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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
102
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:31:00 -
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Andski wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:No in order to join GSF coms you need to provide all this information. And anyways only reason to know complete asset list is to probe out the big fish and hack their account...or gank them...you know that there are sites where once you have the API you can see where assets are in real time? what do they put in the water these days? goddamn
There are a whole lot of members in goons. You don't think there is a hacker in there somewhere. And yes, the API can be used to verify assets and potential targets; and Teamspeak and Ventrilo can provide means to hack a players system afterwords. Pretty sure I've had it happen a few times.
Also, there doesn't have to be anything in the water. You're playing a game where nobody can trust anybody, and Goonswarm happens to be on the top of the list of those not to trust. If you can't trust someone in game, why would you trust them in real life? TIIP: The Incredible Invisible Poster |
Prince Kobol
176
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:32:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Why do you give a **** what the goons do.
The goons can do whatever the hell they like in their within their own alliance. It does not effect you in anyway unless you are one of those persons who is required to give their full API is unhappy about it but too scared to speak up on your main.
Either way get a grip
Hacking accounts or selling the information to someone who will hack the account is a valid inter alliance tactic?
???
So are you saying that you are one of those people who is directly effected by this but is to scared to talk to somebody about it in the alliance so you have come to the forum to ***** and moan about it? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
910
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:32:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:I have seen these sort of thing happen in the former northern coalition...round up all the noobs with more isk then brains...and one by one all their accounts get hacked....so reality right now? no.... but experience can see where this is going... Oh, before I forget... no you didn't. Oh goons...please stop trying to to change the subject....no answer has been given... Corp theft is not valid reason...other corps do it is not valid...and because i said so is not a valid reason... these are all childish reasons at best....please try again
And thus endeth the thread..... Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Glarealot
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:33:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:Andski wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:No in order to join GSF coms you need to provide all this information. And anyways only reason to know complete asset list is to probe out the big fish and hack their account...or gank them...you know that there are sites where once you have the API you can see where assets are in real time? what do they put in the water these days? goddamn There are a whole lot of members in goons. You don't think there is a hacker in there somewhere. And yes, the API can be used to verify assets and potential targets; and Teamspeak and Ventrilo can provide means to hack a players system afterwords. Pretty sure I've had it happen a few times. Also, there doesn't have to be anything in the water. You're playing a game where nobody can trust anybody, and Goonswarm happens to be on the top of the list of those not to trust. If you can't trust someone in game, why would you trust them in real life?
Posting on this forum also provides a means to hack a player's system. Doesn't mean it will ever happen. Unless you get unlucky and have some hollywood CSI criminal superhacker that can somehow hook his computer to his brain and will it to do what otherwise should be virtually impossible. Then, sure... it could happen I guess. |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
3
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:You are wrong....read the site Ok. GÇ£The above URL gives you output that is exactly what CCP gives youGÇ¥ I.e. subject to the 6h cache. Not real-time. Quote:ALSO still looking for answer as to why goons wants complete asset list You've already been given it: for the same reason everyone else asks for it.
6h stand corrected....but 6 hours is still enough...generally most ppl dont update assets ever so meh..close enough to real time....
anyways still changing subject here
....looking for reasons that anyone would need to see my asset list that dont insult my intelligence..... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4601
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:35:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:Oh goons...please stop trying to to change the subject....no answer has been given... Plenty have been given, but none of them align with your silly ramblings because they are just that: silly ramblings (with exactly zero connection to reality).
Quote:Corp theft is not valid reason. Don't be silly GÇö of course it is.
Quote:other corps do it is not valid. Sure it is GÇö it proves your assertions wrong, for one.
Quote:Hacking accounts or selling the information to someone who will hack the account is a valid inter alliance tactic? Good thing no-one is doing that, then, since the API doesn't let you.
Glarealot wrote:Wait, that's your answer? He's probably hoping the OP will admit to selling supers to the enemy. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Prince Kobol
176
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:35:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:Tippia wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:You are wrong....read the site Ok. GÇ£The above URL gives you output that is exactly what CCP gives youGÇ¥ I.e. subject to the 6h cache. Not real-time. Quote:ALSO still looking for answer as to why goons wants complete asset list You've already been given it: for the same reason everyone else asks for it. 6h stand corrected....but 6 hours is still enough...generally most ppl dont update assets ever so meh..close enough to real time.... anyways still changing subject here ....looking for reasons that anyone would need to see my asset list that dont insult my intelligence.....
You have yet to answer my own question.
Does this directly effects you?
