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Wawa WeeWa	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:19:00 - [1] Hey all. I'm looking for the highest damage output to start a fight. I'm not too concerned about your cap being empty or having a tank that'll hold up to anything more dangerous than wet noodles. I'm talking about the opening bell haymaker damage output. Any ideas?
NoNah Unseen University	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:21:00 - [2] Raven and Caldari Navy Raven. Postcount: 38061 [02:40:22] <elmickers> if you're caldari in a fleet fight, bring a corp
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:24:00 - [3] tempest - mealstrom nothing else comes close signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected]) why dont you just tell me ?
Broska coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:24:00 - [4] I'm pritty sure a fully gank tach abbadon has more alpha.
Original Species	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:26:00 - [5] Lets all hop on eft and find out....
Brodde Dim	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:27:00 - [6] CNR/Maelstrom > Abaddon, Tempest > Raven > many other battle ships
NoNah Unseen University	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:29:00 - [7] Edited by: NoNah on 01/11/2007 18:31:18 Originally by: prathe tempest - mealstrom nothing else comes close Fleet Tempest 6x 1400mm Howitzer II's (Quake) 3x Gyrostab Max skills 6081 EFT alpha Navy Raven 7x Siege Launcher II(Rage Whatever) 3x BCU II Max skills 6569 EFT Alpha What am I missing? Maelstrom is almost as high, it's betwen the Raven and CNR in alpha. Abaddon is almost identical to Fleet Tempest. Postcount: 292035 [02:40:22] <elmickers> if you're caldari in a fleet fight, bring a corp
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:31:00 - [8] well i comes down to dmg mod in this case really properly fitted and skilled with 1400t2 you get like 18x dmg mod add rigs and plants you'll break 20x tempests hit "normal" for anywhere from 800-1100 in fully gank fit per gun wreckings can and do break 3k dmg . good-excellents come in at 1300-1600 signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected]) why dont you just tell me ?
TimMc Skiddies of Doom	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:32:00 - [9] Originally by: NoNah Originally by: prathe tempest - mealstrom nothing else comes close Fleet Tempest 6x 1400mm Howitzer II's (Quake) 3x Gyrostab Max skills 6081 EFT alpha Navy Raven 7x Siege Launcher II(Rage Whatever) 3x BCU II Max skills 6569 EFT Alpha What am I missing? If I saw all those Torps coming at me, I would warp. Might not be such an issue with the torp nerf/buff.
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:32:00 - [10] Edited by: prathe on 01/11/2007 18:33:05 Originally by: NoNah Edited by: NoNah on 01/11/2007 18:31:18 Originally by: prathe tempest - mealstrom nothing else comes close Fleet Tempest 6x 1400mm Howitzer II's (Quake) 3x Gyrostab Max skills 6081 EFT alpha Navy Raven 7x Siege Launcher II(Rage Whatever) 3x BCU II Max skills 6569 EFT Alpha What am I missing? Maelstrom is almost as high, it's betwen the Raven and CNR in alpha. Abaddon is almost identical to Fleet Tempest. just the alpha strike part his dmg is instant your will get there after the rest of the fleet has already popped him signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected]) why dont you just tell me ?
NoNah Unseen University	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:33:00 - [11] Edited by: NoNah on 01/11/2007 18:35:48 Originally by: TimMc If I saw all those Torps coming at me, I would warp. Might not be such an issue with the torp nerf/buff. Torp nerf/buff changes nothing, flight speed is the same. Just because a weapon CAN be used at long range, doesnt mean it has to be. I have yet to see a single launcher with a damage mod.. Quote: just the alpha strike part his dmg is instant your will get there after the rest of the fleet has already popped him Nothing says anything about a fleet or even range. This could be about suicide ganking, or even better, ganking a ship and then warping out of sentry fire. If distance is 0m(Beside the fact that a tempest deals 0 dmg in such a scenario) - the damage is instant. Postcount: 88858 [02:40:22] <elmickers> if you're caldari in a fleet fight, bring a corp
bldyannoyed Un4seen Development	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:44:00 - [12] Edited by: bldyannoyed on 01/11/2007 18:44:44 A standard Tempest will achieve the same alpha as a Fleet Pest, and more than a standard Raven. So without spending the big bucks the Tempest is the highest alpha you can achieve. Well, that or a Naglfar.
