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Mambo Ted
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:07:00 -
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Why did someone think this was a good idea??
I'm doing a Level 4 mission 'Enemies Abound' (tricky enough as it is) i notice reds in system and go to station to wait for them to bugger off. Meanwhile they've probed out the spot and finished it off and taken what i needed to complete it. So now i've lost standing and a very lucrative mission.
Ace. That was fun. The excitment never ends.
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Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Mambo Ted
If your doing a mission you should be undiscoverable to PvPrs.
No, you really shouldn't.
That would create a situation where you are immune to PvP outside a station. That is against the rules of EVE.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mambo Ted
If your doing a mission you should be undiscoverable to PvPrs.
I disagree.
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Mamba Lev
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Mamba Lev on 07/11/2007 17:10:11
No that would create a situation when running a mission your immune to PvPers. Are you thick?
Oh and pirates don't get an opinion on this. Nice easy griefing for them though it is...
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:10:00 -
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uh you could just wait until after downtiem when the mission resets?
seriously though, this is a 1/10 on the troll scale, next time put some thought into it
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44
*EDIT* You know what, Tortun has this one under control...*
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Angel DeMorphis
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mambo Ted
Why did someone think this was a good idea??
I'm doing a Level 4 mission 'Enemies Abound' (tricky enough as it is) i notice reds in system and go to station to wait for them to bugger off. Meanwhile they've probed out the spot and finished it off and taken what i needed to complete it. So now i've lost standing and a very lucrative mission.
Ace. That was fun. The excitment never ends.
If your doing a mission you should be undiscoverable to PvPrs.
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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:11:00 -
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At least you did the right thing docking and not whining about dieing if you didn't.
Downside is you need to get some friends to help you kill the reds. It is a multiplayer game with a lot of people playing, so being on a team of 1 isn't so great.
Having said that, grats for having guts to mission in low sec (assuming it was). Most ppl stubbornly refuse to believe you can more make profit low sec missioning
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Mambo Ted
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:14:00 -
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I checked with a shuttle and didn't lose a thing and it was 0.1.
Just agreveating losing your screen to the local window stretched out so i can see it all worrying about PvP when i want to be running missions. If i want the risk of dieing while PvEing i'll go Rat... |
Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mambo Ted
I checked with a shuttle and didn't lose a thing and it was 0.1.
Just agreveating losing your screen to the local window stretched out so i can see it all worrying about PvP when i want to be running missions. If i want the risk of dieing while PvEing i'll go Rat...
Then you shouldn't be in low-sec. Anywhere in EVE you risk being destroyed if you leave the hangar. Missions are no exception, and low-sec is especially risky.
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Martin Mckenna
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mambo Ted
If your doing a mission you should be undiscoverable to PvPrs.
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Sasha Sen
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Having said that, grats for having guts to mission in low sec (assuming it was). Most ppl stubbornly refuse to believe you can more make profit low sec missioning
It is not very profitable when you have to dock because reds came in the system. Sure rewards are better, but you also spend most of the time trying to avoid gankers while in high sec you get it done and move on to the next one. Time vs Reward
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Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mambo Ted
If i want the risk of dieing while PvEing i'll go Rat...
This is a basic principle of EVE. For more reward you're supposed to take more risks. Low sec is considered a bit broken on this scale at the moment, but agents there give better rewards than those in high sec. To counter this you take the risk of being killed by someone.
High sec is about as safe as it gets. You will always have the risk of being attacked by someone in EVE, no matter where you are. The only exception is when you are docked. It will never change, it's just how it is.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sasha Sen
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Having said that, grats for having guts to mission in low sec (assuming it was). Most ppl stubbornly refuse to believe you can more make profit low sec missioning
It is not very profitable when you have to dock because reds came in the system. Sure rewards are better, but you also spend most of the time trying to avoid gankers while in high sec you get it done and move on to the next one. Time vs Reward
Unless you're smart about it and just find an unpopulated system, like I have. 
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Sasha Sen
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Sasha Sen
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Having said that, grats for having guts to mission in low sec (assuming it was). Most ppl stubbornly refuse to believe you can more make profit low sec missioning
It is not very profitable when you have to dock because reds came in the system. Sure rewards are better, but you also spend most of the time trying to avoid gankers while in high sec you get it done and move on to the next one. Time vs Reward
Unless you're smart about it and just find an unpopulated system, like I have.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sasha Sen
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Sasha Sen
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Having said that, grats for having guts to mission in low sec (assuming it was). Most ppl stubbornly refuse to believe you can more make profit low sec missioning
It is not very profitable when you have to dock because reds came in the system. Sure rewards are better, but you also spend most of the time trying to avoid gankers while in high sec you get it done and move on to the next one. Time vs Reward
Unless you're smart about it and just find an unpopulated system, like I have.
be my friend and share your secrets
Yeah, you just want to "probe" tarminic 
Seriously though, this is how it's been for a while, and probably will be. As they say, nothing is safe, except 0.5 and higher...almost 
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sasha Sen
be my friend and share your secrets
If you search my forum posts, you'll find that I have actually publicly announced my residence several times. You can also use a locater agent to track me down if you feel like it.
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:38:00 -
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It is already very time-consuming to probe down mission runners, and there are things you can do to make it even harder.
Find out what they are, do them.
Or run and hide in high sec like a good little state-puppet should
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mamba Lev
Edited by: Mamba Lev on 07/11/2007 17:10:11
No that would create a situation when running a mission your immune to PvPers. Are you thick?
Oh and pirates don't get an opinion on this. Nice easy griefing for them though it is...
ehh all it does is making you stay in high sec running the missions..
and the fact that you can (don't know if you still can) probe people in high sec, and attack them without getting concorded is laughable and idiotic beyond believe.
when that is said i would call it harashment to jump in and take the item that is required to complete the mission.
although in eve it seems the gm's/devs or whoever sets the rules have their heads so far up their asses that they do not realize that attitude comes with consequence, and i really hope that these people do not have children and if they have that they do actually attend to them with another approach then what they are bringing to eve, or we will just have one more person in the world that is a wasted of air and which we would have been better of without.
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Vitrael
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Vitrael on 07/11/2007 17:42:41
Originally by: Mamba Lev
Edited by: Mamba Lev on 07/11/2007 17:10:11
No that would create a situation when running a mission your immune to PvPers. Are you thick?
Oh and pirates don't get an opinion on this. Nice easy griefing for them though it is...
Congratulations on responding in your alt post thread and revealing your main. CVA pigdog.
So basically you want great reward with no risk? I think you wanted this.
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Buyerr
and the fact that you can (don't know if you still can) probe people in high sec, and attack them without getting concorded is laughable and idiotic beyond believe.
You never could, you still can't.
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Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Vitrael
Originally by: Mamba Lev
Edited by: Mamba Lev on 07/11/2007 17:10:11
No that would create a situation when running a mission your immune to PvPers. Are you thick?
Oh and pirates don't get an opinion on this. Nice easy griefing for them though it is...
Congratulations on responding in your alt post thread and revealing your main. CVA pigdog.
What. The. ****.
The CVA guy is disagreeing with the OP. Unless he does in fact have split personalities why would he flame himself?
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian
The CVA guy is disagreeing with the OP. Unless he does in fact have split personalities why would he flame himself?
No, he's disagreeing with you.
You said "it will create a situation where you are immune outside a station..."
He said "no, it will create a situation where you are immune in a mission..."
He is clearly disagreeing with you.
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Vitrael
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian
What. The. ****.
Incorrect, the CVA post was responding to you, which is why he copied your sentence structure and then said "pirates don't have an opinion in this..."
Also if you want to tell me that "Mambo Ted" and "Mombo Lev" sympathizing with one another in the same thread are not alts...
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Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:48:00 -
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Hmmmm....
I clearly misinterpreted what he was saying. Ok, sorry, I was wrong. Don't hurt me 
However, I am right with what I said before. If you're in a mission you are still outside a station, and if you are immune to PvP in that mission you are still immune to PvP outside a station, which is against the rules of EVE.
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Vitrael
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:49:00 -
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Oh, I agree with you, which is why I am so amused that the OP is the alt of a CVA pilot.
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Modrak Vseth
Veto. Academy
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:51:00 -
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It already is difficult to get a mission runner. You have to be rediculously close to have even a fair chance of getting a hit on them in deadspace (especially if they're not using drones). If the pirate gang doesn't have a prober with them then you're completely safe from them anyway. Then, if they DO get into your mission they have to hope they can burn to you fast enough to get a point or that you're close to the entry gate because they can't use MWDs in the deadspace.
If these advantages aren't enough for you, then you really need to run your missions in highsec. People will still be able to probe you out and steal your objective, but at least they won't be able to kill you...
Originally by: Buyerr
although in eve it seems the gm's/devs or whoever sets the rules have their heads so far up their asses that they do not realize that attitude comes with consequence, and i really hope that these people do not have children and if they have that they do actually attend to them with another approach then what they are bringing to eve, or we will just have one more person in the world that is a wasted of air and which we would have been better of without.
Good thing they're not raising us then. I know I treat my customers at work the same way I treat my kids. 
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Tegashi
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:52:00 -
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Killing mission runners is a pretty low and dirty practice. In many cases, the odds are so stacked against the mission runner that they don't have a chance. This doesn't qualify as 'PvP' in my view, only griefing since it's such a one-sided engagement.
The WoW comment makes me chuckle. The same 'PvP' douchebag mentality strongly exists there too.
