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Avataris The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.11.29 12:23:00 - [1] Edited by: Avataris on 29/11/2007 12:23:40 by the same logic can you please nerf instant shield recharge for ships that dock up? As a Gallente armor tanker I would need to either undock to repair my armor myself or pay to have it repped by station services. Meanwhile all the Caldari passive shield tankers are Haxxoring by taking advantage of what surely must be a borderline exploit. Instant shields by docking and undocking. Surely its the same thing.
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2007.11.29 12:26:00 - [2] kinda agree :) this is not a whine from me.... i even acctually like it on my armor tanked ships :) helsp me get the repper comeing to get reps in as soon as i hit armor. but i wouldnt mind it if it was changed
Shiken Kan	Posted - 2007.11.29 12:46:00 - [3] Want some cheese to that whine? The only ones that would be affected by your nerf would be armor tanks btw as passive shield tanks regen to over 90% when just warping away from and back to their previous position. You should have said instant cap recharge if you want to annoy those.
Ione Hunt 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.29 12:56:00 - [4] Very good point! Signed _______________
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.11.29 13:41:00 - [5] Originally by: Avataris Edited by: Avataris on 29/11/2007 12:23:40 by the same logic can you please nerf instant shield recharge for ships that dock up? As a Gallente armor tanker I would need to either undock to repair my armor myself or pay to have it repped by station services. Meanwhile all the Caldari passive shield tankers are Haxxoring by taking advantage of what surely must be a borderline exploit. Instant shields by docking and undocking. Surely its the same thing. Seriously, now, you can't claim it's the same thing, or people could counter-argument that it's not alright that you can scoop drones 30 seconds after the last shot they fired, since it's out of line with docking mechanics Scoop & redeploy got fixed, yes. It was a long time till that got fixed, though...
kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2007.11.29 13:49:00 - [6] The station docking ports i would assume automatically recharge anything energy based, in space your own ship, drones are scoop deployed for aggression tactics. I think the shield recharge from docking isnt an exploit every ship enjoys this benefit not just caldari. If your a armour tanker wanting armour repaired fit a bloody armour repper - bloody plate lame.. ------ [Video] Forever Pirate 4
NateX Singularity. Talon Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.29 14:25:00 - [7] The option to recharge the shield on your drone in exchange for cap? /yes please
Fenren	Posted - 2007.11.29 14:33:00 - [8] Originally by: NateX The option to recharge the shield on your drone in exchange for cap? /yes please shield transporters? they do exactley that... and is a high slot module
August Personage Caldari Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.11.29 14:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Avataris Edited by: Avataris on 29/11/2007 12:23:40 by the same logic can you please nerf instant shield recharge for ships that dock up? As a Gallente armor tanker I would need to either undock to repair my armor myself or pay to have it repped by station services. Meanwhile all the Caldari passive shield tankers are Haxxoring by taking advantage of what surely must be a borderline exploit. Instant shields by docking and undocking. Surely its the same thing. its not even remotely the same thing, station=big, spaceships=not as big. something big is likely to have facilities on hand to pump energy into a ship, recharging its shield and cap. something not as big, is not (unless you fit a shield transfer to your ship as someone else suggested here) your overpowered *****mobiles have been balanced. get over it. stop crying.
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.29 14:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Fenren Originally by: NateX The option to recharge the shield on your drone in exchange for cap? /yes please shield transporters? they do exactley that... and is a high slot module Stop giving away secrets! People are not supposed to know about drone-tanking. ============================================
Shiken Kan	Posted - 2007.11.29 14:41:00 - [11] nah they want their 'vulnerable dps' to be invulnerable again :p
Minmatar Citizen 4521577	Posted - 2007.11.29 14:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Shiken Kan nah they want their 'vulnerable dps' to be invulnerable again :p Heh heh.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.11.29 15:00:00 - [13] Originally by: Shiken Kan nah they want their 'vulnerable dps' to be invulnerable again :p heh heh ;)
Avataris The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.11.29 15:09:00 - [14] Edited by: Avataris on 29/11/2007 15:15:42 Originally by: Shiken Kan nah they want their 'vulnerable dps' to be invulnerable again :p Stop changing the subject. I am not whining about the drone balance, I'm complaining about shield tanks being unfairly advantaged by having instant recharge when they dock/undock. Why should shield tankers get this free benefit, of having their main defense recharge instantly, when armor tankers have to pay to regain their defense or have to undock and manually repair? Is it not enough imba that shields recharge passively, while us armor tankers relie heavily on cap for repairs? doesn't seem balanced to me.
