EVE Search - Arrested over a teddy Bear

All Channels

Out of Pod Experience

Arrested over a teddy Bear

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 3 4 :: [one page]
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Newbear	Posted - 2007.11.29 20:29:00 - [1] http://www.digg.com/world_news/School_teacher_arrested_for_allowing_pupils_to_name_teddy_bear_Muhammad?offset=51 But what about the poor teddy bear? There is no justice. Click here for my High Security POS Service
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.29 20:30:00 - [2] What --- Latest Video : FAT- Camp
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.11.29 20:31:00 - [3] yeah i heard about this on the radio this morning, getting arrested and whipped for trying to teach children about religion, yeah real good morals their teaching them --------------------------- Im in your forums derailing your threads Moon Surveying Service
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.29 20:32:00 - [4] she only got 15 days in prison for naming the teddy bear Mohammed Originally by: ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues. Weekly quote: "Villains always have antidotes... They're funny that way." ~The Tick
hattifnatt Gallente The Movement	Posted - 2007.11.29 20:32:00 - [5] Teddybears are serious stuff. i suxz at grammar, k?
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.11.29 20:33:00 - [6] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny she only got 15 days in prison for naming the teddy bear Mohammed ah well then i guess that radio show over exaggerated a bit then --------------------------- Im in your forums derailing your threads Moon Surveying Service
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.29 20:35:00 - [7] It hit yahoo news an hour ago Originally by: ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues. Weekly quote: "Villains always have antidotes... They're funny that way." ~The Tick
Anwylyd Al'Vos Minmatar LightSpeed Industries	Posted - 2007.11.29 20:38:00 - [8] lol... the comments on digg are awesome _ . - Justice, Mercy, and Faith My soul has horizons further away than those of early mornings, deeper darkness than the night
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.29 20:42:00 - [9] Eventually the stupid people will know not to do anything in a muslim nation, or even go to one Originally by: ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues. Weekly quote: "Villains always have antidotes... They're funny that way." ~The Tick
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.29 20:48:00 - [10] Extremists called for her beheading. uhuh. Religion is love. Sig removed for the third time, inappropriate content. Sig Locked. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Avery Fatwallet	Posted - 2007.11.29 21:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Sokratesz Extremists called for her beheading. uhuh. Religion is love. no, you got that wrong. its "opium of the people" not "love". well... maybe thats the same
Aleria Angelis Strix Armaments and Defence Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.11.29 21:43:00 - [12] I can't help wondering how much of this was just because shes British.
Avery Fatwallet	Posted - 2007.11.29 21:47:00 - [13] Originally by: Aleria Angelis I can't help wondering how much of this was just because shes British. or maybe crazy stuff like this happens every day and we just dont ever hear it, because nobody over here cares when they lock up "one of their own" google "Monkeysphere" or "Dunbar's Number" if you never heard of it.
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.29 22:42:00 - [14] They were thinking about giving her 40 lashes. The Gordon Brown gently reminded them they need to eat. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.11.29 22:49:00 - [15] I found it particularly ironic that they wanted to charge her with inciting religious hatred, when they themselves are inciting religious based hatred for punishing her over the naming of a stuffed animal. Know who really needs to get whipped? The teddy bear. That son of a b**** is the one insulting Muhammad.
Vladimir Ilych Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.11.29 22:59:00 - [16] The best way I heard it put is that some people believe in something so much that they forget their common humanity. That and some people just love to have power over others.
AsmodeaN Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.29 23:02:00 - [17] Shoulda taken the lashes and told them to go f*ck muhammad crispy corpse tbh
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.11.29 23:06:00 - [18] Realy my mind boggles that such a system exists that by naming an innanimate object after a small child who was in turn named after a prophet that forged the bloody (in both senses) Ottaman Empire, a teacher helping people is sentanced to jailtime and whipping. Rate my charecters please - 2M isk for a good review for the first 3 people!!
Atama Cardel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.29 23:19:00 - [19] Originally by: AsmodeaN Shoulda taken the lashes and told them to go f*ck muhammad crispy corpse tbh 40 lashes will kill you dude
Neoromi	Posted - 2007.11.29 23:37:00 - [20] Quote: The stupid woman deserves 100 lashes for insulting a teddy bear. Hahaha! signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
AsmodeaN Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.29 23:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Atama Cardel Originally by: AsmodeaN Shoulda taken the lashes and told them to go fck muhammad crispy corpse tbh 40 lashes will kill you dude you dont think they'd kill you for telling them to *** their precious prophet?
Sirikar Nakasoroki	Posted - 2007.11.30 00:19:00 - [22] I have a little stuffed devil nicknamed Jesus, am I a bad person? maybe maybe not but hell I aint going to get 40 lashs over it. its also amazing that if a Muslim living in the 1st world decided they would have a little stuffed devil and call it jesus nobody would give a dam, what a world we live in. Religon is the root of all evil in the world, down with religon, long live the jellyfish, our new masters.
Kenneth McCoy Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.30 00:31:00 - [23] This story is just another appalling example of how religion will eventually be the downfall of the human race. I'm sure of it. And that goes for far more than just Islam. My opinions and views are not the official views of my Corp.
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.11.30 00:31:00 - [24] A good friend of mine is a son of one of the Iranian premiers. He refused to do mandatory military service and made some rather rude comments about Allah. Despite his father's position, he was jailed, tortured and was scheduled to be shot for Heresy. Thankfully, Amnesty International got him out before that could happen, but it did impress on me how seriously they take their religion over there. I'm glad I live in Canada. No matter how ridiculous people act here sometimes,it could be much much worse. Save EveTV, please. Sign to ask CCP to fund EveTV!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.30 00:33:00 - [25] Reminds me of what it was like in <insert_location> back in <insert_timeframe>. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.30 00:37:00 - [26] Muslims are making fools of themselves, and their religion the more they pull this kind of crap. Do they realize how much the rest of the world will resent them the more they pull this crap? Honestly, who takes these people seriously? You certainly can't if you have any common sense at all. Do all the followers of Islam have ZERO common sense? What do non-Muslim followers of Islam think of this? People in The USA, UK & other countries think? My Current Project
Kenneth McCoy Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.30 01:23:00 - [27] To be perfectly honest, the way a 'christian' views 'islam' is the way 'I' view 'all religions'. That is, asinine. My opinions and views are not the official views of my Corp.
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.30 02:36:00 - [28] Edited by: Keorythe on 30/11/2007 02:37:57 Originally by: DarkMatter Do they realize how much the rest of the world will resent them the more they pull this crap? Honestly, who takes these people seriously? When you're the biggest religion in the world and one of the fastest growing you really dont care what the rest of the world thinks. Especially when your moderates (which make up the majority of the religion) like to keep to themselves. There are plenty of moderates who oppose this, but its rare for them to speak out...often in fear. When you have followers willing to make vests out of plastic explosives and suicide themselves in a dance lounge full of teenagers the world takes you seriously. Especially when the world news media creams their pants over these stories with eye catching photos. When everyone but their own nation is pre-occupied with pushing "multi-culturalism" on themselves so strongly despite the harm it does they realize the resentment will be fleeting and forgiven as a "cultural difference". And finally, when you understand and live by the following axiom as they do you realize how easy it is to get away with murder: Extremists go all the way. Moderates just tend to go away.... But back to the story. The kids named the bear, not the teacher and the name wasn't meant to be a religious thing. Mohammad is the most commonly used name in the world. This whole thing was to take eyes and pressure off of Darfur or some other domestic issue. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Locus Bey Gallente Nova-Tek	Posted - 2007.11.30 08:29:00 - [29] The least some of you could do is discuss and comment on this contextually. Sudan is a third world nation with outmoded Islamic beliefs. Why tar all Islamic nations and Muslims with the one brush? Is the Reborn Fundamentalist Christiniaty of the US representative of all of Christianity? I think not. Of course the action of jailing this teacher over calling a teddybear Mohammed is backward, but that is Sudan.
