ceiling on PLEX. Say for argument $375 (about what it was maybe around september if I recall?) What do you think will happen?
Demand for PLEX will rise. I know I would gobble more up. Many people holding onto PLEX may hoard them, rather than sell for a huge loss over current prices, which will happen anytime you decide to artifically set a limit on a previously open market item.
At the same time, that same person looking for easy isk now see's that $30 will only get him 750mil isk. So you will have fewer people willing to spend $$ to create plex.
Demand goes up, supply goes down. But since you now have capped PLEX prices the market cannot adjust properly, so supply keeps getting bought up until a time comes that PLEX could run out completely.
Specctor wrote:Plexes are entitlement clearly they enable people to play the game with in game funds if they wernt then you wouldn't be able to renew your subscription with them....."this item extends your game time by 30 days when activated" not "this item extends your game time for 30 days you cheap punk your not entitled to say you play eve if anyone asks"
Dude, you really need to look up the definition of entitlement. You are using it wrong.
Specctor wrote:Unfortunetly the facts remain a F*** load of people play via plex and suggesting they should go away untill they can afford it is ludicrous...
Why? Again playing the game via PLEX (for free) is not an entitlement (look it up).
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Specctor
Sicarius. Sicarius..
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Posted - 2012.01.26 17:32:00 -
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Derath you need to look up the word possible because it was a possible soloution......Although you have now enlightened me and I now see your point capping them is probably a bad idea sure yea your right..
PLAYERS LEAVING THE GAME DUE TO NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD PLEXES IS STILL A BAD THING GIVEN THE AMMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO USE THEM FOR GAME TIME THOUGH!
do you think everyone will come back after they have had the break from the game or do you think they will find some other mmo?
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Ruvin
Glorious Revolution The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.01.26 17:40:00 -
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PLAYERS LEAVING THE GAME DUE TO NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD PLEXES IS STILL A BAD THING GIVEN THE AMMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO USE THEM FOR GAME TIME THOUGH!
EVE is a sub based game , you need to pay to play . That quite simple , if you cant afford you cant play , simple too . Then if youre rich enough and wealthy and can afford to buy them grats to you . But thats not something everyone should afford .
If having plex would be easy n1 would sell them and all would want to buy . so there would be almost no no plex for sell and not many but almost everyone would need to leave not becaouse he CANT AFFORD , but becaouse there is NO PLEX FOR SELL
there MUST be someone who sells , and someone who buys . The balance between the two makes the prices , its actually perfect .
p.s will repeat myself , EVE is a p2p game . |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.01.26 17:59:00 -
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Specctor wrote:Thankyou for yet another economics for dummies lesson.
There are players in this game whom can afford to pay high prices for plexes due to high isk income lots of people at the moment due to incursions and the 150+ million an hour you can make from that if they rebalance vanguard sites people won't be able to afford the high prices and demand along with the price go down infact probably significantly and sharply due to people buying plexes for real money to cash in I belive this sums it up.
Apparently you needed it.
You seem one of those pseudo-socialists who feel entitled for everyone handed out for free or "welfare political price".
Sorry you EITHER pay a sub like in every other sub-based MMO
or
figure out how to be profitable enough to afford a PLEX
or
Good bye.
PLEX need to be able to freely rise to be able to consume the immense amounts of ISK introduced in the game.
If you don't like the price, run incursions till CCP nerfs them or go disrupt incursions like other players are doing. |
Bad Bobby
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.01.26 18:42:00 -
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Quote:PLAYERS LEAVING THE GAME DUE TO NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD PLEXES I'm curious about this demographic.
These are people who could afford PLEX six months ago at 370m, but cannot now afford PLEX at 495m. They also cannot afford to pay real world currency for their subscription.
How big a group of players is that?
How come they can't make an extra 125m a month? What is capping their earning potential so severely? |
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2012.01.26 18:43:00 -
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Specctor wrote:This isn't the first post related to plex prices, nor dare I say will it be the last rather than the usual blah blah about cashing in I would like to address the potential game breaking issue attached to the increasing plex forecast.
Imagine the very possible 1bill per plex scenario where the estimated two thirds of players whom pay by plex can no longer afford plexes from their monthly grin, now add the fact that for -ú22:00you can buy your self 2 billion isk from an etc miners think why bother mining, inflation driven by too few subscribers producing base matierials and a new breed of buy your self rich players mean that Joe shmoe who buys eve for the first time quits after a week because he can buy his first t1 frigit....
End result mass loss of player base mass inflation and no new influx of fresh players.....
Possible fix CCP cap plex prices before its to late...
I agree, although I'm not sure most people get entirely what you're getting at.
