Originally by: Mactep

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I would like to clarify my position for pilots not involved in politics.

At the last meeting of CEOs of RA it was decided that Red Alliance no longer needs organized fleet. Not under anyone's command (mine, NYNC, etc.)
From now on all ops are optional, any ship you want, when you want. Any pilot can fly where they want and kill whoever they want.
From now on agent runners and miners are welcome to RA.
From now all RA pilots become parasites, while most already are.

In that regard I have no desire to call any organized operations (and have not done for a while) and will not be getting fleets together for any specific objectives.
a) if I am leading a gang - it is for my own fun. I do not need anyone. Do NOT come into private room of my corp and do NOT ask for gang.
b) if large hostiles gangs are detected, I will be ready to support OTHER RA gang, or announce an op in alliance channel, or invite other pilots from RA
c) in case our allies need help I will write in alliance channel and will always help/lead alliance gang (if other RA FCs not available)

P.S. If I am flying - I do not need pilots from corp y/x/z

If your gang is blobbed, I will attempt to come and help.
If enemy fleet objectives showed up - I will attend Solar fleet channel on TS or will repsond in alliance channel.

The fleet that I failed to create in alliance I will now be creating in my corp.

If you a pilot from another corp, then create your own fleet and we will cooperate.
3-4 good pilots that are bored to death or 5-6 mentally disabled students eager to learn PvP and were accepted in one of the RA corps - I do not need you.
Corps in RA have great ties, but sooner or later we will split apart because of our interests in this game. If not for POSes, bridges and station and other alliance **** - I would leave RA long time ago. Because what you made out of PvP alliance (and a fleeting image of organization that it used to be) - is no longer interesting.

Just for statistics, Shinra one year ago could get 100 corp BSes in JLO-
How many Bses can your corp bring today?
Mine can not do that anymore, but I will try to rebuild it.

P.S.S Do you want to join RA? You can not do anything? It does not matter anymore.
"it is important that our corp have many agent runners (or traders or **** knows who)".
Do you want to be **** knows who? Welcome. RA ticker attached.

hello Waab.

Mactep

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RuSH - Sieggrunt
It appears highly respected Mactep (sarcasm) implies that we need fly where RA command is tellins us to fly. It also appears that he jumped to conclusion (very funky one) that CEO of RA posses enough power and means to bring reasonable attendance for alliance ops.

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UAI - Corak
I thought for 2 minutes and decided that I agree with Mactep and the alliance needs to be renamed in MRA - Mission Running Alliance, because this vomit was always present: 1000 mother******* doing missions and 50 or even 30 fight. Now we have no more than 150 total perhaps.

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UAI - RedDemon
There we go, dirty talks begin
Respect to Mactep, everyone else - shut up.
By the way, if all relevant corps already went their own ways - dear commanders please tell the rest of us what to do. Should we stand down or what? You ordered us to attack (Catch) but stand down was not issued.
If you are there at the top had time to talk and agree (or disagree), we are SORT OF on the territory of RAT and SORT OF fighting BoB. But it seems like we are not needed there and no one gives a **** about us.

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RUS-1-UKR - EugineZ

OMG what a topic. Yeah, 100 BS will ******* get together when hell freezes over.
And the reason is not AAA ignorance and lies of the noobs (we will come to 0.0 when you accept us), the reason is in greediness (NYNC, hello), reason is that we are waiting for the moment when we are about to lose everything.
Only one thing makes me happy - AAA will ******* die first and finally the slime will get what they deserve because of their stupidity.

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SDG - Darky

RA is degrading and follows the road of IAC.

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SDG - Darky
We got 150-170 people every day in alliance. Only 20-25 people show any activity. The rest are alts refueling POSes? Today everyone takes advantage of RA's old fame, using the fact that few can attack us - they simply affraid of us.

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RuSH - Freaken Stain
What do you mean "show any activity"? Flooding in channel? I am sure that most of these 150-170 are sitting afk hoping that call for a gang is announced. Such calls have not been happening recently and now we ar etold that they WILL NOT happen again. Gangs starts randomly and sitting 10 hours in front of computer monitoring alliance channel/TS not every dork can afford. And it happens so that gnag is who knows where and nobody will come back to pick up single BS/BC.

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UAI - Mutant
"Only one thing makes me happy - AAA will ******* die first and finally the slime will get what they deserve because of their stupidity. RUS-1-UKR - EugineZ "

No, you are wrong. People who think like this (you) will die first.

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Originally by: Mr Broker

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fake

russians speaking in english to their entire alliance, right!

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Originally by: CCP Nozh

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If we do a change, we have to do it properly

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Originally by: Mr Broker

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replace ra with any other alliance name and it still holds true

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Originally by: fire 59

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Originally by: Mr Broker

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replace ra with any other alliance name and it still holds true

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The sheer depseration and speed you came scrambling to there defence makes me wonder tbh. All aliances suffer from problems from time to time and to think that ra would be immune from any problems is abit naive.

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Originally by: Mr Broker

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fake

russians speaking in english to their entire alliance, right!

