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Rilder Caldari THC LTD	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:02:00 - [31] Edited by: Rilder on 25/11/2007 11:02:22 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Then make the Drake into an armor tanking and missile spewing battlecruiser with a drone bay size matching other battlecruisers please. The Drake is Caldari.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:04:00 - [32] Originally by: Rilder Edited by: Rilder on 25/11/2007 11:02:22 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Then make the Drake into an armor tanking and missile spewing battlecruiser with a drone bay size matching other battlecruisers please. The Drake is Caldari. So? On my very first character (Amarr) I shield tanked an Apoc somehow... and the tank worked! I still don't remember what the hell I did Originally by: ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues. Weekly quote: "Villains always have antidotes... They're funny that way." ~The Tick
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:09:00 - [33] Even the best tank is nto really true. A tank focused BS will usually outtank Commandships. Any Tier 3 BS will do it in fact. They are pretty balanced I would say. They will kill more than BS also because they lock faster and they can move faster. But put them on a hug fleet fight and they are just as interesting as a normal BC ( in a 100 vs 100 battles, if you are in a HUrricane or sleipnir makes very little difference) If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Rilder Caldari THC LTD	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:10:00 - [34] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: Rilder Edited by: Rilder on 25/11/2007 11:02:22 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Then make the Drake into an armor tanking and missile spewing battlecruiser with a drone bay size matching other battlecruisers please. The Drake is Caldari. So? On my very first character (Amarr) I shield tanked an Apoc somehow... and the tank worked! I still don't remember what the hell I did I was more thinking of the bonuses it'd get but yeah people armor tank ravens sometimes.
ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:13:00 - [35] Commandship pro's: Good dps, good res, faster and more agile then a bs. Cons: Will get killed by a battleship pilot with the same ammount of sp, high price, high skill req, only two rig slots. No the commandship isnt really overpowerd, the best pvp'ers in commandships today fly those cause for them the ship adds a new aspect after having flown battleships for as long as they have. Before you say the commandships are owerpowerd, you have to take into consideration the ammount of sp most good commandship pilot has, and the ammount of experience as well
Scott Ryder Infestation. The Cosa Nostra	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:15:00 - [36] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Commandship pro's: Good dps, good res, faster and more agile then a bs. Cons: Will get killed by a battleship pilot with the same ammount of sp, high price, high skill req, only two rig slots. No the commandship isnt really overpowerd, the best pvp'ers in commandships today fly those cause for them the ship adds a new aspect after having flown battleships for as long as they have. Before you say the commandships are owerpowerd, you have to take into consideration the ammount of sp most good commandship pilot has, and the ammount of experience as well What you said. Love your sig, is olata still playing Eve btw? At least get your facts before you nerf signatures, You just removed the picture of a dead Santa, and not the text where he was told to just pay the ransom, and THEN it was eve related
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:15:00 - [37] That's Eve... there's really way too many variables to take into account to make any reasonable arguement here Originally by: ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues. Weekly quote: "Villains always have antidotes... They're funny that way." ~The Tick
Bomerang Dai Dai Hai	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:20:00 - [38] I die more often in a cruiser than in my command ship, therefore command ships are overpowered.. yeah, right. How much must I pay to get the old Jenny back ?
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:25:00 - [39] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 25/11/2007 11:25:50 Hmmmmmmmmmm. I am not sure should I be worried or not but you guys especially vets are telling me because it takes one year to skill up for a ship and if you know what you are doing and it is a bit of a pwnmobile it should remain as one. Is that what you are trying to tell me? When T2 battleships come into game, they would take up to 2 years to skill up and vets would be advantaging from them from experience. If they do become pwnmobiles, they should be pwnmobiles. Is that also what you want me to think? EDIT: Bomerang, too much ISKs :( --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Grunanca BLACK-FLAG	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:29:00 - [40] Considering you can lose 7 battleships (not counting modules here) with insurance on, with the same loss as if you flew and lost 1 Sleipnir, no I dont thing they are overpowered, they take many times the skill of a battleship (around 160 days), and they are way more expensive.