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Kraven Kor
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:54:00 -
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The OP is looking at this as a tragic loss of money, when he should be looking at it as an amazing opportunity.
With the right plan and a little luck, you could add those reds to the pile of wrecks you will loot and salvage at the end of the mission. (Did you know that player ships have cooler salvage and occasionally drop T2 modules?)
They will probably leave you to your missions once you kill them a sufficient amount of times.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Tegashi
The WoW comment makes me chuckle. The same 'PvP' douchebag mentality strongly exists there too.
But...but...where do they tell you to go? 
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Tegashi
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Tegashi
The WoW comment makes me chuckle. The same 'PvP' douchebag mentality strongly exists there too.
But...but...where do they tell you to go?
Heh, that's an interesting question. At the time I played, it was Guild Wars ..... Or Hello Kitty Adventure Island.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:59:00 -
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I've lived and done missions in low sec practically since I first plugged into the pod.
If you're smart, it's real easy, you make good rewards, and you never get caught.
If you're not smart... well... you end up making posts like this about things like that happening to you.
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:00:00 -
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I'd invite you to come to the Drone Regions and run missions there ...
but we don't have Missions in the Drone Regions. 
Thanks again, CCP
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Tegashi
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Modrak Vseth
Originally by: Tegashi
This doesn't qualify as 'PvP' in my view, only making ISK since it's such a one-sided engagement.
Fixed that for ya. Sometimes attacking a rich mission runner is about more then the PvP.
There is always someone looknig for the easy score rather then grinding missions or rats the hard way. Please.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tegashi
Killing mission runners is a pretty low and dirty practice. In many cases, the odds are so stacked against the mission runner that they don't have a chance. This doesn't qualify as 'PvP' in my view, only griefing since it's such a one-sided engagement.
The WoW comment makes me chuckle. The same 'PvP' douchebag mentality strongly exists there too.
What pirates should do is initiate a convo, ask for permission to come into one's mission for a little bit of a tussle, then let the mission-runner form the gang, and they both agree to certain terms during the pirate's warp the the mission space.
This needs to be implemented as pirate etiquette punishisble by a banning of the pirates account if broken.
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Xaen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Then you shouldn't be in low-sec. Anywhere in EVE you risk being destroyed if you leave the hangar. Missions are no exception, and low-sec is especially risky.
And what? Run missions in high sec where the players invading missions and stealing salvage tell you to go to low-sec if you want to be able to fight back?
Give me a break.
And for the obvious braindead retort (not directed specifically at you Tarm): "Fly in a PvP fit and do them in low sec!!!lolz!! duh nub!"
Fitting for a mission and pvp at the same time doesn't work and you know it. And if you don't know it, don't talk about it.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Tegashi
The WoW comment makes me chuckle. The same 'PvP' douchebag mentality strongly exists there too.
But...but...where do they tell you to go?
Here
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
And what? Run missions in high sec where the players invading missions and stealing salvage tell you to go to low-sec if you want to be able to fight back?
Give me a break.
And for the obvious braindead retort (not directed specifically at you Tarm): "Fly in a PvP fit and do them in low sec!!!lolz!! duh nub!"
Fitting for a mission and pvp at the same time doesn't work and you know it. And if you don't know it, don't talk about it.
Remember your other thread? It isn't "stealing" the salvage, it is intended game mechanics.
And it doesn't happen if you stay out of the main mission hubs...
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
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Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:10:00 -
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Tegashi:
Whether attacking someone who doesn't want to be attack is low is completely irrelevant. Have you even realised that EVE is a game that has non-consensual PvP as one of it's core mechanics? If you are in space, you are a valid target for anyone who wants to shoot at you. It's as simple as that. There is no where in EVE except a station that is 100% safe, and it's going to stay like that.
There are many, many people in this game who don't like PvP, and avoid it completely. This is because they use their brains and make an effort instead of expecting everything to be given to them.
WoW PvPers are also irrelevant. At least there the carebears have some semblance of a valid argument, because it's not a game that claims non-consensual PvP is one of it's core mechanics.
If you don't like that in EVE, then no one is forcing you to play. Overused? Yes. But it's the truth. EVE is EVE, and you either have to accept that and work around it, or go somewhere else.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
And what? Run missions in high sec where the players invading missions and stealing salvage tell you to go to low-sec if you want to be able to fight back?
Give me a break.
And for the obvious braindead retort (not directed specifically at you Tarm): "Fly in a PvP fit and do them in low sec!!!lolz!! duh nub!"
Yes, if you don't want to get your ship blown up, then stay in high sec, with their nothing rewards, and deal with the fact that people out there just like to grief you by stealing your salvage for giggles.
OR... you could get out of the giant mission hub and find a less populated place where that thing doesn't happen. Motsu is not your friend.
And you clearly know nothing of running missions in low-sec, so don't even comment on them until you've done them.
You absolutely don't need a PvP fit.
So hush unless you know what you're talking about, Nubenstein.
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tegashi
Killing mission runners is a pretty low and dirty practice. In many cases, the odds are so stacked against the mission runner that they don't have a chance. This doesn't qualify as 'PvP' in my view, only griefing since it's such a one-sided engagement.
Killing mission rats is a pretty low and dirty practice. In many cases, the odds are so stacked in favour of the mission runner that they don't have a chance of losing. This doesn't qualify as 'a game' in my view, since it's such a one-sided engagement.
Originally by: Modrak Vseth
Good thing they're not raising us then. I know I treat my customers at work the same way I treat my kids.
I should hope you don't, there are laws against that kind of thing.
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Grunanca
Fusion Mercenaries
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mambo Ted
Why did someone think this was a good idea??
I'm doing a Level 4 mission 'Enemies Abound' (tricky enough as it is) i notice reds in system and go to station to wait for them to bugger off. Meanwhile they've probed out the spot and finished it off and taken what i needed to complete it. So now i've lost standing and a very lucrative mission.
Ace. That was fun. The excitment never ends.
If your doing a mission you should be undiscoverable to PvPrs.
Dunno if this has been mentioned yet, but would you then come cry when pirates took L1 missions in the system to be invincible while probing you down? I would say this is the worst idea ever since the guy wanting a necromancer skill in EVE.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: SN3263827
Killing mission rats is a pretty low and dirty practice. In many cases, the odds are so stacked in favour of the mission runner that they don't have a chance of losing. This doesn't qualify as 'a game' in my view, since it's such a one-sided engagement.
QFMTF.
Keeping in mind, I'm a non-whining, smart, adapting low-sec mission runner, I fully endorse being able to scan down people in missions, salvage their stuff, and blow them up.
It keeps things interesting, and in this age of nerfs, one of the few things that keeps me in this game.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Grunanca
I would say this is the worst idea ever since the guy wanting a necromancer skill in EVE.
Dude...
Skelemancer with 30 Skeletons.
D2 for the win.
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Modrak Vseth
Veto. Academy
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tegashi
Originally by: Modrak Vseth
Originally by: Tegashi
This doesn't qualify as 'PvP' in my view, only making ISK since it's such a one-sided engagement.
Fixed that for ya. Sometimes attacking a rich mission runner is about more then the PvP.
There is always someone looknig for the easy score rather then grinding missions or rats the hard way. Please.
Grinding missions and rats the hard way?  Are you doing level 4s in a Rifter or something?
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Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Modrak Vseth
Originally by: Tegashi
Originally by: Modrak Vseth
Originally by: Tegashi
This doesn't qualify as 'PvP' in my view, only making ISK since it's such a one-sided engagement.
Fixed that for ya. Sometimes attacking a rich mission runner is about more then the PvP.
There is always someone looknig for the easy score rather then grinding missions or rats the hard way. Please.
Grinding missions and rats the hard way? Are you doing level 4s in a Rifter or something?
Sounds great. Because I have to say, there is nothing hard about grinding missions.
It is, however, incredibly boring.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Modrak Vseth
There is always someone looknig for the easy score rather then grinding missions or rats the hard way. Please.
Grinding missions and rats the hard way? Are you doing level 4s in a Rifter or something?
Work smart, not hard, I say.
Working smart usually means taking someone else's stuff.
I fully endorse that product and/or service.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Jodi
I'd invite you to come to the Drone Regions and run missions there ...
but we don't have Missions in the Drone Regions.
Thanks again, CCP
An example of a rogue drone mission:
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Originally by: Vitrael
Edited by: Vitrael on 07/11/2007 17:42:41
Originally by: Mamba Lev
Edited by: Mamba Lev on 07/11/2007 17:10:11
No that would create a situation when running a mission your immune to PvPers. Are you thick?
Oh and pirates don't get an opinion on this. Nice easy griefing for them though it is...
Congratulations on responding in your alt post thread and revealing your main. CVA pigdog.
So basically you want great reward with no risk? I think you wanted this.
Correct me if Im mistaken here, but don't CVA hold a reasonable area of 0.0 space. Assuming thats the case then isnt the OPs post riddled with hypocrisy: its ok to other blow people up in 0.0 / low sec - but it shouldn't happen to me!
Pathetic.
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:30:00 -
[49]
1. Start a (free) trial account.
2. Create alt character.
3. Load alt in on second copy of client.
4. Park alt at mission area entrance as you mission.
If hostiles come in, dock and log while watching with alt. (Mission areas despawn still when you log, right?) When hostiles leave, log back in and continue.
