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Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:57:00 - [31] Considering the Rook is a ECM ship designed for LONG range, the ability to fit a plate, amplifier, damage mod or something else (who's up for a "nano"-Rook?) surely does it better for the Rook than a Utility hi-slot? anything you can use in that hi-slot contradicts to either the long range of the ship or the lock time required to be efficient (cloak) - And if you are using this ship for PvE only you should be put to sleep for Abusing an ECM ship instead of a Cerberus... - I'm a nice guy!! MOA is NOT UGLY!!! It's A FREAK SHOW!!!!
Flurren	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:45:00 - [32] I really hope this isnt a joke because being a joke would ruin all the comedy golds.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:54:00 - [33] Wow the rooks getting an extra low instead of a high, brilliant it'll be even more evil in pve oh baby! 3 bcus and rig slots for range, and still a 7 mid slot shield tank, OMG UBAR! ...okay now back to reality...
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:02:00 - [34] Rook for PvE? Don't say stuff like that - I bet someone believes you - I'm a nice guy!! MOA is NOT UGLY!!! It's A FREAK SHOW!!!!
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.12.04 16:36:00 - [35] Edited by: Arvald on 04/12/2007 16:36:51 Originally by: Pinky Denmark Considering the Rook is a ECM ship designed for LONG range, the ability to fit a plate, amplifier, damage mod or something else (who's up for a "nano"-Rook?) ok now i HAVE to try this --------------------------- Im in your systemz scanning your moonz
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.12.04 17:23:00 - [36] Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 04/12/2007 16:36:51 Originally by: Pinky Denmark Considering the Rook is a ECM ship designed for LONG range, the ability to fit a plate, amplifier, damage mod or something else (who's up for a "nano"-Rook?) ok now i HAVE to try this yeah much more viable with the ecm cap reduction buff with the patch too
Oam Mkoll Caldari HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 17:45:00 - [37] Originally by: Feng Popo Sorry dont waste my time with PvP and nothing gets within 50km of me. LMAO are you saying you're using a RECON CRUISER with the best EW in the game for PvE? This is either a bad troll attempt or a clean winner of Ebayer of the Year Award. --- I am violence boat
Xauxau	Posted - 2007.12.04 19:36:00 - [38] Originally by: Waxau Lol. You're flying an ECM ship, with a cloak, and using missiles on it? You do realise a caracal would do a better job right? She doesn't want anything getting to close to her, remember... A Caracal won't let you have your rats targeted and under fire at just under 100km. A Cerebus will get your sensor range almost out to that distance, but it gives you 30% less CPU to work with than the Rook. I can understand where the OP is coming from. A loner. Using a cloak to avoid trouble heading out to some abandoned spot to rat in 0.0, or maybe just lowsec. Switching cloak to a salvager for extra cash if she gets the chance to dock somewhere and feels safe. I'm not saying its the most efficient playstyle, but having done similar things, there is something lots of fun about fitting a missile boat that obliterates rats before they get into range to shoot back. If you lose a high slot, the rats might get a shot or two off before you can finish them. Its not that this puts you in any real danger, its just the PRINCIPLE of the thing! They should not be able to splash their em pulses against my shields, darn it to heck!
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.04 19:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Xauxau Originally by: Waxau Lol. You're flying an ECM ship, with a cloak, and using missiles on it? You do realise a caracal would do a better job right? She doesn't want anything getting to close to her, remember... A Caracal won't let you have your rats targeted and under fire at just under 100km. A Cerebus will get your sensor range almost out to that distance, but it gives you 30% less CPU to work with than the Rook. I can understand where the OP is coming from. A loner. Using a cloak to avoid trouble heading out to some abandoned spot to rat in 0.0, or maybe just lowsec. Switching cloak to a salvager for extra cash if she gets the chance to dock somewhere and feels safe. I'm not saying its the most efficient playstyle, but having done similar things, there is something lots of fun about fitting a missile boat that obliterates rats before they get into range to shoot back. If you lose a high slot, the rats might get a shot or two off before you can finish them. Its not that this puts you in any real danger, its just the PRINCIPLE of the thing! They should not be able to splash their em pulses against my shields, darn it to heck! Caracal does the same damage, and has the same range. All that differs is the range. As for fittings....The op is moaning about losing a high and gaining a low. Caracal has the extra high, is dirt cheap, and has 4 lows. Enough for the extra sensor strength if he wants, and a cpu mod. That then leaves two lows for bcu, as he would for the rook. Only difference is that its not 60 mil, it has its original function, and wont get him laughed at by the entire community. ~Next step also is a cerb, which can have a 200km range with heavies. If you believe a rook is better, then fine. Please announce it here so folks can laugh.
