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My Honest opinion,
take it or leave it, boot out me out of the alliance if you will, but here is my say

ISS is full of freeloaders, who want the good times but when the bad times come around are no where to be seen, except on the market hiking the prices

I see in gangs the same very few faces time and time again (you know who you are, your reading this , those who dont participate are not reading this because they dont care).

I joined ISS because I took a break from the game, and when I came back I got a new character and saw a recruitment post from a old adversary that I respected, I thought i was joining a well run, motivated and organised corps/allaince

My corps (TKB) is dedicated and well run and totally focused, and that is why I stay, ISS as an alliance needs to get its act together. I am thinking about changing corps, TKB are great, but unless we as an alliance start working together, we are going no where.

I wuld much prefer a 200 man dedicated alliance, than what we have now, a 1500 man alliance with 1300 taking no real part and showing no dedication

Whatever happens in this war ISS will be a loser, BOB has their own interests to protect, and ISS are not among their proirities (we had to give up our stations, and BOB has shown they cannot protect us, look at the RISE situation). We should be looking at what is in ISS interests, no one elses. It looks to me as a simple member that we are being dragged along by BOB when we should be looking at what is best for us
You want a proposal?
here is a realistic one:
1.drop the dead weight in the alliance
2.drop out of the war
3.go back to empire and rebuild a solid base
4.rebuild on a PVP base, forget the isk for now, become a real fighting force first
5.ISS stay out of all politics in future, set our own aims and ambitions and screw everyone else


Now shoot me down in flames or boot me outta the alliance,

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I completely acknowledge that falling outs of who owns which constellation will often lead to war, or when one alliance moves harshly against another then things will turn ugly from there.

Deaell Portt your very quick to jump in and say that this is the first ISS wardec, and that its a great tactical decision the count has made. Okay great based on what.

We are a smaller force spread out over many systems so there is no advantage there.....

We are not gaining any systems or resources in this war no advantage there.....
Many are recovering from substantial losses in recent Battles and using the time between now and the 20th to recover ships and isk, wardec doesnt help with that so again no advantage.

Well after thinking about it the only people who really get an advantage from this is hmmmm IAC as they dont need to fly to fountain any more to run cowadly hit and run ops when they can now do this throughout empire.

One last point, Any alliance is made up of the collective time and efforts of all those people within it, me myself am new to the alliance but have spent all of my time and isk on ships and materials to move to fountain to defend the Alliances first claimed home, how many CEO's where consulted and asked if now was the right time to be committed to a war.
Velox

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The Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp [NCIC] is being removed from the alliance for the foreseeable future.

Kaisair and I will continue to pursue our own ambitions. The other members of the corporation will be dissolved, and will be looking for new homes themselves, inside or outside ISS as they please.

Decisions were made. This is not a volentary departure, and it is not on good terms. Nothing more needs to be said.

We had some great times with the alliance. Feel free to drop us a message from time to time. We might get lonely out there in space.

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ISSO is returning all IPO capital. The dividend paid today will be the final dividend paid. Shareholders owning more than 200 shares can contact Stins for direct repayment.
ISSO will maintain a buy order on RESX to buy back all other shares.
Ionia also volunteered to buy back the ISSO shares. Get in touch with her to transfer your shares to isk.

Ionia is offering to take your ISSO shares in exchange for his bonds which will pay 6%. Contact Ionia to obtain these 6% bonds.

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Originally by: Italian Wedding

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So what is this thread REALLY about?

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Originally by: Kaaii

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No one cares what one alt-corp member thinks about global issues...

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Originally by: dev1lwoman

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ISS are kicking long term corps out of the alliance, the IPO is being scrapped and the members are rebelling against BOB

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Originally by: dev1lwoman

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Edited by: dev1lwoman on 08/11/2007 23:39:01

Originally by: Kaaii

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No one cares what one alt-corp member thinks about global issues...

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I dont care what you think about what I think, however the facts that ISS are are kicking long term corps out of the alliance, the IPO is being scrapped and the members are rebelling against BOB is not what i think, it is what they are saying.. and that is worthy of comment..

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Originally by: Italian Wedding

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Originally by: dev1lwoman

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ISS are kicking long term corps out of the alliance, the IPO is being scrapped and the members are rebelling against BOB

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Aaahaha. THAT's what this thread is about. Why didn't you just say so?