Or just do missions in high-sec.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:36:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Angel DeMorphis
So, you gave them enough time to probe you and your mission out before leaving it? Doesn't sound like Eve's problem....
you realize your mission being scannable has nothing to do with if you are in it or not, right? stfu with your faux knowledge
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
you realize your mission being scannable has nothing to do with if you are in it or not, right? stfu with your faux knowledge
If your ship isn't in it, there's not anything left in there for the probes to lock onto.
Unless, of course, you leave your drones in there like a muppet.
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Domination.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:45:00 -
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Muppets are awesome.
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Neal Cassady
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:46:00 -
[53]
pretty lame troll. you didnt even lose a ship. next time please lose a ship or pay too high a ransom or SOMETHING!
if probing mission runners is easy why don't you do it?
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Arana Tellen
Gallente
The Blackguard Wolves
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:50:00 -
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Disrupting a mission SHOULD incur a standing hit towards the mission agent's corp, and killing a person on a mission should put an even bigger one on that (only at the mission site however).
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:50:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Originally by: Grunanca
I would say this is the worst idea ever since the guy wanting a necromancer skill in EVE.
Dude...
Skelemancer with 30 Skeletons.
D2 for the win.
WW-trickster barb FTW.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:50:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Mambo Ted
Why did someone think this was a good idea??
I'm doing a Level 4 mission 'Enemies Abound' (tricky enough as it is) i notice reds in system and go to station to wait for them to bugger off. Meanwhile they've probed out the spot and finished it off and taken what i needed to complete it. So now i've lost standing and a very lucrative mission.
Here is an idea, next time you go to run a mission just bring me along and I will lend a helping gun 
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Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:53:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Xaen
WW-trickster barb FTW.
-Borai
You know, I never, ever played a Barb.
I had a mean Lightning Sorc, though.
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Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:54:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Empyre
1. Start a (free) trial account.
2. Create alt character.
3. Load alt in on second copy of client.
4. Park alt at mission area entrance as you mission.
If hostiles come in, dock and log while watching with alt. (Mission areas despawn still when you log, right?) When hostiles leave, log back in and continue.
Or just do missions in high-sec.
I applaud your attempt at an actual suggestion rather than trolling.
However, Missions do not despawn when you log. Hostiles will not just leave, they'll break your mission so you cannot complete it.
Running missions in high sec has it's own problems. (No recourse against salvage thieves.)
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Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:57:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Originally by: Xaen
WW-trickster barb FTW.
-Borai
You know, I never, ever played a Barb.
I had a mean Lightning Sorc, though.
[epeen]My lvl 97 Ladder barb (Borai) was rated #1 PvP barb on USEast Ladder.[/epeen]
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Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:59:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Asestorian
Salvage doesn't belong to anyone, so it cannot be stolen 
Weird, the wrecks have my corp tag on them. Only I can tractor them. Anyone else blowing them up will get a visit from CONCORD in highsec....
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Veto. Academy
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:04:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Asestorian
Salvage doesn't belong to anyone, so it cannot be stolen
Weird, the wrecks have my corp tag on them. Only I can tractor them. Anyone else blowing them up will get a visit from CONCORD in highsec....
That's because the can INSIDE the wreckage belongs to you, not the wreckage itself. That's for a totally different topic though...
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:04:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Asestorian
Salvage doesn't belong to anyone, so it cannot be stolen
Weird, the wrecks have my corp tag on them. Only I can tractor them. Anyone else blowing them up will get a visit from CONCORD in highsec....
Of course.
Can you imagine how much you'd cry and whine if your loot along with salvage was getting hilariously yoinked by opportunists?
I wouldn't want that if I were CCP, either.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:05:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
uh you could just wait until after downtiem when the mission resets?
seriously though, this is a 1/10 on the troll scale, next time put some thought into it
Mission completed (and failed) it will not reset.
It would have been nice for the pirates to ransom the target item, but probably it was not worth it for them.
An no, it is part of the balance of EVE, missions sites should not be invulnerable. At the same time the interlopers in the mission should not be totally disregarded by the rats.
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Elendar
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:06:00 -
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Lowsec rewards come with lowsec risks. thats why there are extra rewards for lowsec.
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Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:07:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Mission completed (and failed) it will not reset.
It would have been nice for the pirates to ransom the target item, but probably it was not worth it for them.
An no, it is part of the balance of EVE, missions sites should not be invulnerable. At the same time the interlopers in the mission should not be totally disregarded by the rats.
They're not.
If the mission runner doesn't have full aggro, the rats will turn on the interlopers if they stray to close.
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Asilah Na'kani
Gallente
Elemental Fusion
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mambo Ted
If your doing a mission you should be undiscoverable to PvPrs.
No.
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Turin
Caldari
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:35:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Mambo Ted
Why did someone think this was a good idea??
I'm doing a Level 4 mission 'Enemies Abound' (tricky enough as it is) i notice reds in system and go to station to wait for them to bugger off. Meanwhile they've probed out the spot and finished it off and taken what i needed to complete it. So now i've lost standing and a very lucrative mission.
Ace. That was fun. The excitment never ends.
If your doing a mission you should be undiscoverable to PvPrs.
all I can say is LOL. Eve is meant to be a cold harsh place where death can come anywhere. THat is a part of the game you either can accept or you cant. If you cant, then EVE is not for you and I would suggest another game where non consenual PVP does not occour.
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Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Empyre
1. Start a (free) trial account.
2. Create alt character.
3. Load alt in on second copy of client.
4. Park alt at mission area entrance as you mission.
If hostiles come in, dock and log while watching with alt. (Mission areas despawn still when you log, right?) When hostiles leave, log back in and continue.
Or just do missions in high-sec.
Never done that. Where you have got that strange idea?
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Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:43:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Asestorian
Originally by: Mambo Ted
If your doing a mission you should be undiscoverable to PvPrs.
No, you really shouldn't.
That would create a situation where you are immune to PvP outside a station. That is against the rules of EVE.
You shouldn't be immune to PvP, period. Not if you're doing a mission, not if you're just trying to pass through and not even if you're in empire. That said, someone flying into your mission and grabbing the unique item you need to complete it is a serious problem, especially in empire where you can't shoot the ******* until he grabs it and then you've got all of 5 seconds to kill him before he warps off.
This needs to be addressed somehow particularly in empire where I've experienced people doing it purely to grief others. Mission specific items should only be able to be taken by the mission's owner and his gang and corpmates. The mission runner can still be scanned down, killed and have all his loot and wrecks stolen but you can't make it impossible to complete the mission. Problem solved.
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Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:45:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Mission completed (and failed) it will not reset.
It would have been nice for the pirates to ransom the target item, but probably it was not worth it for them.
An no, it is part of the balance of EVE, missions sites should not be invulnerable. At the same time the interlopers in the mission should not be totally disregarded by the rats.
They're not.
If the mission runner doesn't have full aggro, the rats will turn on the interlopers if they stray to close.
Happen what 1 time on 100? A bit more with the more recent missions, but still very rarely.
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Minmatar
The Mavericks
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian
Originally by: Mambo Ted
If your doing a mission you should be undiscoverable to PvPrs.
No, you really shouldn't.
That would create a situation where you are immune to PvP outside a station. That is against the rules of EVE.
Step 1: Fit a cloak
Step 2: Press F1
You are now immune to pvp outside a station. Obviously it is not against the rules.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:59:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Minerva Vulcan on 07/11/2007 19:59:16
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Happen what 1 time on 100? A bit more with the more recent missions, but still very rarely.
Mission rats aren't your bodyguards.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.07 20:00:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Venkul Mul on 07/11/2007 20:00:00
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Edited by: Minerva Vulcan on 07/11/2007 19:59:16
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Happen what 1 time on 100? A bit more with the more recent missions, but still very rarely.
Mission rats aren't your bodyguards.
Not the pirate helpers.
But helping the pirates is exactly what they do.
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Isentro
Pyrrhus Sicarii
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Martin Mckenna
Originally by: Mambo Ted
If your doing a mission you should be undiscoverable to PvPrs.
Click This.
quotin' dis if ur down!
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Amarr
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.07 20:06:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Asestorian
Originally by: Mambo Ted
If your doing a mission you should be undiscoverable to PvPrs.
No, you really shouldn't.
That would create a situation where you are immune to PvP outside a station. That is against the rules of EVE.
You shouldn't be immune to PvP, period. Not if you're doing a mission, not if you're just trying to pass through and not even if you're in empire. That said, someone flying into your mission and grabbing the unique item you need to complete it is a serious problem, especially in empire where you can't shoot the ******* until he grabs it and then you've got all of 5 seconds to kill him before he warps off.
This needs to be addressed somehow particularly in empire where I've experienced people doing it purely to grief others. Mission specific items should only be able to be taken by the mission's owner and his gang and corpmates. The mission runner can still be scanned down, killed and have all his loot and wrecks stolen but you can't make it impossible to complete the mission. Problem solved.
Turning Concord off would solve this problem and make thousands of people so much happier.
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Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.07 20:14:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Edited by: Venkul Mul on 07/11/2007 20:00:00
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Edited by: Minerva Vulcan on 07/11/2007 19:59:16
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Happen what 1 time on 100? A bit more with the more recent missions, but still very rarely.
Mission rats aren't your bodyguards.
Not the pirate helpers.
But helping the pirates is exactly what they do.