Miki Fin Gallente Independant Union of Rangers	Posted - 2007.11.30 08:57:00 - [30] If you go to another country, you respect their laws, beliefs and cultures. Had she done that, there would be no problem.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.30 09:22:00 - [31] Originally by: Miki Fin If you go to another country, you respect their laws, beliefs and cultures. Had she done that, there would be no problem. ] It is a little more complicated than that though. She worked in a Christian / Muslim school, especially created to foster good relations between the two relegions, and parents choose to send their children to that school. She was following the teaching programme which was set down for her to follow. She was teaching her class about democracy (as part of an overview of different political systems), and as such she allowed the children to nominate names for the bear, and then vote which would be used. One of the children nominated his own name, and that is the one which was eventually selected. A Muslim teacher in the school saw nothing disrestpectful at all about the project and the naming of the bear, if fact she was impressed that the teacher managed to get the children to vote. Islam was one of the most enlightened relegions, embracing science in a way Christianity never would, and yet it seems to be going backwards. Fundamentalists (who actually fly in the face of the fundamentals of Islam, ironic) cause a disproportionate amount of trouble, and it is worrying. Also, 40 lashes will not kill you as stated in this thread, because they aren't all given in one go - 40 for a woman would probably be 4 a day over 10 days. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.30 10:38:00 - [32] Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 00:45:58 Muslims are making fools of themselves, and their religion the more they pull this kind of crap. Do they realize how much the rest of the world will resent them the more they pull this crap? Honestly, who takes these people seriously? You certainly can't if you have any common sense at all. Do all the followers of Islam have ZERO common sense? What do non-Muslim followers of Islam think of this? People in The USA, UK & other countries think? This makes about as much sense as giving a punishment to a r@pe victim, oh wait... Replace 'islam' with any other religion and youre right on the spot, dude. Sig removed for the third time, inappropriate content. Sig Locked. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.30 11:41:00 - [33] The teddy was aquitted though, right? That's the important thing... Originally by: ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues. Weekly quote: "No flying machine will ever fly from New York to Paris." ~Orville Wright.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.11.30 12:05:00 - [34] Edited by: SoftRevolution on 30/11/2007 12:12:20 Don't try and pin this on muslims generally. The Muslim Council of Britain condemned this in quite strong terms not once but twice so far. They basically called them a bunch of kneejerking idiots. <3 MCB. There is probably a political agenda at work here. If I had to guess from the wording of statements by the Sudanese religious body involved I'd say the very existence of the school was offensive for some people and they'd just been waiting for "proof" that it was a bad idea. They're being ***s about the UN peacekeeping effort to Darfur as well. EVE RELATED CONTENT**
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.11.30 12:12:00 - [35] Is it wrong of me to find it a tad off that one of the links on the Council's website says "Islam is peace" when at the moment Islamic states such as Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan ect are probably the biggest threat to the world at the moment? Rate my charecters please - 2M isk for a good review for the first 3 people!!
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.11.30 12:15:00 - [36] Originally by: Kirjava Is it wrong of me to find it a tad off that one of the links on the Council's website says "Islam is peace" when at the moment Islamic states such as Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan ect are probably the biggest threat to the world at the moment? Yes. EVE RELATED CONTENT
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.30 12:32:00 - [37] Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 12:34:45 Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 00:45:58 Muslims are making fools of themselves, and their religion the more they pull this kind of crap. Do they realize how much the rest of the world will resent them the more they pull this crap? Honestly, who takes these people seriously? You certainly can't if you have any common sense at all. Do all the followers of Islam have ZERO common sense? What do non-Muslim followers of Islam think of this? People in The USA, UK & other countries think? This makes about as much sense as giving a punishment to a r@pe victim, oh wait... Replace 'islam' with any other religion and youre right on the spot, dude. Trust me, I'm not a fan of any religion... But when will Islam come out of the dark ages? The other two have, quite some time ago... I can go up to priest and disrespect his religion all day long, and I will not get lashes or go to prison. How long will it take the Islamic countries to get there? Do they want to get there? Do they truly want freedom? Iron fisted rule of religion and brainwashing seems to be the norm for Islamic states. I don't see them changing anytime soon... My Current Project
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.30 12:33:00 - [38] Edited by: Akita T on 30/11/2007 12:36:51 Originally by: Kirjava Is it wrong of me to find it a tad off that one of the links on the Council's website says "Islam is peace" when at the moment Islamic states such as Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan ect are probably the biggest threat to the world at the moment? Only if you don't think the same about Christianity. Originally by: DarkMatter Trust me, I'm not a fan of any religion... But when will Islam come out of the dark ages? The other two have, quite some time ago... I can go up to priest and disrespect his religion all day long, and I will not get lashes or go to prison. How long will it take the Islamic countries to get there? Do they want to get there? Do they truly want freedom? They didn't "come out of the dark ages" that long ago either, compared to how old the religions themselves are. I mean, come on, Spanish Inquisition ring a bell ? Or, for that matter, stuff that was going on not even 300 years ago in most of Europe or even the (now) USA ? Or what about the whole catholic-vs-orthodox issues that aren't completely quelled even nowadays ? Give it time, Islam will eventually come around too. C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.30 12:37:00 - [39] Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 12:37:49 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Kirjava Is it wrong of me to find it a tad off that one of the links on the Council's website says "Islam is peace" when at the moment Islamic states such as Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan ect are probably the biggest threat to the world at the moment? Only if you don't think the same about Christianity. Christianity doesn't suicide bomb, or look to proliferate weapons to kill infidels all across the world... Maybe they did at one time in history, but that was quite a while ago, and civilization on the whole have evolved since then, except for the Islamic states that is. How much longer do we give Islam to mature? Another 100 years of Islamic extremism? How much can you tolerate? My Current Project
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.11.30 12:42:00 - [40] Edited by: SoftRevolution on 30/11/2007 12:45:43 Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 12:39:57 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Kirjava Is it wrong of me to find it a tad off that one of the links on the Council's website says "Islam is peace" when at the moment Islamic states such as Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan ect are probably the biggest threat to the world at the moment? Only if you don't think the same about Christianity. Christianity doesn't suicide bomb, or look to proliferate weapons to kill infidels all around the world... Some people see US' support of Israel and the Global War On Abstract Concept in precisely those terms. edit And oh my. IBTL. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.30 12:46:00 - [41] This is why I like Wiccans Originally by: ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues. Weekly quote: "No flying machine will ever fly from New York to Paris." ~Orville Wright.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.30 12:48:00 - [42] 85% of Islam is supposed to be Sunni, and only 15% is allegedly Shi'a. Shi'a are the ones that have the whole "Imam" thing, they are the religious fundamentalists, and they constitute a majority of most "Arabic" countries. Just because some sub-branches of the smaller main branch is all out of whack and on a fundamentalist spree doesn't give you the right to bash Islam as a whole as "condoning suicide bombing" and such. Just to make a point, I have nothing to do with Islam, I find all religions to be equally laughable... I'm an agnostic leaning more and more towards atheism each day, and I grew up as Orthodox Christian. That doesn't mean I don't repect their right to their own beliefs. C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.30 12:57:00 - [43] Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 12:58:34 Quote: Some people see US' support of Israel and the Global War On Abstract Concept in precisely those terms. That's because they are blinded by their faith. And if most Islamic people are non-violent, loving people with tolerance for other religions, they need to stand up and take control of all the countries that are ruled by the fundamentalists spreading the hatred. Until they do, Islam will be seen as an enemy to all other people, religious or not. It's time for them to take matters into their own hands and stop using the minority fundamentalist argument, it's a weak argument that NO ONE respects. Because, guess what, we don't care if a minority group is controlling you. Deal with it and get back to us when you're actually a civilized people. Then maybe you'll get the respect you desire. Until then, Islam will continue to be viewed as a cancer to this planet by most non-Islamic people. They need to sort themselves out. My Current Project
