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Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:35:00 - [61] Originally by: Xaen I wish they'd consult me for the GUI design, or at least my thread (and others' posts too). It takes a very picky bastard to design a top notch GUI. A merely sufficient GUI is a complete failure. If you can't grasp that as a truth, don't work on GUIs. Indeed, we can only hope. Quote: Tarminic, wtf is RDMA? Wikipedia Summary: Quote: Remote Direct Memory Access (RDMA) allows data to move directly from the memory of one computer into that of another without involving either one's operating system. This permits high-throughput, low-latency networking, which is especially useful in massively parallel computer clusters. RDMA relies on a special philosophy in using DMA. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare
punnani	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:40:00 - [62] A ship type that everyone loved and aspired to fly one day. They say it was used as do-it all, all the time - nonsense. No one in their right mind would go solo pvp in a carrier away from a station or go rat in it. No one wants to risk a billion isk. Its used as a resupply ship in 0.0 because of the lack for a substitute. If jump freighter is any good, people will use that. New Freighters need to be able to carry unpackaged, rigged ships for Christ's sake! Taking away damage whoop-ass from a carrier is the most ugly part. WTF!!!! I hate u CCP, you make me wanna cancel my subscriptions. If you turn on your TV or google carriers you will find out, that carriers ARE the ultimate damage deallers. They are meant to strike from far and destroy pretty much everything. They are CAPITAL SHIPS not resupply barges!
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:40:00 - [63] Originally by: CCP Nozh Originally by: Minerva Vulcan It's good to hear the whys about changes. Now, your thoughts on the Eos and Myrmidon? Check the OMG YOU NUURFED MY DRONE thread. I disagree with some of the changes, for instance the Ishtar not being able to use a mix of Medium and Light Drones if the pilot wanted to maximize his DPS like that by sacrificing having backups. I felt it gave the ship a little bit of flavor, and the pilot some variety to work with if he wanted. Can't really comment on the Myrmidon, or the Eos, though, as I'd hardly be qualified. The Myrm I don't have experience with outside of missions quite some months ago, and the Eos I've never even though about flying before.
SexxxSlave	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:44:00 - [64] Originally by: Rells wahhh wahhhh wahhh dont worry, the cloak wont get nerfed for a little while, so agony has nothing to worry about.

CCP Nozh	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:46:00 - [65] Originally by: punnani Taking away damage whoop-ass from a carrier is the most ugly part. WTF!!!! I hate u CCP, you make me wanna cancel my subscriptions. If you turn on your TV or google carriers you will find out, that carriers ARE the ultimate damage deallers. They are meant to strike from far and destroy pretty much everything. They are CAPITAL SHIPS not resupply barges! If you link me to a post or dev blog from me where I say carriers are overpowered and I'm taking away their damage, I'll eat my own head. Also EVE Balance > RL/Other Sci Fi. As soon as people start comparing EVE to real life or battlestar galactica I stop reading. Nozh Game Designer CCP Games

Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:48:00 - [66] Originally by: CCP Nozh If you link me to a post or dev blog from me where I say carriers are overpowered and I'm taking away their damage, I'll eat my own head. That would be a neat trick! Originally by: CCP Nozh Also EVE Balance > RL/Other Sci Fi. As soon as people start comparing EVE to real life or battlestar galactica I stop reading. You mean you hate hearing "well RL insurance and police aren't like that!" as much as I do? <3

CCP Nozh	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:49:00 - [67] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan I disagree with some of the changes, for instance the Ishtar not being able to use a mix of Medium and Light Drones if the pilot wanted to maximize his DPS like that by sacrificing having backups. I felt it gave the ship a little bit of flavor, and the pilot some variety to work with if he wanted. Can't really comment on the Myrmidon, or the Eos, though, as I'd hardly be qualified. The Myrm I don't have experience with outside of missions quite some months ago, and the Eos I've never even though about flying before. Afaik the Ishtar is still getting the 50m^3 dronebay per level bonus, so total dronebay should still be 375m^3 with max skills. Right? Nozh Game Designer CCP Games