August Personage Caldari Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.11.29 15:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Avataris Stop changing the subject. I am not whining about the drone balance, I'm complaining about shield tanks being unfairly advantaged by having instant recharge when they dock/undock. lying does not suit you sir. you are not complaning about anything valid. you are angry with the changes to drones, and now you are randomly lashing out against a well established mechanic that no one seems ot have a problem with, and that has a valid reason for its existance. so talking about drones here is just as on the subject as your ridiculous "exploit" of shield recharge in stations. (i'm gonna go out on a limb here andassume you didn't feel the myrm was unbalanced, or the eos, or the whole drone rescoop mechanic?)
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.29 15:22:00 - [16] Edited by: N1fty on 29/11/2007 15:22:07 Originally by: Avataris Is it not enough imba that shields recharge passively, while us armor tankers relie heavily on cap for repairs? doesn't seem balanced to me. But thats the whole point. Shields are NOT Armour, why should they behaive the same?! Its this kind of thinking that will see the only ship ingame being a Raven. All other ships having been removed because of imbalance compared to eachother. Its rock, paper, scissors mate. Its not supposed to be balanced. ============================================
Mona X Caldari Polish Task Forces C0VEN	Posted - 2007.11.29 15:34:00 - [17] Originally by: Avataris Edited by: Avataris on 29/11/2007 15:15:42 Originally by: Shiken Kan nah they want their 'vulnerable dps' to be invulnerable again :p Stop changing the subject. I am not whining about the drone balance, I'm complaining about shield tanks being unfairly advantaged by having instant recharge when they dock/undock. Why should shield tankers get this free benefit, of having their main defense recharge instantly, when armor tankers have to pay to regain their defense or have to undock and manually repair? Is it not enough imba that shields recharge passively, while us armor tankers relie heavily on cap for repairs? doesn't seem balanced to me. And I want instant shield buuf from gang skills. Why armor tankers can have them all with better overall resist, passive omni hardeners? I have to wait (or shieldboost) after every jump and all this in ship with worst capacitor in class? This is unfair and should be balanced/nerfed/unifed.
ragupasta Amarr Nil Mortifi Sine Lucre	Posted - 2007.11.29 15:47:00 - [18] I armour tank, I run a tech 2 repper. no probs for me. Shields are supposed to be an energy surrounding your ship, which cap would in theory re-fuel it, hence repair, as ther is nothing to damage, its just a waist of energy. Blasted armour does get damaged, and would take a skilled person or repper to repair. Seems dead fair to me.
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.29 15:55:00 - [19] Originally by: ragupasta I armour tank, I run a tech 2 repper. no probs for me. Shields are supposed to be an energy surrounding your ship, which cap would in theory re-fuel it, hence repair, as ther is nothing to damage, its just a waist of energy. Blasted armour does get damaged, and would take a skilled person or repper to repair. Seems dead fair to me. Ok then its a deal. Ill need to rep my bonused armour and you get no shield recharge in station.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.11.29 15:56:00 - [20] Erm, unless somethings changed you do require a station to dock in. They don't follow you around... [Balance] The Caldari problem.
Eneela M	Posted - 2007.11.29 16:15:00 - [21] i agree with the OP, it's got nothing to do with pseudo science it's to do with game balance. Multiple undock station hugging can be a problem, at least make it a payable fix like armor repair so it costs you if you want to play at crappy tactics.
