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Ventallia Renvess	Posted - 2007.11.21 03:25:00 - [121] Edited by: Ventallia Renvess on 21/11/2007 03:26:05 ----------- Rawr, I'm a manatee
Copine Callmeknau Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.21 03:26:00 - [122] You guys died in a lvl 4 mission, with two of you? .... lol ----- Originally by: Patch86 Depressing as hell though. By the end, you feel like someone's eaten your kitten.
Ilvan	Posted - 2007.11.21 03:29:00 - [123] Originally by: James Duar Predictably this thread has the usual amount of "hurr well sucks to be you" towards the disabled. I'm with everyone who supports modifying the game to be more friendly towards color deficient players - no one can sit here and genuinely say that there isn't a problem in EVE currently with trying to determine who is applying what effects to you, color deficient or not. Indeed. It's not like making the UI more accessible to colour-blind people is a huge undertaking. A simple config file that lets you set the colour of UI elements would be more than enough.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.21 03:29:00 - [124] Originally by: James Duar Predictably this thread has the usual amount of "hurr well sucks to be you" towards the disabled. I'm with everyone who supports modifying the game to be more friendly towards color deficient players - no one can sit here and genuinely say that there isn't a problem in EVE currently with trying to determine who is applying what effects to you, color deficient or not. even more predictably it is filled with selfrighteous idiots like this who offer no CONSTRUCTIVE feedback and like to look down on other people who have posted Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.21 03:43:00 - [125] This is the most ridiculous thread I've ever read. "My friend died in a mission because he's colorblind." What rubbish. 1. If he was going to die in mission, he would've died regardless of being colorblind or not. 2. If he needed to warp out, he should've simply killed the frigates first had he had the sense. If he had a bit of know how about him as well he'd know that scramblers have different names from typical ships. 3. In PVP, -10s are red but they also have a minus (-) indicator so regardless of color he should be able to distinguish between good guy and bad. Then you complain about stop lights. Surprise! I'm red-green deficient, and so is my pops, and his before him, and I can drive fine (as we all could) because red lights are always on top, green ones are always on bottom and yellow ones come... ready for it? INBETWEEN! Quit being melodramatic.
Trind2222 Amarr Celestial Pillagers Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.11.21 04:11:00 - [126] 1. Golden rule in eve is don't fly any thing you can't afford for. 2.sound this guy is going for lvl 4 right away some thing new(noob's) people shod not do. 3.can i have your suff?
Daelorn State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.21 04:27:00 - [127] Edited by: Daelorn on 21/11/2007 04:27:11 90% of the people who replied in this thread are in fact idiots. Please don't reproduce. Please.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.21 04:30:00 - [128] Originally by: Daelorn Edited by: Daelorn on 21/11/2007 04:27:11 90% of the people who replied in this thread are in fact idiots. Please don't reproduce. Please. and your post makes... 91% Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Daelorn State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.21 04:37:00 - [129] Edited by: Daelorn on 21/11/2007 04:37:04
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.11.21 04:55:00 - [130] I'd like to point out that according to a dev interview from several years ago, Eve has one of the higher rates of disabled gamers playing it. The relatively simple point and click interface is actually more attractive to disabled gamers who do not have the reflexes to play FPS style games. Eve is a game like chess that relies on mental abilities rather than physical when planning PvP and other encounters, such as knowing that rats with certain names warp scramble, especially since no one with even 20/10 vision can tell which one is scrambling them. As for color-blindness, CCP has actually tried to make the game better for those with it (though they have several steps to go). The added the check and X system with skills to tell if you can train it or not. Now they just have to work on the active/inactive UI icons. Originally by: Karen Serasia Because some idiot decided to sell an internet connection to me and didn't think of the consequences.
Hulkon	Posted - 2007.11.21 05:00:00 - [131] Who cares? A lot of people, but who ~really~ cares enough to cancel there subscription to make CCP want to change their game that much. 2 people? Thirty dollars a month. From a business stand point that seems a bit irrational. I mean their spending a few thousand bucks changing a few things so two dudes don't quit. C'mon this may be game which profits on fun but it has to profit.. Sure they could still profit spending a few bucks but then Himlar couldn't buy another yacht. So please before you whine about how some game isn't fair on your disability think of Himlar Purssens yacht collection and how much everyone doesn't ~really~ care.
Arii Smith Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.11.21 06:24:00 - [132] I love the sense of entitlement in the OP, I realize I am late to the party but I just gotta toss in my two cents. Do you really think that because god handed your mate a ****ty set of cards that CCP should have to cater him? What a joke.
