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Ancient Pistol	Posted - 2007.11.13 23:56:00 - [1] I find that tough pirates aren't so "tough" when noob victims fire back with a little verbal ammunition of their own. What's the deal? These people can tell their victims, "well it's your fault for [being in 0.0/being in lowsec/being in my target range]." Well to them I say: a little smack talk is what you get for choosing a life of piracy. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you're not "tough" enough to take a little smack talk, then you shouldn't have been a pirate in the first place.
Leilani Solaris Gallente Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.14 00:02:00 - [2] So because people play a game a certain way means they should have to take abuse from people for doing it? >Out of Control<
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2007.11.14 00:07:00 - [3] please smack more, it makes it more entertaining, even killing a frigate is a good kill if it generates a comedy gold chat log. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Tha Pusher III ELEMENTS VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.14 00:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Leilani Solaris So because people play a game a certain way means they should have to take abuse from people for doing it? Funny, thats exactly what the victims of some of these pirates say after they get upset for having their mining barge blown up, only to be responded with the typical 'eve is hell newbie, go play wow' response. The real answer is cuz it hurts their epeen, so go on and smack talk away and watch their blood boil, good for you. The Anti-Pirates Pirate
Ancient Pistol	Posted - 2007.11.14 00:12:00 - [5] Edited by: Ancient Pistol on 14/11/2007 00:13:45 I wasn't talking about abusive language, I was talking about smack talk. The EULA clearly spells out what kind of dialog is considered abusive. Outside of that, anything is fair game, and is just role-playing IMO. The chat window is just as much a part of the game as the warp scrambler and T2 guns. Why is "using the chat window" considered any less "playing the game a certain way" than non-consensual combat? The difference is that everyone has a chat window, so it's more of an even playing field, and besides, the aggressor can always block chat. So what's the big deal?
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.11.14 00:15:00 - [6] It's the miners choice to smack. It's the pirates choice to be ****ed off at it. I see no problem? The Movement is recruiting!
Ancient Pistol	Posted - 2007.11.14 00:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Kehmor It's the miners choice to smack. It's the pirates choice to be ****ed off at it. I see no problem? Haha, well you have a point there. But it's the "just because a person chooses to play the game a certain way they have to take abuse for it" attitude that mystifies me. This is taking it beyond the game and making it personal. Maybe someone with T2 zOMG planet-killing guns doesn't have enough wit to match me in a chat window. That's not my fault. I don't have the T2 zOMG planet-killing guns to match theirs. So we're even. Talking smack in-character to someone who is aggressively engaging me in non-consensual combat seems like tit for tat, and to be honest, it makes the game more fun. I don't ming getting gate-camped or ganked, so long as I can have a bit of witty dialog to go along with it. And if the pirate's poor little ego gets bruised in the process, well, my ship got bruised, too. Live with it.
Darth Schweinebacke Caldari Born Bravos	Posted - 2007.11.14 00:32:00 - [8] Edited by: Darth Schweinebacke on 14/11/2007 00:34:52 Well, I never get upset by ppl smacking me... in fact they make me and my friends laugh a lot... It¦s just a game.. when someone smacks me for ganking him I just know he is in some way upset that he lost that ship / equipment / load. No matter what he says I win :P and laugh about him for taking it all so serious ;)
Rudy Metallo G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2007.11.14 00:37:00 - [9] Originally by: Tha Pusher Originally by: Leilani Solaris So because people play a game a certain way means they should have to take abuse from people for doing it? Funny, thats exactly what the victims of some of these pirates say after they get upset for having their mining barge blown up, only to be responded with the typical 'eve is hell newbie, go play wow' response. The real answer is cuz it hurts their epeen, so go on and smack talk away and watch their blood boil, good for you. boiling blood? That's dangerous. I find it quite hilarious when people smack, and I DO tell them that "this is low-sec, get used to it". --
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.14 01:14:00 - [10] Originally by: Leilani Solaris So because people play a game a certain way means they should have to take abuse from people for doing it? Yes. If your chosen playstyle is to abuse other people via pirating, you should expect to get abused back.
ponieus the united	Posted - 2007.11.14 01:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Curzon Dax Originally by: Leilani Solaris So because people play a game a certain way means they should have to take abuse from people for doing it? Yes. If your chosen playstyle is to abuse other people via pirating, you should expect to get abused back. as much as I hate to.. I do agree with this statment. As per my profession. If I dont get smacked at I am not doing my job. Plus good quality smack is hard to come by..
