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Volscani
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Posted - 2007.11.02 09:30:00 -
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Edited by: Volscani on 02/11/2007 09:32:01
I just heard a rumor that on sisi the scorpion and falcon now receive a 20% ecm jam bonus.
I don't have access to the test server at the moment if anyone could confirm that, it would be very helpful.
If the rumor is false sorry for the thread.(I didn't see anything about this on the last 3 pages so I thought it might be thread worthy if true)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.11.02 09:37:00 -
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Volscani
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Posted - 2007.11.02 09:39:00 -
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Thank you very much, and if there was already a post on this I apologize.
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Homo Gestalt
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Posted - 2007.11.02 09:41:00 -
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That's not even what he was asking for, Akita. Stupid... No the Curse is not getting buffed.
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.11.02 09:44:00 -
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Oooooh shiny. We just might start seeing ECCM's in some setups again.
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Volscani
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Posted - 2007.11.02 09:46:00 -
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Edited by: Volscani on 02/11/2007 09:47:49
If the changes stay a ecm range rigged falcon with a covert ops cloak could be a very effective fleet ship. Also maybe a way to balance the new marauders as solo ships?
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.11.02 09:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Carniflex
Oooooh shiny. We just might start seeing ECCM's in some setups again.
Actually, our enemies already tend to fit ECCM, due to some high-skill ECM pilots we have. I suspect this change will make them very happy (our pilots that is, not our enemies  ).
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.02 10:00:00 -
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Epic win by CCP.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.11.02 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Homo Gestalt
That's not even what he was asking for, Akita.
Yes it is.
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Mary Makepeace
Caldari
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.11.02 10:12:00 -
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this is the best news I have heard, much needed since the ECM nerf.
is there any indication that ECM will need scripts?
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.02 10:23:00 -
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Great. What about the Pilgrim then? It got stuffed by the nos nerf: can we have a boost aswell??
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.02 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Makepeace
this is the best news I have heard, much needed since the ECM nerf.
is there any indication that ECM will need scripts?
Why would it need scripts? I think the existance of racial jammers and the low strength of the multis (with pretty high cap use), pretty much covers it.
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari
Free Traders
Free Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.02 10:33:00 -
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yes ... YES ... BLOODY HELL YYYEEEEEEAAAAHHHH !!!!
finaly I can start using the ECM ships again at full force ... thank yuou CCP, please let this make it onto TQ !!!
Originally by: Aravel Thon
Originally by: Nith Batoxxx
Hi my alt just leanred to fly the ferox...............
I am so so terribly sorry...
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.02 10:37:00 -
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Aye racial jammers are basically the scripted version of ECM - hugely boost one attribute, nerf all others. That, and thye have better range, better faloff, easier fitting and less cap use 
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Denga Vulture
The X-Trading Company
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.11.02 10:48:00 -
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ah well .. and why we nerf the arazu with its sensor damps ??? ... time to say again: welcome to caldari online
- All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me
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Ess Erbe
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.02 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Denga Vulture
ah well .. and why we nerf the arazu with its sensor damps ??? ... time to say again: welcome to caldari online
You have got to be kidding me.
While I'm personally not to happy with all aspects of the sensor dampener readjustments, they were incredibly powerful and didn't work off of the chance based system that ECM jammers do.
3 damps could neutralize any battlecruiser's offensive capability. A full-skilled Rook with the right racial jammer didn't have a 100% chance of doing that.
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Leya Marcsson
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Posted - 2007.11.02 11:02:00 -
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YAY!
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.02 11:08:00 -
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Personally, I think this makes the Blackbird hilariously overpowered, for a 4 mill cruiser...
...what am I saying? Boost away, CCP! 
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Remarka
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Posted - 2007.11.02 11:31:00 -
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I think when th scripts actually hits ECM (with a force of slegehummer to the head) it will be like current damps/TD and other. 50% nerf to ECM strengh and optimal and scripts that change strengh into optimal and vice versa. Here you get strong (like now) close range ECM "hello primary, here is the focus for you" or long range (like now) "forget him, he can't jamm even our inties from there".
I wouldn't belive SiSi right now. I better wait for Rev3 going live and then start celebrating... or looking around.
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Delichon
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.02 11:42:00 -
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I think BB just got a bit overpowered. It was a great "general annoyance" ship. Now it will become a general "must have" in small gangs. And yes - ECCM all the way for the enemies.