Yes, because it's the pirates that make you go and agress the rats with visions of easy ISK dancing throught your head.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 20:15:00 -
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Turning off Concord would kill the newbies coming into this game. Killing off the newbies will kill CCP's growth, and as such, EVE's growth as well.
Please, dont tell me you actually thought out your post?
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Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.11.07 20:30:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
Turning off Concord would kill the newbies coming into this game. Killing off the newbies will kill CCP's growth, and as such, EVE's growth as well.
Please, dont tell me you actually thought out your post?
Wait, you can think things out before posting?
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Posted - 2007.11.07 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
An example of a rogue drone mission:
Originally by: Title
Bring me Cyber-Beer
Originally by: Description
My diodes thirst for recreational fluids to distract from repetative cyber-neural firings associated with the role I must fulfill in my obligation to the rogue drone society. I require that you obtain this recreational fluid for me in a timely fashion.
Originally by: Reward
Your continued existance, and a single "Elite Drone AI" that I have lying around.
Well, I thought Tarminic's post was funny, even if no-one else did.
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Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.11.07 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Christari Zuborov
Turning Concord off would solve this problem and make thousands of people so much happier.
This would be financial suicide for CCP. Based on this statement I have to ask something. I mean, I'm really baffled so I must ask. Does your brain actually work?
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Posted - 2007.11.07 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
Turning off Concord would kill the newbies coming into this game. Killing off the newbies will kill CCP's growth, and as such, EVE's growth as well.
Please, dont tell me you actually thought out your post?
Wait, you can think things out before posting?
i find your post full of irony....you make me giggle.
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Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.07 20:53:00 -
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I don't have anything against concept of non consensual PvP. But.
You can setup for belt rating and PvP. If you set up for missions, you don't stand a chance in PvP. Some ships might sacrifice mids for web/scram or some E-War, but going into any mission in omnitank is... not wise. With 99% of PvE setups your only chance is running away in time, that means having a good safe, a cloak fitted, and watching scanner and local like a hawk. And even if you manage to run away, you will most likely loose mission time bonus at least.
Second. At most times you will be ganked by groups, not solo pirates, almost everyone in attacking gang will have web/scram, so you will lose. You cant kill the first guy to tackle you and run away, you have to fight all people who ganked you. PvE fit versus 3 or 5 or 10 gankers... Not a chance in a million years.
Then too, if you are found in middle of mission, you will still have rat aggro (oh joy), wile new arrivals wont be agroed by rats in most cases...
If mission rats attacked new arrivals always, or if it was more easy to do missions in proper PvP setups, if there was a chance of doing a fighting retreat in PvP (other than killing everyone attacking you)... then probing missioners would be fair deal.
Not to mention that people using drones are exceptionally punished and sooooo much more easly detectable than standard boring missile boats.
Imagine if when new real players entered mission areas rat numbers increased accordingly (theoretically to make more interesting option for small gangs to run missions together), AND if aggro was also distributed to all players in mission area, then we might have something to talk about.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
Does your brain actually work?
another one of your posts which makes me laugh....you ever look in the mirror??
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.07 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dzajic
I don't have anything against concept of non consensual PvP. But.
You can setup for belt rating and PvP. If you set up for missions, you don't stand a chance in PvP. Some ships might sacrifice mids for web/scram or some E-War, but going into any mission in omnitank is... not wise. With 99% of PvE setups your only chance is running away in time, that means having a good safe, a cloak fitted, and watching scanner and local like a hawk. And even if you manage to run away, you will most likely loose mission time bonus at least.
Second. At most times you will be ganked by groups, not solo pirates, almost everyone in attacking gang will have web/scram, so you will lose. You cant kill the first guy to tackle you and run away, you have to fight all people who ganked you. PvE fit versus 3 or 5 or 10 gankers... Not a chance in a million years.
Then too, if you are found in middle of mission, you will still have rat aggro (oh joy), wile new arrivals wont be agroed by rats in most cases...
If mission rats attacked new arrivals always, or if it was more easy to do missions in proper PvP setups, if there was a chance of doing a fighting retreat in PvP (other than killing everyone attacking you)... then probing missioners would be fair deal.
Not to mention that people using drones are exceptionally punished and sooooo much more easly detectable than standard boring missile boats.
Imagine if when new real players entered mission areas rat numbers increased accordingly (theoretically to make more interesting option for small gangs to run missions together), AND if aggro was also distributed to all players in mission area, then we might have something to talk about.
If you're missioning in low sec, you should be watching your scanner for probes very frequently.
You should never be caught in a mission space. The moment you see that probe, you should be warping off. Warp Scrambling rats should always be the first things to go pop by all means.
You should also know the area, and have standings set to all the locals you see. Find regional intel channels. Pretty much every region has them. Watch them so you know where the camps are if you need to travel across a system or two.
Low sec missioning isn't for the weak or stupid. A lot of time, you'll have to pull a reaction our of your ass. And that's the kind of thing that makes it fun.
In my 7 months or so of low sec missioning, I've never lost a ship while doing a mission. It's really that easy if you know what you're doing.
But, if it's to much for you to handle, then you can sit in overcrowded laggy empire and get your salvage stolen.
Be it high sec, low sec, or no sec, the EVE player will always find usually hilarious ways to try and grief another.
And I love them for it.
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Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.07 21:44:00 -
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I have a bit of sympathy for the OP's position. The risk/reward balance favors the attacker too much. Pilot A is in a faction fitted BS and is busy with the mission objective. Pilot B is in an Arazu out dropping probes. Pilot B gets a read on Pilot A and warps in cloaked. Pilot B gets within 40 or so, decloaks, scrams, and damps Pilot A. Pilot B sits back while the NPCs chew up Pilot A who is crying and begging in local. The ship pops, Pilot B laughs, picks up surviving loot, and goes off to the pub. Pilot A is curled up in fetal position rocking back and forth. Not exactly fair is it?
Now if you will excuse me I'm am going to go move an Arazu to a popular lvl4 mission system.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.07 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: MrTripps
I have a bit of sympathy for the OP's position. The risk/reward balance favors the attacker too much. Pilot A is in a faction fitted BS and is busy with the mission objective. Pilot B is in an Arazu out dropping probes. Pilot B gets a read on Pilot A and warps in cloaked. Pilot B gets within 40 or so, decloaks, scrams, and damps Pilot A. Pilot B sits back while the NPCs chew up Pilot A who is crying and begging in local. The ship pops, Pilot B laughs, picks up surviving loot, and goes off to the pub. Pilot A is curled up in fetal position rocking back and forth. Not exactly fair is it?
Now if you will excuse me I'm am going to go move an Arazu to a popular lvl4 mission system.
If it were fair it wouldn't be EVE.
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Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.11.07 21:51:00 -
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I went in a system to probe down a mission runner not so long ago.
The mission runners in the system were all in the same gang, and if anyone got in any trouble they all warped in to assist.
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AgentDark
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Posted - 2007.11.07 21:57:00 -
[88]
i disagree, i say stuff like that should be more frequent. people get tons of money out of 0.0, one missions isn't going to kill you. QQ
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syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.11.07 22:18:00 -
[89]
You should be able to petition for your required mission item and get it spawned in your hanger, or your mission reset.
Nice attempt to turn this into a salvage whine there Xaen, pity it didn't work huh ?
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Romeda
Minmatar
The Tierijev Compact
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.11.07 22:43:00 -
[90]
Yea I really have to agree with the OP here, this is way out of line and not what system scanning was developed for. The people who are not complaining are the ones doing this. There is such a thing as being a loser online and offline.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.11.07 22:49:00 -
[91]
Single shard.
No instances.
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.11.07 22:53:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Romeda
Yea I really have to agree with the OP here, this is way out of line and not what system scanning was developed for.
If it was not intended, it would have been removed rather than simply made more difficult in the first patch after Kali.
Originally by: Empyre
1. Start a (free) trial account.
2. Create alt character.
3. Load alt in on second copy of client.
4. Park alt at mission area entrance as you mission.
Won't work, because you can't run a trial account on a second client at the same time as a paid account.
Finally, to those saying that pve fits can't pvp : That may be true, but a good PVP fit can pve
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Posted - 2007.11.07 23:27:00 -
[93]
Quote:
Step 1: Fit a cloak
Step 2: Press F1
You are now immune to pvp outside a station. Obviously it is not against the rules.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.08 10:01:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Romeda
Yea I really have to agree with the OP here, this is way out of line and not what system scanning was developed for. The people who are not complaining are the ones doing this. There is such a thing as being a loser online and offline.
What we should have is a box you can check or uncheck, saying whether your ship is a valid scanning target for probes or not.
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Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.11.08 10:07:00 -
[95]
Originally by: SN3263827
Or run and hide in high sec like a good little state-puppet should
Question: Whats "Gurlstas" as in your allaince name "The Gurlstas Associates" 
It's great being Amarr isn't it.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.11.08 10:22:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Originally by: Romeda
Yea I really have to agree with the OP here, this is way out of line and not what system scanning was developed for. The people who are not complaining are the ones doing this. There is such a thing as being a loser online and offline.
What we should have is a box you can check or uncheck, saying whether your ship is a valid scanning target for probes or not.
Yes, put it right next to the PvP Yes/No check box.
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Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.08 10:23:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Roy Batty68
Yes, put it right next to the PvP Yes/No check box.
Exactly!
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Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.08 10:27:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 08/11/2007 10:28:25
Hum, I don't get it, but... Didn't the OP whine about mission stuff being stolen from him, therefore preventing him from finishing the mission ?