Eulalinda Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.21 06:51:00 - [133] Edited by: Eulalinda on 21/11/2007 06:52:51 Originally by: spambunker 3) Incidents like this grind into you the fact that what could very easily be a non-issue is in fact an impairing disability ONLY BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE CCP DON'T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. Yep. The world's top public intellectual, Noam Chomsky, has a book called Profit Over People. It's about how corporations and businesses (like CCP) are after one thing and one thing only. Usually, the only constraint against them is public outcry. I'm with you!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.21 07:09:00 - [134] Originally by: Eulalinda Edited by: Eulalinda on 21/11/2007 06:52:51 Originally by: spambunker 3) Incidents like this grind into you the fact that what could very easily be a non-issue is in fact an impairing disability ONLY BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE CCP DON'T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. Yep. The world's top public intellectual, Noam Chomsky, has a book called Profit Over People. It's about how corporations and businesses (like CCP) are after one thing and one thing only. Usually, the only constraint against them is public outcry. I'm with you! A book suggesting that businesses prioritize profit? Truly this man has a formidable intellect. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Eulalinda Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.21 07:26:00 - [135] ...While ignoring human suffering.
Cyriel Longinus XERCORE	Posted - 2007.11.21 07:39:00 - [136] Hey OP, Your friend could train up for a Drake or Nighthawk. The Nighthawk would be the better. Then your Level 4 Missions would be easy as load, lock and shoot while you roam about your flat doing your domestic business. The tank on the well fitted Nighthawk is impenetrable by Level 4 Missions, even if you did manage to agro all the NPCs. You would have enough time to kill all the Frigs and make an exit if for some reason the damage looked as though it would overwhelm you.
Cygnus Zhada Amarr The Wild Hunt Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.21 09:14:00 - [137] I know someone who is almost completely disabled and (as far as I understood) can only move his head. He is able, to a point ofcourse, to play EVE but it forced into a carebear role, PVP would be way to fast paced for him. The thing is that YES, the UI is still crap and YES the scramble effect is difficult to notice, so yes it could be tweaked a whole lot. BUT starting an "OMG CCP ARE TEH DEVILS" post doesn't quite fit with this. I think that's why people are reacting as they are. Welcome to EVE Online: Press 1 for Caldari, PVE Online Press 2 for Minmatar, PVP Online Press 3 for Gallente, PWN Online Press 4 for Amarr, Lulz Online
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.11.21 09:23:00 - [138] Originally by: spambunker The example of the day seems to be the red/green they use for active/inactive modules. Which non-colour-deficient players complained about the day they were brought in. Forget colour vision, you can't see that against the background in Korsiki. ----- "Why can't you just be friends?" -- Oveur
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.21 09:35:00 - [139] Edited by: Andrue on 21/11/2007 09:37:59 Originally by: Cyriel Longinus Hey OP, Your friend could train up for a Drake or Nighthawk. The Nighthawk would be the better. Then your Level 4 Missions would be easy as load, lock and shoot while you roam about your flat doing your domestic business. The tank on the well fitted Nighthawk is impenetrable by Level 4 Missions, even if you did manage to agro all the NPCs. You would have enough time to kill all the Frigs and make an exit if for some reason the damage looked as though it would overwhelm you. Very true. I don't even have a shield booster fitted. I do occasionally glance at the shield/cap readout but it's rarely worth the bother. I think since completing my faction fitting I've never seen the shields go below 60% but even a T2 fitting is unlikely to drop below 50%. 'course it runs the missions a little slower than a CNR but not that much really. It's probably faster than a Raven. Not forgetting that HMs are reasonably effective against frigs as well. That means that even if you have to kill them and even if you've lost all your drones you can still do it quick enough to get out before you're into structure. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Karjala Inc. Onnenpyora	Posted - 2007.11.21 10:58:00 - [140] Some UI button colors suck, I'm not uh "disabled" or whatsoever more than average guy (:P) but I still sometimes have difficulties to figure out if my module is activated or not for example. In my opinion EVE UI needs imrovements like icons showing different states of ship (warp scrambled, damped, jammed etc.) and module activation/reloading etc. should be made easier. I don't want to click 8 icons just to activate my all modules with at least 1 second delay on everything. Like said this is not fps shooter game and we shouldn't be relying on information we get by looking around or refreshing scanner every 1 second. While I think the op and his pal are overreacting, I think there's a point there too.
Bentula	Posted - 2007.11.21 12:06:00 - [141] Edited by: Bentula on 21/11/2007 12:06:41 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Bentula Its like not offering your place in the bus to the old lady who obviously is in pain standing Video Games: As Important As Public Transport Its about empathy, not games or public transport. If your only reason for not helping someone in any kind of situation is that you dont have to do it thats not a good attitude.