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:02:00 - [44] Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 12:58:34 Quote: Some people see US' support of Israel and the Global War On Abstract Concept in precisely those terms. That's because they are blinded by their faith. And if most Islamic people are non-violent, loving people with tolerance for other religions, they need to stand up and take control of all the countries that are ruled by the fundamentalists spreading the hatred. Until they do, Islam will be seen as an enemy to all other people, religious or not. It's time for them to take matters into their own hands and stop using the minority fundamentalist argument, it's a weak argument that NO ONE respects. Because, guess what, we don't care if a minority group is controlling you. Deal with it and get back to us when you're actually a civilized people. Then maybe you'll get the respect you desire. Until then, Islam will continue to be viewed as a cancer to this planet by most non-Islamic people. They need to sort themselves out. Is this a troll? EVE RELATED CONTENT
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:08:00 - [45] So, wait, if suddendly the USA turns into a fundamentalst Christian state overnight, the whole Christian world should look at the USA as a "cancer to this planet" and everybody should go up in arms and overthrow the ruling class there ? C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:10:00 - [46] Originally by: SoftRevolution Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 12:58:34 Quote: Some people see US' support of Israel and the Global War On Abstract Concept in precisely those terms. That's because they are blinded by their faith. And if most Islamic people are non-violent, loving people with tolerance for other religions, they need to stand up and take control of all the countries that are ruled by the fundamentalists spreading the hatred. Until they do, Islam will be seen as an enemy to all other people, religious or not. It's time for them to take matters into their own hands and stop using the minority fundamentalist argument, it's a weak argument that NO ONE respects. Because, guess what, we don't care if a minority group is controlling you. Deal with it and get back to us when you're actually a civilized people. Then maybe you'll get the respect you desire. Until then, Islam will continue to be viewed as a cancer to this planet by most non-Islamic people. They need to sort themselves out. Is this a troll? If you truly believe that the US and other christian, western, nations are out to remove Islam from the planet, akin to the Islamic extrimists' desire to remove all infidels, you're simply delusional IMO... My Current Project
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:19:00 - [47] Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 13:23:08 Originally by: Akita T So, wait, if suddendly the USA turns into a fundamentalst Christian state overnight, the whole Christian world should look at the USA as a "cancer to this planet" and everybody should go up in arms and overthrow the ruling class there ? Overnight? You think these Islamic states got that way overnight? And we get to vote here in the US, something most Islamic followers around the world do not get to do... And of those who do get to vote, not many do so in a free & fair election... This nation was built on Christianity yes, but as time goes on, the lines are getting blurred. Eventually, just like our racial melting pot, we'll experience a religious melding. We already have. The USA is more internally tolerant to other religions than any other nation on this planet, due to our democracy & separation of church and state. Yes we get politicians in office who can be extreme in their religion viewpoints and let that affect their policies, but they have a maximum rule of 8 years, as well as ~500 congressmen to deal with who definitely do not all share those identical religions belief's... As time goes on, Christianity will lose it's tight grip on the US' government, and we will be better for it. I see nothing like this occurring in any Islamic nation (of any importance that is). Not even close... Will islamic countries ever be able to have separation of church & state? It certainly doesn't seem like it. My Current Project
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:23:00 - [48] Read the actual words I typed Personally I see both viewpoints as equally moron-friendly and myopic. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:25:00 - [49] To clarify, I said Islamic STATES and not Islam itself. I find any mixing of Religion and Politics as disturbing, be it Islam Christianity or Pastifarian. I am atheist, I can see why people would want to follow a religion, but I have seen that the real world is cruel, and that promises of a better afterlife is common in all cultures first as a means to survival from a psycological point then turned to control of the lower classes. I find it a tad off that religious groups such as the Council of Britain are seen both as the authority on Islam and that a religion defines itself as peace instead of one aiming for it, there is a sublte difference Rate my charecters please - 2M isk for a good review for the first 3 people!!
Full Impact STeeLGamers	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:27:00 - [50] Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 12:39:57 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Kirjava Is it wrong of me to find it a tad off that one of the links on the Council's website says "Islam is peace" when at the moment Islamic states such as Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan ect are probably the biggest threat to the world at the moment? Only if you don't think the same about Christianity. Christianity doesn't suicide bomb, or look to proliferate weapons to kill infidels all around the world... Maybe they did at one time in history, but that was quite a while ago, and civilization on the whole have evolved since then, except for the Islamic states that is. How much longer do we give Islam to mature? Another 100 years of Islamic extremism? How much can you tolerate? All religions go through their crusade periods, but this is the modern world, and Islam is way behind the times, and is a cancer to this planet at this point in history. Your sweeping racist generalisations are both incorrect and wrong. You only need to look at the trouble the UK has had in the past and to some extent still today, with Christian terrorists killing others. They may not be suicide bombers but a terrorist is still a terrorist. Only this month the Real IRA have shot 2 unarmed police officers. Originally by: CCP Wrangler In general we do not reimburse due to lag in fleet battles though.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:28:00 - [51] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Akita T So, wait, if suddendly the USA turns into a fundamentalst Christian state overnight[...] Overnight? You think these Islamic states got that way overnight? That wasn't the point. Point was, what if, by some conjecture of events, somehow, "tomorrow" (as in, 5, 10, 100 years from now, whatever), the USA would become a fundamentalist Christian state. C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:29:00 - [52] Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 13:34:21 Originally by: SoftRevolution Read the actual words I typed Personally I see both viewpoints as equally moron-friendly and myopic. The difference is the Christian, western, nations do not bomb & kill in the name of their religion. If there was no terrorism, there would be no Iraq & Afghanistan right now. Even though some of these Christian fundamentalists may want to do something, they will not under the pressure of all the other Christian nations. When Islamic nations stop using guns to speak for their religion, Christian nations will stop attacking them. I don't like any religion, religion is useless to humanity, unless they are weak minded. Since most people on this planet follow a religion, that does not speak highly of the world's intelligence IMO. However, if you can't see the difference between the way a Christian nation operates and an Islamic nation operates, then you're either intentionally ignoring the difference or you're stupid. Quote: That wasn't the point. Point was, what if, by some conjecture of events, somehow, "tomorrow" (as in, 5, 10, 100 years from now, whatever), the USA would become a fundamentalist Christian state. You honestly think that would happen? It's going the other way if anything... Who was the last Christian state who went around the world, converting, and basically raping & pillaging in the name of their religion? (hint: you live there) Don't you think that was the last of them? Christianity is losing it's grip on even the western nations it created... So I don't see what your point is. Christianity has already rose up, and defeated that mentality when all the British colonies revolted and created their own governments, many who now separate church & state. My Current Project
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:34:00 - [53] Edited by: Akita T on 30/11/2007 13:36:22 Originally by: DarkMatter The difference is the Christian, western, nations do not bomb & kill in the name of their religion. Because "bombing and killing for democracy and oil" is so much better ? Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: That wasn't the point. Point was, what if, by some conjecture of events, somehow, "tomorrow" (as in, 5, 10, 100 years from now, whatever), the USA would become a fundamentalist Christian state. You honestly think that would happen? It's going the other way if anything... Yes, that's honestly where I perceive USA as heading towards, Christian fundamentalism... with the justice system having people swear on the Bible (at least they ask you if you're Christian), with Bibles in most hotel nightstands, with political candidates "touting their belief in God" higher and stronger each campaign, and so on and so forth. C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:35:00 - [54] Originally by: DarkMatter The difference is the Christian, western, nations do not bomb & kill in the name of their religion. However, if you can't see the difference between the way a Christian nation operates and an Islamic nation operates, then you're either intentionally ignoring the difference or you're stupid. Unfortunatly in the UK we have had these problems since before WW1 with the Dominion of Ireland's seperation from the UK as a Catholic majority to form the Republic of Ireland. The majority Protestant population of Ulster, was left as a part of the UK (Northern Ireland), and the IRA has waged a terrorist campaighn against Britian for decades as a seperatist movement, the Loyalist UVA and British Armed Forces against the IRA. This is the reason Britian is so adept at fighting anti terrist campaighns in the middle east - we have veterans from Northern Ireland, and as it is also a Protestant/Catholic dispute that disproves your point about Christianity. Rate my charecters please - 2M isk for a good review for the first 3 people!!
