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Soljah	Posted - 2004.03.04 19:16:00 - [1] Quote: "Regarding the mass killings in Yulai last night (3rd of March) As a lot of you are aware, a certain corp willingly exploited a fault in the game mechanics and managed to kill over a 100 people in the supposedly secure Yulai system last night. We have decreed that those who were the recipiants of this heinous crime will be fully reimbursed for their loss. If you are one of those who lost your belongings and still haven¦t petitioned us, please do so and we will see to it that your possessions are returned to you. The exploiters have received a ban for their efforts and anyone thinking of following their example should be aware that the same fate awaits them. - The GM Team " Not many online games wud do this, an trust me i play quite a few olot of em, and wud say welldone, shame about the bug exploit but hey, stuff happeneds. glad u banned them an gave the players their belongings back. =================================== Heaven An Hell Torpedoes 2004.08.01 05:25:56 Combat Your Heaven An Hell Torpedoes Perfectly strikes Sanshas Beast Lord Wrecking 1731.8 damage. The Hunt Can Soon Become The Hunted.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2004.03.04 19:47:00 - [2] What happend? ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Chelsea rorec	Posted - 2004.03.04 19:51:00 - [3] Zombie inc got banned I'd take this on bored if i was you m0o lol In b4 the lock
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2004.03.04 20:25:00 - [4] Quote: Zombie inc got banned I'd take this on bored if i was you m0o lol In b4 the lock huh? ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.03.04 20:28:00 - [5] It's the dyslexic pride parade, build a float and go along. fiir teh streapah! Convert Stations
Fuujin	Posted - 2004.03.04 20:59:00 - [6] Quote: How is what Zombie did an exploit or a fault in game mechanics? Everything they did appeared legit and above board, assuming this is what happened - Zombie sets up a shield tanked apoc at the gate with many smartbombs. apoc commences slaughtering neutrals and is attacked by concord. many other Zombie in scorps assume positions around the apoc and activate legit shield transfer units on the same, thus rendering it neigh on impossible for concord to destroy. There is no abuse, exploit or plain cheating involved. If yulai was supposed to be 100% secure, why doesnt it have sentry guns that deal 20,000 dmg with a 1000km range at the gates, or something else coded that cant be fairly beaten? Bans, even warnings for this are unfair in the best light. If my version of events is correct, everything Zombie pulled is legitimate, and good luck to them for finding a way to kill off some whining mining empire space carebares Even if you consider it one or not, they got banned for it.........so that kind of makes it an exploit _______________ The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
Orestes	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:00:00 - [7] The GM's say it's an exploit Thus, it's an exploit Join the IC!
Sally	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:01:00 - [8] Oh, a GM fanboy. -- Stories: #1 --
Fuujin	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:02:00 - [9] Quote: Oh, a GM fanboy. oh a non-GM fanboy Diffrence of opinion, deal with it. _______________ The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
Sally	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:03:00 - [10] Quote: The GM's say it's an exploit Thus, it's an exploit Yeah right. My definition: CCP considers something an exploit. Regardless of any common sense. Always been that way. -- Stories: #1 --
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:04:00 - [11] Sally would beat kids with a sledgehammer to steal their candy if there were no police, nevermind the sociopaths. Convert Stations
Fuujin	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:05:00 - [12] I'm sure she wakes up each morning and eats a bag on onions before touching the eve boards. _______________ The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
Orestes	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:05:00 - [13] Hey, no dissing Sally, he's entitled to his opinions, like everyone else Join the IC!
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:06:00 - [14] GMs have been wrong before, take the incident with m0o in Orvolle for example, lots of back treading on that one, no? ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
MrBinary	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:06:00 - [15] "There is no abuse, exploit or plain cheating involved." You are wrong. The GM's say it was wrong...that makes it wrong. I swear some of you don't seem to know or understand, what or who the GM's are. Common sence is the rarest commodity, MrBinary "[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary"
Sally	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:06:00 - [16] Quote: Sally would beat kids with a sledgehammer to steal their candy if there were no police, nevermind the sociopaths. Nice offense here. Hope you get suspended from the forums for that for a few days. -- Stories: #1 --
Deloup Drakar	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:07:00 - [17] Quote: How is what Zombie did an exploit or a fault in game mechanics? Everything they did appeared legit and above board, assuming this is what happened - Zombie sets up a shield tanked apoc at the gate with many smartbombs. apoc commences slaughtering neutrals and is attacked by concord. many other Zombie in scorps assume positions around the apoc and activate legit shield transfer units on the same, thus rendering it neigh on impossible for concord to destroy. There is no abuse, exploit or plain cheating involved. If yulai was supposed to be 100% secure, why doesnt it have sentry guns that deal 20,000 dmg with a 1000km range at the gates, or something else coded that cant be fairly beaten? Bans, even warnings for this are unfair in the best light. If my version of events is correct, everything Zombie pulled is legitimate, and good luck to them for finding a way to kill off some whining mining empire space carebares It's an exploit of the flawed AI that CONCORD won't go after the people using the shield emitters on the shield-tanking apocs, just the person doing the actual attacking. A proper AI for CONCORD would involve them attacking the shield tanking apoc and the scorps that are giving him shield since they are interfering with the law. Consider in RL officers chasing down a criminal, but people in the neighborhood are tossing stuff in front of the cops to slow them down, or shutting doors/gates behind the criminal. It's obstruction of justice and in RL they don't stand for it, so why should it be ok to exploit the current flaw in the AI of CONCORD. The GMs already have stated that people aiding a agressor will be seen as an agressor in Shiva, however they don't think that will get ported into Castor, so they will do a fix on Castor for the time being.
