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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:09:00 -
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http://arstechnica.com/features/2013/05/the-truth-is-out-there-six-nutty-conspiracy-theories-for-memorial-day/
conspiracy-theory #4
Quote:Tacmars
Now we get to a personal favorite conspiracy, one first learned about it in our very own OpenForum more than a decade ago. Put yourself in the place of the person responsible for planning the New World Order's takeover. You'll need to bring lots of troops with you to police and subjugate the locals, but how will they know where to go? You can't just erect road signs with "FEMA Extermination CampGÇöNEXT LEFT" on them without inducing unnecessary panic. Then, all of a sudden, you get a cunning idea. What if you could put up road signs without anyone finding out?
Obviously your New World Order's army will drive on the other side of the road to the American sheeple (presumably an invading force comprised of the British, Indians, and Japanese). Since they'll be driving on the wrong side, roadside signage will be facing away from them. Wouldn't it be wild if we put secret tactical markings (TACMARS) on the backs of these signs? Those naive fools would drive around and see directions to the freeway or speed limit, never for a minute realizing that hiding just on the other side is a code that spells out where the nearest detention facility or mass grave site is.
Presumably the officer of the New World Order who came up with such a cunning plan was rewarded with a promotion, an even more menacing black uniform and an office with a better view. One would certainly hope so, because it's a much more plausible explanation for the presence of reflective stickers on the backs of road signs in some municipalities. It's certainly more convincing than the official reason, inventory markers, to individuals like this one, who use 'a little knowledge about the placement of these codes' to enliven boring trips across the Trans Canada highway at night.
http://thespacelady.blogspot.com/2006/02/fema-quadrant-sign-codes-or-tactical.html

Guess the Doom-Sayers with the signs - 'The End Is Near' - aren't that far from the truth.
DMC |

Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:13:00 -
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ive stayed up far passed my bedtime.
To bed with me. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate |

3rr0rc0d3
Dies Irae Veniendum Est
1674
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:15:00 -
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I haz tattoo!  *happy* I make spacemusic. www.minddivided.com |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:16:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:--so. Is this a bad time to say that I've already picked out a name for my as-yet-unconceived first-born son? Phillip James.
I think I just out-Englished the new princeling. :x
Nickname: 'Pip', ftw. |

Random McNally
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
22601
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:17:00 -
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Blech.....
Just thought I'd throw that out there. Red Fed Grunt.-á Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/
UNBAN SAEDE!-á ALICE SAKI FOR OOPE MODERATOR!-á Make it so! |

3rr0rc0d3
Dies Irae Veniendum Est
1680
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:18:00 -
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Random McNally wrote:Blech.....
Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Aww  What's up, pumpkin?
I make spacemusic. www.minddivided.com |

Random McNally
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
22601
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:19:00 -
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3rr0rc0d3 wrote:I haz tattoo!  *happy* :(
I had buy orders up for sleeve tat's but decided that a set of Snakes were more interesting. Red Fed Grunt.-á Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/
UNBAN SAEDE!-á ALICE SAKI FOR OOPE MODERATOR!-á Make it so! |

Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
1450
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:19:00 -
[48008] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:http://arstechnica.com/features/2013/05/the-truth-is-out-there-six-nutty-conspiracy-theories-for-memorial-day/  Guess the Doom-Sayers with the signs - 'The End Is Near' - aren't that far from the truth. DMC
--some nutters are -impressively- nutty.
Wow. That's-- wow. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
24388
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:19:00 -
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Zimmy is lurking about. Get your Glomps ready |

Random McNally
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
22601
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:20:00 -
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3rr0rc0d3 wrote:Random McNally wrote:Blech.....
Just thought I'd throw that out there. Aww  What's up, pumpkin?
Doing building restoration over the summer. Working on the boys bathroom right now. Ewwwwwww!!! Red Fed Grunt.-á Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/
UNBAN SAEDE!-á ALICE SAKI FOR OOPE MODERATOR!-á Make it so! |

