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Maxious
Ancient and Mystical Order of the Atlantis Rose
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:33:00 -
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I mean seriously guys what's wrong with it? What's every one got against afk mining? I pay my money, I pay for my online time, I have worked up hard enough to get a hulk. I play the game the way I like to play it and that's on the cusp. In the background as I'm talking to my corp mates, looking at the market, adjusting planet production, reading up about the latest tech 3 or eve stories. Or even posting here on the forums and it's all during afk mining. Ok it not true afk like I'm on the bog or out working/sleeping but you know what the worst that should happen if I'm away too long? The asteroid will run out, or my mining hold will get full and I stop mining. I'm not wiping an entire ore belt clean or overflowing the market with trit. 3astroids out of a few hundred go and I stop dead in my track. So what's the problem? On occasion I'm minding my own business. Found an ore belt that's no one is using and settle down for a spot of mining. Then whilst I'm reading the latest news in game or browsing through the market to see what skills I need for such and such a ship(all in game), I see a flash of light and the next thing I know that my hulk I've worked for several months to get has been blown up... If I talk to any one about it you just get the haters just saying that you should not be afk mining. I mean WTF??? It's not like you can do anything any way is there? If some one want to kill you in high sec they will kill you. Don't matter what you have. A target lock and a flash of light is all you get as a warning even if your eyes are glued to the screen. Ok don't get me wrong. This thread is not a complaint or about a loss of ships. I know why some people will do it. Maybe your harvesting in their fave field. So the will log on as an alt to get you out of the way. Or the dam annoying and god awfull hulkagadon that if I could do anything to get scrapped I would. As I've lost about 5 hulks to that and have never made a profit on any hulk I've bought. Again long ago and not bitter....much. No my problem is why do people have a problem with afk miners in general? You play the game how you want to and I'll play it how I want to |

Saska Samar
Blue Moon Ventures
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:38:00 -
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U mad bro? |

Cire XIII
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:38:00 -
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Q: What's wrong with afk mining?
A: Orders of magnitude less than afk missioning/ratting/anoms |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1778
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:39:00 -
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solution: don't mine andski for csm7~ |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1778
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:40:00 -
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Cire XIII wrote:Q: What's wrong with afk mining?
A: Orders of magnitude less than afk missioning/ratting/anoms
yeah, even afking a 50m domi in an anom is more profitable lmao andski for csm7~ |

Maxious
Ancient and Mystical Order of the Atlantis Rose
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:40:00 -
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Well people I work with think so. And the other voices in my head gang up on me sometimes telling me so
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Dane El
Daneco Inc.
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:41:00 -
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The same thing that's wrong with auto piloting an industrial with a valuable load. It's generally bad practice to leave a lightly tanked but expensive ship just sitting unattended in space. Plenty of people will blow you up because they can and they know you'll cry about it.
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Maxious
Ancient and Mystical Order of the Atlantis Rose
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:44:00 -
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Cire XIII wrote:Q: What's wrong with afk mining?
A: Orders of magnitude less than afk missioning/ratting/anoms
If I want to make money I'll go mission running. I do level 3's solo and fast. But if I want to relax and do stuff at the same time as making money then I'll mine. Like right now I really need to clean this place up. Just set my ship to mine and then start cleaning. But if people have a problem with afk in general then whats next to go? Afk hauling? Afk Station sitting?
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Maxious
Ancient and Mystical Order of the Atlantis Rose
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:46:00 -
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Dane El wrote:The same thing that's wrong with auto piloting an industrial with a valuable load. It's generally bad practice to leave a lightly tanked but expensive ship just sitting unattended in space. Plenty of people will blow you up because they can and they know you'll cry about it.
True if you go through low sec. But if your flying through high sec then their should not be a problem. And likei said if some one wants to blow you up the will and their is nothing you can do about it. Afk or not
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Dane El
Daneco Inc.
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:51:00 -
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No you're not. Ever wonder why you sometimes get locked flying into or out of JIta? Cargo scanners. They're looking for a valuable load and they'll blow you up for it given the chance. Being AFK and on auto-pilot just makes their job very easy. It's the same with mining. If you are paying attention you can often get out before you get ganked. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1778
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:51:00 -
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Maxious wrote:Dane El wrote:The same thing that's wrong with auto piloting an industrial with a valuable load. It's generally bad practice to leave a lightly tanked but expensive ship just sitting unattended in space. Plenty of people will blow you up because they can and they know you'll cry about it.
True if you go through low sec. But if your flying through high sec then their should not be a problem. And like i said if some one wants to blow you up then their is nothing you can do about it. Afk or not
okay feel free to load up an iteron mark V full of faction/officer mods and autopilot from amarr to jita, it's perfectly safe!
if this is a complaint about suicide ganking, you're out of luck because it's legitimate gameplay. high-sec was never meant to be safe. CONCORD provides consequences for aggressors, not protection from them. andski for csm7~ |

Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:52:00 -
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Wanting afk mining to be risk free is absurd and an afront to anyone who at least affords some attention to the process with validity.
Mining should not be risk free. Ganking perhaps should be made more consequential and brought in line with the risk/reward model everyone is talking about, but the "RISK" definatley needs to remain for this "sandbox" to have credibility.
Stop spoiling that credibility of mining operations by asking for "cotton wool" immunity mechanics. This tends to give an unfavourable view for mining roles to be improved with some validity please. Which I have to say is very much needed.
Also "if" deliberate troll thread, not funny or constructive. |

Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:53:00 -
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Because CCP would prefer you to be at your keyboard when you play the game.
Yet another 05 player posts like a 2 week old newb.
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Maxious
Ancient and Mystical Order of the Atlantis Rose
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:56:00 -
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Andski wrote:Maxious wrote:Dane El wrote:The same thing that's wrong with auto piloting an industrial with a valuable load. It's generally bad practice to leave a lightly tanked but expensive ship just sitting unattended in space. Plenty of people will blow you up because they can and they know you'll cry about it.
True if you go through low sec. But if your flying through high sec then their should not be a problem. And like i said if some one wants to blow you up then their is nothing you can do about it. Afk or not okay feel free to load up an iteron mark V full of faction/officer mods and autopilot from amarr to jita, it's perfectly safe! if this is a complaint about suicide ganking, you're out of luck because it's legitimate gameplay. high-sec was never meant to be safe. CONCORD provides consequences for aggressors, not protection from them.
I guess you didn't read my first post fully. No it's not a complaint. I've been playing since 2005 and understand the whys. I just want to know why people have beef ofer afk miners. Hence te title
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Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:56:00 -
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Being AFK while mining doesn't bother me at all (tho it aint smart). As long as you are manually controlling your hulk when you need to shift to a different roid etc. Doing it with a 3rd party program and effectively macro mining should be relentlessly hammered down without any remorse. It's unfair to those who spend the time doing it the right way as they are intended to through the built in mechanics of the game.
If CCP meant to have it automated to that degree then they would have built in the option. When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |

Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:57:00 -
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But OP surely has a point. The question is: with an activity as tedious as mining, how could you NOT be afk while doing it? Survival tip: if you only mine in cheap t1 barges, suicide ganking becomes uneconomical and you will most likely be left alone. -.- |

Maxious
Ancient and Mystical Order of the Atlantis Rose
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Posted - 2012.01.29 13:02:00 -
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Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Wanting afk mining to be risk free is absurd and an afront to anyone who at least affords some attention to the process with validity.
Mining should not be risk free. Ganking perhaps should be made more consequential and brought in line with the risk/reward model everyone is talking about, but the "RISK" definatley needs to remain for this "sandbox" to have credibility.
Stop spoiling that credibility of mining operations by asking for "cotton wool" immunity mechanics. This tends to give an unfavourable view for mining roles to be improved with some validity please. Which I have to say is very much needed.
Also "if" deliberate troll thread, not funny or constructive. No one said anything about the credibility of mining ops. I'm a level 5 mining director with all that comes with it. Stick me in an orca and you'll never get a better output from your mining operation. Mining operates is what makes the game really work for me as I love them so. |