Ishkur	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:08:00 - [18] Yup. This one will get the lock for "trolling". They all get locked for "trolling." What is "trolling" anyway? I think it is whenever they want to lock something, they say, "locked for trolling/flaming" and then that's it. Of course, that's just me. Also, it discusses an exploit (never mind that the GMs post these things on the forums and/or in-game news, we are supposed to read it and then pretend we never saw it). waits for the inevitable click My favorite is when they locked Pann's thread though, and said it was for trolling. That was a classic.
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:08:00 - [19] theyt should make a new playable server non carebear that u can use on existing accounts. not like chaos i mean from scratch.. think of all the 1.0 frig wars... and of couse no exr=tra payment. all important "Teh lord of Nonni"
ZelRox	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:11:00 - [20] Try to look at it this way. 2 known pirate corps. Zombie Inc want fun. They go grief some noobs. m0o wants fun. They go fight it out with the CA. Difference in style and CLASS, ey ? ---------------------- I wanna tuc tuc ..
Fuujin	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:13:00 - [21] Quote: theyt should make a new playable server non carebear that u can use on existing accounts. not like chaos i mean from scratch.. think of all the 1.0 frig wars... and of couse no exr=tra payment. all important Not everyone wishes to play pirate or fight or whatever. Thats the reason secure space exists, it's so people that can go through the game mining/trading/producing/whatever safely. Just because they choose to play that way doesn't make them any less entitled to the game then you. _______________ The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
Hematic	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:24:00 - [22] Quote: m0o wants fun. They go fight it out with the CA. You apparently haven't been around long enough to see all the arguing m0o used to do with the GMs. Maybe m0o was never banned because they have a bit of repore(sp?) with CCP from being in beta? Who knows. Personally banning is a bit harsh imo for using game play. Maybe CCP should just institue a system that works and that way no one would get banned.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:29:00 - [23] Would you also have had no problem with RUS having access to virtually endless supplies of megacyte because their use of the duplication exploit, and subsequent loss of a substantial amount in an indy in Catch (that certainly rings a bell to recent events, non?) alerted CCP to the problem and, as such, they should be congratulated? Any and all exploits should be dealt with in the same harsh manner - nothing else will deter future abuse. Zombie will serve their ban but, in the end, people will make heroes out of them. That's punishment and reward enough. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Basileus	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:34:00 - [24] Edited by: Basileus on 04/03/2004 21:36:57 Quote: The GM's say it's an exploit Thus, it's an exploit Yes, and the GM's know it all, don't they? O dear, did we just start to discuss the GM's actions? That's not allowed, isn't it? You sad, sad people. You just got whooped big time, and the only thing you can come up with is to ban people who were smarter than you. Now,... where have I heard that one before...
Fuujin	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:36:00 - [25] Quote: Quote: The GM's say it's an exploit Thus, it's an exploit Yes, and the GM's know it all, don't they? O dear, did we just start to discuss the GM's actions? That's not allowed, is it? You sad, sad people. You just got whooped big time, and the only thing you can come up with is to ban people who were smarter than you. Now,... where have I heard that one before... They are GM's for a reason, their word is law, wether you like it or not. _______________ The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
Nybbas	Posted - 2004.03.04 21:46:00 - [26] GMs word is law, and zombie taking advantage of a flaw in game mechanics (namely concord not attacking suport ships) is EXPLOITING that flaw and they did it, not just killing a bunch of carebears, but people new to the game who are not yet ready to go out into 0.0 and fight, (because we ALLL know if you dont go kill people in 0.0 and all you wanna do is hunt npc pirates and mine in security you are a carebear ) were being slaughtered, this is not fun, someone new to the game sees this and thinks, what the hell? they were exploiting and i am OVERJOYED at their punishment.
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.03.04 22:10:00 - [27] I think that as long as it is possible to attack innocent people in empire space, every player has a right to try to figure out a way to pull it off without getting killed by the police. It may be considered an exploit by some, but tactics like this one can't be compared to exploiting a dup bug or something like that. Out witting the system using normal game play tactics should be allowed. After something like this occurs, the GMs obviously need to change the way the game works to prevent it from happening again, but I don't think that individuals that pulled it off should be banned. One of the coolest things about eve is that it doesn't completely sepearte the PvP'ers from the carebears. Everybody has to live in one world. And all PvP'ers should be allowed to dream about someday taking over empire space. It should be nearly impossible, but if you make it impossible then it becomes unrealistic and boring.
Basileus	Posted - 2004.03.04 22:20:00 - [28] Quote: ...but tactics like this one can't be compared to exploiting a dup bug or something like that. Out witting the system using normal game play tactics should be allowed. ... After something like this occurs, the GMs obviously need to change the way the game works to prevent it from happening again, but I don't think that individuals that pulled it off should be banned. I could not agree with you more.
Vodalus	Posted - 2004.03.04 23:02:00 - [29] Maybe they got banned because the GM's showed up, and asked them to stop, but they refused? -------------------------------------------------------------- Originally by: Oveur EVE is primarily a PVP game
dalman	Posted - 2004.03.04 23:11:00 - [30] Quote: Maybe they got banned because the GM's showed up, and asked them to stop, but they refused? Exactly. Senior GMs told them to stop it. They didn't stop it. Quote: SUSPENSION AND BAN POLICY 7. MISCELLANEOUS Severe offenses may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player: a. Fails to follow the instructions of authorized EVE personnel. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30

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