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Grok Newbie Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.16 02:27:00 - [61] Originally by: Lao Pyr So far I would say yes on an early iMac with Leopard. In about 10 hours of play I have had only two crashes and one disconnect. However, I am now running in windowed mode only! In full screen mode, crashes do not crash your OS X, however you can't use expose, spaces, alt-tab etc... to go to your OS X desktop and force quit Eve, the only way out is a hard reboot. Therefore the need to run in windowed mode. Hope this gets fixed. did you try cmd-alt-esc? this worked always for me.
Nomenclate	Posted - 2007.11.16 07:48:00 - [62] Yes Here's Why I say yes. I was in the eve beta, and have played on and off since 2003. I was a Windows user up until about 6 months ago. I was very pleased to see a Mac client for Eve. My expirence to date with the Mac client (about a week) has been IMHO no different than the expirence I had in the past with the PC client. --Nomenclate.
Azgahran	Posted - 2007.11.16 14:36:00 - [63] I did some testing yesterday, and from what I have seen so far I'd say it's working as well as the Windows client for me. This weekend I'll try some level 4 missions. Maybe I'll change my mind after that... I'm using an iMac (I think second generation) with 2 GHz core 2 duo and 1 Gb RAM, running Tiger 10.4.11. It would, however, be nice with an extra resolution step between 1300-something and 1600-something (can't remember the exact numbers).
Baron Erique Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.16 17:13:00 - [64] Edited by: Baron Erique on 16/11/2007 17:13:55 YES The first couple of days, I would have said no. I had consistent freezes (at least once an hour) that required me to force quit EVE. Each time my settings would be corrupted and I would have to redo them the next time I started the client. After the first few days, however, the freezes became far less frequent. I think I've had four since a week ago (maybe about 50 hours of the client being open, fullscreen mode). In addition, my settings no longer get corrupted when there is a freeze. So, my vote is YES, I would (and did) buy a subscription. 1st-gen Core Duo iMac, 2GB memory, 256MB Radeon X1600 Edit: Forgot to mention I'm running Leopard.
Telekon Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.17 04:29:00 - [65] YES Works great on my Macbook Pro. Everything I hoped for, really. If only performance on my Mac Mini were as good.
Sven Nakamura	Posted - 2007.11.17 08:28:00 - [66] Edited by: Sven Nakamura on 17/11/2007 08:28:50 I'll wait. I'm intrigued and tantalized by the trial, and a pc-using friend keeps swearing to me that 0.0 space is an absolute blast. And I was a big fan of games like Elite and Escape Velocity back in the day. So I'm pretty sure I could become a big fan. But EVE is just not there yet. I think I'll probably wind up waiting about a week or so after my trial expires, then check back here to see if there's a new client out to fix all of these issues. I've got most of them... the disconnects, the freezes, nothing to actually crash OS X tho. But some of them are just plain absurd. CCP has managed to break something so simple as keyboard mapping! When loading EVE, I suddenly find the functions of my command and control keys swapped! Now, that is just plain sloppy. and... Originally by: Akrinos LuCont Edited by: Akrinos LuCont on 12/11/2007 19:26:37YES!: for any Tiger mac user.who doesnt tinker much with their mac. I will state that saying 'using OS X or higher' might be a little missleading for Leopard or advance mac users, perhaps they could have waited for Leopard to be released from apple and release the mac version at a later date. ^^^ That, I'm sorry, is just a load of dingos' kidneys. Leopard developers' previews have been out for many, many months. I have a stack of them sitting in a drawer at work. All of my code was Leopard-ready a couple of weeks before the big day. And when we got our GMs, they went right on the QA machines, they did a quick smoke test against the real thing, and we had our Leopard patches out in less than 2 business days. There's really no excuse for any other developer not doing the same, except pure laziness.
Taris Arrathan Minmatar Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.11.17 09:06:00 - [67] Imo using the Mac client is atm like running windows on PC..you need to know a few tricks to get things going. ;) MacBook Pro 2.33/3GB RAM Mac OS X 10.5
Flathom	Posted - 2007.11.17 15:07:00 - [68] Yes. I played the trial for 10 days and decided to sign up for a subscription yesterday. Crashes on my MBP have been frequent, but I have faith that these issues will be resolved in time. Great games on the Mac are few and far between, IMO, and I feel it's important to show support for those developers that are putting forth an effort. --------- MBP 2.16GHz 2GB OS X 10.5.1
Dors Venabily	Posted - 2007.11.17 16:01:00 - [69] As for the poll answer would be NOT yet Ok how the hell i can actually play window mode and run multiple client without editing some files i don't even know where they are at? No window mode from options (like hell i have to edit configuration file by hand?) limited resolution options. Dual client causes the mouse to stop respond when you switch command tab from fullscreen to fullscreen. Very very poor performance as compared to win with boot camp Iam talking 50% performance drop. Good job so far just have to wait maybe month or 2 and get these issues solved then il say thumbs up. leopard 10.5.1 Imac 24 inch 2.4 ghz 2 gigs ram
Viper Darkshine	Posted - 2007.11.17 18:13:00 - [70] Yes. While I have experienced some freezes and disconnects for the most part the Mac version has been working great for me and I have been able to play for hours at a time with no problems. Plus things should only improve in the future.

