Originally by: Kaaii

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Originally by: Scavok

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Originally by: Kaaii

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So, the withdrawal worked....


Ra grows bored, goons grow nervous.

Wouldn't that be something, if Ra just said ok, we're done, back to the salt mines, and removed the umbrella from goons. Make a few promises like, oh if they come, we'll protect you, but otherwise, don't call us, we'll call you.

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Lets just ask LV how this state of mind worked out for them. Oh wait

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That was then, this is now, it wouldn't suprise me if the relationship which brought Ra down on Lv,so goons could howl on the forums, chest beating and fofo'n there way into the minds of all, has passed its prime.

lets just wait and see....

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Originally by: Scavok

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Originally by: Kaaii

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Originally by: Scavok

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Originally by: Kaaii

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So, the withdrawal worked....


Ra grows bored, goons grow nervous.

Wouldn't that be something, if Ra just said ok, we're done, back to the salt mines, and removed the umbrella from goons. Make a few promises like, oh if they come, we'll protect you, but otherwise, don't call us, we'll call you.

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Lets just ask LV how this state of mind worked out for them. Oh wait

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That was then, this is now, it wouldn't suprise me if the relationship which brought Ra down on Lv,so goons could howl on the forums, chest beating and fofo'n there way into the minds of all, has passed its prime.

lets just wait and see....

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Sure, but what if the russians want to run missions in Delve?

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Originally by: Kaaii

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That was then, this is now, it wouldn't suprise me if the relationship which brought Ra down on Lv,so goons could howl on the forums, chest beating and fofo'n there way into the minds of all, has passed its prime.

lets just wait and see....

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Originally by: Scavok

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Lets give them credit where it's due. They managed to get about 50 together yesterday to save some motherships and carriers from a razor caracal/raven comedy op.

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Mynas Atoch [ETNY]
MC Leadership

BOB reading FIX corp website

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The mystery of the highly placed traitor in FIX has been solved. Lax forum security. A former FIX member who left for BOB had retained admin rights and was systematically reading FIX's mail.

PURGE INACTIVE or DEPARTED MEMBERS

especially admins.

Myn

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Blade Gunner [BDCI]
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Re: BOB reading FIX corp website

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So BoB does spy on GBC members and then took it to CAOD rather than internal review? Suck donkey balls in my opinion.

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padyn - who is in Black Eclipse Corp read fix directors forum and posted that stuff on bobs forum. it then got leaked to CAOD apparently by a BoB member

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myndpyre [BDCI]
MC Leadership

Like I said on a few other posts . . .

Our long term girl friend is acting like a ***** because she saw us talking to another woman after we told the ***** we were going to take a break and see other people.

She was a great lay while she was young, but she turned out fat and ugly after a few years. Time to find a new woman.

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Rexthor Hammerfists[ETNY]
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lets look at the other women then:

tri maybe? cute and young, but kinda toxic id say.

ra/goon, i kinda have my problem with the smell of them, plus i dont trust em.

MM/rzr not a good looking one but kinda nice, pity tho that she lives next to tri and tri might **** us over.

no girlfriend, stay in empire or stain, i like company and a warm bed with easy moneymaking.

or stay with bob, who we trust, and she trusts us enough to lend us a titan bpo, and without us hardly get thrown out of the house.
plus shes ****in rich.


edit, to sum it up, instead of just saying **** bob, what are the alternatives?

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myndpyre [BDCI]
MC Leadership

Like I said on a few other posts . . .

Our long term girl friend is acting like a ***** because she saw us talking to another woman after we told the ***** we were going to take a break and see other people.

She was a great lay while she was young, but she turned out fat and ugly after a few years. Time to find a new woman.

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Krall Amarr [ETNY]
Found the post button

they absorb all they can, and give less help as possible, if is not theyr interest, (example they not have any real and direct interest on save mc assets 90 jump from theyr home..)

or save rise, etc,

i remember good when bob show theyr power to help lv, and when battle start they evanish.


no one like bob, include fix or what people conside theyr friend, becouse bob never estabilsh a friend status whit his allied, only subordinance.


than is natural now, when all is going fall, theyr pet is aiming to backstab theyr "owner" .

Bob die, they cant win that war, and mc honestly have only 2 option, remain neutral, or help community to kill bob.

just my 2 cents

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NightHawk [ETNY]
MC Leadership

I keep bringing up the point about the northern evacuation because it remains as the best example of the ways in which BoB showed they didn't have the time or didn't care when it counted. In reference to the loss of Armageddion Dawn and that partciular fight in FAT. I havn't a clue if a BOB titan could have saved it or helped in any way. What I do know is that there were supposed to be three there and not 1 showed up. Some forget these facts...I have not.

