I like pepperoni pizza.

Just finished reading this article on evenews24 and i have to say that it's 100% true. Even if new players want to get into this game is pretty damn harsh to establish yourself into the game without pulling 1-2 plexes from the beginning.

[url]http://www.evenews24.com/2012/01/27/jesters-trek-strangled-in-the-crib/[/url]

in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets.

without pulling 1-2 plexes from the beginning.

No, new players do not need to buy isk to get established. They need SPs and knowledge.

in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets.

To a certain extent EvE is starting to be more like a chore game rather then doing something "FUN". And from a newcomer perspective yeah its hard to PROGRESS in this GAME when EvE is putting accent on SKILLPOINTS and ISK.

You don't have to work hard, but you'll have to settle for cheaper but still effective things to have fun in. If you want the biggest e-peen enlargement or the best equipment though, you'll going to have to work for it one way or another and that's how it should always be. If you want it all now without putting in that effort, I don't think MMOs are the right genre of games for you.

To be clear, you should be able to enjoy EVE to some extent without 'working hard' but absolutely there should differentiation offered to those who put in the time and effort.

Sorry, but doing that kind of thing isn't a game at all and that's not what MMORPGs are about otherwise they aren't MMORPGs. What your basically telling me is the real life equivalent of telling someone to go inside and play around, do drawing whatever they like but in reality what you've just done is stuffed me in a warehouse with machines forcing me to build model spaceships to sell to children over sees while you take a huge percentage of the profits.

The fact is the people defending this kind of crap seem to have managed to convince themselves that doing this is actually fun which is why I don't blame people for wanting to use bots on these games at all, in fact I would say it would help the game hugely if you could legalise bots and let people develop them on their own as scripts because it would make the game much more fun.




No, there shouldn't, because basically you're just saying "I want fun for everyone else but me and I don't give a **** about them even though they're paying for the subscription fees and CCP servers the same as everyone else" you are honestly just plainly stupid if you actually think that in a game of all things you should be rewarded for 'working' when it is supposed to be a pass time and something fun you do.

If EVE rewards hard work, I want my paycheck.

Sorry, but doing that kind of thing isn't a game at all and that's not what MMORPGs are about otherwise they aren't MMORPGs. What your basically telling me is the real life equivalent of telling someone to go inside and play around, do drawing whatever they like but in reality what you've just done is stuffed me in a warehouse with machines forcing me to build model spaceships to sell to children overseas while you take a huge percentage of the profits.

The fact is the people defending this kind of crap seem to have managed to convince themselves that doing this is actually fun which is why I don't blame people for wanting to use bots on these games at all, in fact I would say it would help the game hugely if you could legalise bots and let people develop them on their own as scripts because it would make the game much more fun.




No, there shouldn't, because basically you're just saying "I want fun for everyone else but me and I don't give a **** about them even though they're paying for the subscription fees and CCP servers the same as everyone else" you are honestly just plainly stupid if you actually think that in a game of all things you should be rewarded for 'working' when it is supposed to be a pass time and something fun you do.

If EVE rewards hard work, I want my paycheck.

Sorry, but doing that kind of thing isn't a game at all and that's not what MMORPGs are about otherwise they aren't MMORPGs.

Ugh.... Just seriously, how pathetic can you be trolling a player that's just posting a fact? This is why I've blocked you people, you seem completely detached from reality.

Ask anyone who plays any sport professionally or semi professionally or on a team. Hell ask any Poker or Pool Player.

Some Games require dedication and time to get good at them. This is one of those games.

you're given the tools and you do whatever you want to do with them. that's how sandboxes are.

No, there shouldn't, because basically you're just saying "I want fun for everyone else but me and I don't give a **** about them even though they're paying for the subscription fees and CCP servers the same as everyone else" you are honestly just plainly stupid if you actually think that in a game of all things you should be rewarded for 'working' when it is supposed to be a pass time and something fun you do.

If EVE rewards hard work, I want my paycheck.

If EVE rewards hard work, I want my paycheck.

Just finished reading this article on evenews24 and i have to say that it's 100% true. Even if new players want to get into this game is pretty damn harsh to establish yourself into the game without pulling 1-2 plexes from the beginning.

Anyway, the reality of it is that the Czechs aren't all that different from the Slovaks.

/ducks

If EVE rewards hard work, I want my paycheck.

Just finished reading this article on evenews24 and i have to say that it's 100% true. Even if new players want to get into this game is pretty damn harsh to establish yourself into the game without pulling 1-2 plexes from the beginning.

[url]http://www.evenews24.com/2012/01/27/jesters-trek-strangled-in-the-crib/[/url]

It is essentially this line of thinking that ruins every MMO where the developers eventually cave to this line of reasoning.

The competitive players move on thanks to 'welfare epics' and the game begins a slow decline into mediocrity.