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Originally by: Ahistaja

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Edited by: Ahistaja on 17/11/2007 19:08:00
Wouldn't be surprised if everyone in RA was indeed missionrunning. At least as far as BoB is concerned (not sure what goes on in Catch), RA's enemies are cowering in their stations, so there isn't really anything for huge fleets to do. At the very least until RSF has logistics chains set up closer to the front line, and is ready to properly siege Delve and other BoB regions.

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Originally by: Ahistaja

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Edited by: Ahistaja on 17/11/2007 19:08:00
Wouldn't be surprised if everyone in RA was indeed missionrunning. At least as far as BoB is concerned (not sure what goes on in Catch), RA's enemies are cowering in their stations, so there isn't really anything for huge fleets to do. At the very least until RSF has logistics chains set up closer to the front line, and is ready to properly siege Delve and other BoB regions.

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Originally by: Zataaki

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Originally by: Ahistaja

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Edited by: Ahistaja on 17/11/2007 19:08:00
Wouldn't be surprised if everyone in RA was indeed missionrunning. At least as far as BoB is concerned (not sure what goes on in Catch), RA's enemies are cowering in their stations, so there isn't really anything for huge fleets to do. At the very least until RSF has logistics chains set up closer to the front line, and is ready to properly siege Delve and other BoB regions.

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pretty much this, I wish I had spent the last few weeks running missions or ratting than going on roaming gangs in bob space. I can't even remember the last time you all put up a fight.

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Originally by: Kaaii

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So, the withdrawal worked....


Ra grows bored, goons grow nervous.

Wouldn't that be something, if Ra just said ok, we're done, back to the salt mines, and removed the umbrella from goons. Make a few promises like, oh if they come, we'll protect you, but otherwise, don't call us, we'll call you.

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Originally by: Scavok

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Originally by: Kaaii

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So, the withdrawal worked....


Ra grows bored, goons grow nervous.

Wouldn't that be something, if Ra just said ok, we're done, back to the salt mines, and removed the umbrella from goons. Make a few promises like, oh if they come, we'll protect you, but otherwise, don't call us, we'll call you.

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Lets just ask LV how this state of mind worked out for them. Oh wait

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Originally by: nync

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first page in MRA thread!!!

we are all gone die!!!

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Originally by: Kaaii

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Originally by: Scavok

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Originally by: Kaaii

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So, the withdrawal worked....


Ra grows bored, goons grow nervous.

Wouldn't that be something, if Ra just said ok, we're done, back to the salt mines, and removed the umbrella from goons. Make a few promises like, oh if they come, we'll protect you, but otherwise, don't call us, we'll call you.

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Lets just ask LV how this state of mind worked out for them. Oh wait

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That was then, this is now, it wouldn't suprise me if the relationship which brought Ra down on Lv,so goons could howl on the forums, chest beating and fofo'n there way into the minds of all, has passed its prime.

lets just wait and see....

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Originally by: Scavok

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Originally by: Kaaii

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Originally by: Scavok

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Originally by: Kaaii

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So, the withdrawal worked....


Ra grows bored, goons grow nervous.

Wouldn't that be something, if Ra just said ok, we're done, back to the salt mines, and removed the umbrella from goons. Make a few promises like, oh if they come, we'll protect you, but otherwise, don't call us, we'll call you.

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Lets just ask LV how this state of mind worked out for them. Oh wait

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That was then, this is now, it wouldn't suprise me if the relationship which brought Ra down on Lv,so goons could howl on the forums, chest beating and fofo'n there way into the minds of all, has passed its prime.

lets just wait and see....

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Sure, but what if the russians want to run missions in Delve?

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Originally by: Kaaii

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That was then, this is now, it wouldn't suprise me if the relationship which brought Ra down on Lv,so goons could howl on the forums, chest beating and fofo'n there way into the minds of all, has passed its prime.

lets just wait and see....

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Originally by: Scavok

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Lets give them credit where it's due. They managed to get about 50 together yesterday to save some motherships and carriers from a razor caracal/raven comedy op.

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Mynas Atoch [ETNY]
MC Leadership

BOB reading FIX corp website

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The mystery of the highly placed traitor in FIX has been solved. Lax forum security. A former FIX member who left for BOB had retained admin rights and was systematically reading FIX's mail.

PURGE INACTIVE or DEPARTED MEMBERS

especially admins.

Myn

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Blade Gunner [BDCI]
Found the post button

Re: BOB reading FIX corp website

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So BoB does spy on GBC members and then took it to CAOD rather than internal review? Suck donkey balls in my opinion.

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padyn - who is in Black Eclipse Corp read fix directors forum and posted that stuff on bobs forum. it then got leaked to CAOD apparently by a BoB member

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myndpyre [BDCI]
MC Leadership

Like I said on a few other posts . . .

Our long term girl friend is acting like a ***** because she saw us talking to another woman after we told the ***** we were going to take a break and see other people.

She was a great lay while she was young, but she turned out fat and ugly after a few years. Time to find a new woman.

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Rexthor Hammerfists[ETNY]
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lets look at the other women then:

tri maybe? cute and young, but kinda toxic id say.

ra/goon, i kinda have my problem with the smell of them, plus i dont trust em.