Random McNally
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
22601
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:20:00 -
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*lays in wait for Zimmy*
*prepares for NINJAGLOMP* Red Fed Grunt.-á Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/
UNBAN SAEDE!-á ALICE SAKI FOR OOPE MODERATOR!-á Make it so! |

Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
1450
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:23:00 -
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Hoo boy.
Still, best to take care of the bathroom now!
One of the local geek shops-- the bathroom has always been a little bit nasty? But it's gotten to the point that it's now as bad as a gas station bathroom. No idea how that happens, but. Ew. EW. EWEWEW. |

Random McNally
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
22601
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:25:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Hoo boy. Still, best to take care of the bathroom now! One of the local geek shops-- the bathroom has always been a little bit nasty? But it's gotten to the point that it's now as bad as a gas station bathroom.  No idea how that happens, but. Ew. EW. EWEWEW.
When your children are born, go into the school they attend at the end of the day.
Take a gander of what the boys bathroom is like.
NOW, have to scrub the thing.
Ewwwwww!!!! Red Fed Grunt.-á Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/
UNBAN SAEDE!-á ALICE SAKI FOR OOPE MODERATOR!-á Make it so! |

Eliana Eros
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3866
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:26:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:It's the fascination with a dying institution being kept alive, like the Pope and the Catholic Church. edit: It's also infused with a bit of nostalgia for how things were. Don't forget, Shakespeare even immortalized a lot of the British Royalty and it's a huge tradition that Americans just will not ever really understand. Besides, America has its own irrelevant past kept alive, especially in the South and the pining for the Confederate Days. I got so sick of bumper stickers announcing "The South is Going to do It Again !!" when I lived in Texas. The only response really was "Do what again ? LOSE ??" 
You sir are offensive. Texas never "lost" the country they were apart of collapsed. In fact if you know your history Texas won all 3 of the battles in Texas against the tyrant Yankee regime. All 3 battles were fought after the war was official over and Texas refused to believe the South surrendered until Davis confirmed it.
In addition, before you go slavery is bad [which it was] people like Abe Lincoln were pro slavery, and the amount of lives the North squandered truly was appalling. Texas also, was not the state with the most slaves, as when it had been apart of Mexico, Mexico was anti-slavery.
Furthermore, the fact that Texas fought a War against Mexico a significantly larger power for its independence prior to the U.S. agreeing to assist them coupled with its ability to boast its undefeated record during the Civil war as well as the numerous awards its brigade that left Texas won add to the persona that Texas is better than most states. Paired with its sheer land mass and the oil rush etc makes people feel like if Texas wanted to the could leave the union.
Tbh its not a pining for the "Confederacy Days" but more of recognizing their prowess as well as the notion that its better to have a president for 6 years rather than for a possible 2 terms at 4 years each, where the 1st term is largely spent attempting to become reelected. Meaning nearly 4 years wasted.
I only write this since most people that are lazy tend to take peoples "jokes" as serious. As to the bumper stickers, you must have been in Tennessee. But i grow tired of the Fish symbol that represents religion, especially when most people don't even know the story behind it.
TLDR
Its not "will do it again". Rather its "will rise again" [inspiring to former greatness is not a bad thing]. Many country's today are always aspiring to be as good or better than they are currently. Lets be friends?
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
1465
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:27:00 -
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You know. I'm increasingly liking the idea of maid service. Not, y'know, daily. Just every couple of weeks with a, "Scrub the toilets, the bathrooms, and do other cleaning things we never think of." deal.
Ohhh, if only... |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
24407
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:31:00 -
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Eliana Eros wrote:
Its not "will do it again". Rather its "will rise again" [inspiring to former greatness is not a bad thing]. Many country's today are always aspiring to be as good or better than they are currently.
Actually, those bumper stickers and associated paraphernalia are nothing but racist calling cards.
End of Story. |

Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
25622
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:36:00 -
[48017] - Quote
Sorry for taking so long guys- but that 90's buttan stole a good part of my time. Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |

3rr0rc0d3
Dies Irae Veniendum Est
1693
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:38:00 -
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Random McNally wrote:3rr0rc0d3 wrote:Random McNally wrote:Blech.....
Just thought I'd throw that out there. Aww  What's up, pumpkin? Doing building restoration over the summer. Working on the boys bathroom right now. Ewwwwwww!!!
Ah, I know the feeling unfortunately. I've been working on finishing the house I'm living in for about 6 years now, room per room. I've learned this: It's never finished.
I make spacemusic. www.minddivided.com |

Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
25622
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:38:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:The Royal Larva has a name:
George Alexander Louis
How very disappointing.
I was hoping they'd call him "Joffrey"
Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |

3rr0rc0d3
Dies Irae Veniendum Est
1693
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:39:00 -
[48020] - Quote
Zimmy Zeta wrote:Sorry for taking so long guys- but that 90's buttan stole a good part of my time.
*glomp* I make spacemusic. www.minddivided.com |

Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
1470
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:41:00 -
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Eliana;
So. Without getting into all of the politics (let's avoid that?), I have two concerns:
One, 'The South Will Rise Again' is usually associated with a reactionary mindset hearkening back to the myth of the genteel, wondrous days when the white folk lived in plantation manors and the uppity brown folk were service and could get a whippin' or a hangin' if they spoke back. While being inspired is a wonderful thing, it's sort of like the manhole covers in Rome still having SPQR emblazoned on them -- the conditions of the past no longer exist, and yearning for those olden days doesn't equip you to blaze a new path.
Two, we would never be one to say that Texas won or lost the war-- but rather, that the South lost the war. For better or worse, wars are fought by the whole political units; while skirmishes or battles may have been won by Texan fortunes, I strongly suspect that if Texas sought to stand on its own following the collapse of Lee's army, it would have suffered greatly in the coming battles. Whether the price paid by the North was too high, well-- we can look back at it now and say what we like, but at the time, the North was willing to pay that price, and so no CSA exists today.
So. Yeah. |

Eliana Eros
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3869
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:42:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Eliana Eros wrote:
Its not "will do it again". Rather its "will rise again" [inspiring to former greatness is not a bad thing]. Many country's today are always aspiring to be as good or better than they are currently.
Actually, those bumper stickers and associated paraphernalia are nothing but racist calling cards. End of Story.
Hmmm i have never had an issue with someone in this thread before. But if you so choose to pass off your comment as the only interpretation with a half hazard comment you are obviously biased and using a personal opinion rather then history/context clues/effort/etc.
Your probably part of the same lot that calls for all confederate flags that are protected by the U.S. government to be burned that honor the war dead. Missing the point that they are not banned because all they stand for is not racism.
As the U.S. does tend to ban things or force others to ban them if they deem them only instruments of hate. e.g. no Germans may have over X amount of reichsmark unless they are using them for historical purposes such as a museum or class.
Story continued? Lets be friends?
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
24412
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:47:00 -
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Eliana Eros wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Eliana Eros wrote:
Its not "will do it again". Rather its "will rise again" [inspiring to former greatness is not a bad thing]. Many country's today are always aspiring to be as good or better than they are currently.
Actually, those bumper stickers and associated paraphernalia are nothing but racist calling cards. End of Story. Hmmm i have never had an issue with someone in this thread before. But if you so choose to pass off your comment as the only interpretation with a half hazard comment you are obviously biased and using a personal opinion rather then history/context clues/effort/etc. Your probably part of the same lot that calls for all confederate flags that are protected by the U.S. government to be burned that honor the war dead. Missing the point that they are not banned because all they stand for is not racism. As the U.S. does tend to ban things or force others to ban them if they deem them only instruments of hate. e.g. no Germans may have over X amount of reichsmark unless they are using them for historical purposes such as a museum or class. Story continued?
My calling out the racist bumper stickers has absolutely nothing to do with your ridiculous political interpretations of history. Nothing whatsoever.
I was born and grew up in rural Arkansas. I know these people. That was over 40 years ago, and absolutely nothing you say here is ever going to change my mind or affect it one iota. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
24412
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:50:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:The Royal Larva has a name:
George Alexander Louis
How very disappointing. I was hoping they'd call him "Joffrey"
This is apparently a popular sentiment. It's all over Twitter atm. |

Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
25622
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:55:00 -
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Eliana Eros wrote: e.g. no Germans may have over X amount of reichsmark unless they are using them for historical purposes such as a museum or class.
hu?
http://i.imgur.com/5DszCDj.jpg
65 Million Reichsmark lying around in my flat, there must be at least another 1 Billion note somewhere that I couldn't find.
Apparently I am a public enemy and raving fascist....
 Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |

Eliana Eros
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3870
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:58:00 -
[48026] - Quote
Makoto Priano wrote:Eliana;
So. Without getting into all of the politics (let's avoid that?), I have two concerns:
One, 'The South Will Rise Again' is usually associated with a reactionary mindset hearkening back to the myth of the genteel, wondrous days when the white folk lived in plantation manors and the uppity brown folk were service and could get a whippin' or a hangin' if they spoke back. While being inspired is a wonderful thing, it's sort of like the manhole covers in Rome still having SPQR emblazoned on them -- the conditions of the past no longer exist, and yearning for those olden days doesn't equip you to blaze a new path.
Two, we would never be one to say that Texas won or lost the war-- but rather, that the South lost the war. For better or worse, wars are fought by the whole political units; while skirmishes or battles may have been won by Texan forces, I strongly suspect that if Texas sought to stand on its own following the collapse of Lee's army, it would have suffered greatly in the coming battles. Mind, I have no doubt that a dedicated core of militiamen would have given a good account of themselves -- but if the full weight of Northern industry and manpower were turned on Texas... Whether the price paid by the North was too high, well-- we can look back at it now and say what we like, but at the time, the North was willing to pay that price, and so no CSA exists today.
So. Yeah. Anyway. History. It's a thing.
I definitely believe that, as Americans, our orientation should be toward making the system work and culling those parts of it that don't, rather than scuttling it.
I can deal with this argument rather well as it is not just a one liner.
One It is true many over time have grown to associate it with a "poor" mind set. But that is because we empower it so. Lincoln is not remembered for issuing Martial Law to prevent states from freely choosing which side to be with or using families as hostages to guarantee compliance from citys thought to be loyalist to the South. Because we choose to remember the good things about him rather than how he allowed conscripting the Irish straight off the boat and sending them South as fodder or drafting the poor white people to fight the war. All i was stressing is, if we empower something to be negative it will always be negative, and i hate just seeing things negative about Texas, as i do about if someone said something bad about Liverpool etc. It generates a reaction from to at least show both sides of a stereotype.
Two Your suspicion is strongly founded and right to be so. Instead of sounding like a bleeding heart and making a counter point about if this was different etc. I am fine with this. As i was just using this as a point of why Texas can gather this sort of high power of itself. As the Op was poking fun at it. Lets be friends?
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
1473
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Posted - 2013.07.24 19:00:00 -
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Zimmy; eh. Spurious political arguments. Best ignore them. ;) |