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:38:00 - [55] Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 13:44:38 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: DarkMatter The difference is the Christian, western, nations do not bomb & kill in the name of their religion. Because "bombing and killing for democracy and oil" is so much better ? Would guys like Bush be able to do what he did if Islamic fundamentalists did not open the door for him? Absolutely not. And if anything, this last War with Iraq has taught the world an important lesson, one which will not be repeated anytime soon. And one which will not have to be, as oil from this point on will only decrease as the main energy supply for many nations. All I can say is it will be interesting to see what the Islamic countries do when they no longer get most of their revenue from oil to fund their extremist campaigns... And again, if you think the USA attacked Iraq for oil only, you're purposely being ignorant. Quote: Unfortunatly in the UK we have had these problems since before WW1 with the Dominion of Ireland's seperation from the UK as a Catholic majority to form the Republic of Ireland. The majority Protestant population of Ulster, was left as a part of the UK (Northern Ireland), and the IRA has waged a terrorist campaighn against Britian for decades as a seperatist movement, the Loyalist UVA and British Armed Forces against the IRA. This is the reason Britian is so adept at fighting anti terrist campaighns in the middle east - we have veterans from Northern Ireland, and as it is also a Protestant/Catholic dispute that disproves your point about Christianity. That is a very isolated incident in terms of Christianity on the whole... Not to belittle it, but that conflict doesn't affect the world, so it does not garner world attention I'm sorry to say... My Current Project
corporal hicks Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:45:00 - [56] Originally by: Full Impact Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 12:39:57 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Kirjava Is it wrong of me to find it a tad off that one of the links on the Council's website says "Islam is peace" when at the moment Islamic states such as Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan ect are probably the biggest threat to the world at the moment? Only if you don't think the same about Christianity. Christianity doesn't suicide bomb, or look to proliferate weapons to kill infidels all around the world... Maybe they did at one time in history, but that was quite a while ago, and civilization on the whole have evolved since then, except for the Islamic states that is. How much longer do we give Islam to mature? Another 100 years of Islamic extremism? How much can you tolerate? All religions go through their crusade periods, but this is the modern world, and Islam is way behind the times, and is a cancer to this planet at this point in history. Your sweeping racist generalisations are both incorrect and wrong. You only need to look at the trouble the UK has had in the past and to some extent still today, with Christian terrorists killing others. They may not be suicide bombers but a terrorist is still a terrorist. Only this month the Real IRA have shot 2 unarmed police officers. Thats a slippery slope your on there, the troubles in Northren Ireland if anything involve two sides of the same religon all shooting each other with the britsh army and Nothren Irish police force in the middle, it has no bearing or relevence on this issue and tbh the fighting in the past and now in northren Ireland between factions has never been to push any religon based agenda. the only reason its chatolics V prodestans is because it was engineered that way by the british empire themselves. " Stay Frosty "
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:46:00 - [57] Originally by: DarkMatter And again, if you think the USA attacked Iraq for oil only, you're purposely being ignorant. There have been a lot of excuses, pretenses and justifications for the attack on Iraq, but oil was the reason. Not necessarily Iraqi oil in particular either. C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
Full Impact STeeLGamers	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:47:00 - [58] Originally by: corporal hicks Originally by: Full Impact Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 12:39:57 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Kirjava Is it wrong of me to find it a tad off that one of the links on the Council's website says "Islam is peace" when at the moment Islamic states such as Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan ect are probably the biggest threat to the world at the moment? Only if you don't think the same about Christianity. Christianity doesn't suicide bomb, or look to proliferate weapons to kill infidels all around the world... Maybe they did at one time in history, but that was quite a while ago, and civilization on the whole have evolved since then, except for the Islamic states that is. How much longer do we give Islam to mature? Another 100 years of Islamic extremism? How much can you tolerate? All religions go through their crusade periods, but this is the modern world, and Islam is way behind the times, and is a cancer to this planet at this point in history. Your sweeping racist generalisations are both incorrect and wrong. You only need to look at the trouble the UK has had in the past and to some extent still today, with Christian terrorists killing others. They may not be suicide bombers but a terrorist is still a terrorist. Only this month the Real IRA have shot 2 unarmed police officers. Thats a slippery slope your on there, the troubles in Northren Ireland if anything involve two sides of the same religon all shooting each other with the britsh army and Nothren Irish police force in the middle, it has no bearing or relevence on this issue and tbh the fighting in the past and now in northren Ireland between factions has never been to push any religon based agenda. the only reason its chatolics V prodestans is because it was engineered that way by the british empire themselves. My point was, that christians are just as capable of committing horrendous acts in the name of religion as any other. Whether it has been engineered or not, they are still capable. Originally by: CCP Wrangler In general we do not reimburse due to lag in fleet battles though.
Glassback Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:51:00 - [59] Originally by: Avon Also, 40 lashes will not kill you as stated in this thread, because they aren't all given in one go - 40 for a woman would probably be 4 a day over 10 days. Oh,well thats OK then. No worse than being licked to death by kittens. G. BH Kharnubis > Need more people against the MC meanies
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:54:00 - [60] Quote: My point was, that christians are just as capable of committing horrendous acts in the name of religion as any other. Whether it has been engineered or not, they are still capable. Yes, we all know that. But they did that 100's of years ago. The current Christians on the whole, NO LONGER HAVE THAT MINDSET. President Bush is the most fanatical Christian president we have ever had. You think he attacked Iraq and Afghanistan because he wanted them to become Christians or all die? Honestly? You really believe that? C'mon, get a grip on reality... I'm sure there are christians out there who want all Islamic followers dead, but we have not elected them our leader like Iran has elected one who has publicly stated he wants all Jews dead... My Current Project
Full Impact STeeLGamers	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:57:00 - [61] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: My point was, that christians are just as capable of committing horrendous acts in the name of religion as any other. Whether it has been engineered or not, they are still capable. Yes, we all know that. But they did that 100's of years ago. No, in fact they did it a few weeks ago. Linkage Originally by: CCP Wrangler In general we do not reimburse due to lag in fleet battles though.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:57:00 - [62] Interesting. Where would you place yourself, intelligence wise, compared to the majority of the world's population? Again - you are failing to read the words I actually typed. What I see is lots of nasty little tin pot despots appealing to "Islam" as an excuse for whatever it is they feel like doing at any given moment and as a way to invoke general anti-US/west sentiment. I see religion being used or misused as a tool to engage in rabble rousing. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Der Komissar	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:57:00 - [63] Nuke 'em.