MM/rzr not a good looking one but kinda nice, pity tho that she lives next to tri and tri might **** us over.

no girlfriend, stay in empire or stain, i like company and a warm bed with easy moneymaking.

or stay with bob, who we trust, and she trusts us enough to lend us a titan bpo, and without us hardly get thrown out of the house.
plus shes ****in rich.


edit, to sum it up, instead of just saying **** bob, what are the alternatives?

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myndpyre [BDCI]
MC Leadership

Like I said on a few other posts . . .

Our long term girl friend is acting like a ***** because she saw us talking to another woman after we told the ***** we were going to take a break and see other people.

She was a great lay while she was young, but she turned out fat and ugly after a few years. Time to find a new woman.

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Krall Amarr [ETNY]
Found the post button

they absorb all they can, and give less help as possible, if is not theyr interest, (example they not have any real and direct interest on save mc assets 90 jump from theyr home..)

or save rise, etc,

i remember good when bob show theyr power to help lv, and when battle start they evanish.


no one like bob, include fix or what people conside theyr friend, becouse bob never estabilsh a friend status whit his allied, only subordinance.


than is natural now, when all is going fall, theyr pet is aiming to backstab theyr "owner" .

Bob die, they cant win that war, and mc honestly have only 2 option, remain neutral, or help community to kill bob.

just my 2 cents

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NightHawk [ETNY]
MC Leadership

I keep bringing up the point about the northern evacuation because it remains as the best example of the ways in which BoB showed they didn't have the time or didn't care when it counted. In reference to the loss of Armageddion Dawn and that partciular fight in FAT. I havn't a clue if a BOB titan could have saved it or helped in any way. What I do know is that there were supposed to be three there and not 1 showed up. Some forget these facts...I have not.

Again, I'm not advocating BoB's death. I'm trying to clear some of the heads in this thread that seem to think we still owe anyone anything. We need to keep a clear head about this and do what needs to be done one way or another. Most everyone here knows my stance on Goons, so i'll leave that be. I know the leadership is working all the angles and I'm satisfied with that. Just realise that when the call comes down some people aren't going to be happy either way.

I'm here trying to get people heads out of their asses and let them see this, imho, in a more mercenary light.

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Turin [ETNY]
Doesnt talk much

Well, you are assuming that BOB is going to win this war. They arent. They are going to get their ass handed to them in the not to far future IMO. And even if we were to rejoin the war on their side, all that would do would be to delay the loss. The core of BOB doesnt even bother to log on anymore. BOB is not the same BOB of a year or even 6 months ago.

So, do we insist on going down with the ship? Or start to explore new avenues in the universe? BOB was never going to last forever. Nothing ever does in these games. And we cannot be so limited in our thinking that we need to ride it out to the end. Just my opinion. But the most important thing to remember here is.

BOB is going to loose, and not much can stop it.

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Mynas Atoch [ETNY]
MC Leadership
The reason I was dissatisfied with the explanation over the Branch evacuation is that only a month earlier I had been suffering exactly the same problems with Tiscali routing of EVE traffic as Chowdown claimed to be suffering, and KNOW that the problem had been fixed. Even then, other traffic was not affected and Chowdown was on MSN all day, but didn't reply to me or attempt to contact us. I have more isk locked in up there than the rest of my corp combined, but I got over it a while ago, and don't see the need to continually bring it up.

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ER0X [ETNY]
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Since we have managed to conclude the debate on our Alliance backing Mynas and the work he contributes I feel I can move on to the finer details.

The history of the MC shows us that there have been more than a few whom we have called friends on our journey in Eve. At least two of those friendly corporations have moved on to seek their way elsewhere. At the moment the MC consists of 5 corporations each one has its own strengths and weaknesses. If an outside influence attempts to exert or influence either directly or covertly any of the individual corporations within the MC. I consider them a threat; declare them a usurper and my enemy. My allegiance is firstly to my Corp mates then my Alliance and I will at least attempt the destruction of the aggressor.

What has this got to do with anything? Its simple allyÆs are supposed to act in a certain way in aiding each other. Lets quickly point at the Northern extraction. Our ally had 7 days notice to supply the tools necessary to achieve a successful extraction of MC assets remaining from the Northern Campaign. This is after the MC had lost a particular asset while aiding our ally in_another_campaign. Had this asset not been on the field during this deployment the MC would have required no aid from our ally.

(Incidentally no BoB titan pilots made themselves available, only chowdown who unfortunately had ISP problems. FYI I do not consider Chow, a long time LV pilot, to be BoB )

Our allyÆs were unable to provide the support necessary to complete the successful Northern conquest. This means that MC assets have been left behind in a hostile region of space with no extraction plan being tabled for their retrieval.

I agree that with hindsight objectives would have been completed in a different order of priority. However I feel a degree of pragmatism has to be applied to the situation therefore this did inform MC of the inability of our ally to complete a simple objective within a reasonable time frame. Or this informed MC that our ally had a complete disregard to our combined objectives.