Kendar Zek Gallente Interstellar Aid Society	Posted - 2007.11.21 12:09:00 - [142] There's an effect indicator for this sort of thing? I've been playing for a long time, and I never even knew about it! As others have said, the best thing to do is to know your NPCs and understand which of them can scramble, jam, dampen, and do all manner of vile things other than shoot. I, too, am color deficient. My color deficiency prevented me from pursuing a very promising career in nuclear propulsion with the US Navy. Much like the Navy, however, it is not CCP's fault that my own medical condition precludes me from doing certain things as well as I could, or should. -- Owner, Venture Racing Team
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards	Posted - 2007.11.21 12:38:00 - [143] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I wish CCP would prepare an accessibility patch in their next content enhancement. I know people have green-red problems and an accessibility patch would encourage people to fight in combat. Some icons like corp mates and war targets are confusing for visually impaired players. If CCP couldn't change colors then change icons. Make it so corp mates are the green with white stars and hostiles are red with yellow circular bull eyes. It is not that hard. :s All men have some degree of red-green colourblindness. But most will never even realise it. If they did this when you were a kid, and showed you the pictures made of coloured dots with a symbol in the middle, girls would always score better because of this. On average, obviously. ~Ryoji Tanakama Daikoku Fleet Shipyards

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Bentula	Posted - 2007.11.21 15:45:00 - [145] This is a basic colortest colortest. I dont have any color deficit im aware of, but i still have trouble recognising some of the numbers. Maybe more of us are affected than we think?
DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2007.11.21 16:09:00 - [146] To the Op:: if ccp would have added a indicator to the ship using that EW on you (a small icon next to the ship) is what everyone has been asking for for a long time then that might solve your pals problem, if not then mayb it would be nice if ccp would let you adjust the effects color. I am sure that could be done but not sure they would take the time to do it :/.. To everyone who tells the Op that no one can see it:: Your all stoopid. To everyone who tells the Op he shouldnt do missions without using websites:: That's valid but some people do run missions before they show up on websites, and some guys like to do things without being 100% prepared To everyone who says that "No one ever looks to see what ship is webbing me so I can kill it":: Stop telling lies!
Loedem Minmatar Knockaround Guys	Posted - 2007.11.21 20:10:00 - [147] To the OP. I agree that color blindness is a challenge to overcome with gaming, but I don't agree with your logic that failure to address disabilities in games is in the developer's court, thus making them apathetic if they miss a disability. Just by that notion, you open a TON of disabilities that need to addressed other than color blindness, which are really too much of a burden to code directly into the game when there's workarounds and alternatives already available through the PC industry. You can modify the RGB, Brightness, Contrast, and Gamma with most video cards (go under settings, advanced and launch your video card's control panel...both ATI and Nvidia cards support these tweaks). Sure it will look odd, but the colors that were missed before will stand out more. Having a disability is always a challenge, but that's part of life. You have those that adapt to those challenges, and you have those that expect it to be the responsibility of others to compensate. To a degree, things in life should be made with disabilities in mind...in the US it's the law to have wheelchair ramps to public buildings. But color blindness is less dehabilitating, a challenge nonetheless and I feel your friend's frustration...but there's solutions available already that you should look into before assuming the developer should have thought those things through.
TimMc Skiddies of Doom	Posted - 2007.11.21 23:31:00 - [148] As horrible as a disability colourblindness or any disability is, CCP at the end of the day are a capital company - meaning they go where the money is. If enough people with similar disabilities wanted to play eve then I'm sure they would invest in the feature. Most games, however, do not feature many if any disability options. I'm fairly sure there is some way through graphics drivers or windows to replace colours tho, is it?
DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2007.11.22 00:39:00 - [149] Originally by: TimMc As horrible as a disability colourblindness or any disability is, CCP at the end of the day are a capital company - meaning they go where the money is. If enough people with similar disabilities wanted to play eve then I'm sure they would invest in the feature. Most games, however, do not feature many if any disability options. I'm fairly sure there is some way through graphics drivers or windows to replace colours tho, is it? People seem to think that "online" disabilitys seem to include no legs, lack of pecker, or inability to **** on demand.... (not pointing at you TimMc)... But yea, ccp's in it for profit, allowing someone to change the default colors on a few items tho (to help capture some of the R/G colorblind market) seems like something that should be easy to do :/.. Graphic Drivers/Windows to do that, not really, But you can filter a lot of it, and shift colors around a lot.. You cant easily shift say, Red to Blue, or Green to Yelow.. (there's a lot of combos people can be color blind to, I just used red/green as it's one of the most common).. WoW actually has a (I think Unofficial patch) for colorblind people. I mean, I'll go back to what I said earlier, If it's just a simple color selection change, CCP should do it, the few extra customers they pick up by doing it would probably pay for the effort!
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2007.11.22 06:34:00 - [150] As has been stated, it is hard to see the Scram effect for everyone and the sound it makes is very subtle. CCP would help us all if it amped the volume on that and gave a little notice saying you are being scrammed for more than just a second. One of my Mates however is legally blind and he would definately appricate any sort of higher contrast that could be implimented. But he manages to play the game, which is downright amazing in all truth and while he cannot handle combat too well he can do a lot of other things in EvE because it provides for more than just 1 activity. +++++++++++++++ I saw the Sign...! O.o

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