Raiz Nhell
DEEP CORPS
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Posted - 2012.01.29 13:05:00 -
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Afk mining is cool... I mine most of the time... It's what I do... But it's dull...
I know that my Hulk will get exploded, s**thappens.... Hopefully I get to watch it... Hopefully the gankers gpu can't handle the awesomeness of my disintegration and his box melts down....
I play the game my way, gankers play it theirs... Who am I to tell them I don't like the way they play... And we all need to remember, ISK is Monopoly money and we shouldn't really care...
I'm so carebear my Pod bleeds rainbow...
Beers + nullsec + dodgy fit = Loss mail |

Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.29 13:05:00 -
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Well Maxious according to your KB you lost a hulk 3 months ago, and your previous industral loss was a coveter 2 years ago. Other than that you only have a procurer and an iteron on record as soft target losses previous to that since 05.
I hardly would say thats a cause for a "realistic" concern, even though no-one likes a loss at the end of the day? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.01.29 13:12:00 -
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Maxious wrote:On occasion I'm minding my own business. Found an ore belt that's no one is using and settle down for a spot of mining. Then whilst I'm reading the latest news in game or browsing through the market to see what skills I need for such and such a ship(all in game), I see a flash of light and the next thing I know that my hulk I've worked for several months to get has been blown up... If I talk to any one about it you just get the haters just saying that you should not be afk mining. I mean WTF??? It's not like you can do anything any way is there? If some one want to kill you in high sec they will kill you. Don't matter what you have. A target lock and a flash of light is all you get as a warning even if your eyes are glued to the screen. Yeah, noGǪ
That's not people having a beef with you being AFK GÇö it's people taking advantage of your decision to make yourself a free target. Not being AFK will indeed help you.
Quote:No my problem is why do people have a problem with afk miners in general? They don't. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

Maxious
Ancient and Mystical Order of the Atlantis Rose
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Posted - 2012.01.29 13:14:00 -
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Aldeskwatso wrote:Being AFK while mining doesn't bother me at all (tho it aint smart). As long as you are manually controlling your hulk when you need to shift to a different roid etc. Doing it with a 3rd party program and effectively macro mining should be relentlessly hammered down without any remorse. It's unfair to those who spend the time doing it the right way as they are intended to through the built in mechanics of the game.
If CCP meant to have it automated to that degree then they would have built in the option.
Oh I agree totally. I respect the game and the people within too much to cheat like that. All done by hand. I know it ant smart but I don't want to sit in font of the computer getting fat. I want to do stuff. It's a choice of not play eve to do my stuff or do both. And with afk mining I can do both. Theirs only a few things I have beef with. 1st is can flippers. Hate those people, second is hulkagadon which gets people to actively hunt miners in high sec. I know why they do it but still hate it. The only reason I choose hulk is the cargo space. I'm not too fussed on mining speed but I might just drop down to converter. Much less costly. However when I get enough I might just get an orca.. It's shields and armour should hold off most ships until reinforcements come in. 5years ago I use to mine in an iteron. A single mining laser but no drones. So when the rats came in I had to warp out.
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Maxious
Ancient and Mystical Order of the Atlantis Rose
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Posted - 2012.01.29 13:18:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:But OP surely has a point. The question is: with an activity as tedious as mining, how could you NOT be afk while doing it? Survival tip: if you only mine in cheap t1 barges, suicide ganking becomes uneconomical and you will most likely be left alone.
Yea point noted. Been thinking about going back to converter |

Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2012.01.29 13:25:00 -
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Maxious wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:But OP surely has a point. The question is: with an activity as tedious as mining, how could you NOT be afk while doing it? Survival tip: if you only mine in cheap t1 barges, suicide ganking becomes uneconomical and you will most likely be left alone. Yea point noted. Been thinking about going back to converter
[cynical]Try a "covetor", something a genuine miner would know about after so many years.[/cynical] |