If the outcome is that our ally can not complete a simple task within a reasonable time frame then I question the allegiance.

If the outcome is that our ally has a complete disregard for our combined objectives then I have to seriously consider what future plans lay in store for MC and its assets. Especially when our ally has recommended that all GBC retreat to Delve, (BoB territory and assets), to shore up a defence completely disregarding the time and man hours of individual members of the GBCÆs assets or space. As far as IÆm concerned our ally is packing in the meat shield.

My main question in all of this; Is MC a meat shield?

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Yalson [ETNY]
Forum *****

Re: FIX in CAOD Forum Drama!!

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This isn't about hostility towards BOB, Frantico. We are likely to have as many pilots who like them as those who dislike them for various reasons, be it personal, their corp and alliance history, or their forum antics. This thread originated due to leadership knocking on various doors to see what kind of contract we can acquire. Fact is, by and large the public views us as BOB pets, and it is in BOBs interest to reinforced that behaviour to the best of their abilities. Pets don't get offers for contracts against BOB or BOB friendlies.

My understanding, based on this thread, is that we'd like to change that perception more strongly than it's been done in the past. If that means actively engaging in talks with all parties I'm all in favor.

As a footnote: is anyone really looking forward to playing steel curtain for one year in PB and Delve, hoping that the GBC is able to hold off the attackers? When we could instead engage in Empire contracts, have fun in the North or do _whatever we want to do_ without having to worry which side of the alliance vs coalition debacle this puts us on this time?

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ZaKma -=SERA=-
MC Leadership

Heh this thread took a interesting path. In the end, the MC always has and always will do what we think is in OUR best interest.

The situation with BoB can be looked at from quite a few perspectives. However from mine, we don't really have a 'friendship'. Don't confuse your friendships with some BoB members (I have a bunch of mates there) with the friendship of 2 alliances. There's a few points that come to mind when I think about BoB.

1) We've had a pretty good, long term relationship and business deal with them. They've pretty much kept their word most of the time and stood by it.

2) The last contract in Catch, they've shown us that they can and will not work together. They come and ask us what to do, then turn around and do some random **** (read Paxton). Their leaderships inability to communicate properly and stay focused on a particular issue will ultimately be their downfall.

3) They have a lot of Titans, but those are generally quite useless. Myn summed it up pretty well on SHC, cba to look for the topic now. Basically the Russians can within 2 mins log on any of their Titans and give cover to each other (think of the time ET got stuck on that sun). Had BoB been capable of doing the same, who knows what would've happened in FAT.

4) ETNY had a lot of Assets stuck up in QYZ, BoB was notified well in advance about it and agreed to assist. They then showed up on the very last day, with only 1 titan. He then had connection problems. I'm not really blaming Chow for this, but this is generally again just showing that BoB doesn't really care too much when we need assistance.

To sum it up, BoB has been a long term 'business partner' and neighbor to us. But that's it. Having said that, I have a lot of friends in BoB. And I'd still have them if we ended up shooting at them. I'm pretty sure you were all asked, when joining MC, if you'd have a problem with shooting old corp mates / friends in case we got a contract on them. I'm also pretty sure you all answered that with 'no problem'.

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Eteoneus -=SERA=-
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don't really get the drama at all. Hey, someone's told me we are mercs. For my understanding this is all about someone hiring mercs to **** another party up for money. So if anybody talks to Mynas why shouldn't that also include a contract against BoB.

As I understood the statements from MC leadership in the past it was never excluded to get on a contract against BoB. Only the premise to have a plan and enough money was given.

So why not. IMHO it's not important who we are shooting at. What matters is to get paid for it. That's it. We're mercs, at least we say we are. So by default we have no friends. Also we should be politcaly neutral to everybody. Also it was nice and also some SERAs also have friends inside BoB I personaly never liked the friendlike relationship from MC to BoB. Somehow BoB managed through this relationship to get never attacked by the fierce MC warmachine. So they had not to care about one entity and they had someone that covered their back. IMHO BoB took more advantage out of this relationship.

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Originally by: "Myndpyre

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She was a great lay while she was young, but she turned out fat and ugly after a few years. Time to find a new woman.

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Originally by: Butcher bird

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NightHawk [ETNY]
MC Leadership

I keep bringing up the point about the northern evacuation because it remains as the best example of the ways in which BoB showed they didn't have the time or didn't care when it counted. In reference to the loss of Armageddion Dawn and that partciular fight in FAT. I havn't a clue if a BOB titan could have saved it or helped in any way. What I do know is that there were supposed to be three there and not 1 showed up. Some forget these facts...I have not.

Again, I'm not advocating BoB's death. I'm trying to clear some of the heads in this thread that seem to think we still owe anyone anything. We need to keep a clear head about this and do what needs to be done one way or another. Most everyone here knows my stance on Goons, so i'll leave that be. I know the leadership is working all the angles and I'm satisfied with that. Just realise that when the call comes down some people aren't going to be happy either way.

I'm here trying to get people heads out of their asses and let them see this, imho, in a more mercenary light.

