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Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 17:59:00 - [31] I've lived and done missions in low sec practically since I first plugged into the pod. If you're smart, it's real easy, you make good rewards, and you never get caught. If you're not smart... well... you end up making posts like this about things like that happening to you.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:00:00 - [32] I'd invite you to come to the Drone Regions and run missions there ... but we don't have Missions in the Drone Regions. Thanks again, CCP
Tegashi	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Modrak Vseth Originally by: Tegashi This doesn't qualify as 'PvP' in my view, only making ISK since it's such a one-sided engagement. Fixed that for ya. Sometimes attacking a rich mission runner is about more then the PvP. There is always someone looknig for the easy score rather then grinding missions or rats the hard way. Please.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:02:00 - [34] Originally by: Tegashi Killing mission runners is a pretty low and dirty practice. In many cases, the odds are so stacked against the mission runner that they don't have a chance. This doesn't qualify as 'PvP' in my view, only griefing since it's such a one-sided engagement. The WoW comment makes me chuckle. The same 'PvP' douchebag mentality strongly exists there too. What pirates should do is initiate a convo, ask for permission to come into one's mission for a little bit of a tussle, then let the mission-runner form the gang, and they both agree to certain terms during the pirate's warp the the mission space. This needs to be implemented as pirate etiquette punishisble by a banning of the pirates account if broken.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:06:00 - [35] Originally by: Tarminic Then you shouldn't be in low-sec. Anywhere in EVE you risk being destroyed if you leave the hangar. Missions are no exception, and low-sec is especially risky. And what? Run missions in high sec where the players invading missions and stealing salvage tell you to go to low-sec if you want to be able to fight back? Give me a break. And for the obvious braindead retort (not directed specifically at you Tarm): "Fly in a PvP fit and do them in low sec!!!lolz!! duh nub!" Fitting for a mission and pvp at the same time doesn't work and you know it. And if you don't know it, don't talk about it. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:07:00 - [36] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Tegashi The WoW comment makes me chuckle. The same 'PvP' douchebag mentality strongly exists there too. But...but...where do they tell you to go? Here Originally by: CCP Chronotis Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:09:00 - [37] Originally by: Xaen And what? Run missions in high sec where the players invading missions and stealing salvage tell you to go to low-sec if you want to be able to fight back? Give me a break. And for the obvious braindead retort (not directed specifically at you Tarm): "Fly in a PvP fit and do them in low sec!!!lolz!! duh nub!" Fitting for a mission and pvp at the same time doesn't work and you know it. And if you don't know it, don't talk about it. Remember your other thread? It isn't "stealing" the salvage, it is intended game mechanics. And it doesn't happen if you stay out of the main mission hubs... Originally by: CCP Chronotis Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:10:00 - [38] Tegashi: Whether attacking someone who doesn't want to be attack is low is completely irrelevant. Have you even realised that EVE is a game that has non-consensual PvP as one of it's core mechanics? If you are in space, you are a valid target for anyone who wants to shoot at you. It's as simple as that. There is no where in EVE except a station that is 100% safe, and it's going to stay like that. There are many, many people in this game who don't like PvP, and avoid it completely. This is because they use their brains and make an effort instead of expecting everything to be given to them. WoW PvPers are also irrelevant. At least there the carebears have some semblance of a valid argument, because it's not a game that claims non-consensual PvP is one of it's core mechanics. If you don't like that in EVE, then no one is forcing you to play. Overused? Yes. But it's the truth. EVE is EVE, and you either have to accept that and work around it, or go somewhere else. --- MOZO
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:10:00 - [39] Originally by: Xaen And what? Run missions in high sec where the players invading missions and stealing salvage tell you to go to low-sec if you want to be able to fight back? Give me a break. And for the obvious braindead retort (not directed specifically at you Tarm): "Fly in a PvP fit and do them in low sec!!!lolz!! duh nub!" Yes, if you don't want to get your ship blown up, then stay in high sec, with their nothing rewards, and deal with the fact that people out there just like to grief you by stealing your salvage for giggles. OR... you could get out of the giant mission hub and find a less populated place where that thing doesn't happen. Motsu is not your friend. And you clearly know nothing of running missions in low-sec, so don't even comment on them until you've done them. You absolutely don't need a PvP fit. So hush unless you know what you're talking about, Nubenstein.
