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Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.11.07 23:15:00 - [1] First the changes: Heretic base speed change 315m/s (420m/s atm) Flycatcher base speed change 335m/s (445m/s atm) Sabre base speed change 340m/s (455m/s atm) Eris base speed change 325m/s (435m/s atm) As I joined the game I wanted to fly those ships, because I like the small ships and I considered them as THE ship class for me. Some month later I finally has been able to fly them, but I had to learn that they are very****ile and die very easily (even with their speed they have atm). Nerver than less I enjoyed them to fly... until now. Now they will die from nearly everything out there (you can get away, you can armor them enough, their sig is far too great even with AB). WHY do you have nerved them now (to death)? - they weren't overpowered at all! Because otherwise your shiny new heavy interdictors wouldn't be flown? The script for the new generator is great and for a short time (until everybody else managed to scamble your prey) the bubble without the script is not that bad. You are nerving everything that is fun in the game atm, until we fly all the same ship + setting. Atm you are making a lot of people angry all at the same time. And one other question, do you REALLY fly those ships and knowing what you do?!?
Montaire Genbuku. Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.07 23:31:00 - [2] They are changing them because they are too strong. Speed is such a pandemic in this game right now. I think this is the first in a long line of changes directed at that problem. Interdictors are not interceptors.
Kaar Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.07 23:39:00 - [3] Originally by: Montaire Interdictors are not interceptors. this --- . ---
Sleepkevert Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.07 23:48:00 - [4] Originally by: Kaar Originally by: Montaire Interdictors are not interceptors. this Also, duh, destroyers are fragile so interdictors are fragile too. They are supposed to be the frigate killing class (which they are doing very well (i always stay away from dictors when flying my inti at least). It just happens that they have the uber power to stop every single ship from using warp. It isn't supposed to be able to omgwtf tank an entire gang... _______ Sign my sig
Ruciza	Posted - 2007.11.07 23:48:00 - [5] Interceptors are buffed, this could be the Devs telling us "THERE YOU HAVE TACKLERS!" Dictors are losing 25% of their speed, which further defines ceptors as the speedy tacklers. Dictors have still the ability to interdict a whole volume no matter how many ships are in it, and are able to draw warping ships into the bubble. Hactors have not much speed when they do this, dictors still have a couple thousand m/s.
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.11.08 00:01:00 - [6] I fly both. Interceptors and Interdictors. My Interceptors flying 1-2k faster as any Interdictor. I don't see the need to "steal" every other Interdictor now ~1k speed. Only Sabres (I am also able to fly them, so no jealousy) are a pain in the ass for Interceptors (speed+tank+damage+web+scramble). A HAC or a well fitted BS can rip me apart in no time and most HACs are as fast as mine Dictor. Now there is not much of a chance to escape (in meaning of to fly away).
achoura	Posted - 2007.11.08 00:10:00 - [7] Originally by: Gordon Red I fly both. Interceptors and Interdictors. My Interceptors flying 1-2k faster as any Interdictor. I don't see the need to "steal" every other Interdictor now ~1k speed. Only Sabres (I am also able to fly them, so no jealousy) are a pain in the ass for Interceptors (speed+tank+damage+web+scramble). A HAC or a well fitted BS can rip me apart in no time and most HACs are as fast as mine Dictor. Now there is not much of a chance to escape (in meaning of to fly away). Most hacs arnt, only nanoed ones can almost keep up (even then only a vaga will catch a saber). I know how you feel sadly, but you're talking about hem as if they were the same thing and they're no, they're two separate classes with two different jobs. Heavy dictors fill the mom/titan role now, and more usefully they carry an infinite bubble for camps which doesn't count as aggression so you can always hop through, but really i'm just glad the boundaries between them all are clearer again, after becoming blurred. nine times out of ten everyone would choose the saber over the stilleto for ops, no they will think twice. Less nano legging it when it goes bad = good thing. EvE is a game where you (at least in theory) are ment to commit your ship to a fight win or loose and that is a the real answer to your question.
Dark 0men Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.11.08 00:48:00 - [8] Originally by: achoura Most hacs arnt, only nanoed ones can almost keep up (even then only a vaga will catch a saber). Assuming 2x poly, 1mn MWD II and not more than 2 overdrives, new sabre would be 4792m/s and new flycatcher 3411m/s. That's quite within reach of nano HACs. And that's not counting the flavor of the century minmatar recons -- escaping from them will be even harder. Seriously, have you people ever thought "damn, if only that sabre was less useful for combat, maybe the pilot would've emoquit the game instead of bubbling me"? That seems to be the reasoning behind the nerf
britchie Gallente The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.11.08 03:05:00 - [9] Im still going to fly my eris. Does anyone know how to get my name capitalized?