Even though the price of plex is determined by the market the market mechanism does not mean thatt all players are effected the same way, or that the market driven price is best from a game design perspective.
Different people play different ways and enjoy different parts of the game.
Game design is about creating mechanics to make the game enjoyable to the most people. That doesn't mean that design needs to make all content enjoyable to all players.
As you pointed out, newer players have different abilities to earn isk, its always been that way. Some people like PVE more than others and make more isk, its always been that way. Some people like to concentrate time on economic activity trading and industry.. its always been that way.
Yet, even though "its always been that way" in the scenarios above, that does not mean that the differences have not become more pronounced. The amount players can earn per hour can be nerfed. The amount newer players can earn per hour can be buffed....yet each of those have issues... taking away anything leads to disatisfaction and pumping more isk into the game to the large lump of players beflow the 6 month average play window could fuel an already difficult to moderate inflation.
My concern though is that isk dynamics that have very wealthy players that have huge cash flow from ammassed fortunes and control of alliance institutions can pay for plex at a level that is hurts the social and game play dynamics for players at the center of the bellcurve. (btw, many of those people with instituational controll of moons use the plex to pay for alt accounts for titan pilots that are there not for their own enjoyment but to bolster the stregnth of the isntituion and provide its members with titan bridges and funding for ship replacement programs by continuing to controll moons)
The center of the bell curve is where CCP needs to be most careful about keeping people happy.
My concern:
The amount that the very wealthy in isk (or large moon controlling alliances paying to maintain titan alts) gives the player with $ to spend too much ISK for their dollar.
The danger I see is that people willing to pay a smaller amount extra $15 now and then, can have so much more isk than their other corp members with similar distaste for PVE, that the divide in ships they can fly becomes too pronounced.
Many people (not all but many) just don't like the idea of paying more for a game or the general concept of getting more game assets for more rl $ (the might see it like micro-transactions.
If it rubs them wrong that if they don't pay extra they can't field standard fleet ships ... if $ goes too far with isk this is more likely to happen... they might feel the game is out of whack.
While it is a judgement call without a huge amount of data to support or deny my feeling, my experience has been that there are a awful lot of people who are the types I like to do pvp with that both don't like farming too much, struggle making isk nearly as efficeintly as others, and don't like the idea of telling their wives they'r going to take more out of the family budget to fund game play that they already might see as excessive. |
Specctor
Sicarius. Sicarius..
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Posted - 2012.01.26 19:04:00 -
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"PLEX is one of the biggest subscription methods in EVE"
That is a quote from the csm meeting minuets and the topic was started by ccp.
The fact is people can walk away if they cant pay via isk or cash.... the problem is its a question potentially thousands of people will have to ask them selves in the up and coming Plexment Day,
Concequeses of a mass player Subscription break are potentially Game ending what if 10k people said i cant be arsed working so hard for my plex all the time its booring and because my mortgage has gone up i cant afford to play eve so i guess ill have to stop playing eve alltogether....
Thats my point thats the problem with unchecked plex inflation.
Capitalisum is inherently flawed because it requires constant growth and Inflation to Work, the only difference in eve is that people can and will walk away if they choose to. |
Bad Bobby
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.01.26 19:15:00 -
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There will always be massive variation in the resources different players have.
It doesn't matter if the resource in question is PLEX, in-game currency, out-of-game currency, friends, skill points, game knowledge, real-life intelligence, playing time or whatever. You can't fix it for there to be an even playing field, and if you could it would be bad thing. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.01.26 19:18:00 -
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Specctor wrote:Derath you need to look up the word possible because it was a possible soloution......Although you have now enlightened me and I now see your point capping them is probably a bad idea sure yea your right..
Nice try but fail. I don't need to look up the word possible. However you should probably refresh yourself on the words "relevance" and "redundant"
The word possible has no relevance with the argument in this thread. In fact it is redundant in its use. Why? By starting this thread your OP implies a possible solution whether you used the word possible or not. All I have done is argue against this possible solution.
I'll give you an A for effort though
Specctor wrote:PLAYERS LEAVING THE GAME DUE TO NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD PLEXES IS STILL A BAD THING GIVEN THE AMMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO USE THEM FOR GAME TIME THOUGH!
Not really. I would actually bet money that CCP doesn't care all that much what happens to plex in game. In fact I bet they cheer when PLEX gets blown up in some random gank.
Once a PLEX becomes an in game item, CCP already got their real world money for it.
Specctor wrote:do you think everyone will come back after they have had the break from the game or do you think they will find some other mmo?
If someone cannot afford EVE without a PLEX do you think they are gonna shell out $$ for another MMO? |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.01.26 19:26:00 -
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Specctor wrote:"PLEX is one of the biggest subscription methods in EVE"
That is a quote from the csm meeting minuets and the topic was started by ccp.