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Originally by: dev1lwoman

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I wuld much prefer a 200 man dedicated alliance, than what we have now, a 1500 man alliance with 1300 taking no real part and showing no dedication

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Originally by: dev1lwoman

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Edited by: dev1lwoman on 08/11/2007 23:47:23
BTW Count is on holiday.. so if the mothership is seen in space I would suspect that some one has borrowed it without permission

because obviously arranging for someone else to fly it if needed on counts account would be against the EULA, so that wont happen will it
Never mind NYE I am sure your alt will be able to fly one legitamtly soon

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Originally by: Impretinent

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What happens on the 20th?

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Originally by: Antion

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Originally by: dev1lwoman

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Edited by: dev1lwoman on 08/11/2007 23:47:23
BTW Count is on holiday.. so if the mothership is seen in space I would suspect that some one has borrowed it without permission

because obviously arranging for someone else to fly it if needed on counts account would be against the EULA, so that wont happen will it
Never mind NYE I am sure your alt will be able to fly one legitamtly soon

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He might of handed it over you know. It is an ALLIANCE asset, not necessarily just his.

As for the rest of the OP, tell me honestly, do any of you goons and such really care about ISS? in the big scheme of things, we are rather small

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Originally by: laotse

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pleaese dev get alive and grow up is funy you are the only one thingking this kind of post is stil necesary ?? nobody wants them and nobody reads them its just carbage

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Originally by: laotse

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pleaese dev get alive and grow up is funy you are the only one thingking this kind of post is stil necesary ?? nobody wants them and nobody reads them its just carbage

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Originally by: Impretinent

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What happens on the 20th?

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Originally by: nye 2k

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i only have a mothership? Intresting

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Originally by: Crimson Ghostly

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i always confuse iss with fix anyone else do that?

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Originally by: Moon Kitten

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Sometimes you bet on the wrong horse.

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Originally by: dev1lwoman

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Edited by: dev1lwoman on 08/11/2007 23:47:23
BTW Count is on holiday.. so if the mothership is seen in space I would suspect that some one has borrowed it without permission

because obviously arranging for someone else to fly it if needed on counts account would be against the EULA, so that wont happen will it
Never mind NYE I am sure your alt will be able to fly one legitamtly soon

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Originally by: Vile rat

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The OP isn't a goon, they are just some idiot.

Not that the two are mutually exclusive or anything.

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Originally by: Vile rat

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The OP isn't a goon, they are just some idiot.

Not that the two are mutually exclusive or anything.

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Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke

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God I love a fresh hot batch of chatn0rp.

Karma biting ISS on the buttocks for having tried to stamp out IAC, many times over.

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Originally by: Orangir

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“Puny little man,” the distorted, baritone voice boomed, a distinct note of amusement still present, “I will make you my plaything now!” Anexian shrank from the massive woman, clearly intimidated by her massive presence and the incredible physical toughness granted to her by her awesome bulk. With a terrible sloshing, Lady Scarlet began to move, heaving herself, an unstoppable juggernaut, towards Anexian. He scrambled for purchase against the slick metallic ground and dove away from her approach just in time to evade the wet smack of Lady Scarlet’s moist body impacting the blast doors behind him.

Anexian rose quickly and prepared for the worst. Instead, the storage bay was calm and quiet, the only noise was Lady Scarlet’s laboured wheezing, a result of her tremendous physical effort. She had wedged herself into the frame of the door and struggled feebly, futilely for freedom from it. Anexian summoned what remained of his shaken courage and began the final chapter of his final mission.

“I’ve got you just where I want you,” he said unsteadily, as he stood half-naked behind Lady Scarlet and activated his plasma torch. Lady Scarlet’s efforts to free herself doubled with the *****ling hum of the torch’s blade. A mumbling sound came through the door – the guards were outside, and it wouldn’t be long until they opened the door and were in the storage bay. Anexian would have no time to hesitate. With a blood-curdling shout, he charged into the bulk of the monster before him, hewing off great ribbons and chunks of cauterized flesh.

Lady Scarlet’s shrill screams slowly began to wear down Anexian’s sanity and his efforts were intensified by his fear. It wasn’t long until he had carved himself a path to his goal through the innumerable layers and folds of skin and flesh: an ovary. He activated his personal shield which fizzed and flickered as it held back the quivering flesh which sought to swallow the little man and oozed thick blood around him. Wisps of sickening, acrid smoke of burning flesh and blood began to slowly turn and coalesce in the still air of the bubble. Turning his head and grimacing in reluctance, he stabbed down into the white, egg-shaped structure of Lady Scarlet’s ovary. The walls shook with the shriek emitted by Lady Scarlet and the metallic echoes multiplied its horror.