Scott Ryder Infestation. The Cosa Nostra	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:31:00 - [41] You throw the word vet and pwn mobile around to much. You bought a char, say jenny can fly commandships, but the one who bought it has no clue how to use it. It isnt only the sp that mather, its the person using the computer aswell. And no a commandship isnt a solopwn mobile if it was, someone would be solo camping a lowsec gate killing carriers and battleships all day with it. No its a ship wich requires more skilling and is therefor better then the t1 ships. spend a year skilling for it and you might have some insight. At least get your facts before you nerf signatures, You just removed the picture of a dead Santa, and not the text where he was told to just pay the ransom, and THEN it was eve related
ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:33:00 - [42] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 25/11/2007 11:27:19 Hmmmmmmmmmm. I am not sure should I be worried or not but you guys especially vets are telling me because it takes one year to skill up for a ship and if you know what you are doing and it is a bit of a pwnmobile it should remain as one. Is that what you are trying to tell me? When T2 battleships come into game, they would take up to 2 years to skill up and vets would be advantaging them from experience. If they do become pwnmobiles, they should be pwnmobiles. Is that also what you want me to think? EDIT: Bomerang, too much ISKs :( Well, this is a game were vets do have have an advantage when it comes to skill points, no doubt about it, and i see nothing wrong with that either. But the real advantage is never the ammount of sp but how well your able to use the ship your piloting, and that comes from experience, not sp. Chances of the new t2 bs becoming sorts of a solo pwnmobile is rather high, but the price of them will also dictate the fact that you wont see many ppl flying around solo in them at all.
Jupiter Sun	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:33:00 - [43] A full estamel passive tank on a nighthawk is like capital ship sized O_o
Scott Ryder Infestation. The Cosa Nostra	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:37:00 - [44] You seems to have misunderstood the entire balance concept. Im not even gonna bother giving you more attention, you seems to be somewhat disoriented. At least get your facts before you nerf signatures, You just removed the picture of a dead Santa, and not the text where he was told to just pay the ransom, and THEN it was eve related
Grunanca BLACK-FLAG	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:41:00 - [45] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 25/11/2007 11:27:19 Hmmmmmmmmmm. I am not sure should I be worried or not but you guys especially vets are telling me because it takes one year to skill up for a ship and if you know what you are doing and it is a bit of a pwnmobile it should remain as one. Is that what you are trying to tell me? When T2 battleships come into game, they would take up to 2 years to skill up and vets would be advantaging them from experience. If they do become pwnmobiles, they should be pwnmobiles. Is that also what you want me to think? EDIT: Bomerang, too much ISKs :( Why would you ever use a command ship solo? Of course as you bought your char, you wouldnt know a damn thing about EVE, but for the people who work for isk and actually spend the time training, it would be insane to send out a ship that expensive which can be ganked by 1-2 BS or a small gang of HACs. The only place a command ship belong is in a gang, and there it does it job well, just like it should. And what about motherships then? You are aware these are even more difficult to kill right? And surprise surprise! They cost more!!!
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:44:00 - [46] Originally by: Incantare on the other hand they still have BC level cap and can't take as much neuting.Where's the imbalance? Neuting? who needs cap anyways? But ur right though, there not that overpowered at all, esp if u consider the skills neede to pilot them right. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:44:00 - [47] nope and stfu... troll
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.25 12:18:00 - [48] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire ... a bit overpowered and imbalanced? I am asking fellow pilots of this honest and noble community because I feel command ships are overpowered and imbalanced. I have heard and seen most pilots who are successful in their combat engagements usually have better kill : death ratio when they are flying command ships. If they fly non-command ships then their death : kill ratio would be higher. What do you community think, are my observations accurate and precise? Please tell me your success stories with command ships. If you'd had to actually put the time and effort into skilling for them rather than just buying a character with the skill, you might feel a little differently. They take a LOT of SP to get, and especially if you're flying Fleet Command Ships, even more SP to use properly, comparable with capital ships. My alt is coming to the end of a 7-month skill plan to get in to one. It'll be another 6 months before she can use it to maximum effect, I reckon. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Korad Konstentyn The Genyosha Society PURGE.	Posted - 2007.11.25 12:20:00 - [49] ya know.. (and I should know too)... if Jenny is such a damn carebear what the hell is she doing in THE CHURCH ? (home of everyones favorite.. INFOD) Urgh.. I feel owned...Jenny is a HUGE troll..ignore the carebear routine folks, its a lie, Jenny is a troll, just ignore the hell out of her. The character was bought JUST to mess with people... end of story, dont feel the troll, that all Jenny is
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.25 12:25:00 - [50] Reaches out and feels the troll Originally by:* ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues. Weekly quote: "Villains always have antidotes... They're funny that way." ~The Tick
Korad Konstentyn The Genyosha Society PURGE.	Posted - 2007.11.25 12:30:00 - [51] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny *Reaches out and feels the troll yeah, I sat there and looked at that post afterwards.. and just thought 'what have my typo's wrought?!' ah well, have at it folks, there's more where that came from..