While the solution he proposes is stupid, maybe another one solves the problem ?
I mean, what's the point of a mission if someone else steals the mission specific loot (no one can use it anyway but you AFAIK) and prevents you from finishing it ?
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Originally by: MotherMoon
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Arcticblue2
Gallente
Nordic Freelancers inc
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Posted - 2007.11.08 10:33:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Romeda
Yea I really have to agree with the OP here, this is way out of line and not what system scanning was developed for. The people who are not complaining are the ones doing this. There is such a thing as being a loser online and offline.
I have been probed downed many times, only a few times I have been caught and lost a ship.
I know this is not what OP had a problem with but loosing the items they needed to complete their missions but still it is one of the dangers about doing missions in low sec, I love doing my missions there... the rewards are better and thrill of possible being probed down is also good
CCP don't change it... there got to be a danger in living in low sec.
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The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.11.08 10:35:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Kuolematon
Question: Whats "Gurlstas" as in your allaince name "The Gurlstas Associates"
"Guristas" is the only faction name that is a filtered word in corporation and alliance names. We could be Caldari, Amarr, Blood Raider, you name it, but "Guristas" isn't allowed.
Originally by: Ares Lightfeather
(no one can use it anyway but you AFAIK) and prevents you from finishing it ?
On occasions when a mark has escaped after I've spent a lot of time scanning him down, I have taken the mission "key" and offered to sell it back to them so that my time spent probing was not entirely wasted.
What's the point of a mission if there's no chance you won't complete it? Why not just have a button you click that gives you isk equal to the mission reward after 30 minutes?
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Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.08 10:38:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Ares Lightfeather
I mean, what's the point of a mission if someone else steals the mission specific loot
Pure and utter hilarity.
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Aperture Science Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.08 10:40:00 -
[102]
`
/pvp on
> pvp mode is already on
/pvp off
> Command not recognised
/pvp off
> Command not recognised
/pvp off
> Command not recognised
/pvp on
This is not the game you are looking for I'm afraid. One server - no instances - full PvP.
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.08 10:51:00 -
[103]
Well, if you ransom it, it makes sense, except that... You can't do anything to the thief, because the stuff is not yours to begin with. If you want to use ransom for it, at least kill rights of some kind should be given...
That can be "abused" too, but it'll reduce lag from mission hub at least.
Not that it affects me anyway... it respawns after downtime, and I'm not doing missions in popular (overcrowded) mission hubs anyway...
I didn't say that there was necessarily something to fix. Just if someone had a better solution that the stupid one that the OP proposed. Trying to make things constructive you know ?
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Originally by: MotherMoon
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OneSock
Crown Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.08 10:57:00 -
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This is where I think concord needs a slightly different role in low sec.
As I see it low sec isn't really as described. There is some security from sentry guns at gates etc. but actually no security at all at belts or in missions. Pirate only has to wait for the agro timer to run down and he's on his merry way again with only a sec status loss to worry/boast about.
I would change low sec such that each sec level 0.4 to 0.1 has a different concord response. In 0.4 space, if you agress another player a single concord ship of appropriate strength would spawn and engage the aggressor. In 0.1 space concord ship of a lower strength (maybe a frig) would spawn. This would be easily tankable/killable.
The purpose of these concord "lite" npc ships would be to provide a scram point and some DPS to assist the agressed player a little. But not too much to really upset the pirates.
Certain rules could be in place to say concord only assist in deadspace or belts but not at moons, gates or stations.
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The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Saint Luka on 08/11/2007 11:02:35
OH NOES! Someone can find you whilst your carebearing, the horror!
This game is not and should not be about agreed PVP, if you dont like too PVP go play a game which isn't based around it.
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:01:00 -
[106]
Originally by: OneSock
Certain rules could be in place to say concord only assist in deadspace or belts but not at moons, gates or stations.
Yes, because it makes perfect sense that Concord will come and assist someone in the middle of a pirate stronghold (deadspace) and ignore all the pirates.
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:04:00 -
[107]
its not fair that you can loose your ship in eve, devs should make all ships invinsible imo
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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:07:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Dzajic
I don't have anything against concept of non consensual PvP. But.
You can setup for belt rating and PvP. If you set up for missions, you don't stand a chance in PvP. Some ships might sacrifice mids for web/scram or some E-War, but going into any mission in omnitank is... not wise. With 99% of PvE setups your only chance is running away in time, that means having a good safe, a cloak fitted, and watching scanner and local like a hawk. And even if you manage to run away, you will most likely loose mission time bonus at least.
Second. At most times you will be ganked by groups, not solo pirates, almost everyone in attacking gang will have web/scram, so you will lose. You cant kill the first guy to tackle you and run away, you have to fight all people who ganked you. PvE fit versus 3 or 5 or 10 gankers... Not a chance in a million years.
Then too, if you are found in middle of mission, you will still have rat aggro (oh joy), wile new arrivals wont be agroed by rats in most cases...
If mission rats attacked new arrivals always, or if it was more easy to do missions in proper PvP setups, if there was a chance of doing a fighting retreat in PvP (other than killing everyone attacking you)... then probing missioners would be fair deal.
Not to mention that people using drones are exceptionally punished and sooooo much more easly detectable than standard boring missile boats.
Imagine if when new real players entered mission areas rat numbers increased accordingly (theoretically to make more interesting option for small gangs to run missions together), AND if aggro was also distributed to all players in mission area, then we might have something to talk about.
What you forgot to mention is the belt ratter can be scanned down in 15 seconds by someone who knows what they're doing with the scanner.
The mission runner has FAR more warning, and it takes a long ass time to scan down a mission runner.
See, risk, reward, balance.
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:14:00 -
[109]
Wait, so what's the risk/downside of mission running?
Its just
gain
gain
gain
gain
gain
gain
When do you lose anything?
Eve economy is based on LOSS.
Every profession has LOSSES, to make you go buy stuff to replace your LOSS.
WHERE is the LOSS in MISSION RUNNING?
I understand if you don't like PvP, you dont have to do it.
But you have to lose something from time to time, to contribute to the Eve economy, otherwise you are a parasite receiving money and never spending.
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Amberly Coteaz
Amarr
Blood Corsair's
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:17:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Amberly Coteaz on 08/11/2007 11:17:12
Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
Originally by: Tarminic
An example of a rogue drone mission:
Originally by: Title
Bring me Cyber-Beer
Originally by: Description
My diodes thirst for recreational fluids to distract from repetative cyber-neural firings associated with the role I must fulfill in my obligation to the rogue drone society. I require that you obtain this recreational fluid for me in a timely fashion.
Originally by: Reward
Your continued existance, and a single "Elite Drone AI" that I have lying around.
Well, I thought Tarminic's post was funny, even if no-one else did.
Gah you beat me to it
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Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:18:00 -
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My point-of-view is that of the 'probed' party 80% of the time ... the other 20%? ... well, always helps to know how your opponent is operating right? 
And I totally disagree with the OP .... you get the pop-up when you enter lo-sec and you evaluate your risk vs. your reward for being there ... That's really all there is to it. Learn how to know whether you're being probed, whether ships are incoming to you location and never sit anywhere near the entry point if you are in deadspace. Most importantly, don't forget to leave a little jetcan renamed to some smart@ssed comment along the lines of 'nerrrrr nerrrr' for the probers to find just after you warp out :)
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:42:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Cipher7
Wait, so what's the risk/downside of mission running?
Its just
gain
gain
gain
gain
gain
gain
When do you lose anything?
Eve economy is based on LOSS.
Every profession has LOSSES, to make you go buy stuff to replace your LOSS.
WHERE is the LOSS in MISSION RUNNING?
I understand if you don't like PvP, you dont have to do it.
But you have to lose something from time to time, to contribute to the Eve economy, otherwise you are a parasite receiving money and never spending.
You seem to be forgetting about the cost of ammo!
ISK loss!
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Gallente
Nordic Freelancers inc
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:50:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Cipher7
Wait, so what's the risk/downside of mission running?
Its just
gain
gain
gain
gain
gain
gain
When do you lose anything?
Eve economy is based on LOSS.
Every profession has LOSSES, to make you go buy stuff to replace your LOSS.
WHERE is the LOSS in MISSION RUNNING?
I understand if you don't like PvP, you dont have to do it.
But you have to lose something from time to time, to contribute to the Eve economy, otherwise you are a parasite receiving money and never spending.
Actually as a missionrunner you do have a loss, recently I lost a Raven to a pirate/pvp'er that came to my deadspace pocket.. however it was a nice fight and I had lots of fun so it was well worth it.
It happens every now and then that you CAN loose a ship while being in low sec and do missions, my other Raven I lost in january/february to a gatecamp... on my way to the mission from the agent.
However that is the risk I am prepared to take for being in low sec, and to twist it abit ... where is the risk to a PvP'er when he probes down a missionrunner ? there really is no risk but a ****load of rewards for a pvp'er to take on a missionrunner.
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Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:51:00 -
[114]
He also forgets that it's pretty much the same risk with all high sec activities, like trading or mining... except wardecking some other corp maybe.
There is only gain and no downside.
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Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: MotherMoon
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.11.08 12:54:00 -
[115]
My only complaint about mission probing is that it's easy to scan down drones.
This is heavily unfair to drone-based mission runners (sentry Dominix anyone?), and drones are a pretty essential element for mission-running in any case (mop up the small things).