Anexian fought back the nausea in his gut and unbuckled his pants. After a few unsteady strokes with fumbling, groping hands, he quickly entered the zone and was soon ready to complete his mission. As he guided his thickly-veined member into the jiggling hole he had stabbed in Lady Scarlet’s ovary, he closed his eyes and began thinking of better times. Thrusting rhythmically, his trained meditation and fantasizing brought him to distant times and locales, erotic, perverse and favourite places, away from the horror which surrounded him and assaulted his senses.

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Originally by: laotse

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pleaese dev get alive and grow up is funy you are the only one thingking this kind of post is stil necesary ?? nobody wants them and nobody reads them its just carbage

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Originally by: Splagada

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no. i live in belgium. if sky was lower it would be below the ground

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Originally by: Antion

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As for the rest of the OP, tell me honestly, do any of you goons and such really care about ISS? in the big scheme of things, we are rather small

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Originally by: Antion

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As for the rest of the OP, tell me honestly, do any of you goons and such really care about ISS? in the big scheme of things, we are rather small

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i care about iss ^_^

count is my speshul friend and thats pretty much why we keep ruining your alliance

maybe he should have listened to me da first time and not messed with my brosef tyrrax

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Originally by: dev1lwoman

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Edited by: dev1lwoman on 08/11/2007 23:33:49
QUOTES BY ISS MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE ISS MANAGEMENT TEAM MADE THIS WEEK ON ISS FORUMS

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Originally by: laotse

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pleaese dev get alive and grow up is funy you are the only one thingking this kind of post is stil necesary ?? nobody wants them and nobody reads them its just carbage

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Originally by: Wink

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ISS died a long time ago when they lost the long time corps because of the mis-management and some corrupt leadership that existed. They killed it when they allowed the freeloaders and gougers to return and screwed the longterm corps that stuck around through thick and thin.

See at one point they actually had people that cared about not only the name of ISS but what happened to the ISS members. Once leadership showed that they were the ones that did not care about the members, that is when their fate was sealed for good.

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Originally by: Vile rat

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The OP isn't a goon, they are just some idiot.

Not that the two are mutually exclusive or anything.

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Originally by: Packtu'sa

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Originally by: Wink

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ISS died a long time ago when they lost the long time corps because of the mis-management and some corrupt leadership that existed. They killed it when they allowed the freeloaders and gougers to return and screwed the longterm corps that stuck around through thick and thin.

See at one point they actually had people that cared about not only the name of ISS but what happened to the ISS members. Once leadership showed that they were the ones that did not care about the members, that is when their fate was sealed for good.

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Good to hear from you again, Chris.

I'm laughing at the moment because, oddly enough, I totally agree with you on what you posted above, particularly the second half. We're undoubtedly referring to different events and whatnot, but hey, it's a damn similar sentiment.

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Originally by: laotse

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pleaese dev get alive and grow up is funy you are the only one thingking this kind of post is stil necesary ?? nobody wants them and nobody reads them its just carbage

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Originally by: Niraco79

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Originally by: Vile rat

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The OP isn't a goon, they are just some idiot.

Not that the two are mutually exclusive or anything.

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When a BoB and a Goon agree on something u know there is something terribly wrong in the universe.....ah i know is the cowards alt posts (pro bob and pro goon alike)

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Originally by: UneFraiseDansUneChaise

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Originally by: Niraco79

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Originally by: Vile rat

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The OP isn't a goon, they are just some idiot.

Not that the two are mutually exclusive or anything.

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When a BoB and a Goon agree on something u know there is something terribly wrong in the universe.....ah i know is the cowards alt posts (pro bob and pro goon alike)

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Why, does DaFuzz not count anymore or something?

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Originally by: Empyre

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i can't believe i turned my filter off for this. last time i fall for 'hey man, you've gotta check out this thread'.

i want my minute and a half back.

(PS. your spies still suck, goons. they misquoted a forum post and had mittens mittani get a ton of people to spam the iss member they misquoted the post as being from?)

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Originally by: The Mittani

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but hey im enjoying docking in yet more former iss stations dats pretty cool

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Originally by: Dafuzz

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Originally by: The Mittani

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but hey im enjoying docking in yet more former iss stations dats pretty cool

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Whoa, donut take much to amuse you

Furthermore,

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Originally by: The Mittani

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donuts are pretty awesome theres a krispy kreme right near here

problem is that i dont want to get fat :(((

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Originally by: Dafuzz

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I think they should have stayed neutral to everyone, that was what they touted in the beginning. As a matter of fact, as impossible as it sounds, I would really like ISS to go back to their roots as a neutral entity beloved by everyone, no matter who, that makes isk for all comers via their IPO's and continuing support of the community at large, a place where all were welcome except proven hostile entities. It was a good thing for Eve in my opinion, and I am sad to see it go. Besides, I liked ganking neutral haulers