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1757
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:36:00 -
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the reason we require asset access is so that worthless idiots like you would post dumb threads about it andski for csm7~ |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
3
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:38:00 -
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Account hacking is a bad thing and effects everyone....no one should be taking that subject lightly...as it seems all the goons and alts seem to be doing....
if you are heading an alliance you should be beyond reproach on this subject...as caretakers..or even gankers...you should not be adopting a policy that is so obviously suspect to account hacking...find some other way to gank your noobs that doesnt look so suspect....
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
910
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:39:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:Tippia wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:You are wrong....read the site Ok. GÇ£The above URL gives you output that is exactly what CCP gives youGÇ¥ I.e. subject to the 6h cache. Not real-time. Quote:ALSO still looking for answer as to why goons wants complete asset list You've already been given it: for the same reason everyone else asks for it. 6h stand corrected....but 6 hours is still enough...generally most ppl dont update assets ever so meh..close enough to real time.... anyways still changing subject here ....looking for reasons that anyone would need to see my asset list that dont insult my intelligence.....
No, you are looking for someone to agree with you... and anyone that has ever been in corp or alliance leadership understands that corp/alliance security is very shaky in EVE (likely by design).
It's not a question of whether you can trust a given corp or alliance (if you don't, don't join)... rather it's a question of whether or not they can trust YOU. They are fully justified in using whatever means at their disposal to try and weed out liars, corp thieves, slackers, leaches, and spies.
They have thousands of people to keep an eye on, but you only have one thing on your plate... do you want to join them or not. Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
3
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:40:00 -
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Andski wrote:the reason we require asset access is so that worthless idiots like you would post dumb threads about it
mission accomplished...another childish reason to demand asset api info.....as are all the other corp theft is not valid...assuming guilt before theft even happens...give me a break...childish....my house my rules? i think not im not 15....
There has yet to be a good reason why anyone needs to see your complete list of assets
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4601
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:41:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:Account hacking is a bad thing and effects everyone....no one should be taking that subject lightly...as it seems all the goons and alts seem to be doing.... The only one taking it less than seriously is you, with your wild fantasies about how it is done.
Quote:if you are heading an alliance you should be beyond reproach on this subject...as caretakers..or even gankers...you should not be adopting a policy that is so obviously suspect to account hacking. Good thing it doesn't do that, then.
Quote:corp theft is not valid Categorical statement is categorically false. Of course it's valid. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC 0ccupational Hazzard
144
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:42:00 -
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Confirming the OP is going to be purged executed by doomsday from goonfleet the moment they find out who his main is.
If you do not like the API access requirements of goon fleet, then leave it, stop whining on forums that nobody important in goons actually reads. Try kugu for that or actually evemailing your corp directors and such, yadda yadda. Posting on these forums does nothing but show how silly you are to everyone and how you feel like being a special snowflake in an alliance. |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
3
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:42:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Tippia wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:You are wrong....read the site Ok. GÇ£The above URL gives you output that is exactly what CCP gives youGÇ¥ I.e. subject to the 6h cache. Not real-time. Quote:ALSO still looking for answer as to why goons wants complete asset list You've already been given it: for the same reason everyone else asks for it. 6h stand corrected....but 6 hours is still enough...generally most ppl dont update assets ever so meh..close enough to real time.... anyways still changing subject here ....looking for reasons that anyone would need to see my asset list that dont insult my intelligence..... No, you are looking for someone to agree with you... and anyone that has ever been in corp or alliance leadership understands that corp/alliance security is very shaky in EVE (likely by design). It's not a question of whether you can trust a given corp or alliance (if you don't, don't join)... rather it's a question of whether or not they can trust YOU. They are fully justified in using whatever means at their disposal to try and weed out liars, corp thieves, slackers, leaches, and spies. They have thousands of people to keep an eye on, but you only have one thing on your plate... do you want to join them or not.
You make babysitting on the internet seemlike a chore....all of this is automated...once you have api you run check see who biggest fish are...you know who has what and who has what worth taking.....
next scenario is the ganker with your api...runs check...know your ship fitting and what you are carrying....they know your skill queue andd can easily eft your fit to see what you are capable of....very easy and very scary |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
910
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:43:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:Andski wrote:the reason we require asset access is so that worthless idiots like you would post dumb threads about it mission accomplished...another childish reason to demand asset api info.....as are all the other corp theft is not valid...assuming guilt before theft even happens...give me a break...childish....my house my rules? i think not im not 15.... There has yet to be a good reason why anyone needs to see your complete list of assets
Their reason could be that it allows them to admire your choice in Nex wear, and if that is sufficient for themselves and their membership that is more than good enough. What you personally consider a good reason is completely irrelevant. Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
3
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:43:00 -
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These are not fantasies...I do not believe in luck only calculated risk.....basically goons are at best gathering info to stack the deck in their favour at worst participating in account hacking |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4601
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:44:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:You make babysitting on the internet seemlike a chore....all of this is automated. So you understand, then, why they want your API and why it has nothing to do with picking targets?