Otherwise, you undocked, you should accept the possibility that you'll lose your ship horribly even 2 seconds after undocking in a 1.0 station surrounded by corpmates.
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The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.11.08 12:57:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Acoco Osiris
My only complaint about mission probing is that it's easy to scan down drones.
This is heavily unfair to drone-based mission runners (sentry Dominix anyone?),
Drones are not inherently easier to scan than ships, it only appears that way because there are 5 times as many drones in space...
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Mamba Lev
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.08 13:36:00 -
[117]
Edited by: Mamba Lev on 08/11/2007 13:46:46
Originally by: Vitrael
Edited by: Vitrael on 07/11/2007 17:42:41
Originally by: Mamba Lev
Edited by: Mamba Lev on 07/11/2007 17:10:11
No that would create a situation when running a mission your immune to PvPers. Are you thick?
Oh and pirates don't get an opinion on this. Nice easy griefing for them though it is...
Congratulations on responding in your alt post thread and revealing your main. CVA pigdog.
So basically you want great reward with no risk? I think you wanted this.
Dead easy that one, didn't want the thread invaded my SF and U'K Heretics clouding the issue whining about not getting ganks off a ship set up for Missioning...
Great warriors that you are lol.
9UY anyone?
I wasn't whining.
Someone suggested waiting untill DT. Ace idea, lose the time bonus and the use of that agent for how ever many hours.
Like i said there is enough risk from some missions themselves without having to worry about getting ganked when your ship isn't set up for it.
I like PvP and and PvE. Missions should have no risk from outside interference. Like i said if i want the risk i'll go roaming in a ship set up for ratting and capable of defending itself from PvP.
Mission rewards from running in low-sec compared to high-sec are not big enough to warrant the far greater risk. I do like the idea of a limited Concord response in low-sec.
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Jorana Rowan
Gallente
Flying Fox Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.08 13:54:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Jorana Rowan on 08/11/2007 13:55:05
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Mamba Lev
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.08 14:02:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Mamba Lev on 08/11/2007 14:02:11
Originally by: Jorana Rowan
Edited by: Jorana Rowan on 08/11/2007 13:59:39
Edited by: Jorana Rowan on 08/11/2007 13:55:05
Is it possible to be probed down even when there are deadspace gates to go through? I had someone come in and start salvaging, in high sec, but that was at warp straight to the mission area.
Yup.
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Posted - 2007.11.08 14:10:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Asestorian
Tegashi:
Whether attacking someone who doesn't want to be attack is low is completely irrelevant. Have you even realised that EVE is a game that has non-consensual PvP as one of it's core mechanics?
NO, it is not. Not by a long stretch.
CCP says it is, but they make it more and more 'not' than ever.
Otherwise we would not have so damnably many 99% untouchable farmers glutting empire in NPC corps.
If CCP would remove their immunity to war declarations this game would work correctly.
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Molly Parker
Minmatar
Independent Manufacturers
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Posted - 2007.11.08 14:13:00 -
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Non mission runners will never understand your problem. It is like in the early days miners posted about griefers.
I can only recommend to u searching for an agent assigning u to lvl4 missions in 0.5 or above. I found some and it works perfectly. Just turn down lowsec missions when the agent gives u one. U think it's cowardice? No it's just not being stupid. Fitted for soloing a lvl4 mission makes u unable to fight multiple pvp fitted enemies usually.
As for reward it doesn't matter if the agent sends u to lowsec or not. That is the good side.
Just skip lowsec for missions if u hate being interrupted or shot down.
Doesn't sound like it's the intended game mechanic? Well survival is the most important thing in eve. Do whatever is necessary and possible to accomplish it.
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Xaen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.11.08 14:16:00 -
[122]
Originally by: SN3263827
If it was not intended, it would have been removed rather than simply made more difficult in the first patch after Kali.
Yeah, because how it currently works is such a great indicator of how it was supposed to work. See stacking MWDs, nanofibers, NOS, mineral compression via built items, BPO lottery, and drones with free will...
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Xaen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.11.08 14:18:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Ares Lightfeather
I mean, what's the point of a mission if someone else steals the mission specific loot (no one can use it anyway but you AFAIK) and prevents you from finishing it ?
Causing grief.
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Christari Zuborov
Amarr
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.08 14:20:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Mamba Lev
If you read the OP and indeed the title of the thread you will find the word 'Mission'. AT no point does it say i was wandering round 0.0 and i got shot boo hoo. Thanks for taking the time to really read the thread and join the debate.
I wasn't whining.
Someone suggested waiting untill DT. Ace idea, lose the time bonus and the use of that agent for how ever many hours.
Like i said there is enough risk from some missions themselves without having to worry about getting ganked when your ship isn't set up for it.
I like PvP and and PvE. Missions should have no risk from outside interference. Like i said if i want the risk i'll go roaming in a ship set up for ratting and capable of defending itself from PvP.
Mission rewards from running in low-sec compared to high-sec are not big enough to warrant the far greater risk. I do like the idea of a limited Concord response in low-sec.
When you log in, you are consenting to PVP, does that make it simple enough for you?
I understand your feelings about having zero risk all reward areas for you to get phat l00ts all day, but understand first that every player before you had it this way, and we're not interested in helping to make it easier for you when we took the hard road of learning to deal with it.
We got shot, we got ransomed, we got podded with no mercy. So what makes you more special than us princess?
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.08 14:25:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Ares Lightfeather
I mean, what's the point of a mission if someone else steals the mission specific loot (no one can use it anyway but you AFAIK) and prevents you from finishing it ?
Causing grief.
For me, causing grief is fine as long as you can grief the griefer back. Which, in this case, you can't.
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Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: MotherMoon
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OneSock
Crown Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.08 14:37:00 -
[126]
Edited by: OneSock on 08/11/2007 14:37:26
Originally by: SN3263827
Originally by: OneSock
Certain rules could be in place to say concord only assist in deadspace or belts but not at moons, gates or stations.
Yes, because it makes perfect sense that Concord will come and assist someone in the middle of a pirate stronghold (deadspace) and ignore all the pirates.
Hmm yes because it makes perfect sense that Concord will come and assist someone in the middle of a pirate stronghold (deadspace) and ignore all the pirates in high-sec.
Oh and I suppose it also makes perfect sense that Concord provide consequences in 0.5 but sod all in 0.4. It's just a designation given by CCP as a demarkation but makes no sense. Even the difference in response between 1.0 and 0.5 sec space is very little other than 20 seconds response time.
This is the thing, pirates whine because low sec is dead and they have nothing to shoot, then they whine about any proposal to encourage people to move into low sec. Genius.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.08 14:51:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Mamba Lev
Like i said there is enough risk from some missions
There's next to no risk in missions if you do them right. High sec you hardly have to even be there. Low sec is only slightly more demanding in the paying attention aspect.
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Amarr
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.08 14:52:00 -
[128]
Originally by: OneSock
This is the thing, pirates whine because low sec is dead and they have nothing to shoot, then they whine about any proposal to encourage people to move into low sec. Genius.
It's usually because those 'proposals to encourage' involve some sort of immunity, and that does nothing for them anyways.
The problem that's realized by Hisec dwellers is they don't need each other, all they need is their ship and something to shoot at and they're good. They're not interested in ganging together for survival - it isn't required. If there's an option where they're not required to do x to get to y, they'll do that, and then cry when x pops up.
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Xaen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.11.08 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Christari Zuborov
It's usually because those 'proposals to encourage' involve some sort of immunity, and that does nothing for them anyways.
The problem that's realized by Hisec dwellers is they don't need each other, all they need is their ship and something to shoot at and they're good. They're not interested in ganging together for survival - it isn't required. If there's an option where they're not required to do x to get to y, they'll do that, and then cry when x pops up.
Not everybody has time to create and maintain sufficient in-game relationships to be able to yank someone into a pretty selfish endeavor at the drop of a hat.
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Caol
UK Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.08 15:11:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Caol on 08/11/2007 15:11:33
This thread may be a troll but just wanted to add that missions need to be scannable.
I run the odd mission in Placid, I have been scanned down by pirate corps such as The Movement, Veto and a few others but thats the game. I have been ganked 2-3 times on gates and in missions but its really a cost instead of a game ending event.
If you know the aggro in Level 4 missions you can run them with named cruise launchers, good skills and t1 hardeners (no lie). Doing so in an insured Raven means if you are ganked in a mission you loose what? 20-30mil tops?
There is a 60-70% proof way to avoid being ganked in mission belts - use your scanner. Always have your scanner up, set it to 360 deg and hit scan every time you kill an npc or something. If you see a buzzard, cheetah, anathema or helios on scan then chances are someone has probes out (ofc, you may not catch the covert on scan whilst its launching its probes) - though who knows, pirates may use no covert ships to scan in the future. If you suddenly see a few hacs pop up on scan, align to a station and reduce your scan range to check.
Simple put, all the tools are there for you to survive at the end of the day.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.08 15:31:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Ares Lightfeather
I mean, what's the point of a mission if someone else steals the mission specific loot (no one can use it anyway but you AFAIK) and prevents you from finishing it ?
Causing grief.
What you forgot to mention is that if they do it in HIGH SEC (you know, that place you can't shoot first?) is that it is a petitionable offense to steal the mission-specific item.
The answer is simple: Don't do missions in LowSec if you are being harassed by pirates. Do like the rest of us good carebears do and smile and wave to them from Empire
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
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Kastar
Memphis Technologies
Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.11.08 16:26:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Mambo Ted
Why did someone think this was a good idea??