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:11:00 - [40] Originally by: Tegashi Killing mission runners is a pretty low and dirty practice. In many cases, the odds are so stacked against the mission runner that they don't have a chance. This doesn't qualify as 'PvP' in my view, only griefing since it's such a one-sided engagement. Killing mission rats is a pretty low and dirty practice. In many cases, the odds are so stacked in favour of the mission runner that they don't have a chance of losing. This doesn't qualify as 'a game' in my view, since it's such a one-sided engagement. Originally by: Modrak Vseth Good thing they're not raising us then. I know I treat my customers at work the same way I treat my kids. I should hope you don't, there are laws against that kind of thing. _____________________________________________ My Wishlist

Grunanca Fusion Mercenaries The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:15:00 - [41] Originally by: Mambo Ted Why did someone think this was a good idea?? I'm doing a Level 4 mission 'Enemies Abound' (tricky enough as it is) i notice reds in system and go to station to wait for them to bugger off. Meanwhile they've probed out the spot and finished it off and taken what i needed to complete it. So now i've lost standing and a very lucrative mission. Ace. That was fun. The excitment never ends. If your doing a mission you should be undiscoverable to PvPrs. Dunno if this has been mentioned yet, but would you then come cry when pirates took L1 missions in the system to be invincible while probing you down? I would say this is the worst idea ever since the guy wanting a necromancer skill in EVE.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:15:00 - [42] Originally by: SN3263827 Killing mission rats is a pretty low and dirty practice. In many cases, the odds are so stacked in favour of the mission runner that they don't have a chance of losing. This doesn't qualify as 'a game' in my view, since it's such a one-sided engagement. QFMTF. Keeping in mind, I'm a non-whining, smart, adapting low-sec mission runner, I fully endorse being able to scan down people in missions, salvage their stuff, and blow them up. It keeps things interesting, and in this age of nerfs, one of the few things that keeps me in this game.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:16:00 - [43] Originally by: Grunanca I would say this is the worst idea ever since the guy wanting a necromancer skill in EVE. Dude... Skelemancer with 30 Skeletons. D2 for the win.
Modrak Vseth Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:22:00 - [44] Originally by: Tegashi Originally by: Modrak Vseth Originally by: Tegashi This doesn't qualify as 'PvP' in my view, only making ISK since it's such a one-sided engagement. Fixed that for ya. Sometimes attacking a rich mission runner is about more then the PvP. There is always someone looknig for the easy score rather then grinding missions or rats the hard way. Please. Grinding missions and rats the hard way? Are you doing level 4s in a Rifter or something?
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:25:00 - [45] Originally by: Modrak Vseth Originally by: Tegashi Originally by: Modrak Vseth Originally by: Tegashi This doesn't qualify as 'PvP' in my view, only making ISK since it's such a one-sided engagement. Fixed that for ya. Sometimes attacking a rich mission runner is about more then the PvP. There is always someone looknig for the easy score rather then grinding missions or rats the hard way. Please. Grinding missions and rats the hard way? Are you doing level 4s in a Rifter or something? Sounds great. Because I have to say, there is nothing hard about grinding missions. It is, however, incredibly boring. --- MOZO
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:25:00 - [46] Originally by: Modrak Vseth There is always someone looknig for the easy score rather then grinding missions or rats the hard way. Please. Grinding missions and rats the hard way? Are you doing level 4s in a Rifter or something? Work smart, not hard, I say. Working smart usually means taking someone else's stuff. I fully endorse that product and/or service.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:25:00 - [47] Originally by: Princess Jodi I'd invite you to come to the Drone Regions and run missions there ... but we don't have Missions in the Drone Regions. Thanks again, CCP An example of a rogue drone mission: Originally by: Title 01000010 01110010 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01101101 01100101 00100000 01000011 01111001 01100010 01100101 01110010 00101101 01000010 01100101 01100101 01110010 Originally by: Description 01001101 01111001 00100000 01100100 01101001 01101111 01100100 01100101 01110011 00100000 01110100 01101000 01101001 01110010 01110011 01110100 00100000 01100110 01101111 01110010 00100000 01110010 01100101 01100011 01110010 01100101 01100001 01110100 01101001 01101111 01101110 01100001 01101100 00100000 01100110 01101100 01110101 01101001 01100100 01110011 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01100100 01101001 01110011 01110100 01110010 01100001 01100011 01110100 00100000 01100110 01110010 01101111 01101101 00100000 01110010 01100101 01110000 01100101 01110100 01100001 01110100 01101001 01110110 01100101 00100000 01100011 01111001 01100010 01100101 01110010 00101101 01101110 01100101 01110101 01110010 01100001 01101100 00100000 01100110 01101001 01110010 01101001 01101110 01100111 01110011 00100000 01100001 01110011 01110011 01101111 01100011 01101001 01100001 01110100 01100101 01100100 00100000 01110111 01101001 01110100 01101000 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01110010 01101111 01101100 01100101 00100000 01001001 00100000 01101101 01110101 01110011 01110100 00100000 01100110 01110101 01101100 01100110 01101001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 01101101 01111001 00100000 01101111 01100010 01101100 01101001 01100111 01100001 01110100 01101001 01101111 01101110 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01110010 01101111 01100111 01110101 01100101 00100000 01100100 01110010 01101111 01101110 01100101 00100000 01110011 01101111 01100011 01101001 01100101 01110100 01111001 00101110 00100000 01001001 00100000 01110010 01100101 01110001 01110101 01101001 01110010 01100101 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01101111 01100010 01110100 01100001 01101001 01101110 00100000 01110100 01101000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110010 01100101 01100011 01110010 01100101 01100001 01110100 01101001 01101111 01101110 01100001 01101100 