Suitonia Gallente interimo A.F.K	Posted - 2007.11.29 16:19:00 - [22] Edited by: Suitonia on 29/11/2007 16:19:57 Edited by: Suitonia on 29/11/2007 16:19:25 Originally by: Fenren Originally by: NateX The option to recharge the shield on your drone in exchange for cap? /yes please shield transporters? they do exactley that... and is a high slot module Yes, and it also has less than 10km range, and they can't be repaired whilst inside the drone bay, meaning they have to be out and vulnable to get repped anyway. You can't repair them while you're being ECM'd either. --- I've always wondered about those Vagabond pilots...
Mudkest Ekliptika Engineers Ekliptika	Posted - 2007.11.29 16:25:00 - [23] same goes for cap then? ----- GIEV custom ship paint jobs! I want my hello-kitty-kessie! For your safety do not destroy vital testing apparatus
Avataris The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.11.29 16:45:00 - [24] Originally by: Mudkest same goes for cap then? I don't see why not. If it stops people station hugging and playing the dock/undock game at 0 cost to themselves, without having to rep their shields or recharge their cap. I think its a good plan.
TimMc Exanimo Inc	Posted - 2007.11.29 16:50:00 - [25] Since Caldari seem to now have ships half decent in PvP, there is no more need for them to rape-camp stations for free dock-undock tanks. So I agree with original post, the shields should recharge normally while docked. Or maybe you can pay for them to be charged, since it would cost the station capacitor same as an armour repair.
Shiken Kan	Posted - 2007.11.29 17:49:00 - [26] Ok let's do this :D and don't forget to loose lock when scooping drones unless ofc you have an aggro countdown in which case you simply can't. Also ships with deployed drones should be immobile to bring them in line with docked ships for no apparent reason but to **** off drone users
KD.Fluffy The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.29 18:01:00 - [27] Quote: Stop changing the subject. I am not whining about the drone balance, I'm complaining about shield tanks being unfairly advantaged by having instant recharge when they dock/undock. Why should shield tankers get this free benefit, of having their main defense recharge instantly, when armor tankers have to pay to regain their defense or have to undock and manually repair? Is it not enough imba that shields recharge passively, while us armor tankers relie heavily on cap for repairs? doesn't seem balanced to me. I hope your aware that you can passive shield tank as well. No one is stopping you. Do you think its imba that a passive tanked drake does 200 dps, and cannot tackle anything? stop crying dude seriously, if you think the passive shield tank is so uber go train one yourself. Boost The Eagle!
Avataris The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.11.29 18:01:00 - [28] Edited by: Avataris on 29/11/2007 18:02:42 Originally by: Shiken Kan Ok let's do this :D and don't forget to loose lock when scooping drones unless ofc you have an aggro countdown in which case you simply can't. Also ships with deployed drones should be immobile to bring them in line with docked ships for no apparent reason but to **** off drone users Way to go off topic! We're not talking about drones, we're talking about the imbalance presented by shields recharging to full instantly when a ship docks. I know this is hard to swallow for people who've been abusing this for the last few years, but there is no reason why a shield ship should get a complete recharge of its primary defensive system, for free I might add, when armor ships have to pay to have theirs topped up or have to undock to repair manually. I have even agreed that the capacitor should not be recharged either when a ship docks/undocks (gasp but Avataris.. that suggestion is a nerf to everyone!) meaning you either pay, or undock and use cap booster charges. You shield tankers have been getting for free (instantly) what us armor tankers have been paying for since the beginning. No wonder then that almost every station hugger I see is in a drake/vulture/nighthawk. Maybe once you actually need to pay for your repairs we will see some changes.
Iota Belisarius Ion Corp. Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.29 18:23:00 - [29] You create a topic called "You nerfed scoop redeploy" and then start ranting about the imbalance of passive shield tankers and you say WE'RE off topic? That's awesome logic... --------------------- Your sig is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting. -Tirg Sig jacked and nerfed in one day, just my luck.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.11.29 18:25:00 - [30] I know you started this as a whine, but thats a awesome idea! Stop insta shieldrecharge. (it will charge slowly in the station) Stop insta caprecharge. (it will charge slowly in the station) Change undock-docktimer to 1 minute, instead of 30 sec Good idea _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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