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.11.25 12:34:00 - [52] Command ships were pretty much the only class of ship I've not heard people complaining about, up until now. I don't fly them personally, but I've been involved in enough command ship kills to be pretty certain they're fine as they are. They hurt if you're on the unfriendly end of one, certainly, but they die just like everything else if you use the right tactics. Oh and guys, seriously - it was just a question. Just because you aren't answering "yes" does not make it flame-bait. If you'd just said something civil like "no, I don't think so, here are some facts to support my viewpoint" then this WOULDN'T be a troll thread. Seriously, whoever first called it a troll thread actually turned it into one. - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
Korad Konstentyn The Genyosha Society PURGE.	Posted - 2007.11.25 12:37:00 - [53] Originally by: Stitcher Seriously, whoever first called it a troll thread actually turned it into one. unless you can show me proof otherwise, I am currently convinced that Jenny's character was purchased specifically for the purpose of trolling the forums. The more I look at her post history, the more this is pseudo-ironically implicit to it all.
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.25 12:46:00 - [54] Command ships are perfectly fine. They're like BS, only they cost more, generally have somewhat lesser DPS, have less cap...and don't insure for anywhere near full cost. The updside: they're faster by a significant amount, and their resists kick ass. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Beth Dei Gallente 242nd Front	Posted - 2007.11.25 12:53:00 - [55] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny If anything needs further nerfing it's that damn god-tank on the drake This.
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.11.25 13:07:00 - [56] Originally by: Korad Konstentyn Originally by: Stitcher Seriously, whoever first called it a troll thread actually turned it into one. unless you can show me proof otherwise, I am currently convinced that Jenny's character was purchased specifically for the purpose of trolling the forums. The more I look at her post history, the more this is pseudo-ironically implicit to it all. Nevertheless, by rising to that assumed trolling, people have contributed to this thread's negative atmosphere far more than the Jenny Spitfire character has. The best way to deal with a troll, IMO, is to treat them with civility and maturity, rather than brandishing the pitchforks and flaming torches. the OPer may have started with the intention of causing a flam war, but it's all the other posters who have done the actual flaming. "Not feeling the troll" does not necessarily prevent you from posting an informed opinion, does it? - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
Haks'he Lirky Dominion Imperium	Posted - 2007.11.25 13:09:00 - [57] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire What do you community think, are my observations accurate and precise? Please tell me your success stories with command ships. No your observations are not accurate nor precise, command ships are perfectly inline with the skill training and cost required to field one. I don't fly one, but I have killed a few and they go down like any other ship. In fact it's great that they exist as they are as some of the people flying them obviously think the same thing you do, so getting fights with CS pilots is usually easy.
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.11.25 13:24:00 - [58] Originally by: Korad Konstentyn Originally by: Stitcher "Not feeling the troll" does not necessarily prevent you from posting an informed opinion, does it? yep, no argument there, but my point stands. the new Jenny's uber-carebear stance, and all her posting, are not intended to promote intelligence discourse.. she's just trolling the forums by acting as the diametric opposite to the previous persona. let's put it this way.. I could start a thread about 'as fellow jews, do you agree we deserved 2500 years of persecution', and probably get some intelligent discourse on the matter.. ...but the moment someone discovers im not Jewish, it renders the whole conversation a little....tainted.. wouldnt you agree? And i've probably got this whole thread locked now. but at least I'll be able to accuse CCP of anti-semitism if that's the case.. lol point taken I guess. I just don't believe in rising to stuff like that. The nature of the OP may taint the subject at hand, but it doesn't necessarily invalidate it. We can use the original troll question as a springboard for actual conversation on the subject, and then ignore the OP after that point if we like. - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
iiOs	Posted - 2007.11.25 13:25:00 - [59] this thread smells
Korad Konstentyn The Genyosha Society PURGE.	Posted - 2007.11.25 13:27:00 - [60] Originally by: Stitcher We can use the original troll then join me, let the hatred take over, it is your destiny ... together we can destroy Jenny, as Quoter and Quotee together...

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