Feng Popo	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:14:00 - [40] The main reason I use the rook for ratting and lvl 3, and some lvl 4 missions is that I have all the skills because of my heavy exploration skills. The lock range and many mid slots make it darn hard to kill. I love killing rat BSs with it. The high sensor rating makes unlocks a thing of the past. I tried bucking up the caracals sensor rating, but it still wasnt as good. I hardly use a cloak with the rook, the salvager fills the 5th slot. The Falcon is a much better sneaky bird. It funny how all your PK rapers are amazed some one uses EW ships for PvE. I like over kill. But then I take a stealth bomber into 4/10 plexes and use it for most level 3 missions. Guess ill see whats new with the patch, and adjust accordingly. Might have to skill up the T-2 caracal. This is not a troll post, I really do use these ships.
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:35:00 - [41] Originally by: Feng Popo The main reason I use the rook for ratting and lvl 3, and some lvl 4 missions is that I have all the skills because of my heavy exploration skills. The lock range and many mid slots make it darn hard to kill. I love killing rat BSs with it. The high sensor rating makes unlocks a thing of the past. I tried bucking up the caracals sensor rating, but it still wasnt as good. I hardly use a cloak with the rook, the salvager fills the 5th slot. The Falcon is a much better sneaky bird. It funny how all your PK rapers are amazed some one uses EW ships for PvE. I like over kill. But then I take a stealth bomber into 4/10 plexes and use it for most level 3 missions. Guess ill see whats new with the patch, and adjust accordingly. Might have to skill up the T-2 caracal. This is not a troll post, I really do use these ships. Dude - Using an EW recon ship is not overkill. It makes your life hardwork. Get a cerb and you'll see what we mean. The sensor strength is a statistic, aswell as luck based. Check the cerbs sensor strength with an eccm, and then check your rooks. They'll be pretty close. And as for tank - Even the cerb can get a better tank than the rook. Then theres the fact of bonuses. More dps and more range with the cerb. Means less chance of being jammed, and faster missions, thus more isk. The only overkill in npcing, is using large ships for small jobs, like a BS for lv 1's. Using a rook for lv 3s and 4s is making your life hard work for no reason. And ofcourse gives you a bad reputation
Shereza	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:38:00 - [42] .... I can see turning the rook into a PvE ship but I can't really see it doing L4s all that well. If the caracal's not your cup of tea have you tried the drake? It's cheaper than the rook and you only need BC3 to make an okay L4 ship out of it. If getting jammed is a problem for you either fit FoF missiles (which might not be the best thing since you can somehow "aggress" buildings by just being next to them) or get halfway decent drone skills and wait for the Trinity upgrade to let you tell them to concentrate fire so you don't need to be able to lock a target to get them all attacking the same target. They can even, eventually, take out battleships.
Oam Mkoll Caldari HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:43:00 - [43] Originally by: Feng Popo The high sensor rating makes unlocks a thing of the past. I tried bucking up the caracals sensor rating, but it still wasnt as good. You do know that the devs stated NPC ECM is purely chance-based and has nothing to do with sensor strength, right? Otherwise the new low-sensor Marauders would be the LAST type of ship anyone would ever use against Guristas and such.. --- I am violence boat
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:46:00 - [44] Omg Waxau, change that damn sig, every time i look at it i try to figure out any patterns/things in it, but i guess there are none in it Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:50:00 - [45] Edited by: madaluap on 04/12/2007 20:51:24 Originally by: Feng Popo I had a caracal for 2 days, its low sensor rating turned me off form ever using it. Im glad they made the rook better for you pack of hungry gate camping wolves. I refuse to play your game. shut down time, hope to cloak on by you in low sec, like I do all the others HAHAHHAHHAAHHA, 9/10 for trolling. Quote: It funny how all your PK rapers OMFG LOL _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:52:00 - [46] Originally by: arbalesttom Omg Waxau, change that damn sig, every time i look at it i try to figure out any patterns/things in it, but i guess there are none in it ^^ If you really cant see the image, then i guess i can be classed as an artist, as i made an optical illusion! however, i guess i have to give ccp some rights :( *Hugs his vulture camo. Shame it gets lost in the new graphics....
Karrade Krise	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:56:00 - [47] after trinity, I say we get a small gang together and go suicide gank this uber carebear in his uber leet rook... Sig locked, I will not make fun of the forum mods
Feng Popo	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:07:00 - [48] Edited by: Feng Popo on 04/12/2007 21:07:46 Originally by: Shereza .... I can see turning the rook into a PvE ship but I can't really see it doing L4s all that well. If the caracal's not your cup of tea have you tried the drake? It's cheaper than the rook and you only need BC3 to make an okay L4 ship out of it. If getting jammed is a problem for you either fit FoF missiles (which might not be the best thing since you can somehow "aggress" buildings by just being next to them) or get halfway decent drone skills and wait for the Trinity upgrade to let you tell them to concentrate fire so you don't need to be able to lock a target to get them all attacking the same target. They can even, eventually, take out battleships. Wont fly nothing bigger than a crusier, and dont like FoFs at all. Thansk for the nice post, Ill go trian for the T-2 caracal and try one out.