Just finished reading this article on evenews24 and i have to say that it's true.

in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets.

I am a vet and I am bitter, I wish was I noob with a game offering me instant gratification, if only

Yes, let's make eve just like the other 397,268 MMO's that do the instant gratification thingy. Oh wait; that would run off it's core customer base and they'd close the servers in 3 months tops.

I have a better idea. All the whiney children go play one of the thousands of other games that cater to their ADD mentality.

I agree with you, of course. I am just bitter because eve takes it to the extreme sometimes. Playing on a weekend for half a day to hopefully if lucky get into a pvp fight by zerging or getting blobbed gets old, back in 2006 pvp was better. Can't put my finger on why, but eve is a lot more boring today than back in the day. Perhaps it is because I am a bitter old vet, who knows, but even after +years break this game is still old and seem to head to worse places.

Maybe it also makes it worse by the fact that my SP and other peoples SP is too much today. The gapis too great. Same with the ISK gap. All MMO's seem to suffer when they become old, or too old. Same with WoW and others.

I would disagree about the SP issue. I just spent a 10 month stint in highsec. What I saw in there was new players asking about pvp/nullsec/lowsec and being told by the all the washouts that.....

1. You need 50mil SP to compete
2. That you'd be a slave to some RMT overlord
3. That it takes billions of ISK to compete in any form of PVP

The washouts from null/lowsec are the ones who are causing these problems and they should've been run out of EVE years ago.

We've brought in newer players into our alliance and they work fine. The number one thing in EVE is attitude. If you have a rotten attitude then you'll never go anywhere; if you have a good attitude you'll be able to get into 70% of corps alliances in your first year.

This is my first EVE character.

I have never bought a PLEX for ISK, and within 3 months I was funding this, and another character, by buying PLEX in game.

Did I do it wrong?

Because the challenge IS the game!!..... you moron !

Please learn to write coherently if you're going to try being clever and use block/bolded capitals.

Quoted for idiotic irony.

Anyone who actually plays this game knows that the majority of the tools we're given for this sandbox either suck like exhumers, are completely imbalanced like tech 2's, are broken like public labs, or they have ridiculous timesinks on them like mission running.

The only thing that actually works properly in this game as it should is the star map and planetary management but don't go telling me that in planetary management I am supposed to wait three minutes before I can even transfer anything from the storage to anywhere else, that's just poor game design.

"I agree with the core points re:new players (but then new players have pay for the older players' subscriptions via PLEX) but the article discredits itself by over-exaggerating the problem.

And yet here you still are , complaining and being an ass.And you call others morons because they don't mind a little grind.


Ironic.

No, I call others morons because they seem to think that doing tedious, repetitive and poorly thought out tasks in a game is fun, the only irony here is that people like you run around convincing yourselves that all the time you spend grinding in EVE Online isn't completely worthless and if you spent the amount of time you did playing this game on something else not only would it be more fun but you'd have actually achieved something in life rather than just being forced to do another grinding session yet again as CCP release more content.

Just finished reading this article on evenews24 and i have to say that it's 100% true. Even if new players want to get into this game is pretty damn harsh to establish yourself into the game without pulling 1-2 plexes from the beginning.

[url]http://www.evenews24.com/2012/01/27/jesters-trek-strangled-in-the-crib/[/url]

It has never been easier to get started in Eve than now, it has never been easier to make isk at even low sp than now.

Not really no, mainly because when you have to do these actions, you have to do them for hours, upon hours, upon hours, upon hours in order to make any progress, in fact sometimes you have to even have to wait days or even months before you get to where you want to go in EVE and most people will actually paying money for this game so why should we have to just let our account run out because of crappy game design?
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get a life

Ya know, PLEX haven't always been in the game. You young whipper snappers have it way to easy.

So yet again then why are you even playing this game , why are you wasting that oh so precious time of yours on this forum?

No, I call others morons because they seem to think that doing tedious, repetitive and poorly thought out tasks in a game is fun, the only irony here is that people like you run around convincing yourselves that all the time you spend grinding in EVE Online isn't completely worthless and if you spent the amount of time you did playing this game on something else not only would it be more fun but you'd have actually achieved something in life rather than just being forced to do another grinding session yet again as CCP release more content.

It's very simple, I have this thing called money, I spent it on subscription

It's very simple, I have this thing called money, I spent it on subscription, I have a legal right to complain if my product sucks so unless you're going to give me the 38.85 I paid because I know CCP won't then you can gtfo, that said I doubt someone like you would understand very much since apparently there are a ton of botters in 0.0 alliances who grind ISK for you so you can easily buy PLEX with ISK without having to pay for anything.

so yeah, I think I'll just stay here annoying you vets who think you're special just because of how long you've played the game.