Eliana Eros
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3870
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Posted - 2013.07.24 19:04:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Eliana Eros wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Eliana Eros wrote:
Its not "will do it again". Rather its "will rise again" [inspiring to former greatness is not a bad thing]. Many country's today are always aspiring to be as good or better than they are currently.
Actually, those bumper stickers and associated paraphernalia are nothing but racist calling cards. End of Story. Hmmm i have never had an issue with someone in this thread before. But if you so choose to pass off your comment as the only interpretation with a half hazard comment you are obviously biased and using a personal opinion rather then history/context clues/effort/etc. Your probably part of the same lot that calls for all confederate flags that are protected by the U.S. government to be burned that honor the war dead. Missing the point that they are not banned because all they stand for is not racism. As the U.S. does tend to ban things or force others to ban them if they deem them only instruments of hate. e.g. no Germans may have over X amount of reichsmark unless they are using them for historical purposes such as a museum or class. Story continued? My calling out the racist bumper stickers has absolutely nothing to do with your ridiculous political interpretations of history. Nothing whatsoever. I was born and grew up in rural Arkansas. I know these people. That was over 40 years ago, and absolutely nothing you say here is ever going to change my mind or affect it one iota.
Ridicules? Idk how it is so. If your old and refuse to learn history, its not my problem. Maybe its just the sample area you based this off as it is very different than were i grew up. I suppose we just will not ever talk Southern history again. Lets be friends?
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Eliana Eros
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3872
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Posted - 2013.07.24 19:09:00 -
[48029] - Quote
Zimmy Zeta wrote:Eliana Eros wrote: e.g. no Germans may have over X amount of reichsmark unless they are using them for historical purposes such as a museum or class.
hu? http://i.imgur.com/5DszCDj.jpg65 Million Reichsmark lying around in my flat, there must be at least another 1 Billion note somewhere that I couldn't find. Apparently I am a public enemy and raving fascist.... 
Its specifically ones from the 3rd Reich that bear the swastika on them.
@Mak
Its a great policy, which i follow mostly, but this is not a false argument. [sorry, not trying to annoy you as well] Lets be friends?
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
1475
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Posted - 2013.07.24 19:23:00 -
[48030] - Quote
Eliana Eros wrote: I can deal with this argument rather well as it is not just a one liner.
One It is true many over time have grown to associate it with a "poor" mind set. But that is because we empower it so. Lincoln is not remembered for issuing Martial Law to prevent states from freely choosing which side to be with or using families as hostages to guarantee compliance from citys thought to be loyalist to the South. Because we choose to remember the good things about him rather than how he allowed conscripting the Irish straight off the boat and sending them South as fodder or drafting the poor white people to fight the war. All i was stressing is, if we empower something to be negative it will always be negative, and i hate just seeing things negative about Texas, as i do about if someone said something bad about Liverpool etc. It generates a reaction from to at least show both sides of a stereotype.
Two Your suspicion is strongly founded and right to be so. Instead of sounding like a bleeding heart and making a counter point about if this was different etc. I am fine with this. As i was just using this as a point of why Texas can gather this sort of high power of itself. As the Op was poking fun at it.
Alright! Totally cool.
So; on one. I think we agree here, on this angle. It's very, very easy to wash historical figures, circumstances, events to simple, one-dimensional points. Part of this happens because we learn history in stages, with the narratives starting amazingly simply, and being embellished -- but when it comes down to it, we forget the embellishment in favor of the simple narrative. Conscription is something we can't stomach in the modern age of professional armies -- but it's easy to remember how terrible it was, and how it favored the wealthy by allowing them to buy their way out of conscription. Hell, we still had some of that as of the Vietnam War, when well-connected types (G.W. Bush? Clinton's draft dodging?) would end up in national guard units that wouldn't see deployment, instead of getting drafted like your average joe. It's important to remember that this applies to both sides. While, for instance, one can mythologize the South's rebellion as a battle for autonomy and freedom of self-determination, we must also remember that the major, driving point of this was defense of an institution that reduced humans to chattel, and inculcated a deep racism that we still haven't eradicated today.
Two; fair enough. Texas has a pretty remarkable history. Still, I can't help but think of part of Texas's (and the Southwest's) history as tied with American adventurism in Mexico. We've invaded them how many dozens of times? So. On the whole whitewashing thing. ;)
So, hey-- it is what it is.
As regards the Reichsmark thing-- well, I definitely don't advocate banning anything, whether it's confederate iconography, burning the US flag, or whatever else. Free expression is one of our most important rights, and sometimes it'll be uncomfortable. Sometimes, it -has- to be. Still, just as we can't and shouldn't whitewash individuals or history, we can't whitewash the associations of the symbol. Just as the guy with the big, ol' pick-'em-up truck is fully within his rights to plaster it with the stars-and-bars and gun racks, I'm within my rights to think he's probably a racist good-ol'-boy and sort of a sorry case for not applying some critical thinking to his actions. And he'd be within his rights to think that I'm stereotyping him. ;)
Anyway, I was calling it spurious because I don't think anyone here had advocated bans...? I may've missed it, of course. One of those things. |
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