Halock	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:46:00 - [13] Edited by: Halock on 01/11/2007 18:49:26 Abbadon Tachyon beams x 8 - ammar navy multi 6125 alpha with 4 heatsinks Bang for buck this wins hands down
Brodde Dim	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:50:00 - [14] Originally by: bldyannoyed Edited by: bldyannoyed on 01/11/2007 18:44:44 A standard Tempest will achieve the same alpha as a Fleet Pest, and more than a standard Raven. So without spending the big bucks the Tempest is the highest alpha you can achieve. Well, that or a Naglfar. A maelstrom does higher alpha damage. But that counts as big bucks?
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:51:00 - [15] unfortunately missile dmg is regular whereas gun dmg is volatile the same tempest based on you EFT figures could hit for only 0 but could push 10k or since your faction ill up the ante and rig my tempy now my dmg mod puts me at 19.5+/- and im on top signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected]) why dont you just tell me ?
NoNah Unseen University	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:55:00 - [16] Originally by: prathe unfortunately missile dmg is regular whereas gun dmg is volatile the same tempest based on you EFT figures could hit for only 0 but could push 10k or since your faction ill up the ante and rig my tempy now my dmg mod puts me at 19.5+/- and im on top While that is true, you'd have to start considering resitances aswell, and we've pretty much left topic entirely. =) And yes, using faction modules, I bet the Maelstrom or Abaddon would win. I keep hearing posts about the tempest being on top over the maelstrom, but I can't see why? Postcount: 516612 [02:40:22] <elmickers> if you're caldari in a fleet fight, bring a corp
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.01 19:02:00 - [17] tempest has doudle damage bonus vs the single on mealstom tempest get dmg/rof bonus mealstrom get rof/shiled boost bonus though the mealstrom gets 8 turrets it beats the tempest only in dmg overtime the sheer opening bump still holds the tempest higher by a hair . if you wanted to go all dmg mods and close range just one big hit then you could push some crazy #'s on a tempy like 20x+ but in all around fleet actions your best off actually using megathrons and tempys with 3x dmg mods only when you factor in cost and the ability to sustain fire . signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected]) why dont you just tell me ?
NoNah Unseen University	Posted - 2007.11.01 19:05:00 - [18] Originally by: prathe tempest has doudle damage bonus vs the single on mealstom tempest get dmg/rof bonus mealstrom get rof/shiled boost bonus though the mealstrom gets 8 turrets it beats the tempest only in dmg overtime the sheer opening bump still holds the tempest higher by a hair . if you wanted to go all dmg mods and close range just one big hit then you could push some crazy #'s on a tempy like 20x+ but in all around fleet actions your best off actually using megathrons and tempys with 3x dmg mods only when you factor in cost and the ability to sustain fire . Point is... Tempest with 3 gyros, max skills - 18.1 per gun, 6 guns = 108,6 multiplier Maelstrom with 3 gyros, max skills - 14.5 per gun, 8 guns = 116 multiplier Once again, what am I missing? Postcount: 816979 [02:40:22] <elmickers> if you're caldari in a fleet fight, bring a corp
Brodde Dim	Posted - 2007.11.01 19:05:00 - [19] Originally by: prathe though the mealstrom gets 8 turrets it beats the tempest only in dmg overtime the sheer opening bump still holds the tempest higher by a hair . No.
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.11.01 19:20:00 - [20] titan's ddd ftw Why are you still reading? Its over. Continue to the next post.
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.01 19:24:00 - [21] well tbh it has always been my experience that tempest always take big leads and lose over time to maelstroms and i have put both up against on another many times though the math seems to give the edge to the maelstrom experience tells me othewise . the higher potential dmg mod means the higher potential of a good-wrecking shot . now i have seen many fleet fights in eve but the tempest honestly is the only ship i have ever seen 1 volley a t-1 cruiser or use 2\3rds of a volley to kill two frigs and the other third to pod them , at 150k. i have seen tempys take domi's from full shields to half armor in a single volley . i just have never seen my maelstrom do that but this figures into the unpredictable im aware but honestly i have never seen anything hit harder ,i guess i tend to really only remember the big hits like the wreckings and so on ... sorry signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected]) why dont you just tell me ?