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Turin [ETNY]
Doesnt talk much

Well, you are assuming that BOB is going to win this war. They arent. They are going to get their ass handed to them in the not to far future IMO. And even if we were to rejoin the war on their side, all that would do would be to delay the loss. The core of BOB doesnt even bother to log on anymore. BOB is not the same BOB of a year or even 6 months ago.

So, do we insist on going down with the ship? Or start to explore new avenues in the universe? BOB was never going to last forever. Nothing ever does in these games. And we cannot be so limited in our thinking that we need to ride it out to the end. Just my opinion. But the most important thing to remember here is.

BOB is going to loose, and not much can stop it.

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Mynas Atoch [ETNY]
MC Leadership
The reason I was dissatisfied with the explanation over the Branch evacuation is that only a month earlier I had been suffering exactly the same problems with Tiscali routing of EVE traffic as Chowdown claimed to be suffering, and KNOW that the problem had been fixed. Even then, other traffic was not affected and Chowdown was on MSN all day, but didn't reply to me or attempt to contact us. I have more isk locked in up there than the rest of my corp combined, but I got over it a while ago, and don't see the need to continually bring it up.

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Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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Love how the goon alts try to derail a thread about a significant internal struggle of their biggest ally.

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Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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Love how the goon alts try to derail a thread about a significant internal struggle of their biggest ally.

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Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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Love how the goon alts try to derail a thread about a significant internal struggle of their biggest ally.

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Originally by: Orator Demosthenes

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[whatever]

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Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd

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Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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Love how the goon alts try to derail a thread about a significant internal struggle of their biggest ally.

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The thing you don't get, well, there are a lot of things you don't get. But the one particular thing you're not getting right now is this:
Goons don't care. We already know that the Russians are brusque and sometimes borderline rude with each other. THEY'RE RUSSIANS. That's just how they roll, dawg.

You might as well make a big deal about an alliance made up of people from South Carolina being absurdly, sickeningly polite and officious with each other. It's a cultural thing that doesn't translate into the same perceived intent that the OP is trying to hang upon it.

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Originally by: George Petsch

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Originally by: Orator Demosthenes

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[whatever]

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I sailed with some russians a few weeks ago in RL... and all I can say about the OP's forum quotes is that this just a *VERY* friendly reminder for the members to run missions a bit less frequently.

Obviously the OP has NEVER seen an *angry* russian

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Originally by: Bein Glorious

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Love how the people who are the most excited about perceived "internal troubles" in RA bailed on Coreli and Executive Outcomes weeks ago.

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Originally by: George Petsch

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Originally by: Orator Demosthenes

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[whatever]

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I sailed with some russians a few weeks ago in RL... and all I can say about the OP's forum quotes is that this just a *VERY* friendly reminder for the members to run missions a bit less frequently.

Obviously the OP has NEVER seen an *angry* russian

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Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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Originally by: Bein Glorious

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Love how the people who are the most excited about perceived "internal troubles" in RA bailed on Coreli and Executive Outcomes weeks ago.

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Executive Outcomes?

And nice try, but Coreli was already in the process of disbanding when I left, hence... why I left.

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Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd

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Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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Love how the goon alts try to derail a thread about a significant internal struggle of their biggest ally.

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The thing you don't get, well, there are a lot of things you don't get. But the one particular thing you're not getting right now is this:
Goons don't care. We already know that the Russians are brusque and sometimes borderline rude with each other. THEY'RE RUSSIANS. That's just how they roll, dawg.

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Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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Originally by: Bein Glorious

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Love how the people who are the most excited about perceived "internal troubles" in RA bailed on Coreli and Executive Outcomes weeks ago.

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Executive Outcomes?

And nice try, but Coreli was already in the process of disbanding when I left, hence... why I left.

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Originally by: Faith Black

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Not every alliance is 5000 goons, where only a fraction is enough to blob.

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Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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Love how the goon alts try to derail a thread about a significant internal struggle of their biggest ally.

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Originally by: Mynas Atoch

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Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 17/11/2007 22:25:20

Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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Love how the goon alts try to derail a thread about a significant internal struggle of their biggest ally.

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That's totally unfair. We are a relatively small alliance and nowhere NEAR their biggest al... oh ... nm

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Originally by: missionalt

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id like to take this thread to tell RA they're awesome and we need more threads about them and TCF and less threads about goons

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Originally by: missionalt

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id like to take this thread to tell RA they're awesome and we need more threads about them and TCF and less threads about goons

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The RA thing is boring, it's just "Stop carebearing so much." And a bit of "AAA suck," but not enough to make it interesting.

It would be interesting and 'drama' worth if it had been, "I blame goons for why we carebear, lets think about shooting them."

As it is the MC stuff is way more interesting.

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Originally by: Callie Nefarious

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Originally by: missionalt

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id like to take this thread to tell RA they're awesome and we need more threads about them and TCF and less threads about goons

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Hey bud, we dont need attention from CAOD and especially from bob/fix/CI. Because we simply want to run our lovely plexes, mine that shinny arkonor, and gettin f***** our by our greedy FC's. That's all about RA atm. Get ur hands out of MRA, there is nothing do discuss here.