00100000 01100110 01101100 01110101 01101001 01100100 00100000 01100110 01101111 01110010 00100000 01101101 01100101 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 01100001 00100000 01110100 01101001 01101101 01100101 01101100 01111001 00100000 01100110 01100001 01110011 01101000 01101001 01101111 01101110 00101110 Originally by: Reward 01011001 01101111 01110101 01110010 00100000 01100011 01101111 01101110 01110100 01101001 01101110 01110101 01100101 01100100 00100000 01100101 01111000 01101001 01110011 01110100 01100001 01101110 01100011 01100101 00101100 00100000 01100001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01100001 00100000 01110011 01101001 01101110 01100111 01101100 01100101 00100000 00100010 01000101 01101100 01101001 01110100 01100101 00100000 01000100 01110010 01101111 01101110 01100101 00100000 01000001 01001001 00100010 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100000 01001001 00100000 01101000 01100001 01110110 01100101 00100000 01101100 01111001 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01100001 01110010 01101111 01110101 01101110 01100100 00101110 ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare
Cailais Amarr W A R	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:27:00 - [48] Originally by: Vitrael Edited by: Vitrael on 07/11/2007 17:42:41 Originally by: Mamba Lev Edited by: Mamba Lev on 07/11/2007 17:10:11 No that would create a situation when running a mission your immune to PvPers. Are you thick? Oh and pirates don't get an opinion on this. Nice easy griefing for them though it is... Congratulations on responding in your alt post thread and revealing your main. CVA pigdog. So basically you want great reward with no risk? I think you wanted this. Correct me if Im mistaken here, but don't CVA hold a reasonable area of 0.0 space. Assuming thats the case then isnt the OPs post riddled with hypocrisy: its ok to other blow people up in 0.0 / low sec - but it shouldn't happen to me! Pathetic. C. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
Empyre Domestic Reform Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:30:00 - [49] 1. Start a (free) trial account. 2. Create alt character. 3. Load alt in on second copy of client. 4. Park alt at mission area entrance as you mission. If hostiles come in, dock and log while watching with alt. (Mission areas despawn still when you log, right?) When hostiles leave, log back in and continue. Or just do missions in high-sec. Please stop messing with my signature!!!
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:36:00 - [50] Originally by: Angel DeMorphis So, you gave them enough time to probe you and your mission out before leaving it? Doesn't sound like Eve's problem.... you realize your mission being scannable has nothing to do with if you are in it or not, right? stfu with your faux knowledge _____________________ Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.

Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:38:00 - [51] Originally by: Seeing EyeDog you realize your mission being scannable has nothing to do with if you are in it or not, right? stfu with your faux knowledge If your ship isn't in it, there's not anything left in there for the probes to lock onto. Unless, of course, you leave your drones in there like a muppet.
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:45:00 - [52] Muppets are awesome. --- MOZO
Neal Cassady Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:46:00 - [53] pretty lame troll. you didnt even lose a ship. next time please lose a ship or pay too high a ransom or SOMETHING! if probing mission runners is easy why don't you do it? Signature Your signature exceeds the 24000 byte limit allowed on the forums. -Darth Patches
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:50:00 - [54] Disrupting a mission SHOULD incur a standing hit towards the mission agent's corp, and killing a person on a mission should put an even bigger one on that (only at the mission site however). --------------------------------- Thorax type R&R. (Ribbed and R rated)
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Originally by: Grunanca I would say this is the worst idea ever since the guy wanting a necromancer skill in EVE. Dude... Skelemancer with 30 Skeletons. D2 for the win. WW-trickster barb FTW. -Borai -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Cold Sleeper	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:50:00 - [56] Originally by: Mambo Ted Why did someone think this was a good idea?? I'm doing a Level 4 mission 'Enemies Abound' (tricky enough as it is) i notice reds in system and go to station to wait for them to bugger off. Meanwhile they've probed out the spot and finished it off and taken what i needed to complete it. So now i've lost standing and a very lucrative mission. Here is an idea, next time you go to run a mission just bring me along and I will lend a helping gun Educating the Eve players, one merchant at a time
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:53:00 - [57] Originally by: Xaen WW-trickster barb FTW. -Borai You know, I never, ever played a Barb. I had a mean Lightning Sorc, though.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:54:00 - [58] Originally by: Empyre 1. Start a (free) trial account. 2. Create alt character. 3. Load alt in on second copy of client. 4. Park alt at mission area entrance as you mission. If hostiles come in, dock and log while watching with alt. (Mission areas despawn still when you log, right?) When hostiles leave, log back in and continue. Or just do missions in high-sec. I applaud your attempt at an actual suggestion rather than trolling. However, Missions do not despawn when you log. Hostiles will not just leave, they'll break your mission so you cannot complete it. Running missions in high sec has it's own problems. (No recourse against salvage thieves.) -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:57:00 - [59] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Originally by: Xaen WW-trickster barb FTW. -Borai You know, I never, ever played a Barb. I had a mean Lightning Sorc, though. [epeen]My lvl 97 Ladder barb (Borai) was rated #1 PvP barb on USEast Ladder.[/epeen] -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:59:00 - [60] Originally by: Asestorian Salvage doesn't belong to anyone, so it cannot be stolen Weird, the wrecks have my corp tag on them. Only I can tractor them. Anyone else blowing them up will get a visit from CONCORD in highsec.... -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes



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