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Drykor
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.11.25 20:32:00 -
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Good thing no one takes Jenny serious.
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adriaans
Amarr Advanced Capital Ship Designs
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Posted - 2007.11.25 20:34:00 -
[92]
no, i think they should be buffed.... small drones? WTF? it s a COMMAND ship after all...at least 5 medium drones...(amarr) (field command) -sig-
Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr! (Or make Amarr the only race able to deal EM damage from turrets).
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Auron Shadowbane
Teeth Of The Hydra R i s e
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Posted - 2007.11.25 20:41:00 -
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k/d ratio for command ships pilots is good because it isnt harmed by noobs who cant fly for **** and die by 100s.
if you fly a command ship you'll usually have t2 gun, t2 tank and prolly even "semi perfect" lvl4/5 in everything related to the ship.
at same time their gank/tank ratio is very much centered around tanking and so they wont get primaried soon. easy to get high k/d ratio if you dont get primaried unless your gang ****s up and dies...
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Scott Ryder
Infestation. The Cosa Nostra
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Posted - 2007.11.25 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: Scott Ryder on 25/11/2007 20:41:17 Well she is trying to create a flamefest here obviously. Noone in eVe (as she thinks it is called) think commandships are overpowered. They are one of the ships in the game that actually could use a small buff. Nothing major, just some ability to field medium drones or something similar.
Edit: Removed profanity (and agreeing what he above me said)
At least get your facts before you nerf signatures, You just removed the picture of a dead Santa, and not the text where he was told to just pay the ransom, and THEN it was eve related
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2007.11.25 20:48:00 -
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The command ship is supposed to be the strongest link in the chain. The power of the fleet. I think with its large skill reqs and time to train and fly it successfully is in line with its power. Of course, I'd rather fly my drake or a HAC, than skill up to fly a command ship.
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2007.11.25 21:03:00 -
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Just like any other ship, command ships are laughably easy to kill. I've done it many times in a curse, arbitrator, T1 BC, and BS... solo. I'll jump a Command boat more often than I'll consider taking on a Drake or HAC or anything that's FoTM nano'd to the nines (even nano'd a CS is rather slow, comperably).
They're not overpowered for what they're intended to do and a good pilot in one is a dangerous enemy... or a pod sitting among the twisted ruins if you're just a little smart about defining the encounter rather than letting them do it.
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Aian Genkotsu
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Posted - 2007.11.25 21:19:00 -
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It seems like you have a problem with the fact that if you spend a lot of time and money for a ship that it's going to be stronger than a ship you spend less time and money on. That's how rpgs work. The more time you spend in an rpg the better stuff you get. Command ships are more powerful than battlecruisers and on a slightly lower level than battleships. Seems to me that's exactly the niche they're supposed to fill. Trying to say a class of ship is unbalanced compared to a different class is something you can't definetively prove. It's like comparing apples and oranges.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.11.25 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jagaroth
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Korad Konstentyn Hi, Jenny you bought your account, from someone we liked;
My god do people still believe this?
SKUNK
Yes. Tried and tested. Example (real Jen would know answer, false Jen won't answer at all) question: "What would be your processor of choice?"
Balls. The 'new' jenny is ofc the old jenny. just trolling form a different angle. And indeed doing quite well at it.
SKUNK
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Jagaroth
Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.11.25 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk Balls. The 'new' jenny is ofc the old jenny. just trolling form a different angle. And indeed doing quite well at it. SKUNK
I'll believe that when I see the correct answer.  ------
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.11.25 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jagaroth
Originally by: Le Skunk Balls. The 'new' jenny is ofc the old jenny. just trolling form a different angle. And indeed doing quite well at it. SKUNK
I'll believe that when I see the correct answer. 
Why would the old jenny answer when not answering promotes the idea of a 'new' jenny?
Faulty test is faulty. -
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Karjala Inc. Onnenpyora
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Posted - 2007.11.25 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Laechyd Eldgorn on 25/11/2007 22:56:22
Quote: wall of lulz
Usefulness of this so uber passive tanked drake in PvP:[@=======================]

Commandships are pretty fine, although I'd rather keep in my scorpion or rokh.
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Anytime Baby
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Posted - 2007.11.25 23:18:00 -
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I'll pay for real and verified kill mails against the original poster.
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2007.11.25 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Morn Judith Dear "new"-Jenny. Play the game, get some experience, know what you're talking about, or leave us all alone.
QFT.
DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale!
THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES! |

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.11.26 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Jagaroth
Originally by: Le Skunk Balls. The 'new' jenny is ofc the old jenny. just trolling form a different angle. And indeed doing quite well at it. SKUNK
I'll believe that when I see the correct answer. 