From Russia with love..
Leaving this thread because NYNC IS TOO GREEDY TO ALLOW ME TO POST IN CAOD.

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Originally by: Terror Rising

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They are pretty inactive these days... Mission running only I hear ..

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Originally by: Bein Glorious

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Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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Originally by: Bein Glorious

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Love how the people who are the most excited about perceived "internal troubles" in RA bailed on Coreli and Executive Outcomes weeks ago.

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Executive Outcomes?

And nice try, but Coreli was already in the process of disbanding when I left, hence... why I left.

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I was referring to kaaii with the EXE bit.

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Originally by: Lowa

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Quote:

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Love how the goon alts try to derail a thread about a significant internal struggle of their biggest ally.

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Quote:

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The RA thing is boring, it's just "Stop carebearing so much." And a bit of "AAA suck," but not enough to make it interesting.

It would be interesting and 'drama' worth if it had been, "I blame goons for why we carebear, lets think about shooting them."

As it is the MC stuff is way more interesting.

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Not that I matter much but to me BOTH the leaks are quite uninteresting in a broad perspective.
RA - Leadership gets ****ed of becuase he feels there are too many in RA atm.
- Mac and some others puts the foot down and say: Sort it or you dont get to play with us.
This will most likely have the desired effect as soon as the incentive to shape up
is presented as well as the punishment for not doing so.

MC - Continued discussion about FIX leak and talks of the future. What options MC has.
- The talks of allies/business parter/goals/trust etc: If you think that these things
has never been considered you need to wake up. Extremely few relationships in EVE
lasts forever, none have so far really, so planning for the end and making sure you get
as much out of the deal as you possibly can while it lasts makes sense. For all involved.

None of the above is out of the ordinary tbh, its quite normal for every alliance.
And its important to remember that far from all things discussed gets implemented, for those
involved or with experience of bigger alliances this is no news.


Cheers,
Lowa

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Originally by: Scavok

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Lets give them credit where it's due. They managed to get about 50 together yesterday to save some motherships and carriers from a razor caracal/raven comedy op.

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Originally by: Bein Glorious

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Love how the people who are the most excited about perceived "internal troubles" in RA bailed on Coreli and Executive Outcomes weeks ago.

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Originally by: Shoukei

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Originally by: Terror Rising

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They are pretty inactive these days... Mission running only I hear ..

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hes just saying that its not what it used to be.

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Originally by: KeyuserII

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now they just do it on alts.

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Originally by: Kaaii

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lets just wait and see....

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Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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Originally by: KeyuserII

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now they just do it on alts.

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Oh the irony.

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Originally by: Seleene

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I honestly wonder just what these people think they are accomplishing by pasting all this stuff from our discussion forums other than proving several things we already know.

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Originally by: Mr Broker

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Originally by: Seleene

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I honestly wonder just what these people think they are accomplishing by pasting all this stuff from our discussion forums other than proving several things we already know.

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don't ruin it Seleene, if exposing your healthy debate is enough to generate hateful or even fearful responses from certain parties, isn't that good to know, for you, for everyone?

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Originally by: fire 59

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Edited by: fire 59 on 18/11/2007 07:56:56
If anything, you goons are making it seem worse than it is by panicing to RA's defence. No alliance in the game is immune to problems from time to time, goons have been strained and pulled out of omist, BoB was strained and pulled out of the south to name but 2.

It's better to put problems on the table and discuss them than to blindly ignore them and hope that they go away. Seems to me that in those circumstances it would be far worse and would undoubtedly lead to huge problems in the future. Motivation can be a big factor in a long war and it's natural. Having that kind of die hard non stop motivation to push so hard for so long will take it out of anyone (and has nearly everyone at various points)

They can listen to respected and loyal mactep and adapt, evolve and overcome. Or ignore his words and sow the seeds of future possible dissent and internal strife.

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Originally by: General Windypops

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Seriously, Goons, your desperate defences in this thread really AREN'T helping RA... Still I guess RA command is basically Goon command, so no wonder they have a vested interest.

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Originally by: General Windypops

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Seriously, Goons, your desperate defences in this thread really AREN'T helping RA... Still I guess RA command is basically Goon command, so no wonder they have a vested interest.

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Originally by: General Windypops

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Sorry to disappoint - nothing to do with BoB, apart from sharing a loathing of Goons with them.

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Originally by: KeyuserII

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Originally by: General Windypops

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Sorry to disappoint - nothing to do with BoB, apart from sharing a loathing of Goons with them.

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OFC, it has nothing to do with bob... Just like you don't..... be ...more.. transparent. kk?

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Originally by: General Windypops

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Originally by: KeyuserII

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Originally by: General Windypops

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Sorry to disappoint - nothing to do with BoB, apart from sharing a loathing of Goons with them.

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OFC, it has nothing to do with bob... Just like you don't..... be ...more.. transparent. kk?

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Hi there, KeyuserII. It's nice to meet you. I notice that you've made 5 posts on these forums to date. 3 were flames against what you call 'alts', the other 2 were modded because you were, erm, posting with an alt.