Fayn Trak Gallente Myridian Trading Systems	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:51:00 - [68] I had a thought a while back but wasn't really paying sufficient attention to all the ideas and rants flying back and forth to be able to tell what the alternate solutions people came up with were, apart from the they're fine don't change anything crowd. Anyway the general line of allowing capital fittings for carriers to allow them to fill the rolls they do currently but not all at the same time, The capital construction components are already there say you had 2 or three slots you could add extra components to through a brief stay in a shipyard(an hour a day a week whatever stops people from just swapping on the fly) Also the best entertainment follows ideas that borrow from real life or battlestar indeed anything that has both is all but law. A herd of cattle A flock of geese A lot of isk
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:53:00 - [69] Originally by: CCP Nozh If you link me to a post or dev blog from me where I say carriers are overpowered and I'm taking away their damage, I'll eat my own head. This is me begging someone to please come up with a way to make him do this. Also, video tape it. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Prydeless Vengeance of the Fallen Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:54:00 - [70] Edited by: Prydeless on 07/11/2007 19:54:51 Originally by: CCP Nozh Originally by: Semkhet People log in EvE to have fun. Logistics are a pain in the ass. You should think twice before altering the balance between fun & boredom. Your customers aren't all kiddies paying the subs with daddy's CC. Yeah but too easy logistics are also a pain in the ass. We've been making logistics a lot easier with "jump bridges" and the POS fueling change, the hauling carriers were over the top. Disclaimer: I am a God.

Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:54:00 - [71] Edited by: Minerva Vulcan on 07/11/2007 19:54:34 Originally by: CCP Nozh Originally by: Minerva Vulcan I disagree with some of the changes, for instance the Ishtar not being able to use a mix of Medium and Light Drones if the pilot wanted to maximize his DPS like that by sacrificing having backups. I felt it gave the ship a little bit of flavor, and the pilot some variety to work with if he wanted. Can't really comment on the Myrmidon, or the Eos, though, as I'd hardly be qualified. The Myrm I don't have experience with outside of missions quite some months ago, and the Eos I've never even though about flying before. Afaik the Ishtar is still getting the 50m^3 dronebay per level bonus, so total dronebay should still be 375m^3 with max skills. Right? Isn't Bandwith going to limit the usage of Medium Drones in the mix of 5 Drones usable at once, or am I misunderstanding it?
Pacala Gallente AirHawk Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:56:00 - [72] OK, so barring any stupidity the OP is correct. This game has been fun since Beta, but the nerf bat has been swung enough times. A Kestrel with cruise missles requiring a rollback... fine. A Thorax with 10 drones... fine. A Rupture with 2 MWDs... fine. Everyone who PVPs fitting a WCS... fine. There is no need to make all these adjustments to existing ships because nothing is currently unbalanced to a great degree. EVE was noted for the amount of social creativity and interaction it allows, not for the complexity of its nerfs and counternerfs. Bring us more original content, imagination, story, and overall vision as opposed to newer and better tables in your database. __________________________________________________ I haven't needed a signature for 4 years. ccp = cccp? discuss
Major Stallion Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:56:00 - [73] Originally by: CCP Nozh As soon as people start comparing EVE to real life or battlestar galactica I stop reading. ^^This ________________________________ High Sec PvP Originally by: "Wylker" CCP has finally mastered stupidity
punnani	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:58:00 - [74] Originally by: CCP Nozh Originally by: punnani Taking away damage whoop-ass from a carrier is the most ugly part. WTF!!!! I hate u CCP, you make me wanna cancel my subscriptions. If you turn on your TV or google carriers you will find out, that carriers ARE the ultimate damage deallers. They are meant to strike from far and destroy pretty much everything. They are CAPITAL SHIPS not resupply barges! If you link me to a post or dev blog from me where I say carriers are overpowered and I'm taking away their damage, I'll eat my own head. Also EVE Balance > RL/Other Sci Fi. As soon as people start comparing EVE to real life or battlestar galactica I stop reading. You nearfing damage where you allow to only launch 5 fighters and not be able to kill small ships with it. EAT IT!
Blackend Sky The Paratwa Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:58:00 - [75] Changes are always good... Personally i am not that kind of pilot who study every fitting or changes that will come,make me bored..have my way already^^ CCP makes the sandbox,we are sitting in it ,allowed to sit with our butt in it, your choice it was,play and have fun.There are many sandboxes out there,but we loaned that box.If thats not good to play in it,there are many many other grounds to test. Enj°y the box betheren.