Why would the old jenny answer when not answering promotes the idea of a 'new' jenny?
Faulty test is faulty.
precisely
SKUNK
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Freya Selene
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.26 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire ... a bit overpowered and imbalanced?
I am asking fellow pilots of this honest and noble community because I feel command ships are overpowered and imbalanced. I have heard and seen most pilots who are successful in their combat engagements usually have better kill : death ratio when they are flying command ships. If they fly non-command ships then their death : kill ratio would be higher.
What do you community think, are my observations accurate and precise? Please tell me your success stories with command ships.
I dont believe commandships are overpowered, nor imbalanced. Flow/Flying them, and they are as good as the pilot is. The diffrence is, mainly skilled pvp pilots use them (effectivly) in combat. Skilled pvp pilots lose less ships in general vs most pilots.
So observing that commandship pilots have a bether K/D ratio can be correct. But you forgot to take the skillpoints and pilots into your calculation as well.
/me where happy Damnation pilot till they sticked bloody missile turrets on it  Am i the only Caldarian person who doesnt like missiles? 
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Freya Selene
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.26 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong Edited by: Goumindong on 25/11/2007 18:36:31 Edited by: Goumindong on 25/11/2007 18:29:12
Originally by: Stitcher
I think your best bet at this point is to bring forward some more solid combat evidence than just "Command Ship pilots have a better kill/death ratio" to prove your point. It's my experience that command ships are rarely chosen as primary targets, because there's usually something more important and more fragile out there to deal with first.
Command ships have terrible/hood DPS/Hit Point ratios depending on how you look at it.
When calling primaries you want to call ships which have high DPS and low hit points first[and that your entire gang can get to]. So that these ships will die fast and the majoirty of the opponents DPS dies quicker. This means battlecruisers/Cruiesr/HAcs top the list then Battleships, then Command ships.
For instance going up against a gang of
"Thorax, Rupture, Harbinger, Abaddon, Astarte". With a similar sized gang you would want to call the Thorax, Rupture, Harbinger, Abaddon/Astarte in that order.
The thorax will be doing between 350-650 dps and will have between 12,000 and 25,000 hit points.
The Harbinger will be doing between 600-800 dps and will have between 42,000 and 59,000 hit points.
The Rupture will be doing between 300 and 600 dps and will have between 12,000 and 25,000 hit points.
The Astarte will be doing Between 600 and 1000 dps and will have between 50,000 and 70,000 hit points with a strong rep tank.
The Abaddon will have some 1000 dps and 140k hit points.
[All numbers assuming optimal hp/tank setups ingoring repair units and using damage drones]
As such the best way to attack this gang is to ewar the Abaddon, Astarte, Harbinger, Thorax, Rupture, in that order[depending on ewar availability of course, a BB does better primarying the harbinger, astarte, abaddon while jamming the rupture and thorax, TDs move the Harbinger in front of the astarte for ewar and after for primary and damps work in the manner above]. And primary the Thorax, Rupture, Harbinger, Astarte, Abaddon in that order. Even when the Astarte is very gank oriented it doesnt make sense to primary it in small gangs.
What this means is that as things go lopsided, the ships that are most likely to live are the Abaddon and Astarte... BUT the Abaddon is really slow, and the Astarte is not. Does it make the command ship overpowered? No, it just means that its not a good ship to shoot first in a gang since it is likely to have a lot of hit points and tank relative to its DPS capabilites.
Fleets its a bit different, you have so much DPS the primary thing that keeps you from killing things is locking time and tracking. So you go after the battleships first.
I would never fly any group/gang/fleet when your FC'ing. Couse you would get everyone killed. Your math's are correct but dont work in engagements, couse you have lots of other calls of nature to look at.
The reason commandships are not being primary'd is, its hard to bring them down with a large group. And with a large group there is 80% times that there are more dangerous targets arround then a commandship.
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Surreptitious
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.26 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire ... a bit overpowered and imbalanced?
Relative to what?
Syrup
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Endica Enterprises Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2007.11.26 01:56:00 -
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Well, let me see.. They're mostly used as XL HACs instead of 'command' ships, thus I'd say they fail to fill their predetermined(?) role. I wouldn't call them imbalanced, though. It's just the performance you'd ecpect from an XL HAC.
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Min Seong
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.11.26 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny New Jenny takes more crap than I do... and doesn't get into bitter arguements. I'm starting to like New Jenny, granted carebear as hell, but still 
Where is the old Jenny? I dont like this new one as much.