Quote:next scenario is the ganker with your api...runs check...know your ship fitting and what you are carrying GǪand finds nothing since the information is not real-time.
Quote:very easy and very scary No. Just paranoid (but I suppose that's scary too, in a way).
Quote:These are not fantasies Excellent. Then you can go ahead and prove it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
3
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:45:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Andski wrote:the reason we require asset access is so that worthless idiots like you would post dumb threads about it mission accomplished...another childish reason to demand asset api info.....as are all the other corp theft is not valid...assuming guilt before theft even happens...give me a break...childish....my house my rules? i think not im not 15.... There has yet to be a good reason why anyone needs to see your complete list of assets Their reason could be that it allows them to admire your choice in Nex wear, and if that is sufficient for themselves and their membership that is more than good enough. What you personally consider a good reason is completely irrelevant.
Again because daddy said so is not an answer....why does daddy say so is the reason we are looking for.....
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Messoroz
AQUILA INC 0ccupational Hazzard
144
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:46:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:These are not fantasies...I do not believe in luck only calculated risk.....basically goons are at best gathering info to stack the deck in their favour at worst participating in account hacking
Why are you even trying to push this silly propoganda? You sound like a complete idiot with complete lack of knowledge of how anything works. You can't hack an account using the API, and you can't hack an account without having the actual username(which the API never reveals) and running a brute force attack for the next year which will get you blacklisted from the eve servers in the first 10 minutes.
Want to know what my corp requires or any major wormhole space entity? FULL API, EVERYTHING, if your entire API access is not enabled, you will never get into any such entity in wormhole space and they are just as capable as goons if they wanted to "1337 hax" like you dare imagine. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4601
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:46:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:Again because daddy said so is not an answer. It is as long as you live under his roof. Don't want to do as he says? Stop living there.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4601
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:47:00 -
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Also, yoink. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
19
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:47:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:These are not fantasies...I do not believe in luck only calculated risk.....basically goons are at best gathering info to stack the deck in their favour at worst participating in account hacking Why are you even trying to push this silly propoganda? You sound like a complete idiot with complete lack of knowledge of how anything works. You can't hack an account using the API, and you can't hack an account without having the actual username(which the API never reveals) and running a brute force attack for the next year which will get you blacklisted from the eve servers in the first 10 minutes.
You are an idiot...you use api to find who is worth the time and effort to hack...there are many methods available once you find the target...just because you dont know them doesnt mean they dont exist |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
910
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:47:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Andski wrote:the reason we require asset access is so that worthless idiots like you would post dumb threads about it mission accomplished...another childish reason to demand asset api info.....as are all the other corp theft is not valid...assuming guilt before theft even happens...give me a break...childish....my house my rules? i think not im not 15.... There has yet to be a good reason why anyone needs to see your complete list of assets Their reason could be that it allows them to admire your choice in Nex wear, and if that is sufficient for themselves and their membership that is more than good enough. What you personally consider a good reason is completely irrelevant. Again because daddy said so is not an answer....why does daddy say so is the reason we are looking for.....
Frankly, it's none of your business... although out of courtesy others have attempted to educate you. Emphasis on attempted. Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
19
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:48:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Andski wrote:the reason we require asset access is so that worthless idiots like you would post dumb threads about it mission accomplished...another childish reason to demand asset api info.....as are all the other corp theft is not valid...assuming guilt before theft even happens...give me a break...childish....my house my rules? i think not im not 15.... There has yet to be a good reason why anyone needs to see your complete list of assets Their reason could be that it allows them to admire your choice in Nex wear, and if that is sufficient for themselves and their membership that is more than good enough. What you personally consider a good reason is completely irrelevant. Again because daddy said so is not an answer....why does daddy say so is the reason we are looking for..... Frankly, it's none of your business... although out of courtesy others have attempted to educate you. Emphasis on attempted.
LOL it is none of my business why someone wants to see my asset list....huh? |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8175
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:49:00 -
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You want the truth, buddy? I'll lay it on you.