Zamolxis Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:57:00 - [64] Linkage Protests calling for her execution.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.30 14:00:00 - [65] Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 14:06:41 Originally by: Full Impact Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: My point was, that christians are just as capable of committing horrendous acts in the name of religion as any other. Whether it has been engineered or not, they are still capable. Yes, we all know that. But they did that 100's of years ago. No, in fact they did it a few weeks ago. Linkage And that affects how many Christians or followers of Islam around the world? Quote: Interesting. Where would you place yourself, intelligence wise, compared to the majority of the world's population? Again - you are failing to read the words I actually typed. What I see is lots of nasty little tin pot despots appealing to "Islam" as an excuse for whatever it is they feel like doing at any given moment and as a way to invoke general anti-US/west sentiment. All religions do this, Islam does it the most, and to the most extreme's. That's why we get these Teddy Bear and R@pe victim stories. As far as human intelligence. I'd rather associate with people who follow their common sense and scientifically proven factual information as opposed to fabricated parables or rules & laws decreed by shaman in the names of their deities. There of course is a lot of religious followers who are more intelligent than I, but I view their belief in their religion as a flawed human trait... Some humans need drugs to cope with life, some need religion. I don't see much of a difference, both are fundamentallly flawed creatures. The protesters calling for this teachers death over a teddy bear should clue you in on how brainwashed an ignorant these particular humans are. My Current Project
Full Impact STeeLGamers	Posted - 2007.11.30 14:08:00 - [66] Originally by: DarkMatter And that affects how many Christians or followers of Islam around the world? Does it matter how many it affects? You said... Quote: Christianity doesn't suicide bomb, or look to proliferate weapons to kill infidels all around the world... Maybe they did at one time in history, but that was quite a while ago, and civilization on the whole have evolved since then, except for the Islamic states that is. I'm just saying you are wrong and that christians still have the capabilities to commit atrocious acts in the name of their religion. Just because someone being murdered doesn't affect you, it doesn't make it less of a crime. Originally by: CCP Wrangler In general we do not reimburse due to lag in fleet battles though.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.30 14:12:00 - [67] Quote: I'm just saying you are wrong and that christians still have the capabilities to commit atrocious acts in the name of their religion. Just because someone being murdered doesn't affect you, it doesn't make it less of a crime. Of course not, but this argument that because some Christians still fight amongst themselves, while the vast majority do not, and would not attack Islamic followers based on the same fundamentalism that exists in these isolated groups has no affect on the current issue in the Middle East. So a few Christians still want to kill over religion. Do we let these few control most Christian nations like Islamic fundamentalists do? No. My Current Project
Full Impact STeeLGamers	Posted - 2007.11.30 14:17:00 - [68] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: I'm just saying you are wrong and that christians still have the capabilities to commit atrocious acts in the name of their religion. Just because someone being murdered doesn't affect you, it doesn't make it less of a crime. Of course not, but this argument that because some Christians still fight amongst themselves, while the vast majority do not, and would not attack Islamic followers based on the same fundamentalism that exists in these isolated groups has no affect on the current issue in the Middle East. So a few Christians still want to kill over religion. Do we let these few control most Christian nations like Islamic fundamentalists do? No. If you're going to change your original argument then obviously I have no point. It's good that you recognise it as flawed though. Originally by: CCP Wrangler In general we do not reimburse due to lag in fleet battles though.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.30 14:22:00 - [69] Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 14:24:36 Quote: If you're going to change your original argument then obviously I have no point. It's good that you recognise it as flawed though. I'm not changing anything... If you think that there are as many Christian fundamentalists in the world, in control of nations states around the world as there are Islamic fundamentalists in control, then you're the one who's flawed. The conflict in Ireland is a zit on the ass of Christianity. The Islamic fundamentalist movement defines the whole of Islam around the world. If you can't see that, then you're not living in reality... Why don't you compare apples to apples and tell me that there is more sectarian violence within christianity than there is within Islam? Or tell me that more Christians dance in the streets when Islamic followeres die than the vice versa? I never said 100% of Christians are immune to fundamentalism, or lack the ability to kill for their religion. If you inferred that absolute, that's your error not mine. My Current Project
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.11.30 14:31:00 - [70] Both sides of that arguement have points and a grain of truth in them..... As far as my knowlege of Islam is, there is a concept called Umar or something pronounced like that, which is Islam's stated goal of a global Islamic nation. On the other hand it is one hell of a Zit that Christianity has in that case, the religion of much of Africa is Christianity right? And you will be making no freinds by playing down the Irish Trouble's in Britian, it was on the verge of a civil war according to my parent's who lived through it. The reason it wasn't declared as such was because Thatcher didn't want the UN troops in as a sighn of weakness to the world and Russia. Rate my charecters please - 2M isk for a good review for the first 3 people!!
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.30 14:35:00 - [71] Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 14:35:43 Originally by: Kirjava Both sides of that arguement have points and a grain of truth in them..... As far as my knowlege of Islam is, there is a concept called Umar or something pronounced like that, which is Islam's stated goal of a global Islamic nation. On the other hand it is one hell of a Zit that Christianity has in that case, the religion of much of Africa is Christianity right? And you will be making no freinds by playing down the Irish Trouble's in Britian, it was on the verge of a civil war according to my parent's who lived through it. The reason it wasn't declared as such was because Thatcher didn't want the UN troops in as a sighn of weakness to the world and Russia. Again, not to belittle that, it's certainly a tragedy. However, the Western-Islamic struggle affects many more people, and will continue to do so until the peace loving Islamic followers stand up to the fundamentalists and remove them as the figureheads of their religion... No amount of US bombs can make that happen... It will take strong leaders of men to make that happen. My Current Project
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.11.30 14:52:00 - [72] Said strong leader's are killed before they can do anything. The system is flawless, the strong elect new member's who are strong and follow their interpretation of Islam. Anyone who can oppose this is killed as a heretic, spreading information is also controled by the state. I would reckon that 99% of the people who can make a difference are dead before they get to the point of doing anything. In this case outside support is needed, it can be said it isn't our problem and it is too large to do anything, we can either wait and hope for the best while keeping our guns bigger than theirs to keep them in their borders or invade, breakup and remove the previous rulers. I would think that since the religion and state are so integrated, that an attack on one would be seen as an attack on the other and hence a nationalitic situation occurs and liberators are seen as oppressors from their perspective. Look at Iraq now for instance, I would like to think that it was for liberating that we went in and for a part it seems that was part of the myriad of reasons, Oil was a priority of course, spoils of war and all, but Iran will not fall until pushed. Rate my charecters please - 2M isk for a good review for the first 3 people!!