451F Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.17 23:12:00 - [71] Edited by: 451F on 17/11/2007 23:14:50 I have today had 4 lockups and 3 of them were due to clicking on missing portraits [!] in chat. Had to force-quit each time and one time lost part of my settings (not all). It has been fine apart from that. I wish I could get the game to start in Window mode by default. I wish Window mode was an option in the Graphics tab (I only see Fullscreen). Cmd-Enter is fine but to me this is an oversight. Also if you are in window mode, the menu bar shrinks about 30-40% across the screen, whenever the game window has focus (which looks weird).
Eva Ignosius	Posted - 2007.11.18 12:58:00 - [72] NO... Not unless they are willing to give me another trial period once they fix the connection issues. A friend of mine and I started up the trial at the same time to get away from WoW and I have yet to get past the 3rd part of the tutorial as I get disconnected every other minute. When I log back in i'm somewhere completely different with no clue on how to get back to where I started. Then, when I start browsin the map or askin for help..., disconnected again. Yes I made detailed reports on the issues and I recieved responses saying that it was a known issue and added to the case. However, my friend who actually enjoyed the game probably wont subscribe now and unless the above mentioned happens I won't be either .
Azgahran	Posted - 2007.11.18 18:24:00 - [73] I didn't get around to try level 4 missions, but I did try some level 3. The only complaint I have is performance. With lots of rats and drones circling performance drops quite a lot, but I still had about 20 fps at those times. Running missions in a system with 200 players in local might have had something to do with that too though... No crashes and no disconnects yet. Only problem I had was after having logged in and out a few times, then Finder went mad and various programs crashed. A reboot solved that though, and I can't say for certain the eve client is to blame.
Niko Takahashi	Posted - 2007.11.18 19:35:00 - [74] Originally by: Azgahran I did some testing yesterday, and from what I have seen so far I'd say it's working as well as the Windows client for me. This weekend I'll try some level 4 missions. Maybe I'll change my mind after that... I'm using an iMac (I think second generation) with 2 GHz core 2 duo and 1 Gb RAM, running Tiger 10.4.11. It would, however, be nice with an extra resolution step between 1300-something and 1600-something (can't remember the exact numbers). /signed
Sal Mintago	Posted - 2007.11.19 22:26:00 - [75] Yes - but based on the premise that they are still working on sorting out these issues and that it will be better in future. It's stable and runs great for me for ages, then ends up in an endless series of lockups. After a reboot it's usually ok again. If I thought this is as good as it's gonna get I might say no, but I'll have faith in them for now, and I plunked down a subscription fee. I will take their advice and file some bug reports, though.
Capo Rip	Posted - 2007.11.20 01:11:00 - [76] As posted at http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=635074&page=3 EVEonaMini update time. I came across this blog http://hammer-eve.blogspot.com/ which contained the following gems of info. To increase FPS General effects on/off: CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-E Turret effects on/off: CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-T Sound on/off: CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-F12 With general & turret effects off - it's playable! With just general effects off - it's still playable!! Mini users - there is hope
Lauredris Maru	Posted - 2007.11.20 21:11:00 - [77] I'll register a tentative Yes, though I'm not happy with the current situation. I live in fear of a lockup during a PvP battle and ending up pod killed... But if the lockup issues are fixed, totally YES. If the texture problems are also fixed, then absolutely, it's a fantastic game and well worth it.
Jahbulon Pole Shift Incorporated	Posted - 2007.11.20 21:31:00 - [78] I've tried the client on a C2D Macbook 2Mhz with 2GB of memory, running OSX 10.4.1. On the whole, worked quite well, although the graphics can be glitchy at times. It doesn't work as well as with Windows Vista under bootcamp, though....