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.14 01:25:00 - [12] I was pirate hunting in Eifer on sunday and happened upon one of those scurvy dogs that hate smack talk of course he might have just been sore that he had to run away from a lowly stealth bomber, but him and his 5 buddies never did manage to catch me Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44 EDIT You know what, Tortun has this one under control...* *Basks in the chaos of this thread
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.14 01:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Tortun Nahme I was pirate hunting in Eifer on sunday and happened upon one of those scurvy dogs that hate smack talk of course he might have just been sore that he had to run away from a lowly stealth bomber, but him and his 5 buddies never did manage to catch me Wasn't me, I don't live there I smack talk those that smack first or in the case of the anti pirate incident when I survive the 3v1 to deaggro after my shield tank has failed and dock up before they can pop me... then they made fun of my tank after they couldn't kill me ... then there was yesterday where our gatecamp got run into by a totally unfitted Absolution who proceeded to talk about skill after running around in an untanked and unarmed command ship in lowsec Only thing that would've made it better would be if he was autopiloting it Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.14 01:38:00 - [14] well I got on his nerves by saying "yeah, thought so jack" after he warped off in structure, unable to catch up to me even with a mwd before I took him down that far then he proceeded to hunt my wikkle hound with his 2 cruiser buddies, an inty and a BC... Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44 EDIT You know what, Tortun has this one under control...* *Basks in the chaos of this thread
Val Vympel	Posted - 2007.11.14 01:52:00 - [15] I tried to resist responding to this thread Well..I give in..so here is my opinion Any pirate that gets "hurt" by smacktalk reveals their true motivation for being a pirate. Is their TRUE motivation.... 1.ISK Answer:NO 2.PVP Answer:NO 3.FUN Answer:NO All pirates of this sort truly care about is dominance and control. Remember,you are the victim you have been put in your place,to smacktalk is to raise a hand to your master and this kind of defiance is unsufferable.You must be a submissive "carebear" and pay deference to your digital superiors or you will be labeled a "Noob","Whiner" or potential Hello Kitty player. When you smacktalk them you are deflating their epeen,when according to them you should be stroking it. Whaa! You carebears must be the weak little bootlickers we want you to be or I'm going to go and throw a "tantrum" in chat or on the forums...so my like minded friends can stroke and hug me and tell me everything will be alright. So be a good little toady now and run along...
Niccolo Duku Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.14 01:57:00 - [16] Don't make me open a can of pout..... Oh, and smack away, it gives the pirate something fun to post on their corp forums. But nothing... NOTHING... will match the smack you see in .6 local when the can-flippers are about. Those miners make me smile
Bosie Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.11.14 02:18:00 - [17] Edited by: Bosie on 14/11/2007 02:18:27 So as an industrial player if another player is selling the same module cheaper than me I am allowed to insult that person on a personal level? No, I did not think so. When you leave Empire and enter low sec you get a warning box that you either click yes or no too. This box tells you that if you click yes that other players can and will kill you. The pirate that killed you never clicked the box for you, you did that. Now your choice of box does not give you the right to verbally attack another player when things do not go your way. Don't like the fact that you can be attacked and loose your assets, then click no and stick to the relative safety of Empire. Click yes and verbally abuse players then expect to be dealt with by CCP. "There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND
Aeaus The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.11.14 02:20:00 - [18] Get sensitive, surely you kid? All kinds of people get sensitive to smacktalk or do it, it doesn't matter if they're pirates of carebears, putting people into categories is silly. Oh, full disclosure, joined the rabbits two days ago, got some nice smacktalk coming my way... pod me that'd be smart....give me and my entire corp kill rights... you are messing with RDEX you will be hunted and killed ever seen this, the pussies decided me and goose were too had to kill, had to drop a bloody carrier ontop of me... Cant wait for payback :) time is on my side grin Well what can you do, entertainment all around, in such cases though, the best idea is to leave them to be bitter
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.14 02:25:00 - [19] Anyone can say whatever they want as long as it's not breaking the rules. It's fun tho when poeple that got blown up think they are justified to throw insults, use vile language and threaten pirates, notices that said pirate can petition them. Piracy is a sanctioned way of playing the game but and some victims just doesn't get it.
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis	Posted - 2007.11.14 02:27:00 - [20] If its an even fight and we win and the losers smack, we usually follow it up with a war dec against the smackers. If its a gank we usually dont say anything if the person smacks because we understand their frustration at not having a chance. Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
Niron Werls The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.11.14 02:38:00 - [21] Well since the secret is out, I might as well confess for everyone. The truth is, you guys are absolutely right. If I am in high-sec it is because I could not hack it in low-sec, and I don't like being reminded about that. If I am in low-sec at the time, you are probably right that I couldnt survive in 0.0. In fact those harsh cruel words make me ashamed that I blow you up, because deep down I want to be accepted as a miner/mission runner/carebear, but I just don't know how I would fit in with you guys. Please keep that in mind and try your best not to hurt my feelings next time you blow up. It's not my fault, and what you say is probably 100% correct, I just wont admit it because I look up to you so much and you just wont accept me as one of your own. And if you actually do come back in that BS/dread/Carrier/Titan like you promise, I will probably just run away, so keep up with not following through on those promises to save me from shame. Look what you have done. Stop looking at me. Its just something in my eye.