I'm doing a Level 4 mission 'Enemies Abound' (tricky enough as it is) i notice reds in system and go to station to wait for them to bugger off. Meanwhile they've probed out the spot and finished it off and taken what i needed to complete it. So now i've lost standing and a very lucrative mission.
Ace. That was fun. The excitment never ends.
If your doing a mission you should be undiscoverable to PvPrs.
Disagreed. Whet you really need to do is be nice to your co-pilots in system doing the same thing and assure mutual defense.
Either the pirate types learn fast enough not to mess with you, or you can duke it out and have fun nonetheless.
Kas
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Modrak Vseth
Veto. Academy
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.08 16:33:00 -
[133]
Originally by: OneSock
Oh and I suppose it also makes perfect sense that Concord provide consequences in 0.5 but sod all in 0.4. It's just a designation given by CCP as a demarkation but makes no sense. Even the difference in response between 1.0 and 0.5 sec space is very little other than 20 seconds response time.
Just like the arbitray lines between countries setup by their governments keep their respective armies from crossing those arbitray lines.
Originally by: OneSock
This is the thing, pirates whine because low sec is dead and they have nothing to shoot, then they whine about any proposal to encourage people to move into low sec. Genius.
Low sec mission runners can only be caught in two places: the gate or in their mission. When low sec mission runners ask that they be invulnerable in their mission, it reduces that to gates only. This of course would reduce the number of targets available to pirates, hence the concern. It would also ENCOURAGE gatecamps. Is that something you're actually interested in?
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Mamba Lev
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.08 16:40:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Mamba Lev on 08/11/2007 16:39:55
Originally by: Christari Zuborov
When you log in, you are consenting to PVP, does that make it simple enough for you?
I understand your feelings about having zero risk all reward areas for you to get phat l00ts all day, but understand first that every player before you had it this way, and we're not interested in helping to make it easier for you when we took the hard road of learning to deal with it.
We got shot, we got ransomed, we got podded with no mercy. So what makes you more special than us princess?
Hmm so your saying i had it hard so you can too, are you from yorkshire? What a valuable member of society you are.
Originally by: Caol
There is a 60-70% proof way to avoid being ganked in mission belts - use your scanner. Always have your scanner up, set it to 360 deg and hit scan every time you kill an npc or something. If you see a buzzard, cheetah, anathema or helios on scan then chances are someone has probes out (ofc, you may not catch the covert on scan whilst its launching its probes) - though who knows, pirates may use no covert ships to scan in the future. If you suddenly see a few hacs pop up on scan, align to a station and reduce your scan range to check.
Thanks for the top tip dude.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.11.08 17:53:00 -
[135]
Originally by: OneSock
This is where I think concord needs a slightly different role in low sec.
As I see it low sec isn't really as described. There is some security from sentry guns at gates etc. but actually no security at all at belts or in missions.
I think "Low Security" is a fairly accurate description for people who are smart and have a decent understanding of the game. If they're not smart, and they don't understand the game, well, even HiSec isn't exactly "High Security".
There are tweaks I would make to LoSec missions--somewhat better rewards, more forgiving timers and penalties, etc.-- as well as to LoSec generally. But I'd be very unhappy if the security there became more dependent on NPCs rather than the players themselves.
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William Darkk
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.08 18:01:00 -
[136]
Uh, question. As a noob who's only flown a couple lowsec missions, how do I protect myself from this sort of thing?
So far I've just relied on completing the missions as fast as I possibly could.
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WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.11.08 19:18:00 -
[137]
Originally by: William Darkk
Uh, question. As a noob who's only flown a couple lowsec missions, how do I protect myself from this sort of thing?
So far I've just relied on completing the missions as fast as I possibly could.
The main things:
- Pick your agents and systems wisely. Spend some time with the map looking at population, ship kills, pod kills, and NPC kills. Also look at pipes going in and out, and to hisec, hubs especially.
- Get to know the locals. Always pay attention to local.
- Use lower level agents than you might in hisec at first.
- Create undock points and safespots. Safespots that are outside of celestial/directional scanner range (14.5au) are especially valuable.
- Look at your map before accepting missions. If it requires jumps, fit for travel and carry your mission modules in your hold. Sometimes it can make sense to set up multiple depots with modules and even ships.
- Get to know your directional scanner, especially scanning for probes. To do this, set for max range/360, uncheck "Use Overview Settings", and sort by "Name" on the results list. Probes will always appear under "Scanner Probe".
- Learn about probing mechanics. This is too much to get into here, but here's a good place to start. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=431586
- Be careful about using drones. They can be an immense help, but they can also make it much easier to probe you out.
- In general, Know Thy Enemy. Know Thy Friends too. In some systems there are local defence channels you can use, but always be a bit paranoid, and think in terms of what you would do if you were in the pirate's shoes, hunting yourself. And who knows, maybe you'll join the other side some time.
- Accept that sometime you'll probably get careless and unlucky and lose your imaginary ship. Learn from it. And don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
- If none of this sounds like much fun, stay out of losec.
Good luck. :)
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.11.08 19:25:00 -
[138]
Originally by: William Darkk
So far I've just relied on completing the missions as fast as I possibly could.
Oh, and that's smart too. And be selective about looting and salvaging. Mission completion and LP rewards are much better in losec, loot and salvage are the same. Actually less valuable, because you'll usually have to haul them out of losec to cash in. Often still worth it, but keep the costs and benefits in mind.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.11.08 19:32:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Tegashi
Killing mission runners is a pretty low and dirty practice. In many cases, the odds are so stacked against the mission runner that they don't have a chance. This doesn't qualify as 'PvP' in my view, only griefing since it's such a one-sided engagement.
The WoW comment makes me chuckle. The same 'PvP' douchebag mentality strongly exists there too.
PvPers = Douchebag.
Amazing logic there, bud. I guess you think that EVE should institute a pvp flag or a dueling system restricting pvp to only those who "want" to PVP.
Because uneven fights are "griefing." Indeed, we won't let alliances that are bigger than other organizations (be they other alliances or corps) war dec smaller entities. Also, we should restrict gate camps. You shouldn't be allowed to camp a gate unless you are alone.
And if a giant 50 person anti-pie blob comes to try and kill me camping a gate by myself, they shouldn't be allowed to engage.
Great idea where do I sign up for the suckiest MMO ever made. You know, the one you want to turn eve into?
-Karl
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.11.08 19:36:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Princess Jodi
I'd invite you to come to the Drone Regions and run missions there ...
but we don't have Missions in the Drone Regions.
Thanks again, CCP
How many missions do alliances that don't live 0.0 with NPC sov get to run?
Very, very, very few. In fact, I know a lot of people who clone jump back to empire to run missions.
Guess what? They don't live in the drone regions.
Well done, again, whiner.
-Karl
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.11.08 19:38:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Tegashi
Originally by: Modrak Vseth
Originally by: Tegashi
This doesn't qualify as 'PvP' in my view, only making ISK since it's such a one-sided engagement.
Fixed that for ya. Sometimes attacking a rich mission runner is about more then the PvP.
There is always someone looknig for the easy score rather then grinding missions or rats the hard way. Please.
If you think piracy is an "easy score" you are incredibly dense. You should try making a living at it sometime.
-Karl
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Tegashi
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Posted - 2007.11.08 20:07:00 -
[142]
Originally by: I SoStoned
Originally by: Asestorian
Tegashi:
Whether attacking someone who doesn't want to be attack is low is completely irrelevant. Have you even realised that EVE is a game that has non-consensual PvP as one of it's core mechanics?
NO, it is not. Not by a long stretch.
CCP says it is, but they make it more and more 'not' than ever.
Otherwise we would not have so damnably many 99% untouchable farmers glutting empire in NPC corps.
If CCP would remove their immunity to war declarations this game would work correctly.
Most often, a player who is performing a mission cannot fit his or her ship to withstand a PvP attack. Most missions require fairly specific fits in order to maximize chance of success and even then success is never for certain.
'PvP'ers' if they even deserve the title, who probe down mission runners realize and capitalize on this fact. A 'PvP'er' who engages a mission runner know full well that he has the extreme advantage just by virtue of how the game mechanics relative to both schools of thought are applied in the game. Therefore, the 'PvP' engagement becomes a Gank because the victim A) Cannot properly fit a mission ship to repel a gank in most cases and B) a mission runner must also contend with whatever NPC agro in addition to the aggression by however many gankers show up to destroy the ship that player has built.
Mission runners in this case, have such a small chance of surviving the PvP gank because the odds are so far stacked against them due to the imposition of game mechanics etc. It isn't even close to a fair engagement, tactical challenge, or reasonable skirmish. It's shooting fish in barrels.
I love real PvP as much as anyone, but I personally don't think it's right to sink so low as to kill 'easy' targets in this manner. That's just weak.
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Posted - 2007.11.08 20:14:00 -
[143]
Edited by: Tegashi on 08/11/2007 20:14:00
Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: Tegashi
Killing mission runners is a pretty low and dirty practice. In many cases, the odds are so stacked against the mission runner that they don't have a chance. This doesn't qualify as 'PvP' in my view, only griefing since it's such a one-sided engagement.
The WoW comment makes me chuckle. The same 'PvP' douchebag mentality strongly exists there too.
PvPers = Douchebag.