Mattathias	Posted - 2007.11.21 03:20:00 - [79] No. Fix the number of crashes by an order of magnitude at least, then I will feel more comfortable. Also get me another 10fps (20-30 now, 30-40 after), and I can solidly say yes. MBP 2.16 2g x1600 here, for reference. -Jeff
Bestari	Posted - 2007.11.23 18:51:00 - [80] I would say yes, but it's a little dicey. I can say this, there seems to be a big difference based on machine setup. I have the original intel imac with the bigger graphics card, 2gigs ram, and very clean install of Leopard. The game has only crashed on a couple times in the last 6 days of the demo. I have not done any PVP but have had a good experience with multiple target battles with rats, up to five on me a time with others in the area. The most worrisome problem I have experienced is the state the system is left in after I log out of EVE. The is a definite change to be screen color and gamma (less contrast), some apps behave oddly or crash etc... Frame rate is a low compared to what I get in WOW (30ish in space). On my wife's macbook the game is unplayable but it really does not meet the min specs because of the integrated graphics card. Most people who are really unhappy seem to have macbooks or MBPs. Could be the laptop design. Here are my machine specs: Model Name:iMac Model Identifier:iMac4,1 Processor Name:Intel Core Duo Processor Speed:2 GHz Number Of Processors:1 Total Number Of Cores:2 L2 Cache:2 MB Memory:2 GB Bus Speed:667 MHz Chipset Model:ATY,RadeonX1600 Type:Display Bus:PCIe PCIe Lane Width:x16 VRAM (Total):256 MB I will probably upgrade from the trial...game is just too cool! :)

ADHD	Posted - 2007.11.23 19:18:00 - [81] YES - certainly. There one or two bugs, but otherwise its just like Windows - only better cos its on a Mac
Dors Venabily	Posted - 2007.11.23 23:43:00 - [82] OK i get the desynced all the time if that is right word for it The client still looks ok but its soppes open any windows that require conncetion or download from server I really believe its some general server side bug because if i go through boot camp it gives me this eve.exe runtime c++ crash all the time on the same computer its just the mac client doesnt crash you think you fine and go on ad on and then you find out last 5 mins youwere just typing or doing something for nothing
Versteckter	Posted - 2007.11.25 05:12:00 - [83] Edited by: Versteckter on 25/11/2007 05:16:28 Yes,... for the most part. Haven't done high end missions and I don't PvP much yet so my XP is limited in pushing the client to max. Video card is key. RAM is key. The bigger and better the machine the better your experience will be. I play on a Mac Pro tower Top O the line and a new Intel Macbook Pro. The tower is significantly better at playing EVE. I only play on the laptop if I am mining. I'm thankful that CCP has taken a step in this direction. Let's hope they continue. Now if we can just convince EA to make a Mac version of Warhammer.....
RealEchnaton	Posted - 2007.11.25 05:14:00 - [84] I say NO at the moment. It runs stable for me, but performance is poor. In station = 30 - 40 fps Warp = 20 fps staying in POS or fighting with rats 5 to 10 fps. I'm afraid to use the macclient for PvP in Fleetbattles. I think the performance depends on objects in space, so the maccleint for traders is fine und perhaps ratting is O.k. (not fine), but not for PvP an Fleetbattles in no way. (Press STRG + F for fps) realechnaton
Thundorr	Posted - 2007.11.26 17:51:00 - [85] FOr me, the game runs perfectly. I initially had some problems running the game, but it was a issue with my wireless router. I have a 20" imac 2.0ghx core duo, 2gb ram, x1600 256 mb vram. I love this game.
Russel Forbes	Posted - 2007.11.27 09:36:00 - [86] I should say : NO I have bootcamp, so I play eve on windows bootcamp, but if I had not bootcamp... no, the mac client is too buggy...
Tyranis Bolke Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.11.27 12:01:00 - [87] Without a doubt, the Eve client is the most unstable piece of software on my Mac. I've found that it's only real use is for logging in to change skill training. Try leaveing a station and it's DC-Dead/Crash-Dead/etc. It seems to be way more of a memory hog on Macs then it is in Windows as well. I have to say, given the way Blizzard supports Macs and Windows with the WoW Client (which does provide the same experience with additional features as that Windows users have), I find this quite dissappointing. Come on CCP, give us a Mac Native version. Consider it a Christmas present for your loyal fans. _______________________________________ Comfortably Numb
Nihlus garrus	Posted - 2007.11.27 18:21:00 - [88] just did a agent mission, level 1 i guess (just starting out) Had to destroy a station. I did this on my macbook C2D, 2ghz, 1 gb ram and i had to zoom out to the max to get a decent playable framerate. Tommorow i'll test it on my imac C2D with 2 gb ram.
RealEchnaton	Posted - 2007.11.27 21:02:00 - [89] Originally by: RealEchnaton I say NO at the moment. It runs stable for me, but performance is poor. In station = 30 - 40 fps Warp = 20 fps staying in POS or fighting with rats 5 to 10 fps. I'm afraid to use the macclient for PvP in Fleetbattles. I think the performance depends on objects in space, so the maccleint for traders is fine und perhaps ratting is O.k. (not fine), but not for PvP an Fleetbattles in no way. (Press STRG + F for fps) realechnaton I test it on WinXP (Bootcamp) The same Hardware. In Pos 30 to 40 FPS Warping 50 fps I run 10.4.8 In Chatchannel told me, who use Leopard have the same Performance like und windows. Therefore it would be nice , everybody who vote Yes or NO told us the Mac OS X Version. I have the suspicion, that makes a difference. realechnaton
Garhalg Jek	Posted - 2007.11.27 22:57:00 - [90] Yes. I'm using EVE in windowed mode under Leopard (10.5.1) and get framerates of 30-40 fps in space, 25-30 in combat (no PvP yet though), and 80+ in stations. I'm using one of the new aluminum 2.4 GHz iMacs with 2 GB RAM and ATI 2600 HD Pro graphics card. I only get occasional freezes, and simply relaunching the client is almost always enough to fix that.



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