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.30 15:06:00 - [73] Quote: I would think that since the religion and state are so integrated, that an attack on one would be seen as an attack on the other and hence a nationalitic situation occurs and liberators are seen as oppressors from their perspective. Look at Iraq now for instance, I would like to think that it was for liberating that we went in and for a part it seems that was part of the myriad of reasons, Oil was a priority of course, spoils of war and all, but Iran will not fall until pushed. Iran has the best hope of coming out of the Islamic dark ages without war IMO. They seem to have the most progressive young population of any Islamic nation out there. They seem to be more resilliant to the brainwashing than other Islamic nations. With Iran, I think you definitely can take the wait and see approach. Even if you "let" them get nuclear weapons. To do that however, the West needs a strong ally in the region, that is what Iraq is for, as Saudi Arabia has failed the West time and time again... Bush knows this, and having Iraq as an asset to the West's' goals and hopes for the region is paramount. More important than any oil we get from them at a reduced price... So for the next 10-50 years while we wait for Iran to mature, we will have our 50,000 US troops as well as some other nations troops based there to keep an eye on Iran, and keep them in check. It will work, it will just take time & resolve. Many Western nations lack the resolve as they are too liberal IMO... My Current Project
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.11.30 15:22:00 - [74] Liberalism is the will of the people so it happens, thats the beauty of our system, that our policies change with the times the world enters. At the moment we have completed rebuilding after WW2, have come out the other side of the cold war and Eastern Europe being integrated back into Europe after communism. We have made our bread and eaten it, we now know how our actions can have lasting reactions so are cautious as a society today. Incidentaly, this just popped up on the BBC. Rate my charecters please - 2M isk for a good review for the first 3 people!!
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.30 15:47:00 - [75] Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 15:51:18 Quote: Liberalism is the will of the people so it happens, thats the beauty of our system, that our policies change with the times the world enters. I'm of the opinion that a "West" that is too liberal will not take the required action to bring about true change in the ME. Bush's action may very well be the last time a leader of a Western nation takes actions similar to those of times past. I sure hope his actions do bring about the Iraqi ally we will so desperately need in 50 years, because the USA is on the path to an EU type liberalism, and there is no turning back IMO. And that type of Liberalism is a doormat to Extreme Fundamentalism IMO. So let's hope Iraq becomes what many Western nations wanted Saudi Arabia to be many decades ago... If not, we can expect many more incidents like this teacher debacle to occur for many more decades to come, all over the world. My Current Project
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:06:00 - [76] Originally by: DarkMatter Bush's action may very well be the last time a leader of a Western nation takes actions similar to those of times past. I sure hope his actions do bring about the Iraqi ally we will so desperately need in 50 years, because the USA is on the path to an EU type liberalism, and there is no turning back IMO. A hope in hells chance. Bush is deluded if he thinks his actions will create an ally in the Middle East. Its alienated even the moderate states in the Middle East and pretty much most of Europe. The only people happy about it are Israel which is one of the reasons for the invasion. Secure Israel from rogue WMDs and they agreed to a new peace deal in Palestine. So the region could be stablised-ish. only problem is the Iraqis aren't that greatful and Israel only paid lip service to the new peace deal. If you saw the news at the time days after the 'victory' was announced so was the latest road map to peace. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:19:00 - [77] Quote: A hope in hells chance. Bush is deluded if he thinks his actions will create an ally in the Middle East. Its alienated even the moderate states in the Middle East and pretty much most of Europe. That's only temporary. You have to look at the big picture, which is 4-5 decades down the road. My Current Project
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:50:00 - [78] Edited by: Valan on 30/11/2007 16:53:24 We know the long term perspective. Even when you turn up in a country and give them a health service, education, railway lines and power stations eventually they rise try to kill you and kick you out. The government are keen to keep troops there because they know they're a puppet government and will be slaughtered when they leave. They're seen as an American government. People aren't going to thank us for killing millions of innocents and destroying their country. All its doing is breeding more hatred. Relations with the US and the Middle East are always going to be fraught for one reason. Israel! We (UK) get away with it a bit more as we opposed the creation of Israel. We had to pull out of Jerusalem as we were being attacked by the Jews and Arabs. We tried to forge a peace but it was never going to happen. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Captain Hudson Caldari Intergalactic Space Defense Force Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:21:00 - [79] You know, this whole thing is utterly stupid..why? . It's got nothing to do with Islam really. It is basically a Anti-Westen Govenment making a example and a statement, Sudan's version on Shira (sp?) law is not the same as other Islamic nations and the only purpose of this is to increase the tension of anti-westen and anti-islamics. If it was really that bad British Muslim Leaders would not say this is a outrage and would not be heading out there on a special mission to gain a early release for her. The Real Eve FanFest
Lord Zoran Caldari CrAzyF1sTs	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:26:00 - [80] Edited by: Lord Zoran on 30/11/2007 17:27:25 1. who the hell calls a teddy mohammed or whatever it's just asking for trouble 2. wtf? --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!! Yarr!?!?!?!?!
Thorliaron	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:32:00 - [81] Edited by: Thorliaron on 30/11/2007 17:34:22 Why is 'God with America' and why do American Christians see fit to try and control what all other christians in the west should do and say ( I.E. - the movie Golden Compass row), America also has some of the most fanatical christians i have ever seen or heard in my life and their all over the t.v aswell!, you lot did not find it first, we have a thing called a POPE to say whats right or wrong for christans. Sort your own nutjobs out at home first before you shout and cry about something that people have been perfectly happy with long before America was even a glint in Imperial Britain/Europes eye.
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:36:00 - [82] Most people who interact with Muslims on a daily basis know that they are good people and believe in peace through Islam. However, its not the peaceful ones that make headlines. Its not the peaceful ones that stage protests or condemn evil acts very loud in public. Its not the peaceful ones who come to mind of a westerner when the word "muslim" is mentioned. Oh there have been some attempts to bring their image back into good standing but very little has been done. Personally I dont think its the noise the fanatics make that scares everyone as much as the silence from the "moderates" against it. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:43:00 - [83] Originally by: DarkMatter I'm of the opinion that a "West" that is too liberal will not take the required action to bring about true change in the ME. Its not ours to change, so why the hell do people like you continue to think that your world view should be everyones world view? You say you hate government meddling in your affairs, taxing you for the good of other citizens, and yet you advocate your government to control other regions of the world and reap from thing that which you can benefit. You sir, are a hypocrit.
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:52:00 - [84] Edited by: Keorythe on 30/11/2007 17:57:10 Originally by: Thorliaron Why is 'God with America' and why do American Christians see fit to try and control what all other christians in the west should do and say ( I.E. - the movie Golden Compass row), America also has some of the most fanatical christians i have ever seen or heard in my life and their all over the t.v aswell!, you lot did not find it first, we have a thing called a POPE to say whats right or wrong for christans. Well lets see how to trash your pitiful arguement. First, like you (and every other religion or atheist) Christian groups feel that they are the right ones and everyone else is wrong. Like you and everyone else, they want to influence their ways to others. Like you and everyone else, what they say only applies to those that are willing to follow it. Like you and everyone else, the "others" are all crazy and fanatical. Jumping up on a stage and screaming "halleluya, amen pass the plate around again!!" is not being fanatical. Funny yes but fanatical no. Neither is voting against something your religion does not support. Does your brain even understand what fanaticism really constitutes? Hanging a woman because she was driving around in a car with another man is fanatical. Blowing yourself up in a market full of little old ladies is fanatical. Then there is the Pope issue. You know, that kind of group leader kind of person. The same thing as an CEO, general, president, prime minister, etc. You know, the person that directs his/her people. I'm trying to figure out how you make a group leader type to be a bad thing. This is sort of one of those things that Islam could really benefit from but their attempts to form a unified college of leaders has failed too often. Quote: who the hell calls a teddy mohammed or whatever it's just asking for trouble Mohammed is the most used name in the world, no joke. Whey NOT use it to name a teddybear? Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Lord Zoran Caldari CrAzyF1sTs	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:59:00 - [85] Quote: who the hell calls a teddy mohammed or whatever it's just asking for trouble Mohammed is the most used name in the world, no joke. Whey NOT use it to name a teddybear? because --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!! Yarr!?!?!?!?!