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Originally by: Virtuoso DeToure

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Yeah, Goons are rushing to defend RA in this thread.

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Originally by: Ryysa

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Originally by: George Petsch

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Originally by: Orator Demosthenes

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[whatever]

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I sailed with some russians a few weeks ago in RL... and all I can say about the OP's forum quotes is that this just a *VERY* friendly reminder for the members to run missions a bit less frequently.

Obviously the OP has NEVER seen an *angry* russian

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Being 3/4 russian, I very much agree :P

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Originally by: Orator Demosthenes

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helloWaab

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Originally by: Seleene

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We have ex-AAA and Northern members who want to kill everyone.

We have random psychotics that should probably be locked up in between wars (Mynas).

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Originally by: George Petsch

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I sailed with some russians a few weeks ago in RL... and all I can say about the OP's forum quotes is that this just a *VERY* friendly reminder for the members to run missions a bit less frequently.

Obviously the OP has NEVER seen an *angry* russian

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Originally by: General Windypops

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Originally by: George Petsch

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I sailed with some russians a few weeks ago in RL... and all I can say about the OP's forum quotes is that this just a *VERY* friendly reminder for the members to run missions a bit less frequently.

Obviously the OP has NEVER seen an *angry* russian

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Nothing more convincing in an argument than sweeping racial generalisations. "Bloke down pub said so, must be true..." logic.

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1. getting my point


2. accepting common cultural differences


3. a few other things, mostly at posting with your main

Originally by: George Petsch

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Originally by: General Windypops

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Originally by: George Petsch

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I sailed with some russians a few weeks ago in RL... and all I can say about the OP's forum quotes is that this just a *VERY* friendly reminder for the members to run missions a bit less frequently.

Obviously the OP has NEVER seen an *angry* russian

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Nothing more convincing in an argument than sweeping racial generalisations. "Bloke down pub said so, must be true..." logic.

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you fail at:

1. getting my point


2. accepting common cultural differences


3. a few other things, mostly at posting with your main

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Originally by: General Windypops

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Let me get this straight. You're genuininely trying to assert that the quotes are fake on the basis of the fact that you've met 'some' russians? On a boat? In real life? And they obviously shouted at you? That's some serious knowledge you've got there.

Maybe you should write a book about them?

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Originally by: George Petsch

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I never said something about the OPs post being "fake".
See, you're still not getting the point, just as I posted before.
Try to actually think before you hit the reply button.

And no, I wasn't shout at by any russians

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Originally by: missionalt

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Originally by: George Petsch

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I never said something about the OPs post being "fake".
See, you're still not getting the point, just as I posted before.
Try to actually think before you hit the reply button.

And no, I wasn't shout at by any russians

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mang, don't try and argue with him, windypops has a severe case of denial. its understandable though, i would too if my alliance was circling the drain.

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Originally by: General Windypops

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I like how you talk about circling the drain, when Goonswarm have always lived in the gutter.

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Originally by: missionalt

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Edited by: missionalt on 18/11/2007 14:22:07

Originally by: General Windypops

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I like how you talk about circling the drain, when Goonswarm have always lived in the gutter.

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gutters can be pretty comfortable when they cover a quarter of the universe.

ps especially when three regions of the gutter used to be yours

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Originally by: Bran Stormer

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Haha. Calm down little goonies whilst I write 3 paragraphs about how I'm not affiliated with BOB. I am the puppetmaster.

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Originally by: General Windypops

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words words words

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Originally by: Osabojo

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Edited by: Osabojo on 18/11/2007 17:01:08

Originally by: General Windypops

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words words words

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hey you're not a real general

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Originally by: Ace Frehley

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Did you babblefish the whole Ra forum or what? Cant figure out why would they would type in english

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Originally by: General Windypops

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Originally by: Osabojo

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Edited by: Osabojo on 18/11/2007 17:01:08

Originally by: General Windypops

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words words words

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hey you're not a real general

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That's ok, it's not a real spaceship.

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Originally by: General Windypops

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You and your little schoolyard buddies have done more than enough damage to the game to earn hatred from across the Eve community, politics aside.

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Originally by: Bran Stormer

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Haha. Calm down little goonies whilst I write 3 paragraphs about how I'm not affiliated with BOB. I am the puppetmaster.

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Originally by: Dafuzz

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And then you woke up from that awesome dream you were having about a kickboxing supermodel

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Originally by: Osabojo

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Edited by: Osabojo on 18/11/2007 17:01:08

Originally by: General Windypops

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words words words

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hey you're not a real general

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Originally by: RedFall

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How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.

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Originally by: Dr Paithos

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so what's going on in this thread?

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Originally by: Dr Paithos

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Originally by: Osabojo

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Edited by: Osabojo on 18/11/2007 17:01:08

Originally by: General Windypops

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words words words

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hey you're not a real general

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hey hey there's a doctor in the house

so what's going on in this thread?

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Originally by: General Windypops

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Originally by: Dr Paithos

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Originally by: Osabojo

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Edited by: Osabojo on 18/11/2007 17:01:08

Originally by: General Windypops

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words words words

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hey you're not a real general

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hey hey there's a doctor in the house

so what's going on in this thread?