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.11.08 03:13:00 - [10] What is nerv? Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Corey Grim FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.08 06:54:00 - [11] "Damn there goes my 124th sabre" -Corey Grim after encountering hostile zealot "Damn there goes my kill" -Corey Grim after encountering Reaper that is faster than his Sabre. FC: Dictors, why the hell aint those hostile BS¦s bubbled allready? Corey: umm sir... FC: No umm dude just get it done! Corey: but sir we dont have warp point!! FC: what are you babbling about, fly there allready. Corey: But sir their heavy support are faster than we are... and besides we dont have the speed to keep our transversal up, their battleships are allready pounding the **** out of us. FC: oh ffs, you guys are seriously flying wrong ships... CCP please dont do this. Dictors, while usefull, die easily enough allready. My Latest Video:Kaamos
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:27:00 - [12] IMHO they nerved the dictors, because too much people got killed from a Sabre. All other dictors are far inferior and getting also spanked.
Ribeye Jaksom GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:32:00 - [13] Edited by: Ribeye Jaksom on 08/11/2007 20:33:21 This change is terrible please don't do this. One small mistake and you are dead now as it is. Now we cannot catch an interceptor either if you do this, now it is already hard enough (except for sabre). I see this as a buff to inties as much as a nerf to dictors. "But Goonswarm now thier true hidden Personalities are out have represented to me all that is wrong with internet gaming" - NereSky
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:43:00 - [14] Originally by: Montaire They are changing them because they are too strong. Speed is such a pandemic in this game right now. I think this is the first in a long line of changes directed at that problem. Interdictors are not interceptors. Required Skills: Interceptors Level IV Looks like they are a progression from interceptors to me and as such should be as fast. I fully oppose this nerf as now my paper thin always primary dictor will be unable to run now as well. Bad call CCP. CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too. Originally by: CCP Tuxford I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:49:00 - [15] nono, NOW you are willing to fly+skill the HEAVY interdictor...
Paddlefoot Aeon Neogen Industries Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:50:00 - [16] Originally by: Vicious Phoenix Originally by: Montaire They are changing them because they are too strong. Speed is such a pandemic in this game right now. I think this is the first in a long line of changes directed at that problem. Interdictors are not interceptors. Required Skills: Interceptors Level IV Looks like they are a progression from interceptors to me and as such should be as fast. I fully oppose this nerf as now my paper thin always primary dictor will be unable to run now as well. Bad call CCP. 1. Its a larger and heavier ship than a inty, and therefore should go slower. 2. Racial battleships need racial cruiser 4, so by your logic I guess that means that a BS should be faster than a cruiser. 3. Your 'dictor is Primary because 'dictors are so effective. If they were less effective, they wouldn't be as much of a threat and they might not get called primary so often. Now Recruiting. Click sig for details!
Remlin Caldari White Wolf Enterprises	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:54:00 - [17] Edited by: Remlin on 08/11/2007 20:56:37 Dictors are not cheap. Everyone knows well enough to shoot the dictor. They do not tank. They do not deal damage. They are meant deliver a sphere to prevent enemy forces from retreat. They are best used in 0.0 with limited application in Empire. So why diminish the chances of survival if speed was the only staying grace they had? Very odd. Many changes seem like they are just being done without a cohesive reason or plan.
Tadehiro Kudzu Collective Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.08 21:15:00 - [18] Edited by: Tadehiro on 08/11/2007 21:15:18 Dictors are based off of destroy hulls, meant primarily to take out interceptors and frigates. And currently a riced ceptor will go faster then a riced dictor because the dictor has an inherently higher mass anyways. A snaked/polycarboned/gistii-a type dictor with 3 million SP in navigation will ALWAYS go faster then a T2 fitted unrigged ceptor with a pilot that's only 5 months old. He should be going faster. Whereas a snaked / gistii / polycarboned ceptor will laugh at a similarily equipped dictor as he outruns said dictor.
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:15:00 - [19] Edited by: Gordon Red on 08/11/2007 22:21:23 Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon 1. Its a larger and heavier ship than a inty, and therefore should go slower. 2. Racial battleships need racial cruiser 4, so by your logic I guess that means that a BS should be faster than a cruiser. 3. Your 'dictor is Primary because 'dictors are so effective. If they were less effective, they wouldn't be as much of a threat and they might not get called primary so often. to 1. but my Crusader (7k) can "tank" far more damage as my Heretic (5k), so if the Dictor has to be slower (3,7k on the testserver), then something has to be done that make it live longer versus bigger ships (lower sig or something else). I hardly survive an aproach to a sniper group with the speed that the Dictor has atm + their immense sig(with MWD) and with that lowered speed, even a warp in + bubble action is a one way flight! to 3. Dictors aren't "effective", they can drop a bubble that's it. (the sabre can do a lot more, but versus a Cruiser still inferior) The main problem for an interceptor is to fly alone (no gang bonus) and meet a ganged-up interdictor (gangbonus + perhaps a skirmish module)...