No, I call others morons because they seem to think that doing tedious, repetitive and poorly thought out tasks in a game is fun, ... if you spent the amount of time you did playing this game on something else not only would it be more fun but you'd have actually achieved something in life rather than just being forced to do another grinding session yet again as CCP release more content.

It's very simple, I have this thing called money, I spent it on subscription, I have a legal right to complain if my product sucks so unless you're going to give me the 38.85 I paid because I know CCP won't then you can gtfo,

Or, you could go and join the forces of elite pvp and do all teh above alone and without help. Of course, being as we are part of the CFC though that pilot will have been fed so much propaganda and drivel about how the CFC scam and backstab he wont want to approach us, he will go and join our enemies, providing us with more targets, and when he loses his ships, well he can always go and rat in a drake until he can afford anew one right?

I would disagree about the SP issue. I just spent a 10 month stint in highsec. What I saw in there was new players asking about pvp/nullsec/lowsec and being told by the all the washouts that.....

1. You need 50mil SP to compete
2. That you'd be a slave to some RMT overlord
3. That it takes billions of ISK to compete in any form of PVP

The washouts from null/lowsec are the ones who are causing these problems and they should've been run out of EVE years ago.

We've brought in newer players into our alliance and they work fine. The number one thing in EVE is attitude. If you have a rotten attitude then you'll never go anywhere; if you have a good attitude you'll be able to get into 70% of corps alliances in your first year.

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Lol OP.

Seriously.. getting money in this game isn't all that hard. And while a new player can be a bit overwhelmed with things, if they join a good corp with people that will teach them the ropes, then things are fine. You do NOT need all of those fancy ships you're talking about.

A newbie in a rifter is a scary prospect if he knows what he's doing, especially if he has 20 veteran friends with him.
A Drake will do level 4s just fine if you really want ot mission.
A cane or drake works fine in incursions until you can afford a shinier ship for it.


Learning how to be self sufficient and make money in Eve is something that every player should learn early on. Finding somethign they like doing and makes money which pays for further advancements and projects they want to undertake.

As for 100M in 100 days.. that's bloody easy. I made my first billion in my first month, 6 months later, I had an income of several hundred million a month. Nowadays it's close to 2B and soon expanding upwards to 3-4B when my next project starts up.

Not really no, mainly because when you have to do these actions, you have to do them for hours, upon hours, upon hours, upon hours in order to make any progress, in fact sometimes you have to even have to wait days or even months before you get to where you want to go in EVE and most people will actually paying money for this game so why should we have to just let our account run out because of crappy game design?

It's very simple, I have this thing called money, I spent it on subscription, I have a legal right to complain if my product sucks so unless you're going to give me the 38.85 I paid because I know CCP won't then you can gtfo, that said I doubt someone like you would understand very much since apparently there are a ton of botters in 0.0 alliances who grind ISK for you so you can easily buy PLEX with ISK without having to pay for anything.

so yeah, I think I'll just stay here annoying you vets who think you're special just because of how long you've played the game.

Is it just me or does it seem like there's more of an entitlement mentality since CCP got rid of the learning skills?

This is my first EVE character.

I have never bought a PLEX for ISK, and within 3 months I was funding this, and another character, by buying PLEX in game.

Did I do it wrong?

You do realize that the entire existence of ALL kinds of video games is predicated on doing the same pointless bullshit that you do in Eve? That no video game has any redeeming qualities and they're all a waste of precious time which cause you to waste your life doing something that won't help advance you or your fellow human beings in any way whatsoever....right? Ok, just wanted to make sure.

Eve is an MMO. This happens with all MMO's. Things start getting top-heavy, with the MMO having mostly players who have higher skills/levels/w/e and a lot more in-game money than any of the new players. Eve just has a different system so it expresses itself in a different way.

In the end for Eve, though, i think the biggest problem with this is still SP. In Eve's specific case, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to incrementally step up the amount of SP a player starts out with over time, in order to bridge the widening gap between old players and brand spankin' new players.

But hey, CCP has been driving their game to the point where it's anti-new player for years now, and only a few new players really end up getting into the game. Who am I to care what they decide to do next.

Brought to the extreme.. a new player starts with 100M SP..
Right, I don't see a problem with that for CCPs business model to 'motivate' the paying customer to stick with the game for a long time.

And you tie that to the SP a new player has?
Isn't that a bit narrow winded?

Eve is an MMO. This happens with all MMO's. Things start getting top-heavy, with the MMO having mostly players who have higher skills/levels/w/e and a lot more in-game money than any of the new players. Eve just has a different system so it expresses itself in a different way.

In the end for Eve, though, i think the biggest problem with this is still SP. In Eve's specific case, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to incrementally step up the amount of SP a player starts out with over time, in order to bridge the widening gap between old players and brand spankin' new players.

But hey, CCP has been driving their game to the point where it's anti-new player for years now, and only a few new players really end up getting into the game. Who am I to care what they decide to do next.