Thorliaron	Posted - 2007.11.30 18:03:00 - [86] Edited by: Thorliaron on 30/11/2007 18:03:50 Originally by: Keorythe Edited by: Keorythe on 30/11/2007 17:56:14 Originally by: Thorliaron Edited by: Thorliaron on 30/11/2007 17:34:22 Why is 'God with America' and why do American Christians see fit to try and control what all other christians in the west should do and say ( I.E. - the movie Golden Compass row), America also has some of the most fanatical christians i have ever seen or heard in my life and their all over the t.v aswell!, you lot did not find it first, we have a thing called a POPE to say whats right or wrong for christans. Well lets see how to trash your pitiful arguement. First, like you (and every other religion or atheist) Christian groups feel that they are the right ones and everyone else is wrong. Like you and everyone else, they want to influence their ways to others. Like you and everyone else, what they say only applies to those that are willing to follow it. Like you and everyone else, the "others" are all crazy and fanatical. Like America like to enforce their views on everyone else? Jumping up on a stage and screaming "halleluya, amen pass the plate around again!!" is not being fanatical. Funny yes but fanatical no. Neither is voting against something your religion does not support. Does your brain even understand what fanaticism really constitutes? Hanging a woman because she was driving around in a car with another man is fanatical. Blowing yourself up in a market full of little old ladies is fanatical. Not really, thats just sharia law and is not widely used, but its all you hear about. Then there is the Pope issue. You know, that kind of group leader kind of person. The same thing as an CEO, general, president, prime minister, etc. You know, the person that directs his/her people. I'm trying to figure out how you make a group leader type to be a bad thing. This is sort of one of those things that Islam could really benefit from but their attempts to form a unified college of leaders has failed too often. Blinded by the Red Mist i see, i never wrote Pope is bad Quote: who the hell calls a teddy mohammed or whatever it's just asking for trouble Mohammed is the most used name in the world, no joke. Whey NOT use it to name a teddybear.
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.30 18:17:00 - [87] Edited by: Valan on 30/11/2007 18:21:23 Originally by: Lord Zoran Quote: who the hell calls a teddy mohammed or whatever it's just asking for trouble Mohammed is the most used name in the world, no joke. Whey NOT use it to name a teddybear? because Its like one of the seven sins Idolatry. So to name someone after him is praise and guarantees heaven. But naming an object is considered as sin. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:04:00 - [88] Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 19:05:56 Why is 'God with America' and why do American Christians see fit to try and control what all other christians in the west should do and say ( I.E. - the movie Golden Compass row), America also has some of the most fanatical christians i have ever seen or heard in my life and their all over the t.v aswell!, you lot did not find it first, we have a thing called a POPE to say whats right or wrong for christans. Sort your own nutjobs out at home first before you shout and cry about something that people have been perfectly happy with long before America was even a glint in Imperial Britain/Europes eye. Difference is, the Christian nut jobs can say all they want to say to us, we're still free to choose. That's not the case in most Islamic states... You get lashed to death or your head gets cut off... Nice... And DV, it's humanity's right to change civilizations that want to kill for superfluous reasons. The USA is not the only country that wants Islamic states to change their tune, we happen to be the ONLY ones willing to do something about it. But don't fret, soon the USA will be as liberal as the EU, and we'll let the extremists walk all over us, and terrorize us and, not fight back, because we don't want to offend anyone of the Islamic faith, as it's the most peacful religion on the planet... So yeah, as long as the USA has the ability to change nations who do not conform to what we want, we're going to intervene. Don't sit here and tell me China won't be doing the same thing in ~50 years, or sooner... My Current Project
Troye Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:46:00 - [89] Originally by: Zamolxis Linkage Protests calling for her execution. Wow it really is going beyond the ridiculous now. _______________________________________________
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:57:00 - [90] Originally by: Troye Originally by: Zamolxis Linkage Protests calling for her execution. Wow it really is going beyond the ridiculous now. Naw, rediculous is when they lash a *****victim for being in the company of a non-relative when she was attacked. I think they lashed the non-relative male as well. For good measure, they should lash the judge for hearing about a non-relative female being raped. Lashings all around.
Sadismus	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:08:00 - [91] Complicated
Kel Dario Amarr Blue Sky Inc	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:40:00 - [92] Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 30/11/2007 19:23:01...load of *****s from a ignorant... No your Christians just want to start a apocalyptic war in the middle east that will bring the second coming of Christ And it was just a happy coincidence that the "rouge state" Iraq USA invaded just happen to sit on one of the biggest oil reserves in the world... Darkmatter, you must be the biggest *** I had the displeasure of reading on the eve-o forum. If you just for a few seconds could see yourself objectively without bias then you would realize that you are not much different from the so called fundamentalists in the rest of the world. You all think that "your way" is the only way and if not doing it my way then "feel my fist in your face" is the answer. I'm sure that attitude will spread love and universal understanding everywhere Darkmatter, I don't believe in any religion but if most Americans are like you then God help the world. //Kel
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:59:00 - [93] 15 yrs for a teddy bear named mohammed , i mean really ? i mean REALLY? but then again yeah it sudan ... sad country signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected]) why dont you just tell me ?
Ademaro Imre Caldari Eye of God	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:42:00 - [94] The scourge of Sharia Law should be eradicated wherever it exists. Sharia Law is what propels today's terrorism and countless human rights abuses. Unfortunately, erasing Sharia Law will not be an easy task.
Thorliaron	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:43:00 - [95] must be something in this religion lark otherwise them there **es would not of sent the SS on missions to find the Holy Grail, Spear of Christ and all that **ee
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:19:00 - [96] True religion is Amarr!! follow amarr ways or be slaves! Free Corporation website? click here Trinity Corporate Services
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:25:00 - [97] Originally by: prathe 15 yrs for a teddy bear named mohammed , i mean really ? i mean REALLY? but then again yeah it sudan ... sad country 15 DAYS, not years Originally by: ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues. Weekly quote: "No flying machine will ever fly from New York to Paris." ~Orville Wright.
Ademaro Imre Caldari Eye of God	Posted - 2007.12.01 02:52:00 - [98] I bet she will get 0 days. Rememeber, this is taking place in the Sudan. No protests take place without the government sponsoring them. his is a perfect distraction from Darfur. The government willstep in at the last minute and release the woman and the media will praise the level heads of the Sudanese government. The protestors are just taking a break from raping and murduring.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.12.01 06:05:00 - [99] Originally by: Ademaro Imre I bet she will get 0 days. Rememeber, this is taking place in the Sudan. No protests take place without the government sponsoring them. his is a perfect distraction from Darfur. The government willstep in at the last minute and release the woman and the media will praise the level heads of the Sudanese government. The protestors are just taking a break from raping and murduring. You are a pathetic little man, so quick to baseless hatred of another belief system that you'd slander them in such a way. Atleast no one will ever ask me why I don't like Americans, as its reasons are as simple as Judge Fudge is delicious.