Scorp got what it deserved - with 10% ECM strenght bonus it was only marginally better than BB (2 more mids, some buffer tank that melted in seconds anyway - good, but nothing fancy) Now Scorp gets actually better than BB(at cruiser 5) on Caldary BS 4 - and would shine at Caldary BS 5. It might even become... gulp... a good soloship
Falcon - again, something this ship longed for. Because if soloing Arazu is good for you, soloing Huggin is good for you, even Ammar whine "Why can't my Curse solo!!!" - guess what, soloing Falcon is a death sentence. You can only fit 2 launchers and you have 0 drone capacity(so your DPS almost 0), miss 1 ECM cycle - and you need to warp out.
Widow... I have to take back my words. Widow may become a soloECMpwnmobile. Not that I like this idea (kind of used to being "Caldari - bring a corp" guy), but with 20% per level Widow may have enough ECM tank to effectively solo.
These all observations are my humble oppinion and they are only viable if these changes hit TQ.
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Spartan dax
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.02 11:47:00 -
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Hrrrmmm. No point in flying a Rook anymore apparantly, Falcon all the way.
This is an unneeded boost to ECM IMO and I fly these ships all the time. What CCP should be doing is getting rid of the SDA spammage in the low slots by turning it into a sligthly more powerfull DCU like module (ie you can only fit one). That would give us similar ECM strength as on TQ today and be a boost to the ships, not ECM.
Ok, the Scorpion could use some lovin but the rest is just over the top. The Falcon should have its (10%) ECM strength bonus switched to the cruiser skill so you'd start out with the same Jamming strength as the Blackbird.
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M00dy
Killed In Action
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Posted - 2007.11.02 11:59:00 -
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It was fine before, not needed.
RATatatatata
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Mary Makepeace
Caldari
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.11.02 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan dax
Hrrrmmm. No point in flying a Rook anymore apparantly, Falcon all the way.
This is an unneeded boost to ECM IMO and I fly these ships all the time. What CCP should be doing is getting rid of the SDA spammage in the low slots by turning it into a sligthly more powerfull DCU like module (ie you can only fit one). That would give us similar ECM strength as on TQ today and be a boost to the ships, not ECM.
Ok, the Scorpion could use some lovin but the rest is just over the top. The Falcon should have its (10%) ECM strength bonus switched to the cruiser skill so you'd start out with the same Jamming strength as the Blackbird.
this sounds like a much better balance.
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Phaedruss
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Posted - 2007.11.02 12:57:00 -
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This is great news. The Falcon deserved a buff.
But doesn't it seem very odd? The Falcon gets nerfed into poor second cousin status, and they realize their blunder by giving it something back. But, in the same patch they decide to finally and absolutely relegate the Pilgrim to the trash heap by kicking it in the guts a second time, and take a big chunk of effectiveness off the Arazu/Lachesis.
Do they have multiple nerfing teams assigned to different ships that just never communicate with each other? The fact that they've decided the Falcon really does need a bit of a buff after the nerf should demonstrate to everyone that no, they really don't know what they're doing.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.02 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: M00dy
It was fine before, not needed.
I take it you don't fly them?
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.11.02 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 02/11/2007 13:10:19
This is a very nice boost for lower-skilled ECM pilots. At the moment ECM is already good, even in current Scorps, if you have very high ECM skills.
This lowers the bar a bit, and makes it more worthwhile for less skilled pilots to step into a BB or Scorp. This is good, imho.
And boosting the Falcon to be on par with the Rook only makes sense.
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Oron
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Posted - 2007.11.02 13:23:00 -
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Yea, now the Falcon have the Cloak and the Rook the damage as uniq ability - thats nice. Kitsune get a 20% capa bonus! Wow, guess that will be the first frig really be used for in its ECM role.
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demonfurbie
Minmatar
Covert Nexus
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2007.11.02 14:09:00 -
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good the scorp needed a change imo cause you where better off fitting damps over ecm in some situations. now we will see more of them in combat. then it wont be get a rohk or a raven.
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Wrayeth
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.11.02 14:23:00 -
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Wow. I may just undock my scorp, for once. And the falcon I've been deriding for some time as being incapable of jamming heavier ships may actually be something for me to buy, now. And the Widow getting a 20% jam strength bonus instead of 10% is uber, too. I think I may actually start flying ECM boats again.
-Wrayeth
n00b Extraordinaire
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Ulstan
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.02 14:33:00 -
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I like these changes, especially for the scorpion and falcon.
Regarding sensor dampeners, I remember CCP nerfing them about 3 years ago because you only needed about two of them to completley shut down any ship. They're still 'better' than ECM in that they work all the time, against any ship.
As far as scripts for ECM goes, they pretty much already come prescripted, given the racial and multi spectral versions.
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