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Originally by: Dafuzz

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I think they should have stayed neutral to everyone, that was what they touted in the beginning. As a matter of fact, as impossible as it sounds, I would really like ISS to go back to their roots as a neutral entity beloved by everyone, no matter who, that makes isk for all comers via their IPO's and continuing support of the community at large, a place where all were welcome except proven hostile entities. It was a good thing for Eve in my opinion, and I am sad to see it go. Besides, I liked ganking neutral haulers

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Originally by: Asok2

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Wasn't IAC operating on NRDS policy before BoB invaded Catch and as such serving a similar purpose?
Just sayin'

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Originally by: Empyre

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i can't believe i turned my filter off for this. last time i fall for 'hey man, you've gotta check out this thread'.

i want my minute and a half back.

(PS. your spies still suck, goons. they misquoted a forum post and had mittens mittani get a ton of people to spam the iss member they misquoted the post as being from?)

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i really have no idea what your trying to say here its pretty incoherent

but hey im enjoying docking in yet more former iss stations dats pretty cool

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Originally by: Deaell Portt

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Ahh some PR at least. Mighty Goons saw us, spy us, stalking us :-). Why u dont quote what i say in that topic :-( or others pilots from ISS.

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I think I speak for some of the alliance when I say we are tired of being told to fight fight fight with no end in sight. We now have no home and no prospects of having one in the near future. People are tired of being told to do stuff with no good explanation as to why or where it is going.

We gave up everything we fought very hard for. For what?? NOTHING

Maybe that is why only 7 out of 800 people show up to ops. How can you blame them?
We all pay to play and to have fun and not all of us consider PVP fun.
I had no problem with PVP when it was to defend our home but now that is a thing of the past, fighting for someone else to have a home or to just gain some extra space while we sit in limbo just seems a little pointless. Tons of pilots are losing isk and assets when we have no where to go to make that back.

So now we move again to another temporary system. Why?? so we can settle down and be told in a week or so that we have to move yet again.
Forgive me please but I don't get it.

My hats off to Collos and Trentor for bringing this up since I know this is what most ISS people are thinking and just don't want to say it because they don't want to get flak from the higher ups or even worse a BLACK MARK.....(oh noes)

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I have plenty of black marks already.
I am vocal about the alliance I am a member of, becuase I am part of it I believe I should have a say in its direction . I am expected to put my hard earned isk on the line for the alliance and in return I expect the alliance leadership to at least hear a point of view that differs from theirs,I am outspoken and often critical, but that does not mean I am not loyal

My concern is now is that we have forgotten about ISS and what we should/want to be doing, instead we are doing what ever BOB desires us to do, we are not a servant of BOB and we should start to make decisions SOLELY on wether they benefit ISS and its rank and file members.

IMHO we will get pushed back again and again from system to system as the war reaches its climax, ISS with no direction apart from stay with and support BOB will bleed members.

I said it before on these forums. It is time for ISS to take its destiny back. set an objective that is ISS's and go for that. and if that means going back to Empire to rebuild for a whaile than so be it, it is better than a slow death wandering space and someone elses beck and call.

I also appluad those ISS members above who have the courage to give a different point of view to the image projected by our leaders.

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Originally by: dev1lwoman

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OK I will quote some of the other ISS pilots if you insist.

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Originally by: Dafuzz

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I think they should have stayed neutral to everyone, that was what they touted in the beginning. As a matter of fact, as impossible as it sounds, I would really like ISS to go back to their roots as a neutral entity beloved by everyone, no matter who, that makes isk for all comers via their IPO's and continuing support of the community at large, a place where all were welcome except proven hostile entities. It was a good thing for Eve in my opinion, and I am sad to see it go. Besides, I liked ganking neutral haulers

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Originally by: Empyre

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i won't speak for my alliance, but i personally am glad we are not. it seems to look ok on paper, but it is impossible to maintain, especially across so many regions. people exploit the nature of NRDS to discredit or provoke the alliance trying to maintain it and you just cannot please everyone. NRDS is a pipe dream in my opinion. it never works for too long.

plus, pvp is mo' bettah. and NRDS doesn't yield too many targets.

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Originally by: Omega Man

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Here is a clue for the rank and file of ISS.


Hmm here's one for you, no asked you for any clues save them for your Corp ty.

The leadership is trying to keep you in 0.0 space.

You clearly dont have the ability to hold any yourselves so they hope that assisting BOB will at least extend the period of time you remain in said 0.0.