Kwerkus Ilf Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.14 04:29:00 - [22] Edited by: Kwerkus Ilf on 14/11/2007 04:32:53 I've seen some hardcore smackers in my time as a pirate and I have to say that most of the time it's just really amusing to see people get worked up like that. Of course it's a valid tactic if you are trying to manipulate your adversary but there is always the risk of looking like a complete nub for doing so. I try to avoid smacking but still slip up from time to time :( -K
Scott Ryder Infestation. The Cosa Nostra	Posted - 2007.11.14 04:36:00 - [23] This is the utterly most stupid op (no offense) ive seen. Most pirates love smack talk as far as i know. And why do you feel you need to run your mouth at pirates? Because they owned you? And you figured well if i cant fight back im sure as ** gonna call him a migdet****. Constructive smack takes practice and very few master the art of smack. And it is your fault usually if you are in low sec and unprepared/unaware of the danger. And it aint cool to smack when you're in pod. You're in a pod you lost. If you wanna fight pirates, bring some friends and guns. Smacking em while docked wont really hurt em and it will make you look kinda silly.
Madrosynth Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.14 04:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Ancient Pistol I find that tough pirates aren't so "tough" when noob victims fire back with a little verbal ammunition of their own. What's the deal? These people can tell their victims, "well it's your fault for [being in 0.0/being in lowsec/being in my target range]." Well to them I say: a little smack talk is what you get for choosing a life of piracy. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you're not "tough" enough to take a little smack talk, then you shouldn't have been a pirate in the first place. I live for smack. Most pirates I've met and talked to live for smack. This thread fails. [Run dark] [Run silent]
Praxis1452	Posted - 2007.11.14 04:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Kwerkus Ilf Edited by: Kwerkus Ilf on 14/11/2007 04:32:53 I've seen some hardcore smackers in my time as a pirate and I have to say that most of the time it's just really amusing to see people get worked up like that. Of course it's a valid tactic if you are trying to manipulate your adversary but there is always the risk of looking like a complete nub for doing so. I try to avoid smacking but still slip up from time to time :( -K Heh I love someone trying to smack me. It's so hilarious. I try to goad them on. Then I post up the chatlogs for me and my friends. We all have a laugh.
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2007.11.14 05:36:00 - [26] Carebears, remember that on the internet everything is public, even the private convos you have with your local pirate. Whatever you type can and will be posted, dont type anything you will regret, but if you do we will surely have a chuckle at your expense. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Lassie Vhemneer	Posted - 2007.11.14 05:43:00 - [27] I Agree with poster I get sooo bored with mining I talked crap in minmatar channel for fun saying off the wall crap and many ppl got anal about it. It's like if the 'game' is real to them. Their is a block feature. Use it!
Filthy Pierre Gallente Laughing Fox Enterprises	Posted - 2007.11.14 05:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Lassie Vhemneer I Agree with poster I get sooo bored with mining I talked crap in minmatar channel for fun saying off the wall crap and many ppl got anal about it. It's like if the 'game' is real to them. Their is a block feature. Use it! ....just so long as you weren't babbling on about Timmy being stuck down the old well... FP
Jonny Chimpo Chimpo Holding	Posted - 2007.11.14 06:18:00 - [29] what is this local window you talk about. I don't know where it is at. All I know is target lock and fire, and have my alt hauler there to pick up the pieces. So good luck talking in that local thing Real pirates pirate in empire space Non-consensual is the only way for me Taxing the merchant class, one hauler at a time
Atreides Horza No Fear Buccaneers	Posted - 2007.11.14 06:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Ancient Pistol I find that tough pirates aren't so "tough" when noob victims fire back with a little verbal ammunition of their own. What's the deal? These people can tell their victims, "well it's your fault for [being in 0.0/being in lowsec/being in my target range]." It ***es us off because you carebears have been provided with every possible means of humping ISK wherever and whenever you choose, and still you feel the need to be smug about it when warp core stabs or logoffski saves the day rather than intended game mechanics. The efforts of those few of you who actually choose to fight it out or accepts the loss of your ship to lack of attention or incompetence are diluted by the - and I sht you not - daily dozens of people who are alive and thriving in an environment where those willing to invest minimum effort are rewarded with maximum income. Order of the day for those who choose to live by the sword in losec is warp core stabs, massive blobsridiculous passive tanks and shifty game mechanics that sa*uards those with equally shifty testicular fortitude. A lot of pirates - especially the ones who can't yet fly solo pwnmobile command ships isk- or skillwize, or don't have the quintessential blob to rely on - I think, are increasingly *ed off by the level of difficulty in getting by, even when they put everything they have on the line, while the game gildens the @sses of people unwilling to risk anything but the odd chance of being bored whring complexes and mission agents in high sec. Originally by: Ancient Pistol Well to them I say: a little smack talk is what you get for choosing a life of piracy. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you're not "tough" enough to take a little smack talk, then you shouldn't have been a pirate in the first place. ... and to you I say, I don't care what's good for your geese or your gander - and I'm not bothered with the altitude of the moral high ground from which you look down upon me from that enables you to insult and detest me over a mere game. At the end of the day, your smacktalking @ss is still nothing but a flying meal ticket to me and mine.

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