Feng Popo	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:12:00 - [49] Originally by: Karrade Krise after trinity, I say we get a small gang together and go suicide gank this uber carebear in his uber leet rook... See this is the bad part of EVE. You rabid dog gankers The problem your going to have is finding me. Im in my Buzzard and hulk a lot more than my rook. and thats Flaming Carebear to you.
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys Monkey Religion	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:16:00 - [50] There's so much wrong with these posts I really don't know where to start. ---------------- Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
Boomershoot Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:48:00 - [51] troll bait got engaged, darn :\| also, ppl who use rook for PVE deserve to lose the ship from an ECCM fitted merlin srsly Originally by: 'CCP Nozh' We did not expect the requests to prematurely end dear Zulupark's existence in this universe, some of which were very imaginative
General Coochie New Justice Minuit.	Posted - 2007.12.04 22:00:00 - [52] Posting in epic thread.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.04 22:02:00 - [53] Edited by: arbalesttom on 04/12/2007 22:02:35 is it my fault - again - this time? Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2007.12.04 22:33:00 - [54] I am entertained by your thread. As trolls go, it's really rather subtle. Almost to the point that I'm starting to wonder if someone _actually_ shield tanks their rook, and does PvE with it. Just in case the OP is remotely serious, I will make a brief assertion that using the rook as a cruiser sized, shield tanking missile spammer is a bad idea, when you have: The caracal, which is better at being a missile spammer, a little worse at shield tanking, and really cheap. The cerberus that's just better in every way at being a shield tanking missile spamming ship. The drake, that even if you speed and agility fit it, so it handles like a cruiser, is also a really good shield tanking missile spammer. The Rook has 3 bonuses to ECMs, and one to heavy missiles. To throw away one bonus might be considered an esoteric or otherwise interesting setup. To casually discard three of them might be considered carelessness. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? GMP and TNP
Kamen SRBI Circle 0f Two	Posted - 2007.12.05 00:50:00 - [55] Edited by: Kamen on 05/12/2007 00:50:44 Edited by: Kamen on 05/12/2007 00:50:21 Originally by: madaluap Originally by: Feng Popo ... It funny how all your PK rapers OMFG LOL Haha.. I laughed hard too ;) Ever heard of a "" Anyways, P0opoo, you should go troll some Diablo forums because in Diablo they have PK-ers and they don't have recon ships which are intended for a PvP... khm... PK-ing role. Mkay? ------------------------------------------------ (Recruiting ad) SRBI regrutuju! Dodjite na nas javni SRBI kanal.
Darkwingd Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.12.05 01:15:00 - [56] Originally by: Feng Popo Can someone tell me the logic in taking a high point off the rook and replacing with a low one. Will this be with the new ships made after the patch, or will I wake up to find my main ship I use every dang day nerfed. How is it a nerf ? Extra SDA in the low, more strength..... thats a nerf how?
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.12.05 01:29:00 - [57] Originally by: Feng Popo The main reason I use the rook for ratting and lvl 3, and some lvl 4 missions is that I have all the skills because of my heavy exploration skills. The lock range and many mid slots make it darn hard to kill. I love killing rat BSs with it. The high sensor rating makes unlocks a thing of the past. I tried bucking up the caracals sensor rating, but it still wasnt as good. I hardly use a cloak with the rook, the salvager fills the 5th slot. The Falcon is a much better sneaky bird. It funny how all your PK rapers are amazed some one uses EW ships for PvE. I like over kill. But then I take a stealth bomber into 4/10 plexes and use it for most level 3 missions. Guess ill see whats new with the patch, and adjust accordingly. Might have to skill up the T-2 caracal. This is not a troll post, I really do use these ships. npc ecm is pure percentage, does not take sensor strength into account. in any case, just check the rooks description for its bonuses. realize you are not using these bonuses. This makes your skill sps less effective? what level do you have in recon ships? cause it doesnt matter, you are getting ZERO effect from it, might as well have recon ships lvl1, as you wont notice having recon ships lvl5 looks at the cerbs description, and realize that you would use ALL FOUR of its bonuses. it has longer range, more damage, and better tank. you should be able to get into it right now for the most part. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.12.06 00:47:00 - [58] Because I haven't seen anyone say it yet. Caracal has 2 lows, not 4. Thank you
Leon 026 Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.12.06 00:49:00 - [59] Mission running in a rook.... priceless. ------- Leon 026 Once I was fallen, now I have wings
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.06 02:57:00 - [60] Insaine, foolish or a troll - I can't decide. leaning towards stupid. -----------

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