Amazing logic there, bud. I guess you think that EVE should institute a pvp flag or a dueling system restricting pvp to only those who "want" to PVP.
Because uneven fights are "griefing." Indeed, we won't let alliances that are bigger than other organizations (be they other alliances or corps) war dec smaller entities. Also, we should restrict gate camps. You shouldn't be allowed to camp a gate unless you are alone.
And if a giant 50 person anti-pie blob comes to try and kill me camping a gate by myself, they shouldn't be allowed to engage.
Great idea where do I sign up for the suckiest MMO ever made. You know, the one you want to turn eve into?
-Karl
No. Not all PvP'ers are doucehbags. Don't try to twist my words because you know full well that is not what I meant. Not at all.
PvP'er and Ganker share the same title but they are not one and the same. Personally, I prefer choosing targets that are difficult, can destroy me, and I can learn from the experience. I love the idea of defending corporation space from invaders or those wishing to take what my alliance has built. To me, this is PvP.
What qualifies as douchebaggery in my opinion is the idea of running down mission runners because you know they most likely did not or could not fit their ship to properly deal with the gank. Those that suicide gank, or gamp gates just to shoot easy targets. THose that bait newbs with cans outside of stations, flip the ore of miners, or all the other underhanded things people try to do to coax an easy barge or frig kill. This is the kind of thing I speak of.
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Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2007.11.08 20:23:00 -
[144]
GOD there's a lot of whining going on in here. It's nothing new either, just the same old regurgitated "PvPers are bad" BS. We need to be able to find mission runners because everyone needs some risk in this game. There's risk in the missions already, I hear you say. Well, I am running a lvl 4 mission as I write this. I don't even have to look at my screen. Lot of risk there.
CCP has already made this game too damn easy. Any easier and we might as well all migrate to WoW, as that will be the 'hardcore' alternative. Learn to play and stop whining. If you think pirates have it easy, try living like one for a month.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.11.08 20:32:00 -
[145]
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 08/11/2007 20:33:37
Originally by: Tegashi
Most often, a player who is performing a mission cannot fit his or her ship to withstand a PvP attack. Most missions require fairly specific fits in order to maximize chance of success and even then success is never for certain.
*snip*
I love real PvP as much as anyone, but I personally don't think it's right to sink so low as to kill 'easy' targets in this manner. That's just weak.
If you ever ran an Angel mission you would have to fit an omni tank anyway. For those Vipers, you need a web, so throw in a scrambler and hey presto...you are in pvp ship.
The decision to nerf your ship based on the limited racial damage of npc's was your choice.
Easy targets present themselves as just that....easy targets, that is their mistake. It doesn't matter if you are in a nano Hac or a raven, if you present yourself as an easy target, you will die.
It is sooo easy to avoid being ganked in missions, if you don't do them afk
I ran tons of level 4's in low sec trying to fix my sec status. I was blinky red, so I was hunted by both pirates and anti pirates. I didn't lose a ship to any mission or the probers. I have probed out many mission runners myself, and that is the best way to learn how to avoid getting ganked
Here is some obvious advice (amazingly people don't take precautions in low sec)
1. When you land at your first gate, check the range to the nearest celestial.
If it is above 5AU then you are pretty safe, and it will take a dedicated prober quite some time
2. After entering the stage via the accel gate, drop a can immediately
This will decloak any recons trying to sneak up on you
3. Never stay within 24km of the warp in point
4. Align to a station (if there is one) Do not use a planet as your warp out...to easy to get followed, and your BS will warp slower than a tackler, and there are no guns to help you.
5. Check local, trust no one. If there is zero in the system, mission away. Any one of the others could be in a covert with positive sec. He is just warp in point, so won't look like pirate.
6. CHECK YOUR SCANNER!! Put it on max range, untick overview settings...sort by type, and scroll to scanner probes
If you see "Quest probe" on scan scoop drones, warp out, dock up, and have a beer. The mission will still be there for you. No point losing a BS over a time bonus
7. CHECK THE SCANNER!!...cannot be said enough. Its very easy to do missions, so use your time to check on ships in the system, get familiar with traffic, and try to spot possible threats. Keep an eye out for non pve ships...like vagabond, curse, etc. They are NOT running missions
8. Be paranoid, and keep safe...you should not lose a ship in a mission if you are alert
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Posted - 2007.11.08 21:18:00 -
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I agree 100% with the op.
PvP should be 100% consensual. Make another server where pvpers and other grievers can go freely kill each other. Eve is about missions and mining, not killing everyone you see.
Also ships should have full insurance for fittings lost and the guy who killed you should pay 10mil for every jump he makes in high-sec, as a bail for concord.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.08 21:27:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Mamba Lev
No that would create a situation when running a mission your immune to PvPers. Are you thick?
Oh and pirates don't get an opinion on this. Nice easy griefing for them though it is...
Eve is a pvp game, "non-consensual" pvp is a defining feature. Nobody should ever be "immune to PvPers." Certainly not while grinding away otherwise low-risk, high yield isk.
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Modrak Vseth
Veto. Academy
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.08 21:50:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Tegashi
Most often, a player who is performing a mission cannot fit his or her ship to withstand a PvP attack. Most missions require fairly specific fits in order to maximize chance of success and even then success is never for certain.
It's not "cannot fit", it's "choose not to fit". You can still run the missions in a PvP fit. It may be a bit more difficult, but not impossible.
Originally by: Tegashi
Mission runners in this case, have such a small chance of surviving the PvP gank because the odds are so far stacked against them due to the imposition of game mechanics etc. It isn't even close to a fair engagement, tactical challenge, or reasonable skirmish. It's shooting fish in barrels.
More like shooting fish in a barrel that saw you coming from a mile away and had the chance to jump out of the barrel into a pond but decided not to. You ALWAYS have AT LEAST 30 seconds to warp out of your mission when someone else jumps into the system. If you're watching your scanner you WILL KNOW if they're looking for you.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Rare Faction
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Posted - 2007.11.08 22:00:00 -
[149]
If you don't like pirates killing low sec mission runners, then deny them their targets. Stop going to low sec. Low sec missions are only fractionally better than high sec missions.
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William Darkk
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.08 22:03:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Tsanse Kinske
Originally by: William Darkk
- Be careful about using drones. They can be an immense help, but they can also make it much easier to probe you out.
DOH. I'm specced/fitted for drones, as I'm fond of pets in other mmos.
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WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.11.08 22:33:00 -
[151]
Edited by: Tsanse Kinske on 08/11/2007 22:33:55
Originally by: William Darkk
Originally by: Tsanse Kinske
- Be careful about using drones. They can be an immense help, but they can also make it much easier to probe you out.
DOH. I'm specced/fitted for drones, as I'm fond of pets in other mmos.
I'm not much of a drone user, but I don't think that being a drone specialist disqualifies you from losec. Just be aware of the problem, and use all of their numerous advantages to the fullest when you can.
Drones don't make you any easier to probe out when there's nobody probing you.
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Mamba Lev
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.10 17:46:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Tegashi
Edited by: Tegashi on 08/11/2007 20:14:00
Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: Tegashi
Killing mission runners is a pretty low and dirty practice. In many cases, the odds are so stacked against the mission runner that they don't have a chance. This doesn't qualify as 'PvP' in my view, only griefing since it's such a one-sided engagement.
The WoW comment makes me chuckle. The same 'PvP' douchebag mentality strongly exists there too.
PvPers = Douchebag.
Amazing logic there, bud. I guess you think that EVE should institute a pvp flag or a dueling system restricting pvp to only those who "want" to PVP.
Because uneven fights are "griefing." Indeed, we won't let alliances that are bigger than other organizations (be they other alliances or corps) war dec smaller entities. Also, we should restrict gate camps. You shouldn't be allowed to camp a gate unless you are alone.
And if a giant 50 person anti-pie blob comes to try and kill me camping a gate by myself, they shouldn't be allowed to engage.
Great idea where do I sign up for the suckiest MMO ever made. You know, the one you want to turn eve into?
-Karl
No. Not all PvP'ers are doucehbags. Don't try to twist my words because you know full well that is not what I meant. Not at all.
PvP'er and Ganker share the same title but they are not one and the same. Personally, I prefer choosing targets that are difficult, can destroy me, and I can learn from the experience. I love the idea of defending corporation space from invaders or those wishing to take what my alliance has built. To me, this is PvP.
What qualifies as douchebaggery in my opinion is the idea of running down mission runners because you know they most likely did not or could not fit their ship to properly deal with the gank. Those that suicide gank, or gamp gates just to shoot easy targets. THose that bait newbs with cans outside of stations, flip the ore of miners, or all the other underhanded things people try to do to coax an easy barge or frig kill. This is the kind of thing I speak of.
EXACTLY! Well said :)
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Snake Doctor
MacroIntel
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.11.10 18:14:00 -
[153]
you could always attempt to make nice with the locals. Maybe even join their corp while you mission.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.10 18:32:00 -
[154]
If you can't handle low sec because you're to weak and ignorant, then stay out.
It's that simple.
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Mamba Lev
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.11 11:37:00 -
[155]
Killing mission runners is griefing.
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Miz Cenuij
Caldari
Simply Smacktackular
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Posted - 2007.11.11 12:22:00 -
[156]
LOL, sounds like fun...
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.11 17:15:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Mamba Lev
Killing mission runners is griefing.
Griefing? Yes.
Allowed? Yes.
Hilarious? Yes.
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