The fact is people can walk away if they cant pay via isk or cash.... the problem is its a question potentially thousands of people will have to ask them selves in the up and coming Plexment Day,
Concequeses of a mass player Subscription break are potentially Game ending what if 10k people said i cant be arsed working so hard for my plex all the time its booring and because my mortgage has gone up i cant afford to play eve so i guess ill have to stop playing eve alltogether....
Thats my point thats the problem with unchecked plex inflation.
Capitalisum is inherently flawed because it requires constant growth and Inflation to Work, the only difference in eve is that people can and will walk away if they choose to.
This whole argument is flawed.
Everyone pays for EVE. If you pay for your gametime with a PLEX, someone else shelled out $15 for you.
If anything, the players who can only afford to play EVE via PLEX actually COST CCP potential revenue.
When someone buy's a GTC and coverts to PLEX, CCP makes say $30. now if those PLEX sit in game and never get redeemed for gametime. OR if they get blown up. That is FREE MONEY for CCP. (sort of). Basically CCP got $30 which was used for extra internet pixels.
Now if someone comes along and uses that PLEX to extend their gametime, CCP now lost a potential $15 that the user otherwise would have spent to extend their gametime.
So if you have a player who only plays via PLEX, and would quit otherwise, CCP isn't technically losing money from them quitting. CCP doesn't make any money from people who redeem PLEX. They make money from people who buy GTC and turn them into PLEX. |
Bad Bobby
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.01.26 19:30:00 -
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Specctor wrote:what if 10k people said i cant be arsed working so hard for my plex all the time its booring and because my mortgage has gone up i cant afford to play eve so i guess ill have to stop playing eve alltogether.... These people sound pretty tragic, I think we might be better off without them.
10k less PLEX consumers would lower PLEX price, and if we have to exchange 10k potential spacefriends for a lower PLEX price these sad little people sound like the ones to go. |
Specctor
Sicarius. Sicarius..
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Posted - 2012.01.26 19:35:00 -
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Derath I dont know why your atacking me on a personal level but I urge you to stop I agreed with you buddy.....let it go....
Be constructive or find someone els to troll I wont reply directly to you from now on unless what you have to say is on constructive and progressive discussion level although the bumping of this thread you have provided is apriciated.
Diomedes Calypso thankyou and clearly you have a grasp on what im getting at...
I totally agree with what you are saying Large scale opperations sitting on potentially trillions of isk a year have can literally play god with average people whom just want to log on do there thing log off,
Goons have threatened that they will be starting a new trype of market manipulation which would be bigger than the gallente ice gank they recently orchastrated could the former pre curse the latter? is there plan just to break the game by starting some sort of plex based war on ccp? if so what will ccp do to stop them and how will they prevent such assaults from happening in the future?? |
Ruvin
Glorious Revolution The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.01.26 19:36:00 -
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players leaving cos they cant afford dont even pay ccp ... others do that instead of them , btw |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.01.26 19:42:00 -
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Specctor wrote:Derath I dont know why your atacking me on a personal level but I urge you to stop I agreed with you buddy.....let it go....
Be constructive or find someone els to troll I wont reply directly to you from now on unless what you have to say is on constructive and progressive discussion level although the bumping of this thread you have provided is apriciated.
With the exception of the "possible" thing, nothing has been a personal attack. And that was a playful jab back from your playful jab at me.
Everything else has been refuting your arguments on the economy and mechanics of PLEX. Maybe you just didn't read those parts. |
Specctor
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Posted - 2012.01.26 19:48:00 -
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"These people sound pretty tragic, I think we might be better off without them.
10k less PLEX consumers would lower PLEX price, and if we have to exchange 10k potential spacefriends for a lower PLEX price these sad little people sound like the ones to go."
Really Ten thousand active people leaving the game ill say it again ten thousand active people leaving the game would make the rest of us all better off??? who do u shoot ,what if they all leave from say a Eu timezone where the Recesion is hitting people hard ten thousand active people leaving a specific timezone would kill it done over caput.
Ten thousand leaving alltogether never to return tenthousand spread between 2 timezones would be terrible aswell entire alliances would fold base line matierials where the sheer mass of competition keep the price low would sky rocket...
Eve is the sum of its parts and we are all connected back through the whole from newb to Ceo of Ive got a very big alliance.
At this point in time ccp is making good money because people are buying etc codes hand over fist to cash in...... two months down the line there missing a very big chunk of there player base and in the middle of a Player related spiral of decline once it starts its very hard to stop such a spiral from hitting the ground without some sort of intervention or "Win them Back sceme tipped in the players favour" |
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