Nocturnal Avenger The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.11.01 19:34:00 - [22] Originally by: NoNah Point is... Tempest with 3 gyros, max skills - 18.1 per gun, 6 guns = 108,6 multiplier Maelstrom with 3 gyros, max skills - 14.5 per gun, 8 guns = 116 multiplier Once again, what am I missing? You (and others) are missing this tiny fact: tempest has slot 7 and 8 as well - and if max alpha is the goal, it can fit 2 siege launchers, rage torpedoes and 3 BCU's. Then it will beat maelstrom by quite a large margin. Remember - OP said tank was not a concern. - Carebear Pirate -
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.01 19:38:00 - [23] actually you would need rigging and rcu's and a possible cpu mod to do it but yes that is possible i forgot about that i always put a large neut in 7 for tacklers signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected]) why dont you just tell me ?
Kelbesque Crystalis Minmatar Eve University	Posted - 2007.11.01 19:38:00 - [24] Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger Originally by: NoNah Point is... Tempest with 3 gyros, max skills - 18.1 per gun, 6 guns = 108,6 multiplier Maelstrom with 3 gyros, max skills - 14.5 per gun, 8 guns = 116 multiplier Once again, what am I missing? You (and others) are missing this tiny fact: tempest has slot 7 and 8 as well - and if max alpha is the goal, it can fit 2 siege launchers, rage torpedoes and 3 BCU's. Then it will beat maelstrom by quite a large margin. Remember - OP said tank was not a concern. You can't count missiles and artillery in the same alpha as they wont hit at the same time. Not unless you are at close enough range for the artillery to start missing. Forget 1 vollying small ships at close range with large Arty.
Nocturnal Avenger The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.11.01 19:43:00 - [25] Originally by: Kelbesque Crystalis You can't count missiles and artillery in the same alpha as they wont hit at the same time. Not unless you are at close enough range for the artillery to start missing. Forget 1 vollying small ships at close range with large Arty. Tempest 2 KM from a POS/dread will hit "almost" at the same time with guns/torps. Alpha is (IMHO anyway) the amount of damage from the first volley. (but I agree with you point though) - Carebear Pirate -
Twin blade Minmatar The Triangle Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.11.01 20:21:00 - [26] Naglfar 2 quad 3500's 1 Siege mode x5 cormacks tracking comps x6 shaqils gyro's x2 Damage rig's in siege mode you get 27776 insane yes but the cost of the ship is insane as well but its just dam sweet and way cooler than the other set up's. I know its pointless as no one will ever use this kind of set up but man thats 1 big volly. !
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.01 20:27:00 - [27] Edited by: Grimpak on 01/11/2007 20:27:40 Originally by: Twin blade Naglfar 2 quad 3500's 1 Siege mode x5 cormacks tracking comps x6 shaqils gyro's x2 Damage rig's in siege mode you get 27776 insane yes but the cost of the ship is insane as well but its just dam sweet and way cooler than the other set up's. I know its pointless as no one will ever use this kind of set up but man thats 1 big volly. ...how about a friggin' ragnarok? edit: and people keep forgetting the TI 'pest --- planetary interaction idea!
Twin blade Minmatar The Triangle Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.11.01 20:29:00 - [28] Edited by: Twin blade on 01/11/2007 20:32:23 Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 01/11/2007 20:27:40 Originally by: Twin blade Naglfar 2 quad 3500's 1 Siege mode x5 cormacks tracking comps x6 shaqils gyro's x2 Damage rig's in siege mode you get 27776 insane yes but the cost of the ship is insane as well but its just dam sweet and way cooler than the other set up's. I know its pointless as no one will ever use this kind of set up but man thats 1 big volly. ...how about a friggin' ragnarok? edit: and people keep forgetting the TI 'pest No siege mode but so turret volly is 14367 but i guess the DD will make up for that and might be cheaper than the naglfar set up. He never posted no dread or titan's and he never said it has to be cheap. !
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2007.11.01 20:45:00 - [29] id think turret ships would have the highest potential broadside, while missle ships would have the most consistant broadside.
Rudy Metallo Additional Pylons	Posted - 2007.11.01 21:01:00 - [30] Originally by: NoNah Edited by: NoNah on 01/11/2007 18:31:18 Originally by: prathe tempest - mealstrom nothing else comes close Fleet Tempest 6x 1400mm Howitzer II's (Quake) 3x Gyrostab Max skills 6081 EFT alpha Navy Raven 7x Siege Launcher II(Rage Whatever) 3x BCU II Max skills 6569 EFT Alpha What am I missing? Maelstrom is almost as high, it's betwen the Raven and CNR in alpha. Abaddon is almost identical to Fleet Tempest. The 20 seconds it takes to get from point a to point b, meanwhile the Tempest's damage is immeadiate. -- We are the revolutionaries. We are the usurpers of the heavenly throne. We are the enemies of the Gods.

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