CCP Nozh	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:59:00 - [76] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Isn't Bandwith going to limit the usage of Medium Drones in the mix of 5 Drones usable at once, or am I misunderstanding it? The Ishtars bandwidth is 125m^3. Thus it can control 5x heavy drones, with that bandwidth it could launch 25x light drones or 12x medium drones, however it's still being limited by max 5 drones in space. So basically we aren't changing the Ishtar at all. Nozh Game Designer CCP Games

Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:00:00 - [77] Originally by: punnani Originally by: CCP Nozh Originally by: punnani Taking away damage whoop-ass from a carrier is the most ugly part. WTF!!!! I hate u CCP, you make me wanna cancel my subscriptions. If you turn on your TV or google carriers you will find out, that carriers ARE the ultimate damage deallers. They are meant to strike from far and destroy pretty much everything. They are CAPITAL SHIPS not resupply barges! If you link me to a post or dev blog from me where I say carriers are overpowered and I'm taking away their damage, I'll eat my own head. Also EVE Balance > RL/Other Sci Fi. As soon as people start comparing EVE to real life or battlestar galactica I stop reading. You nearfing damage where you allow to only launch 5 fighters and not be able to kill small ships with it. EAT IT! God, your parents really should have beat you more as a kid. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:01:00 - [78] Edited by: Minerva Vulcan on 07/11/2007 20:02:46 Edited by: Minerva Vulcan on 07/11/2007 20:02:23 Originally by: CCP Nozh Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Isn't Bandwith going to limit the usage of Medium Drones in the mix of 5 Drones usable at once, or am I misunderstanding it? The Ishtars bandwidth is 125m^3. Thus it can control 5x heavy drones, with that bandwidth it could launch 25x light drones or 12x medium drones, however it's still being limited by max 5 drones in space. So basically we aren't changing the Ishtar at all. It's here that I realize I'm being a nub and refering to the Ishtar instead of the Ishkur, like I was originally thinking. I was thinking of the Ishkur's ability to no longer field a mix of Medium and Lights at a time if I understand it right. Names are to similar. :\
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:01:00 - [79] Originally by: CCP Nozh Originally by: Minerva Vulcan It's good to hear the whys about changes. Now, your thoughts on the Eos and Myrmidon? Check the OMG YOU NUURFED MY DRONE thread. Ugh. I had to read that whole thread to see your post. CAN HAS DIRECT LINX? Yes, you can! -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:05:00 - [80] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Xaen I wish they'd consult me for the GUI design, or at least my thread (and others' posts too). It takes a very picky bastard to design a top notch GUI. A merely sufficient GUI is a complete failure. If you can't grasp that as a truth, don't work on GUIs. Indeed, we can only hope. Quote: Tarminic, wtf is RDMA? Wikipedia Summary: Quote: Remote Direct Memory Access (RDMA) allows data to move directly from the memory of one computer into that of another without involving either one's operating system. This permits high-throughput, low-latency networking, which is especially useful in massively parallel computer clusters. RDMA relies on a special philosophy in using DMA. Oh, that. I thought it was some weird EVE-specific thing. I wasn't accessing the generic-CS portion of my brain. It'll be awesome if it works, but I'm only elevating my hope level slightly. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes


CCP Nozh	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:06:00 - [81] Originally by: punnani You nearfing damage where you allow to only launch 5 fighters and not be able to kill small ships with it. EAT IT! When did I say we're doing that? Link me. Please. And if you link me to Zuluparks blog, read it again, and try to notice this time that it was a suggestion, an idea, and we wanted feedback. I'm signing off the forums for today. But like I said earlier, things are cooling down so expect to see us more on the forums. Nozh Game Designer CCP Games


CCP Nozh	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:08:00 - [82] Originally by: Prydeless Edited by: Prydeless on 07/11/2007 19:54:51 Originally by: CCP Nozh Originally by: Semkhet People log in EvE to have fun. Logistics are a pain in the ass. You should think twice before altering the balance between fun & boredom. Your customers aren't all kiddies paying the subs with daddy's CC. Yeah but too easy logistics are also a pain in the ass. We've been making logistics a lot easier with "jump bridges" and the POS fueling change, the hauling carriers were over the top. Fixed it for you. Nozh Game Designer CCP Games