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Thank god you're here, Doctor, there are some Goons with some seriously bruised egos that need tending to.

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Originally by: RedFall

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How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.

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Originally by: Dr Paithos

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Sorry there's a guy here with some terrible burns

i have to see him first

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Originally by: General Windypops

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Edited by: General Windypops on 18/11/2007 21:58:42

Originally by: Dr Paithos

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Sorry there's a guy here with some terrible burns

i have to see him first

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I spurted my gin and tonic through my nose when I read that :(

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Originally by: RedFall

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How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.

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Originally by: Dr Paithos

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Originally by: General Windypops

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Edited by: General Windypops on 18/11/2007 21:58:42

Originally by: Dr Paithos

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Sorry there's a guy here with some terrible burns

i have to see him first

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I spurted my gin and tonic through my nose when I read that :(

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\o/ laughter is the best medicine, you heard it here first

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Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd

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Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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Love how the goon alts try to derail a thread about a significant internal struggle of their biggest ally.

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The thing you don't get, well, there are a lot of things you don't get. But the one particular thing you're not getting right now is this:
Goons don't care. We already know that the Russians are brusque and sometimes borderline rude with each other. THEY'RE RUSSIANS. That's just how they roll, dawg.

You might as well make a big deal about an alliance made up of people from South Carolina being absurdly, sickeningly polite and officious with each other. It's a cultural thing that doesn't translate into the same perceived intent that the OP is trying to hang upon it.

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Originally by: Orator Demosthenes

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Quote:

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SDG - Darky

RA is degrading and follows the road of IAC.

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Even RA acknowledge that IAC is sh1t , rofelcopter

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Originally by: KIATolon

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Even RA acknowledge that IAC is sh1t , rofelcopter

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and oddly, BoB still cant beat IAC.

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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words

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Originally by: Orator Demosthenes

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Quote:

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SDG - Darky

RA is degrading and follows the road of IAC.

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Even RA acknowledge that IAC is sh1t , rofelcopter

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Originally by: Kirja

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Bad news is that I missed this incredibly important post on RA forums.

Good news is that spies and CAOD keep me updated anyways. Keep up the good work guys. :)

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Originally by: Xade

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The future

Enjoy!

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Originally by: Xade

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Fake or not RA have created a bad situation for themselves in their space. If you fly through Goonswarm territory you hardly see a soul all these systems that were once controlled by LV and -V- never really seem to hold more that 2-3 characters. OK so Everyone is fighting BoB in BoB space at the moment maybe. However my point is this when the war is over or people just get bored with fighting it, do you think the undisciplined Goonswarm masses are going to sit around and twiddle their thumbs ?

What RA have done or are helping being achieved is replacing one large powerful greatly disliked or maybe misunderstood alliance, that is BoB with another who are widley unpopular on the forums and just as abusive in game. Whats BAD for RA is Goonswarm are right on their doorstep and thanks to RA are probably one of the most powerfull alliances in game even if they can't PvP any better than a trained monkey


The future

Enjoy!

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Originally by: Dafuzz

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Mactep, take a short break and get back in the saddle man, its just a game, and the people that ain't quite seen the ball since kickoff ain't worth you flipping out over.

In fact, I speak from experience.

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Originally by: Sluchainyi Chuvaak

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Originally by: Dafuzz

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Mactep, take a short break and get back in the saddle man, its just a game, and the people that ain't quite seen the ball since kickoff ain't worth you flipping out over.

In fact, I speak from experience.

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I think he pretty much did that. MACTEP`s post is half a year old. So it`s, basically, necro-spying. The lag between English and Russian-speaking communities is amazing, much like in RL.

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Originally by: Plutoinum

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Edited by: Plutoinum on 20/11/2007 01:30:38

Originally by: Sluchainyi Chuvaak

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Originally by: Dafuzz

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Mactep, take a short break and get back in the saddle man, its just a game, and the people that ain't quite seen the ball since kickoff ain't worth you flipping out over.

In fact, I speak from experience.

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I think he pretty much did that. MACTEP`s post is half a year old. So it`s, basically, necro-spying. The lag between English and Russian-speaking communities is amazing, much like in RL.

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Ok, you are right. We got owned. Thread on the screenshot is from January 2007. rofl.

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Originally by: Havoc GunStar

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Holy ****, tears of ******* laughter at the idea anyone would obey an order to attack RA. Slow day at the rumor mill?

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Originally by: Plutoinum

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Unlikely that Goonswarm starts war against RA. Why should they ?

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Originally by: Awox

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This is all lies, MACTEP told me so.

Awox, CEO
Russian Logistics Corp

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Originally by: xRazoRx

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So, what MRA stands for?

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Originally by: Setana Manoro

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Originally by: xRazoRx

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So, what MRA stands for?

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Read OP ... again. :)

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Originally by: KillaInDaHause

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Hot news from RA forum!

RA disbanding!!

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Originally by: Freaken Stain

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Originally by: KillaInDaHause

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Hot news from RA forum!

RA disbanding!!

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