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Jobby
Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.11.26 02:49:00 -
[110]
No, now beat it. Isk laundering 4t ignore
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Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.26 02:56:00 -
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I lost 2 sleps in 2 days# !!!omg11! boost command ships nerf everyone else.
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Freelanc3r
Caldari Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.11.26 02:57:00 -
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Studies show that command ship pilots have better K/D ratio's.
Oh really.
I preferred the old Jenny.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.11.26 03:20:00 -
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They're sufficiently balanced.
Maybe they're not 100% perfectly balanced but if everything were 100% balanced the game wouldn't be worth playing.
I want the old Jenny back....
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.26 03:21:00 -
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"Balance" does not mean every ship is possible to beat with every other ship.
"Balance" means every ship has a role in fleet combat.
Yes a big expensive ship with a 50 mil SP pilot should be a powerhouse in battle.
Otherwise there is no point in advancing beyond t1 frigates, just bring a frigate blob and manhandle Dreads and Moms.
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Xtro 2
Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2007.11.26 04:13:00 -
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i have said in a few older posts before that command ships are nothign liek what their meant to be, they are meant to be ships that give gang bonus's and can take a bit of a pounding, instead they are simply better versions of HAC's in every way.
Command ships should be nerfed so they can only field utility modules in their highslots or small weaponry, if not they should be renamed to what they currently are, "Heavy Assault BattleCruisers".
Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder. |

Riga Mortiss
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Posted - 2007.11.26 04:44:00 -
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Command Ships are powerfull.. but don't forget .. it takes a LONG time to train for.. and it's expensive.. so it should be Uber.. that being said. Command ships get smoked all the time. One on one a command ship should win against ships of similar size.. and even BS's. But they are very killable if you have a good fit and know how to fly.
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E Vile
Fifth Exiled Legion SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.26 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Xtro 2 i have said in a few older posts before that command ships are nothign liek what their meant to be, they are meant to be ships that give gang bonus's and can take a bit of a pounding, instead they are simply better versions of HAC's in every way.
Command ships should be nerfed so they can only field utility modules in their highslots or small weaponry, if not they should be renamed to what they currently are, "Heavy Assault BattleCruisers".
Umm there are 2 types of command ships. Field and fleet. 1 type is already ment for what you cry for. Learn the game. Commands are far from overpowered. They take a buttload of skills to train for, and cost a pretty penny. Infact I think my nighthawk needs a 7th launcher to put it in line with the other commands of the same class. You nerf crybabies make me sick.
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E Vile
Fifth Exiled Legion SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.26 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Scott, it is called balanced. A balanced game is a good game in my honest opinion. :)
Every ship is not ment to be equal. Drop your balance fantasy. Thats why Command ships take tons more skills then the T1 verson. Balanced game? What do you want 1 ship everyone flies using the same weapon? Should a Titan now be nerfd to be equal to a merlin?
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Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.26 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire ... a bit overpowered and imbalanced?
I am asking fellow pilots of this honest and noble community because I feel command ships are overpowered and imbalanced. I have heard and seen most pilots who are successful in their combat engagements usually have better kill : death ratio when they are flying command ships. If they fly non-command ships then their death : kill ratio would be higher.
What do you community think, are my observations accurate and precise? Please tell me your success stories with command ships.
Considering their price, skill requirements and how vulnerable some of them are to different factors, no. A t2 fitted BS can literally *****most commands out there. Most have some aspects that could be considered overpowered, but they are negated by other aspects, like price or a inherent problem of the setups. For instance, Astarte can do a crapload of DPS, but if it is setup to do a crapload of DPS, it is really very easy to break. Sleipnir has good tank and good dps but has 2 problems. 1 - always fire in falloff which means around 60% hits, rest are misses, and 2 - if it gets webbed, it's toast as it cannot carry a web of it's own. Absolution cannot webb, because it is usually dual MAR II fitted and you cannot sustain those and the repps with your cap recharge even if you have CCC rigs and dedicating a low for CPR's is not an option. Also because of it's problems, a smart oponent will go in and out of it's gun's optimal if he uses conflag m - when ppl do this it really ****es me off. Nighthawk is OK, you can do 600 dps with it. If there is one thing that could be overpowered about it, is it's passive tank. It can be customized and it is easily the only Command ship that can easily do all level 4 missions, with a standard T2 tank and still do them in a reasonable ammount of time. This IS overpowered.
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Bellicose
Gallente Beets and Gravy Syndicate Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.26 12:08:00 -
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isent this bashing of Jenny Spitfire getting old seriously ? its like the old days when sirmolle showed up in a tread saying hey iam molle and 5-10 pages of flames where insured 
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