Si Delane	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:08:00 - [83] Originally by: Rells The nerfs across the point makes no sense. I cant see a unifying theme behind it. Its as if you got a new producer that has never played the game before. That, besides the dev posts, are probalby the most important thing I read in this entire post. All I want is the first 3 pages of some powerpoint presentation given about... 3-6 months ago to the design team by a producer. I can even guess the format: "Bringing New Dimensions to Combat: We want to combat in even to be more thingy. All this thingy, other thingy, and Amarr stuff just has to go. Thingies seem over used for this role, regardless of our intention, and we should attempt to respecialize them for this role. We can do this either by reducing thingy or increasing thingy. We should discuss the consequences of such changes." And so forth, I'm sure you get it now. What I want to know is the unified structure behind all these changes. The specifics can be smoothed out on Sisi and by your hundreds or thousands of concerned parties on the forums. Also, why is ever change a "nerf" (to use a word I really don't like). Couldn't you balance things by boosting other things? Ie. don't kill a carriers logistics capability or whatever (although I sort of agree with it! And I thank whatever Gods watch over me that I'm not in logistics), just make the jump freighters the BETTER TOOL. I assure you, if you make jump freighters the best damn logistics tool instead of merely eliminating all other options, people WILL use them. Maybe not right away, but when they lose a carrier, they'll replace it with a jump freighter since it does the job better. Maybe they'll gasp take carriers into combat! It's like you came out with a shiny new (expensive) hammer, and it's pretty good but not super! But everyone is using their old ones and making due with their capabilities them because they do the job. So you decide to sneak in and replace the metal in their old hammers with cotton candy. Seriously.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:09:00 - [84] smooth move punanni. Your lack of literacy scared a dev off the forums for the day. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Odhinn Vinlandii Minmatar THE KENSEI Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:13:00 - [85] Originally by: CCP Nozh Originally by: punnani Also EVE Balance > RL/Other Sci Fi. As soon as people start comparing EVE to real life or battlestar galactica I stop reading. EVE is a Sci-Fi game. Sci-Fi is based in reality, not fantasy. Also, think of it from the storyline perspective. Why would Minmatar suddenly decide to make one of their cap ships weaker? That doesn't fit well at all. Why would Minmatar make a such a huge ship without a huge number of huge guns period? How does one rationalize expending so much labor and resources into an unsustainable vessel. It just doesn't make any sense! The further EVE moves on, the more advanced and more ferocious the war machine should become.
Paddlefoot Aeon Neogen Industries Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:16:00 - [86] My major concern is still the availability of Jump Freighters. If you make them T2, the invention time will be brutal, the ships will be super expensive, and super rare. Tier 2 prices, combined with added components and BPO costs, can and will be able to price the ship similar to the rorqual without putting such a huge lag in 0.0 logistics. Now Recruiting. Click sig for details!
punnani	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:17:00 - [87] Originally by: CCP Nozh Originally by: punnani You nearfing damage where you allow to only launch 5 fighters and not be able to kill small ships with it. EAT IT! When did I say we're doing that? Link me. Please. And if you link me to Zuluparks blog, read it again, and try to notice this time that it was a suggestion, an idea, and we wanted feedback. I'm signing off the forums for today. But like I said earlier, things are cooling down so expect to see us more on the forums. My apologies, if thats only an idea. BAD idea , bad ! :) Just think from the perspective of space arms race, what race would invest into a capital ship that does a job that a regular battleship can do. When confused always reference reality. Carriers are uber YES but they are vulnerable to subs and can be easily destroyed if enemy closes range. Maybe reduce its tanking and logistics ability while boosting firepower. Its a fleet ship of doom, let it stay that way. Sorry for being a crybaby, I'm bored
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:20:00 - [88] This is quite possibly the best thread I've read this year. So many irritating little questions cleared up. 10/10. While we're discussing drone ships, whats the thinking behind the Eos changes? I've not done any hard maths on it, but at first glance it appears that it's overpowered damage (and it was definitely that) is being fixed by reducing drone firepower....while leaving its turret bonuses intact. Which obviously massively irks me as a drone specialist- it's one of relatively few high-end drone ships (along with the Domi and the Ishtar, and maybe the Myrm if you're generous), and it's being dragged further and further in to turret land. Wouldn't it make more sense to leave it's drones where they are (at max 5x unbonused heavys, that still only puts it at around two thirds as powerful as a Domi's bonused drones) and nerf it's turrets instead? Either that or completely redesign the ship without the "CreoDron" label and make it a standard "hybrids+drones" Gallente design from a less specific manufacturer. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:20:00 - [89] Originally by: punnani My apologies, if thats only an idea. BAD idea , bad ! :) Just think from the perspective of space arms race, what race would invest into a capital ship that does a job that a regular battleship can do. When confused always reference reality. Carriers are uber YES but they are vulnerable to subs and can be easily destroyed if enemy closes range. Maybe reduce its tanking and logistics ability while boosting firepower. Its a fleet ship of doom, let it stay that way. Sorry for being a crybaby, I'm bored That's in real life, and EVE is not real life. Carriers will do whatever the hell developers want them to do, end of story. And if you thought this was a bad idea, why didn't you come up with a solution and post it in the feedback thread, where the developers will actually take it into consideration? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare
Necrologic Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:22:00 - [90] Keep up the good work Nozh. Speaking as a player who has written lengthy whines on game balance points in the past i think you are doing an excellent job with these changes and a lot of people agree. Do not let uneducated concensus make you second guess your credentials. _____________________ In the arena of logic I fight unarmed.



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