The reason why Goonswarm wants this information is shut up and comply, this alliance has never been a democracy. You either do what Solo Drakban requests of you or you get out because Solo controls the forums and if you do not understand why that is the most important thing then you don't need to be in Goonswarm. I am sure there are reasons with regards to game mechanics or with regards to an evil conspiracy regarding the reptilian shadow government and the Illuminati mind control lasers, but all of that is fluff. You do it because Solo Drakban put out a broadcast, and you do what Solo Drakban says to do or you find yourself a different Alliance. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC 0ccupational Hazzard
145
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:49:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:Messoroz wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:These are not fantasies...I do not believe in luck only calculated risk.....basically goons are at best gathering info to stack the deck in their favour at worst participating in account hacking Why are you even trying to push this silly propoganda? You sound like a complete idiot with complete lack of knowledge of how anything works. You can't hack an account using the API, and you can't hack an account without having the actual username(which the API never reveals) and running a brute force attack for the next year which will get you blacklisted from the eve servers in the first 10 minutes. You are an idiot...you use api to find who is worth the time and effort to hack...there are many methods available once you find the target...just because you dont know them doesnt mean they dont exist
Right, so you can spam them with evemails linking to phishing links, these evemails exist ingame, if you get hacked afterwards, you petition and said attackers will be permabanned and erased from the game.
You can also spam their actual email accounts with phishing junk but you need to first get their email address, then if they are truely ******** you get them. They can still petition and get their account restored.
You can somehow infect them with a virus via email or something silly, again, single petition and the GMs FIX IT.
You can bruteforce their account password and somehow not get banned by the firewalls, again the GMs will hammer time the account.
If they use the account access to spy instead guess what! EVE records all access IPs and locations that you can see from account management. |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
19
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:51:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:You want the truth, buddy? I'll lay it on you.
The reason why Goonswarm wants this information is shut up and comply, this alliance has never been a democracy. You either do what Solo Drakban requests of you or you get out because Solo controls the forums and if you do not understand why that is the most important thing then you don't need to be in Goonswarm. I am sure there are reasons with regards to game mechanics or with regards to an evil conspiracy regarding the reptilian shadow government and the Illuminati mind control lasers, but all of that is fluff. You do it because Solo Drakban put out a broadcast, and you do what Solo Drakban says to do or you find yourself a different Alliance.
still not valid answer...because daddy says so is not valid answer |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4601
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:51:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:You are an idiot...you use api to find who is worth the time and effort to hack...there are many methods available once you find the target...just because you dont know them doesnt mean they dont exist So prove it rather than spout what can only be described as hysterical nonsense. So far, pretty much everything you've said has been trivially proven false. Care to improve on that statistic?
Quote:LOL it is none of my business why someone wants to see my asset list....huh? Yup. What they want is entirely irrelevant GÇö what matters is whether or not you want to go along.
Quote:still not valid answer. Try arguing your case instead of making unfounded categorical statements. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
19
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:52:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Messoroz wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:These are not fantasies...I do not believe in luck only calculated risk.....basically goons are at best gathering info to stack the deck in their favour at worst participating in account hacking Why are you even trying to push this silly propoganda? You sound like a complete idiot with complete lack of knowledge of how anything works. You can't hack an account using the API, and you can't hack an account without having the actual username(which the API never reveals) and running a brute force attack for the next year which will get you blacklisted from the eve servers in the first 10 minutes. You are an idiot...you use api to find who is worth the time and effort to hack...there are many methods available once you find the target...just because you dont know them doesnt mean they dont exist Right, so you can spam them with evemails linking to phishing links, these evemails exist ingame, if you get hacked afterwards, you petition and said attackers will be permabanned and erased from the game. You can also spam their actual email accounts with phishing junk but you need to first get their email address, then if they are truely ******** you get them. They can still petition and get their account restored. You can somehow infect them with a virus via email or something silly, again, single petition and the GMs FIX IT. You can bruteforce their account password and somehow not get banned by the firewalls, again the GMs will hammer time the account. If they use the account access to spy instead guess what! EVE records all access IPs and locations that you can see from account management.
Your 100 billion of assets gets sold for 5 billion...guess what you get back...5 billion...it is called asset laundering..... |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
19
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:You are an idiot...you use api to find who is worth the time and effort to hack...there are many methods available once you find the target...just because you dont know them doesnt mean they dont exist So prove it rather than spout what can only be described as hysterical nonsense. So far, pretty much everything you've said has been trivially proven false. Care to improve on that statistic? Quote:LOL it is none of my business why someone wants to see my asset list....huh? Yup. What they want is entirely irrelevant GÇö what matters is whether or not you want to go along.
you havent added anything to the discussion of relevance so nothing to disprove...only answer so far is because i said so...that is not a valid answer
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