Actually we are quite capable of holding are space, now whether we actually choose to or have a different Idea of what we will do, is all together different and thus the appearance as it may seem does not affect us although in earnest I may be misleading you or maybe not


The leaderships failing was letting the carebears into the alliance in the first place.


Once again you make an assumption for obvious reasons it appears you have no clue what your talking about as ISS started as an Industrial Corp, there fore removing the Carebears as you call them would also be like removing are leadership, witch I am happy to say will never happen, but keep going mate your on a roll, care for some butter?


Kick the carebears out now, the only thing they will add to your alliance right now is a lot of complaining and stirring up trouble.


I think I have already answered that one next!


Its best to cut this out before it taints everyone.

If you dont like it, get used to empire, coz that is your next move.

Your Insight is really remarkable, may be you should come and run the alliance, oh wait that right, I totally forget your to busy giving fly by the toilet seat advice well may be next time then


Forget all this nonsense about setting your own agenda, the carebears have dragged you too low for that to be possible in any significant way.



Unlike your fruitful comments here I donÆt see how we can get any lower unless of course you raise the seat


Like a good many alliances before you and a good few after you this conclusion has been reached:


Really I am so happy to hear that, I heard some one preach the gospel of how things are done correctly and he told his people, so because he wanted the very best for them, and he had them drink from the fruit juice of life in an old steel barrel.

Care for a drink Jim Jones

If your not prepared to fight for it, you wont have it.

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Originally by: Sgt Napalm

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ISS will never die. The leadership and managers are all aligned and share a common goal. Corps move on but the alliance will always remain.


To all my old corp mates looking for a home, give me a shout in game and I'll see if I can assist you.


Sarge Out

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Originally by: Vasectomizer

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ISS changed a lot sadly from the "old days", the public outposts and NRDS ROE and all of that, and some bad decisions were made since then that kinda took some of the steam out of the alliance, hence my departure. I enjoyed my time though, some good times back in ISS.

Also fun dying the other night with you on sisi. Damn turtle gangs

<- solarwinds

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You clearly dont have the ability to hold any yourselves so they hope that assisting BOB will at least extend the period of time you remain in said 0.0.

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Originally by: Fitzter

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LOL Like you know anything...every attempt to take Eso from us failed miserably.We left because our leaders told us to not because we had too.

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Originally by: Abn Matar

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Originally by: Fitzter

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LOL Like you know anything...every attempt to take Eso from us failed miserably.We left because our leaders told us to not because we had too.

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Sorry, i have to reply to this.

You just left a part of space that someone was unable to take from you, just because youre leaders told you too? How in the world (or universe) does that make sense?

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Originally by: Fitzter

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You clearly dont have the ability to hold any yourselves so they hope that assisting BOB will at least extend the period of time you remain in said 0.0.

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LOL Like you know anything...every attempt to take Eso from us failed miserably.We left because our leaders told us to not because we had too.

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Originally by: Empyre

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some of us understand a clear and present chain of command. and the value of following orders first and leaving the questioning and accountability for when the mistakes are made. no one is perfect.

in other news... this thread isn't dead yet? this is the thread that never ends.. yes it goes on and on my friends. 4 pages for an alliance thats been permanently dead 3 times. come on guys, let's get it right this time. D.E.A.D.

let's die right this time. the enemy says so.

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Originally by: Fitzter

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You clearly dont have the ability to hold any yourselves so they hope that assisting BOB will at least extend the period of time you remain in said 0.0.

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LOL Like you know anything...every attempt to take Eso from us failed miserably.We left because our leaders told us to not because we had too.

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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd

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it died from 11/15 until today, until. oh yeah, someone from iss started it up again.

so um, your alliance won't let the thread die. unlike your alliance's plethora of public ventures (share offerings / ipos).

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Originally by: Wylker

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OP: Welcome to a year ago.

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Originally by: Kortalis Hellion

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just out of curiousity where did iss move to?

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Originally by: Abn Matar

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ISS, please bring MOM's to the battle, we so much would like to kill more of them for you...

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Originally by: Impretinent

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What happens on the 20th?

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Originally by: The Mittani

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four pages and all ive learned is that brobuck is a terrible poster and so is empyre

also that iss is still pretty delusional despite it all

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Originally by: Vissegerd Trevayne

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About loosing space...try not to loose it when You're not a BoB and the whole southern coalition clash You. Maybe some objectivism...?

V.

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Originally by: Vissegerd Trevayne

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As for 3month old Goon You've to buy and train skill objectivism at least at lvl 4.Then we'll speak again.

V.

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