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:26:00 - [20] Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon 1. Its a larger and heavier ship than a inty, and therefore should go slower. 2. Racial battleships need racial cruiser 4, so by your logic I guess that means that a BS should be faster than a cruiser. 3. Your 'dictor is Primary because 'dictors are so effective. If they were less effective, they wouldn't be as much of a threat and they might not get called primary so often. 1. It is slower AND heavier so thrust modules have less effect. 2. It is slower than inties by quite a bit. CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too. Originally by: CCP Tuxford I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:36:00 - [21] Originally by: Ribeye Jaksom This change is terrible please don't do this. One small mistake and you are dead now as it is. Now we cannot catch an interceptor either if you do this, now it is already hard enough (except for sabre). I see this as a buff to inties as much as a nerf to dictors. And yet, even though they are so 'fragile and easy to loose', people still fly them so much that interceptors have more or less disappeared from fleet use..... Clearly that indicates that they are too good at what they do and need a nerf of some kind..... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2007.11.09 00:23:00 - [22] Originally by: Kerfira And yet, even though they are so 'fragile and easy to loose', people still fly them so much that interceptors have more or less disappeared from fleet use..... Clearly that indicates that they are too good at what they do and need a nerf of some kind..... On the contrary, interceptors are just too bad. The only reason people fly dictors is that they are better than interceptors for a similar price. (Excluding the Sabre) After the nerf dictors will be rendered just as useless except they can bubble. CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too. Originally by: CCP Tuxford I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.11.09 00:58:00 - [23] Interceptors aren't bad at all, you have to know how to fly them properly and you can't allow yourself to make big mistakes. Ceptorcombat is one of the few fields that require skills on the pilot side. Sorry, but most people have not the right hand to fly an interceptor good and doing it only in the meantime to skill up for their HAC and drop the interceptor quickly. Only the enthusiasts flying interceptors on the long term and those are the people that skilling further to the interdictor. I would like to see a sig reduction bonus per level for the interdictor as it is granted for the interceptor. Then I could live with the speed loss somehow.
Horribad	Posted - 2007.11.09 01:48:00 - [24] Edited by: Horribad on 09/11/2007 01:48:50 Originally by: Montaire Interdictors are not cruisers. corrected. and no, dictors are not as fast as inties right now. and yes, they will be as slower than cruisers after the patch. In fact, most dictors will be SLOWER than a speed fit cruiser. yes read that again.... ***** SLOWER. Sabre will be slower than a vagabond. Sabre will be slower than A ***** STABBER. ROFL at the speed of the other dictors. Its beyond stupid pathetic.
Horribad	Posted - 2007.11.09 01:51:00 - [25] In case you missed it. THIS MAKES ***** DICTORS SLOWER THAN MOTHER ***** CRUISERS.
Horribad	Posted - 2007.11.09 01:53:00 - [26] cruisers....
Horribad	Posted - 2007.11.09 01:54:00 - [27] CRUISERS!
Andreya Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.11.09 03:05:00 - [28] Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon 1. Its a larger and heavier ship than a inty, and therefore should go slower. 2. Racial battleships need racial cruiser 4, so by your logic I guess that means that a BS should be faster than a cruiser. in reply to 1: they are much heavier and slower and less agile, 25-30% actually, meaning any inty that doesnt do somethign stupid wont get killed by a dictor in reply to 2: are you using your brain? what he was saying is intys are fast and are eneded to be trained cause dictors are fast as well. and to be put in the same category.... you needed to train assault ships to get heavy assault ship right? they both have insane resists, you needed to train covert ops to get recons right? they both cloak..... but where in that void of space in your head do you think that training cruiser 4 gets you a faster battlecruiser!!?? what you get is the obvious, a similar ship with more pain . think before you post _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything.
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.11.09 11:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Horribad In fact, most dictors will be SLOWER than a speed fit cruiser. Perfect reason to fly the heavy interdictors, because they are CRUISER... => CCP won Imagine a Devoter with his 7 low slots and it's good base speed => speed+tank (ok, not much speed, if you use the sphere, but you use it only for a short time, to get the prey locked down)
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Karjala Inc. Onnenpyora	Posted - 2007.11.28 15:10:00 - [30] I was testing my dictor today on sisi. What I had was 2000m/s as max speed. It's just simply dumb. It means most of cruisers go faster than my freaking dictor. And they -do- instapop it. If dictors are going to get nerfed at least don't make any of them go over 2000m/s so they're equally piece of poo-poo with flycatcher. It's not like dictor pilot could care less about killing worthless inty, you care about not blowing up your ship every time while diving into hostile swarm. Make sabre go 2000m/s make heretic go 2000m/s make eris go 2000m/s and i'm fine with my 2k. Gawd. Seriously.

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