Angela Toren Amarr Toren Shipyards	Posted - 2007.12.01 10:24:00 - [100] Muhammed would not react like the crowds and want her killed. Jesus would not react like the crowds and want her killed. Religion today is a lost cause because people today have changed it and twisted all its original good principles to suit themselves in what ever destructive and evil way they want. I really don't understand anymore _____________ Originally by: Kanye West CCP doesn't care about roleplaying people.
Multras Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.01 10:42:00 - [101] Linkage Can we please drop leaflets then glass the area in 48 hours? PLEASE? Thanks to EVE Art Store for the sig.
Nigel Sheldon	Posted - 2007.12.01 11:37:00 - [102] i haven't read all the replies to this post. but here is my two pennys worth from the POV of a brit. When you go to ANY foreign country (espiecally one with a muslim relgion) you should know the rules of the land and obey the rules of the land. If this teacher had any brains at all, she would have known that being white in a muslim world, calling ANYTHING by the name of the profit would not go down well, she was stupid and naive in the ulitmate sense! Personaly she has gotten off extremely lightly with just 15 days in prison then deportation, it could have been a LOT worse, but what is going to happen, she is going to appeal the sentance! I mean get with the program love...15 days in the clink ain't gonna kill you, especially now you have been moved to a decent one, in just over 2 weeks you will be out, and free to go home and put the whole mistake behind her...but now she will have to go through a re-trail and you can bet bottom dollar that they will drag that one out without any chance of bail....let this be a lesson learnt, you can't go around insulting over peoples religions (especially muslims) and get away with it! BTW this message is posted by someone who couldn't give a toss about religion in any form! So looking at this from a totally neutral POV. She broke the rules, she got off lightly, do the time, don't complain and she may leave with her life....
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.12.01 12:22:00 - [103] Edited by: DarkMatter on 01/12/2007 12:31:43 nvm My Current Project
Speranza Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.12.01 12:56:00 - [104] Another story "Those who say it can not be done should not interrupt the person doing it"
Nadija Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.12.01 12:57:00 - [105] Simple way to end religious conflits & stuff... out law ALL religions, cuz its all aload of c**p... I mean their all as bad as each other!! Thats why I'm an atheist Suppling razor blades to Emos everywhere since 2006Ö
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.12.01 13:10:00 - [106] Originally by: Angela Toren Muhammed would not react like the crowds and want her killed. Jesus would not react like the crowds and want her killed. Religion today is a lost cause because people today have changed it and twisted all its original good principles to suit themselves in what ever destructive and evil way they want. I really don't understand anymore That's kind of how I feel about it as well. Religion is not the cause of what's going on, it's just become an excuse for some people to try and justify their own twisted motives and convince others to do the same.
Mad Mackem MAFIA	Posted - 2007.12.01 18:20:00 - [107] Stupid thing is Britain gives 200mill worth of aid every year to Sudan. Not any more hopefully. Oh and find out where she is and send in the SAS. Job done.
Kata Dakini An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.12.01 18:31:00 - [108] I'd just like to share, that in support of British schoolteachers everywhere, I named all the beers I drank last night "Muhammed". I did this because I enjoy the fact that I live in a nation where I can name things whatever I want. For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is being standardized.
Doppler Shift Red 42	Posted - 2007.12.01 19:20:00 - [109] Originally by: Mad Mackem Stupid thing is Britain gives 200mill worth of aid every year to Sudan. Not any more hopefully. Britain doesn't give the Government of Sudan aid, it gives aid to those Sudanese citizens in Darfur suppressed by their own government for being neither Arabic nor Muslim. The hardliners in Khartoum would probably be happy to see the flow of that aid cut off as they continue their campaign of genocide. --- This is what's left of my signatu...[siggienerf][/siggienerf]
Doppler Shift Red 42	Posted - 2007.12.01 19:21:00 - [110] Originally by: Kata Dakini I'd just like to share, that in support of British schoolteachers everywhere, I named all the beers I drank last night "Muhammed". I did this because I enjoy the fact that I live in a nation where I can name things whatever I want. Heroic effort! --- This is what's left of my signatu...[siggienerf][/siggienerf]
Magnus Nordir	Posted - 2007.12.01 19:32:00 - [111] Originally by: Kata Dakini I'd just like to share, that in support of British schoolteachers everywhere, I named all the beers I drank last night "Muhammed". I did this because I enjoy the fact that I live in a nation where I can name things whatever I want. I hereby name the two steaks of pork neck I'm about to eat, "Muhammed I" and "Muhammed II", respectively. A similar naming scheme will be adopted to what's left of the said steaks once they leave my digestion system.
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.01 19:37:00 - [112] I would love to see the human race outgrow religion at some point. That would be sweet.
Bosie Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.12.01 21:02:00 - [113] Originally by: QwaarJet I would love to see the human race outgrow religion at some point. That would be sweet. That would be just around the time the penultimate human dies. "There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND
Magnus Nordir	Posted - 2007.12.01 21:49:00 - [114] Originally by: QwaarJet I would love to see the human race outgrow religion at some point. That would be sweet. Religion can positively effect a lot of people. But in the case of Islam, which involved from an instruction manual on what to do to people who won't convert to your BS, that's not the case.
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.01 23:51:00 - [115] Religion bothers me from the point of view if need to read a book that tells you how to treat other human beings instead of it being an obvious and natural instinct, then you're fundamentally evil. Hence religion is a good thing because otherwise these people who need guidance would be a nightmare to live with. Some people are however are that evil that they subvert the religion and carry out acts and actually shift the blame to the book that they've misunderstood. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Ademaro Imre Caldari Eye of God	Posted - 2007.12.02 01:14:00 - [116] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Ademaro Imre I bet she will get 0 days. Rememeber, this is taking place in the Sudan. No protests take place without the government sponsoring them. his is a perfect distraction from Darfur. The government willstep in at the last minute and release the woman and the media will praise the level heads of the Sudanese government. The protestors are just taking a break from raping and murduring. You are a pathetic little man, so quick to baseless hatred of another belief system that you'd slander them in such a way. Atleast no one will ever ask me why I don't like Americans, as its reasons are as simple as Judge Fudge is delicious. You read too much into that post. At least one person here supports Sudan's involvement in Dafur. Derovius Vaden! ha ha.
Ademaro Imre Caldari Eye of God	Posted - 2007.12.02 01:18:00 - [117] Originally by: Nigel Sheldon She broke the rules, she got off lightly, do the time, don't complain and she may leave with her life.... I don't think its as easy as your say. Living in today's world, then entering a world that still has a 7th Century mentality is a step I don't think anyone can get used to. These protests though, and the behavior of these people protesting are being allowed and encouraged by the government of Sudan.
Thorliaron	Posted - 2007.12.02 01:31:00 - [118] Originally by: Magnus Nordir Originally by: QwaarJet I would love to see the human race outgrow religion at some point. That would be sweet. Religion can positively effect a lot of people. But in the case of Islam, which involved from an instruction manual on what to do to people who won't convert to your BS, that's not the case. Is that what Fox news and Mr.Bush told you?

Pages: 1 2 3 4 :: [one page]

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.