Again, I'm not advocating BoB's death. I'm trying to clear some of the heads in this thread that seem to think we still owe anyone anything. We need to keep a clear head about this and do what needs to be done one way or another. Most everyone here knows my stance on Goons, so i'll leave that be. I know the leadership is working all the angles and I'm satisfied with that. Just realise that when the call comes down some people aren't going to be happy either way.

I'm here trying to get people heads out of their asses and let them see this, imho, in a more mercenary light.

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Turin [ETNY]
Doesnt talk much

Well, you are assuming that BOB is going to win this war. They arent. They are going to get their ass handed to them in the not to far future IMO. And even if we were to rejoin the war on their side, all that would do would be to delay the loss. The core of BOB doesnt even bother to log on anymore. BOB is not the same BOB of a year or even 6 months ago.

So, do we insist on going down with the ship? Or start to explore new avenues in the universe? BOB was never going to last forever. Nothing ever does in these games. And we cannot be so limited in our thinking that we need to ride it out to the end. Just my opinion. But the most important thing to remember here is.

BOB is going to loose, and not much can stop it.

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Mynas Atoch [ETNY]
MC Leadership
The reason I was dissatisfied with the explanation over the Branch evacuation is that only a month earlier I had been suffering exactly the same problems with Tiscali routing of EVE traffic as Chowdown claimed to be suffering, and KNOW that the problem had been fixed. Even then, other traffic was not affected and Chowdown was on MSN all day, but didn't reply to me or attempt to contact us. I have more isk locked in up there than the rest of my corp combined, but I got over it a while ago, and don't see the need to continually bring it up.

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ER0X [ETNY]
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Since we have managed to conclude the debate on our Alliance backing Mynas and the work he contributes I feel I can move on to the finer details.

The history of the MC shows us that there have been more than a few whom we have called friends on our journey in Eve. At least two of those friendly corporations have moved on to seek their way elsewhere. At the moment the MC consists of 5 corporations each one has its own strengths and weaknesses. If an outside influence attempts to exert or influence either directly or covertly any of the individual corporations within the MC. I consider them a threat; declare them a usurper and my enemy. My allegiance is firstly to my Corp mates then my Alliance and I will at least attempt the destruction of the aggressor.

What has this got to do with anything? Its simple allyÆs are supposed to act in a certain way in aiding each other. Lets quickly point at the Northern extraction. Our ally had 7 days notice to supply the tools necessary to achieve a successful extraction of MC assets remaining from the Northern Campaign. This is after the MC had lost a particular asset while aiding our ally in_another_campaign. Had this asset not been on the field during this deployment the MC would have required no aid from our ally.

(Incidentally no BoB titan pilots made themselves available, only chowdown who unfortunately had ISP problems. FYI I do not consider Chow, a long time LV pilot, to be BoB )

Our allyÆs were unable to provide the support necessary to complete the successful Northern conquest. This means that MC assets have been left behind in a hostile region of space with no extraction plan being tabled for their retrieval.

I agree that with hindsight objectives would have been completed in a different order of priority. However I feel a degree of pragmatism has to be applied to the situation therefore this did inform MC of the inability of our ally to complete a simple objective within a reasonable time frame. Or this informed MC that our ally had a complete disregard to our combined objectives.

If the outcome is that our ally can not complete a simple task within a reasonable time frame then I question the allegiance.

If the outcome is that our ally has a complete disregard for our combined objectives then I have to seriously consider what future plans lay in store for MC and its assets. Especially when our ally has recommended that all GBC retreat to Delve, (BoB territory and assets), to shore up a defence completely disregarding the time and man hours of individual members of the GBCÆs assets or space. As far as IÆm concerned our ally is packing in the meat shield.

My main question in all of this; Is MC a meat shield?

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Yalson [ETNY]
Forum *****

Re: FIX in CAOD Forum Drama!!

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This isn't about hostility towards BOB, Frantico. We are likely to have as many pilots who like them as those who dislike them for various reasons, be it personal, their corp and alliance history, or their forum antics. This thread originated due to leadership knocking on various doors to see what kind of contract we can acquire. Fact is, by and large the public views us as BOB pets, and it is in BOBs interest to reinforced that behaviour to the best of their abilities. Pets don't get offers for contracts against BOB or BOB friendlies.

My understanding, based on this thread, is that we'd like to change that perception more strongly than it's been done in the past. If that means actively engaging in talks with all parties I'm all in favor.

As a footnote: is anyone really looking forward to playing steel curtain for one year in PB and Delve, hoping that the GBC is able to hold off the attackers? When we could instead engage in Empire contracts, have fun in the North or do _whatever we want to do_ without having to worry which side of the alliance vs coalition debacle this puts us on this time?