Maxious
Ancient and Mystical Order of the Atlantis Rose
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Posted - 2012.01.29 13:29:00 -
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Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Well Maxious according to your KB you lost a hulk 3 months ago, and your previous industral loss was a coveter 2 years ago. Other than that you only have a procurer and an iteron on record as soft target losses previous to that since 05.
I hardly would say thats a cause for a "realistic" concern, even though no-one likes a loss at the end of the day? I honestly don't think the killbord shows everything. not long ago I was soloing a mission when someone popped in to steal my loot. I blew them up, and his mate as well that was backing him up. Using only drones I kills both the scout ship and the destroyer. But the killbord only showed the scout kill. I don't really care if you beleve me or not I know what happened and I know that the killbord did not show everything. Ok 5 hulks may have been an Hyperbalaby as I can't remember every ship I lost in the past 6and a half years. But I think 5 is very close to the mark if not more |

Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
791
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Posted - 2012.01.29 13:30:00 -
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Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Maxious wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:But OP surely has a point. The question is: with an activity as tedious as mining, how could you NOT be afk while doing it? Survival tip: if you only mine in cheap t1 barges, suicide ganking becomes uneconomical and you will most likely be left alone. Yea point noted. Been thinking about going back to converter [cynical]Try a "covetor", something a genuine miner would know about after so many years.[/cynical]
And please take note that some suicide gankers are simply idiots, who do not care about sacrifing a ship just to kill a barge with about 1/3 the isk worth. Those people should be considered a force of nature- there is no possible way to defend yourself against suicidal idiots with no agenda besides killboard-fappage.
-.- |

Maxious
Ancient and Mystical Order of the Atlantis Rose
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Posted - 2012.01.29 13:33:00 -
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Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Maxious wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:But OP surely has a point. The question is: with an activity as tedious as mining, how could you NOT be afk while doing it? Survival tip: if you only mine in cheap t1 barges, suicide ganking becomes uneconomical and you will most likely be left alone. Yea point noted. Been thinking about going back to converter [cynical]Try a "covetor", something a genuine miner would know about after so many years.[/cynical] Try being dyslexic and not having the names in front of you. I have an idea of what spellings look like and I just work on it. It's kinda hard just reading everything and never hearing things. I have to just make up sounds in my head and it gets translated to something I understand. It's a bit complex but to simplfy it.... Ops
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2012.01.29 13:34:00 -
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Maxious wrote:I mean seriously guys what's wrong with it? What's every one got against afk mining?
Because that means one is just a lazy-F**k, NOT paying attention to the approaching Ninja's, or the seeming carebear (myself) about to gank you for botting (check Killboards for Orva - Derelik).
Lazy lazy lazy
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Maxious
Ancient and Mystical Order of the Atlantis Rose
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Posted - 2012.01.29 13:43:00 -
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It's not lazy when you have so many things to be doing, where it be in game or out. I put through the idea of ship cabins and walking on deck mixing with crew. But it will never be integrated outside of stations because it encrougages the same attitude and results as afking |

Aggressive Nutmeg
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Posted - 2012.01.29 14:17:00 -
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How are you fitting these Hulks that keep getting blown up? Post the fit. I bet the problem is there. Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
291
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Posted - 2012.01.29 14:25:00 -
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I dont really think anyone has anythign against afk mining, what you are talking about is people ganking miners. Its always happened, its always going to happen. Its what some people enjoy, dont really see it as interesteing tbh, but thats their game. I afk mine in hisec alot on an alt and I have never once been ganked, ever. Just down to luck I guess. I tend to afk mine when im home with the kids, watching movies etc. Nothing wrong with it as longas you are doing it yourself as other have said. I am dead against bots and like to see them exploded, then watch their pods carrying on the same cycle... Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
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