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ZaKma -=SERA=-
MC Leadership

Heh this thread took a interesting path. In the end, the MC always has and always will do what we think is in OUR best interest.

The situation with BoB can be looked at from quite a few perspectives. However from mine, we don't really have a 'friendship'. Don't confuse your friendships with some BoB members (I have a bunch of mates there) with the friendship of 2 alliances. There's a few points that come to mind when I think about BoB.

1) We've had a pretty good, long term relationship and business deal with them. They've pretty much kept their word most of the time and stood by it.

2) The last contract in Catch, they've shown us that they can and will not work together. They come and ask us what to do, then turn around and do some random **** (read Paxton). Their leaderships inability to communicate properly and stay focused on a particular issue will ultimately be their downfall.

3) They have a lot of Titans, but those are generally quite useless. Myn summed it up pretty well on SHC, cba to look for the topic now. Basically the Russians can within 2 mins log on any of their Titans and give cover to each other (think of the time ET got stuck on that sun). Had BoB been capable of doing the same, who knows what would've happened in FAT.

4) ETNY had a lot of Assets stuck up in QYZ, BoB was notified well in advance about it and agreed to assist. They then showed up on the very last day, with only 1 titan. He then had connection problems. I'm not really blaming Chow for this, but this is generally again just showing that BoB doesn't really care too much when we need assistance.

To sum it up, BoB has been a long term 'business partner' and neighbor to us. But that's it. Having said that, I have a lot of friends in BoB. And I'd still have them if we ended up shooting at them. I'm pretty sure you were all asked, when joining MC, if you'd have a problem with shooting old corp mates / friends in case we got a contract on them. I'm also pretty sure you all answered that with 'no problem'.

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Eteoneus -=SERA=-
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don't really get the drama at all. Hey, someone's told me we are mercs. For my understanding this is all about someone hiring mercs to **** another party up for money. So if anybody talks to Mynas why shouldn't that also include a contract against BoB.

As I understood the statements from MC leadership in the past it was never excluded to get on a contract against BoB. Only the premise to have a plan and enough money was given.

So why not. IMHO it's not important who we are shooting at. What matters is to get paid for it. That's it. We're mercs, at least we say we are. So by default we have no friends. Also we should be politcaly neutral to everybody. Also it was nice and also some SERAs also have friends inside BoB I personaly never liked the friendlike relationship from MC to BoB. Somehow BoB managed through this relationship to get never attacked by the fierce MC warmachine. So they had not to care about one entity and they had someone that covered their back. IMHO BoB took more advantage out of this relationship.

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She was a great lay while she was young, but she turned out fat and ugly after a few years. Time to find a new woman.

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Originally by: Butcher bird

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NightHawk [ETNY]
MC Leadership

I keep bringing up the point about the northern evacuation because it remains as the best example of the ways in which BoB showed they didn't have the time or didn't care when it counted. In reference to the loss of Armageddion Dawn and that partciular fight in FAT. I havn't a clue if a BOB titan could have saved it or helped in any way. What I do know is that there were supposed to be three there and not 1 showed up. Some forget these facts...I have not.

Again, I'm not advocating BoB's death. I'm trying to clear some of the heads in this thread that seem to think we still owe anyone anything. We need to keep a clear head about this and do what needs to be done one way or another. Most everyone here knows my stance on Goons, so i'll leave that be. I know the leadership is working all the angles and I'm satisfied with that. Just realise that when the call comes down some people aren't going to be happy either way.

I'm here trying to get people heads out of their asses and let them see this, imho, in a more mercenary light.

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Turin [ETNY]
Doesnt talk much

Well, you are assuming that BOB is going to win this war. They arent. They are going to get their ass handed to them in the not to far future IMO. And even if we were to rejoin the war on their side, all that would do would be to delay the loss. The core of BOB doesnt even bother to log on anymore. BOB is not the same BOB of a year or even 6 months ago.

So, do we insist on going down with the ship? Or start to explore new avenues in the universe? BOB was never going to last forever. Nothing ever does in these games. And we cannot be so limited in our thinking that we need to ride it out to the end. Just my opinion. But the most important thing to remember here is.

BOB is going to loose, and not much can stop it.

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Mynas Atoch [ETNY]
MC Leadership
The reason I was dissatisfied with the explanation over the Branch evacuation is that only a month earlier I had been suffering exactly the same problems with Tiscali routing of EVE traffic as Chowdown claimed to be suffering, and KNOW that the problem had been fixed. Even then, other traffic was not affected and Chowdown was on MSN all day, but didn't reply to me or attempt to contact us. I have more isk locked in up there than the rest of my corp combined, but I got over it a while ago, and don't see the need to continually bring it up.

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